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[Q] Best way to train a brand new battery

there are alot of mixed opinions on how to properly train a brand new battery, I'm talking right out the box 5 mins ago. Some are saying let the new battery drain and then start the charging/discharging and some are saying charge it right out of the box.
Anybody have a definite answer that has worked for them? Battery life has been an issue for me in the past and i wanna get this one right. thanks guys!

I charge it right out the box then do a full discharge and charge it back up again.
I think I'm a moderate / heavy user and I still get quite good battery life. Averaging around 20 hours before I need to charge.

Orite said:
I charge it right out the box then do a full discharge and charge it back up again.
I think I'm a moderate / heavy user and I still get quite good battery life. Averaging around 20 hours before I need to charge.
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20 hours? twitter? facebook? instant messaging? texting? lol i can get almost 10hr per charge.

cdw9800 said:
20 hours? twitter? facebook? instant messaging? texting? lol i can get almost 10hr per charge.
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Backround Data > Off
GPS > Off
All I really do is
Facebook
Text
Phone calls
This was actually last night before I charged it:
55% Left
12h 34m 37s unplugged
Cellphone Standby 31%
Android System 29%
Phone idle 25%
Display 8%
Voice calls 5%
Wi-fi 2%
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It's Lithium Ion. You don't need to train it.
Android however needs to figure out how long it can run before the battery is dead. Charge it til it's full and run it down. Do that a few times and the OS should get a pretty good idea on where the battery is sitting.

-RotorDemon- said:
It's Lithium Ion. You don't need to train it.
Android however needs to figure out how long it can run before the battery is dead. Charge it til it's full and run it down. Do that a few times and the OS should get a pretty good idea on where the battery is sitting.
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yeah sorry for not being more clear, this is what I meant. not training the battery itself but the system so the battery stats are more precise

Wasn't there a special HTC-approved charging strategy that supposedly improves battery life dramatically? Was that ever debunked as BS?

Orite said:
Backround Data > Off
GPS > Off
All I really do is
Facebook
Text
Phone calls
This was actually last night before I charged it:
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you are not a heavy user then. I got about 12 hours with 2G only selected for most of the day. switched to HSPA. hspa+ 8megs killlllz my battery. I went from 70% to about 30 within a few hours just sitting in HSPA+ area and browsing and checking emails and facebooking. at about 12:30 that night i was at about 15%

greensnow said:
yeah sorry for not being more clear, this is what I meant. not training the battery itself but the system so the battery stats are more precise
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You need to delete batterystats.bin from system if you get inaccurate readings. And yes, lithium ion batteries need no training. That was the older type nickel-whatever...

-RotorDemon- said:
It's Lithium Ion. You don't need to train it.
Android however needs to figure out how long it can run before the battery is dead. Charge it til it's full and run it down. Do that a few times and the OS should get a pretty good idea on where the battery is sitting.
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So, you're basically saying we need to train the OS, not the battery, am I right?

I always gave the battery a full charge and then let it go down to 0 and finally power down before re-charging. After doing that a few times I just did whatever as far as charging goes.
I also used to charge a lot here and there through out the day. I know only charge when it's low and I know I am doing a full charge. Not sure if it makes a difference with battery health, but I feel like I notice a difference.

booloobunny said:
I always gave the battery a full charge and then let it go down to 0 and finally power down before re-charging. After doing that a few times I just did whatever as far as charging goes.
I also used to charge a lot here and there through out the day. I know only charge when it's low and I know I am doing a full charge. Not sure if it makes a difference with battery health, but I feel like I notice a difference.
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Lithium Ion batteries should not have complete discharge cycles. Keep it above 40% when you can. Charge it regularly.
http://www.batteryuniversity.com/parttwo-34.htm

well I did the Evo trick and... i'm at 12 hours off the charge and 34%... that's with web browsing, texting, gtalk, phone calls, etc.
I think the GSM Auto (PRL) has helped a bit as my "time without a signal" went from 44% to 0%.

There are too many different answers from discharge at half, charge to full then discharge, and not let it discharge below 40%.
I think we should all test and log the different techniques.
So far
44 hours with light use
21 hours with normal use
15 hours with heavy use
and what I did was discharge at half and fully charge, also I dont let it shut down by itself and turn it off at 1 %.

ThaGeNeCySt said:
well I did the Evo trick and... i'm at 12 hours off the charge and 34%... that's with web browsing, texting, gtalk, phone calls, etc.
I think the GSM Auto (PRL) has helped a bit as my "time without a signal" went from 44% to 0%.
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This has helped improve my battery life significantly.
I have also noticed my signal is more stable.
I was on WCDMA Preferred before.
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Whats the Evo trick?

