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I just have one question. Why does it take so long to charge from 10% to full? It takes my incredible about 2 hours and 15 minutes to charge, my moto droid 1 hour.
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Doesn't belong in the Dev. thread. As for your question.... your comparing apples to oranges. Mine takes about as long... so I don't think it's you. Probably the way the phone was designed.
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Doesn't belong in the Dev. thread. As for your question.... your comparing apples to oranges. Mine takes about as long... so I don't think it's you. Probably the way the phone was designed.
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agreed on both points, 2 hours seems pretty reasonable to charge IMO
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br125 said:
agreed on both points, 2 hours seems pretty reasonable to charge IMO
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People forget that back in the day it used to take 4 - 6 hours to charge your device, and it'd drain after about 3..... spoiled brats! LOL
Sorry I didnt mean to put the thread in the wrong place but this section seems more tech than others. Yea I figured it wasn't just my phone, I just wondering why HTC phones took longer to charge. Thanks for the help
The way Li-Ion batters are charged is not as simple as alkaline or NiMH - cell balancing, over voltage, under voltage, temp, authentication, etc.
You wouldn't want this to happen: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJCZ4ayioCU
sounds like you are the type of guy who would complain about having to put premium fuel in his ferrari. one droid and inc are 2 totally different pieces of hardware. if you had reliable data to support a claim like htc phones take longer to charge then i might believe it, but u dont so dont make that claim. i have a blackberry storm (business phone) and inc (personal) i literally almost never use the BB and if i do its for calls lasting less than 10 mins. Yea it charges faster than my inc and yea the battery lasts longer, but i do way more on the inc and that takes battery and charge away. when i used the BB for everything before i got the inc, it was the same situation. so does that mean bb take a long time to charge or the battery sucks? no
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sounds like you are the type of guy who would complain about having to put premium fuel in his ferrari. one droid and inc are 2 totally different pieces of hardware. if you had reliable data to support a claim like htc phones take longer to charge then i might believe it, but u dont so dont make that claim. i have a blackberry storm (business phone) and inc (personal) i literally almost never use the BB and if i do its for calls lasting less than 10 mins. Yea it charges faster than my inc and yea the battery lasts longer, but i do way more on the inc and that takes battery and charge away. when i used the BB for everything before i got the inc, it was the same situation. so does that mean bb take a long time to charge or the battery sucks? no
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Was that necessary? Yes he asked a question in the wrong forum, yes it was a poorly worded/thought out question but seriously? Just made yourself look like a big douche...
Just sayin'
The way you use the phone has nothing to do with how long it takes to charge. Could be different voltages for the two phones. The lower the voltage, usually the longer it takes to charge. You'd have to look at your adapters and see what the output voltage is on the Inc. vs Moto. Might answer your questions. Otherwise, it's probably how the trickle charge works differently on the two phones....
**DO NOT USE A HIGHER VOLTAGE CHARGER** !!!!
Also if you have a TON of stuff running on your phone, it could be a lot less "idle" than you think while it's charging.
I think the trick is to charge your phone at the perfect times - like while you are driving to work (especially if it's a long drive) or while asleep. Who cares how long it takes while you are asleep??
Droppin' some science!
This is just technical information for anyone that may be interested, I don't know if it will exactly "help", but it should answer the question of the post (also please keep in mind that these are two phones from two different manufacturers so even if they are running the same OS, the way they manage and consume power would be different regardless).
Motorola Droid (Stock)
Lithium-Ion Battery
1400 mAh
3.7 volts (Output)
HTC Incredible (Stock)
Lithium-Ion Battery
1300 mAh
4.2 volts (Output)
For tips on improving the battery life of an Incredible, there is a highly detailed forum post at AndroidForums.com
i wish my incredible would charge in 2 hours at 10%. My DI takes 4 hours to charge. very sad
moosc said:
i wish my incredible would charge in 2 hours at 10%. My DI takes 4 hours to charge. very sad
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Using the stock wall charger?? Don't think mine's ever taken 4 hours
Yep use the stock wall charger and data cable.