[email protected] said:
Whats the Evo trick?
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You can read all about it here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=670999

Okay, I read the post and did the evo trick, from my understand it stops your phone from constantly looking for a network.
while I made the changes, am I suppose to have "use only 2G network" check or unchecked? Also my connection changes from E to H all the time with this trick, is that suppose to happen because from my understanding it should stop it from switching networks?

I just tried the GSM Auto (PRL) evo trick.. now to wait and see if this helps at all..

Whoops, I didn't mean to imply that the evo trick was the GSM Auto (PRL) setting... I was talking about this:
To also help with Battery Life you can do these steps exactly: 1) Turn your device ON and Charge the device for 8 hours or more 2) Unplug the device and Turn the phone OFF and charge for 1 hour 3) Unplug the device Turn ON wait 2 minutes and Turn OFF and charge for another hour Your battery life should almost double, we have tested this on our devices and other agents have seen a major difference as well.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=712990

Holy ****!!

omg this new update made my battery life so much better! it just died now !
24 hours 38 mins 15s since unplugged
display 8 hours 15 mins 13 s
omfg wtf!! why is it so good?

does the ota work on bell?

Wow I was gonna say... anyone can get 24 hours, but over 8 hours of display time, now THAT is impressive. What was your brightness setting? Low or auto?
lesonal said:
omg this new update made my battery life so much better! it just died now !
24 hours 38 mins 15s since unplugged
display 8 hours 15 mins 13 s
omfg wtf!! why is it so good?
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i was able to get 28+ hours with medium use on my atrix on vacation with no charger.
i could never get this on a stupid epic 4g
and my brightness was about 30%

lesonal said:
omg this new update made my battery life so much better! it just died now !
24 hours 38 mins 15s since unplugged
display 8 hours 15 mins 13 s
omfg wtf!! why is it so good?
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What were you getting before? How is the phone setup?

dinan said:
Wow I was gonna say... anyone can get 24 hours, but over 8 hours of display time, now THAT is impressive. What was your brightness setting? Low or auto?
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brightness is on auto
I don't use any apps like juice defender or anything
gps is always on
wifi is on when i'm at home- about 4 hours
I sent 432 text messages during that time period
I have me one email account on
that's it really lol I'm putting it through the same test again starting now just to verify that those stats were not an anomaly .

seh6183 said:
What were you getting before? How is the phone setup?
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before my battery would die at about 8
i'd have about 5-6 hours of display

I can't say that i've used my phone much today but it's been unplugged for 17 hours 34 minutes and it's reading 80%. Phone idle seems to be the highest thing on the list

lesonal said:
before my battery would die at about 8
i'd have about 5-6 hours of display
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This is what I'm experiencing now. Please let us know how day 2 goes!
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lesonal said:
omg this new update made my battery life so much better! it just died now !
24 hours 38 mins 15s since unplugged
display 8 hours 15 mins 13 s
omfg wtf!! why is it so good?
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I get 38 hours each charge auto brightness performance battery settings no battery saving apps debating on wether to get the update our not love the battery life of this phone and moderate usage
Swype rocks
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I'm amazed at how much people use their phones sometimes... over 400 texts in a day? At that rate, you'd use more texts in a few days than I do in a month lol.
Impressive battery life, especially considering the amount of usage. When I've had relatively heavy use, I've managed to get the phone below 10% with ~19 hours since last charge. Pretty sure I didn't have that much actual usage though.

I miss the chance i get no update although i was registered. The update sounds good. How about wifi reception?
EDIT: I got update without signing up.

I'm on a bell atrix and I'm experiencing the same results from freezing and de bluring. I previously had about 12 hours of usage. Now I'm around 17 hours and that still was at 20%. That means when the update eventually rolls out it'll be even better. Now thats what I'm talking about
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when doing the test, is your battery on performance mode or on battery saver?

BicolXpress said:
when doing the test, is your battery on performance mode or on battery saver?
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Maximum battery saver
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Anyone using UltimateJuice successfully?
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i too am amazed of the battery life after sbf'ing my phone and freezing allot of blur i did not use. i played with my phone all day yesterday, it was at 50% at 7pm. AMAZED..
love it..

Has it been confirmed when/if Bell Atrix users will be getting update? Thanks

I'm having the reverse problem. I probably get about 10 hours of use before my phone dies. I lose about 10% per hour with just playing music. Maybe my battery is screwed up.

I wish I could get the great battery life some of you report. I switched to battery saver and found the app "out of milk" was using between 56-71% cpu when completely off. Added that app to the auto end list in the factory task manager. Not sure what else I can do to improve battery life. Never gotten over 2 hours of display time and usually can't get that much.

Battery at 94 percent and says estimated life 5 hrs???

Was just wondering if anybody else had run into this. It says I'm at 94% and its showing I only have 5 hours of battery life estimated left. Can this be right? My Samsung S7 Edge has 87% and it's showing it's going to last 10 hours. I'm running 7.0 nougat also.

Uh, that statistic doesn't mean jack ****.
If I've hardly touched my phone for a few hours, it's going to say 20+ hours remaining (with the current usage), so that is completely irrelevant for almost any case.

it's the estimate based on the current use, so if you unplug the phone from the charger (100%) and use your phone for 20min and the battery go down to 94%, then the estimate will be based on that and will show ~5hour left.
so basicaly , what adsubzero said : "that statistic doesn't mean jack ****."

adsubzero said:
Uh, that statistic doesn't mean jack ****.
If I've hardly touched my phone for a few hours, it's going to say 20+ hours remaining (with the current usage), so that is completely irrelevant for almost any case.
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Uh I know it's not 100 percent accurate but thought it was odd that it should that little. Thanks for your wonderful insight.

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Uh I know it's not 100 percent accurate but thought it was odd that it should that little. Thanks for your wonderful insight.
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It's not that it isn't 100% accurate, it shouldn't ever be even considered.
It basically takes into account what have you been doing since the last full charge and tries to project the remaining battery life.
That would only be accurate if you were using the phone in the same linear behavior from 100% to 0%.
The conclusion: don't worry about that.

That's would be 5h SOT if you using it constantly until the battery drain out completely

thanhngo said:
That's would be 5h SOT if you using it constantly until the battery drain out completely
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Check the screenshot.
So this would mean I have 13h SOT left?
Nope, over the 9h I've used 40% of the battery, so it estimated that it would take 13h for the remaining 60%.
See how it draws a straight line to 0 from 100, which means it's a simple linear calculation.
If I went beast mode and started gaming it would be at 0% in 2h or less, and that is a big miscalculation which is why it shouldn't be taken seriously.

Battery Life

Hey guys,
how's your battery life going? I'm rather pleased with it so far. This is my first day with the phone on stock with no mods or special battery apps.
Can you guys recommend a battery app to restrict background leeching?
Cheers

Vaxbox said:
Hey guys,
how's your battery life going? I'm rather pleased with it so far. This is my first day with the phone on stock with no mods or special battery apps.
Can you guys recommend a battery app to restrict background leeching?
Cheers
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Screen-on time? I got on my first charge 30hrs. off the charger and 5,5 hrs. SOT with 7% left.

From 92% to 10%, with hardcore installing, making nearly 100 photos and some videos, and gaming, running tests, im get more than 4 hour SoT.
Stock OS, no mods.
Screenshots
https://imgur.com/gallery/MT1VH

Battery backup is great imo
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About 4h SOT with 15h use and 18% left.

Klanac89 said:
About 4h SOT with 15h use and 18% left.
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On wifi or 4g?

60% left, 3.2h sot, only wifi (no sim card), location on

First full cycle. Im pretty pleased with the battery. Stock rom and kernel. Magisk as root and no battery saving apps. Didnt even use battery saver once it hit 15%.
7hr sot with moderate usage. A little bit on clash of clans. quite a bit of web browsing on chrome. Used facebook, messenger, tandem and other apps quite a bit. Also used wifi 90% of the time and LTE the other

DSF said:
On wifi or 4g?
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Naw, normal day, mix (wifi and 4g).
It's about the same like 3T but I will sell it.

Very impressed with battery backup.
First charge (full) since I received the device, everything stock.
Medium to high usage over 36-38 hours, setting up, installing apps, gaming a little, videos, browsing. Mostly on WiFi, maybe a couple of hours on 4G:
15% battery remaining

After today's oxygen update my battery has gotten significantly better. It may also be a case of the battery settling in after a few days. I went from losing 30% in 2 hours idle in my pocket yesterday to losing 30% in 9 hours using it throughout work today. Color me impressed. And this is coming from the Moto Z play. A battery beast!!!

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Very impressed with battery backup.
First charge (full) since I received the device, everything stock.
Medium to high usage over 36-38 hours, setting up, installing apps, gaming a little, videos, browsing. Mostly on WiFi, maybe a couple of hours on 4G:
15% battery remaining
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How much you get for this post?

Klanac89 said:
How much you get for this post?
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So much more than tiny minds can comprehend

Show us the next time all screenshots... There is no way 8h SOT, no matter what you did.

Klanac89 said:
How much you get for this post?
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This is from yesterday. Just dropping it here

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This is from yesterday. Just dropping it here View attachment 4193754View attachment 4193755
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Daaaayyyuuummmm is all I can say

Min. screen brightness and only wifi = maybe 6h SOT.