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Yep use the stock wall charger and data cable.
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You don't want to charge with the data cable. It's intended to only maintain battery life when tethered, not charge it.
aibrean said:
You don't want to charge with the data cable. It's intended to only maintain battery life when tethered, not charge it.
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well its the cable that comes in the box.
aibrean said:
You don't want to charge with the data cable. It's intended to only maintain battery life when tethered, not charge it.
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Huh?
The data cable is what comes in the box with the AC head (which has no cable but a USB connector).
I use the same data cable connected to a number of different computers, notebooks and netbook and charge all the time.
When connected to a computer, it is slower to charge, but it charges just fine.
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Huh?
The data cable is what comes in the box with the AC head (which has no cable but a USB connector).
I use the same data cable connected to a number of different computers, notebooks and netbook and charge all the time.
When connected to a computer, it is slower to charge, but it charges just fine.
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I think he means that he's using the cable with the AC head, and it takes 4 hours (as in, he's not using some off-brand charger from Radioshack, or something like that).
My DI definitely takes longer than 2 hours as well, Not sure the exact %'s, but at home today had it plugged in from when I woke up until I left for work (about 2 hours) and it seemed like it went roughly from 10% to 80% only.
dreamersipaq said:
Was that necessary? Yes he asked a question in the wrong forum, yes it was a poorly worded/thought out question but seriously? Just made yourself look like a big douche...
**DO NOT USE A HIGHER VOLTAGE CHARGER** !!!!
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All kinds of misinformation on this thread. Any charger that complies with USB standards is going to be 5V, no more no less, whether it has a microUSB tail on it, no tail, or a rat tail.
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You don't want to charge with the data cable. It's intended to only maintain battery life when tethered, not charge it.
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Huh?When connected to a computer, it is slower to charge, but it charges just fine.
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Exactly. PC/LAptop USB power is just as good as wall-power, it's just a lower amperage, something like 500mA to the AC head's 1A/1000mA. More amps means faster charge.
I believe our DI batteries are 3-cell, judging by the four terminals on the battery: 1 (+)power, 2 (+)power, 3 (+)power, 4 (-)common ground. I don't know what sort of battery the Moto Droid has but it's a motorola, so it's gonna fail soon anyway (sorry, I'm just sayin). I know the G1/Dream battery was 3-terminal, and when some went to a Seidio 2600mAh extended battery (twice as many cells), they had to charge it 8 hours when they first got it.
Obviously, turning the phone off to reduce the load on the battery, using the wall charger, and making sure you're not short-charging all the time will reduce charge times overall. Judging by the battery life I've gotten so far and what a monster this phone is compared to my G1s, I'm more than happy to wait an extra hour with the phone off, that's what Google Voice is for
well, i am new to this forum, basically an electrical Engineer and Master in Electronics, using Mobile since Last 18 years, i am an embede system programmer, dont have enough knowledge about programming Mobile phones, but i think its not that much harder then embeded systems. i have some usefull information on battery and charging your mobile phone.
if your mobile phone takes a long time to charge battery check out for following:
1: is your adopter providing enough current, try to replace the charger or check it with a friend having the same charger.
2: Remove your battery and check battery connections if they are clean ( check both sides ie phone side and and battery pads )
3: Always try to remove your charger from the Mains ( as there is circuitry inside your phone which automatically stops chrging but there are some current and voltage blocking components inside your which may become unstable within time )
4: if you have have USB charger Make sure if both sides fit properly, there must be no loosness in connections.
i recently went into a problem when my htc Desire was not getting charged even after 12 hours, i checked the charger current and voltages.
they were ok, then i just replaced the cable and now it takes max 2 hours for charging.
5: dont let your batteery go below 30%, as it will shorten the battery Life.
6: always check application which you opend but they are running in background, try to force them close, it will prevent your battery from draining fast.
7: Always try to use original charger that comes with your phone. if you think your charger is not proving enough current, and if new original charger is not available, take it to any electronic tech shop and tell them to replace Mains current limiting resistor, as its value increases within time and it passes less current.