Klanac89 said:
Min. screen brightness and only wifi = maybe 6h SOT.
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Or maybe 8 hours and 1 minute SOT

Klanac89 said:
Show us the next time all screenshots... There is no way 8h SOT, no matter what you did.
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Check this out!
All time with wifi on with probably 15-20 mins of LTE. Brightness set to 10-25%. I am so pleased with this!

Screen on time

It's amazing how much we actually use our phones in a given day, especially when we watch "videos"! Rate this thread to express how many hours of screen-on time you can get on the Honor 10 before depleting the battery.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!

First charge SOT..

On first charge I got 5.5 -6 hrs of SOT may vary after few charge cycles. Will let you know.

miststudent2011 said:
On first charge I got 5.5 -6 hrs of SOT may vary after few charge cycles. Will let you know.
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Hi any update on this ... How's the battery performance been in mixed use

Kavitam said:
Hi any update on this ... How's the battery performance been in mixed use
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On a single charge I am able to get 1.5 day usage with all time mobile data on. If I am on wifi it can last around 2 days.
SOT is almost same.

miststudent2011 said:
On a single charge I am able to get 1.5 day usage with all time mobile data on. If I am on wifi it can last around 2 days.
SOT is almost same.
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What am looking for is a phone which can last a me whole day typically 15 hourday with emails phone calls social media, an hour of streaming music on Bluetooth with good camera. Is this better in terms of battery life or OnePlus 6?

Kavitam said:
What am looking for is a phone which can last a me whole day typically 15 hourday with emails phone calls social media, an hour of streaming music on Bluetooth with good camera. Is this better in terms of battery life or OnePlus 6?
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My friend has OP6 I just enquirer about battery and he says at the end of the day around 20-30% on a moderate use which is less than honor 10

miststudent2011 said:
My friend has OP6 I just enquirer about battery and he says at the end of the day around 20-30% on a moderate use which is less than honor 10
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After 1st charge. Still has about 10% charge .. 19 hours 30 mins since last charge with over 6 hours of SOT

Kavitam said:
After 1st charge. Still has about 10% charge .. 19 hours 30 mins since last charge with over 6 hours of SOT
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Is it from default app ?
I can't find such option in mine?
Can you give me the path to that option?

miststudent2011 said:
Is it from default app ?
I can't find such option in mine?
Can you give me the path to that option?
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Go settings- battery - battery usage - hardware - screen

i get 8h sot for browSing on wifi (accubattery measurement!)

pietpietersen said:
I dont get why gsmarena says web browsing sot for moto x4 is +- correct (it says 12 but i could easily get 10 on wifi)
But for honor 10 the sot for webbrowsing also states 12h but seems more liie 6-7 indeed. (maybe its cause my battery is not calibrated yet, im still on first charge) , i hope it gets 10h on wifi.
According to gsmarena that should be possible
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Have never got over 6 hours SOT

my app (accubattery) seems to display 8 hours of SOT while browsing on wifi atm.
and not sure if its because i have turned on battery saving but past 2 days i get 9-10 hours browsing on wifi.
that seems right for a 3400 battery for it specs.

pietpietersen said:
my app (accubattery) seems to display 8 hours of SOT while browsing on wifi atm.
and not sure if its because i have turned on battery saving but past 2 days i get 9-10 hours browsing on wifi.
that seems right for a 3400 battery for it specs.
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By far the best SOT and standby time. On WiFi 99% of the time

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Kavitam said:
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By far the best SOT and standby time. On WiFi 99% of the time
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These were my accubattery measurements i think theyre faulty though.
takes a while for it to learn to measure the battery on this phone

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These are my accubattery measurements, maybe they're faulty but i think not.
took a while for it to learn to measure the battery correctly though
second pic means 5 hours+ sot at 50%
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Got about 7 + hours of SOT ..

What is approximately the SOT when using i) mobile data and ii) two SIM cards?
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I'm getting a bit more, but mostly over WiFi, ralely on data (4G), sometimes I charge the phone at night before going to sleep (10:30pm), go to sleep with my phone near to me and check it several times during the night, and it reaches 4pm with 30% of battery, so I feel like in normal situation more than 14 hours of charge and around 8 hours of use.

installed a new app for battery measurement called 3c battery widget.
according to this thing i probably get around 8 hours of sot as well. (wifi browsing brightness set not too high)

I can get max 3-4 hours SOT. 4G active all the time except when I sleep ~8 hours. GPS allowed. No wifi, not playing games at all. Using Facebook, messenger, 9gag and sometimes navigation.
Record is 2.3 hours SOT at 54% battery so with same usage I could get about 5 hours. Usually 1 SOT hour = 25% battery for me.