8: if charger is broken, and original charger is not available, and if you want it to be repaired, 95% chances are that your charger's safty fuse had gone, you can open it replace it by yourself.
you can open your charger with a flate head screw driver, its normally sealed with low level bond or it may have locks which can be unlocked by screw driver or a small knife.
5 is false. The percentage of battery reported by the device is not actually the percentage of cell capacity left. Discharging a lithium based battery below its critical voltage can cause permanent damage, but even when the device reports 0%, the battery is still above its critical voltage. In fact there is still a gap left between 0% and the critical voltage to account for some discharge when not in use.
6 Properly written android apps should not be using CPU time when running in the background and therefore should only use a marginal amount of power. Not all apps will behave properly as some like to use background data and CPU and you'll notice these apps showing up on the battery usage stats. These are the apps you should FC.
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5 is false. The percentage of battery reported by the device is not actually the percentage of cell capacity left. Discharging a lithium based battery below its critical voltage can cause permanent damage, but even when the device reports 0%, the battery is still above its critical voltage. In fact there is still a gap left between 0% and the critical voltage to account for some discharge when not in use.
6 Properly written android apps should not be using CPU time when running in the background and therefore should only use a marginal amount of power. Not all apps will behave properly as some like to use background data and CPU and you'll notice these apps showing up on the battery usage stats. These are the apps you should FC.
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I am thank full to your correction, i know what you wrote is true, but what i ment was that what you said, i am taking it as original charge left in battery, not the charge what is shown in phone, i normaly check battery after removing it from the phone with a fully calibrated fluke voltmeter and with a 100 ohm half watt resistor as load and then i calculate the voltage drop across the resistor, i always check my battery on monthly basis, i will take some pics on how to check the batttery out of the phone and will post on this with details.
what i have noticed about application is that the applications that are properly installed through playstore dont use the battery as you wrote, but what i noticed is that when you install cracked application ( not all of them ) they are always running in background, 4 days ago i updated my rom installed all of my favorit application and now my Htc Desire is running for 2 and half day without charging but i do plug the charger when it shows the battery level is 30%. I will appriciate any further information.
Past "cracked" apps being against the T&C of XDA use, "what did you expect from pirated software?"
Further, any charger capable of supplying sufficient current and that supports microSD charging should work. In some cases the OEM charger can't supply sufficient current for full-rate charging.
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jeffsf said:
Past "cracked" apps being against the T&C of XDA use, "what did you expect from pirated software?"
Further, any charger capable of supplying sufficient current and that supports microSD charging should work. In some cases the OEM charger can't supply sufficient current for full-rate charging.
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You are correct regarding "Cracked" apps.
95% of the chargers other than the original one are not according to the specifications, what is writen out side i.e current and voltages are not correct. Unless you get a good charger made by a good company.
I have checked many chargers available in Market as a replcement. Its my bad habit that i always open things like these before using.
I do open the charger and check,
1: switching transformer build
2: other components like switching Transistor and filter capacitor voltage rating.
3: voltage feed back and stablization when there is load over the charger
4: check switching noise with osciloscope
what i have seen is that most of the chargers are very simple, few third rating components, and simple Zener diode for over voltage protection.
On the other hand Good Chargers have good components, Overload Protection and 2 or 3 level of output voltage protection also good Power To Noise ratio.
2 years ago I had Nokia C7-00, i forgot the its own charger at home, then i tried to charge it with the same specs like oem one, phone hanged its touch screen, i did checked 3 times and each time i connected that charger i faced the same problem.
Anyway i think we should always try to buy good replacement charger mad by a good company.
I normally keep tow or three mobile phones at a time, at the moment i have Nokia, Samsung And Htc, i found original charger always best.
But recently i saw a good looking charger in market " i mean the build was looking good from outside " i got it and opened it in my Lab.
I found good circuit Layout inside. I tried it with my Htc and results were good. But i am still using the OEM, has same specs.
So there are also good things Available in market.
I am curious: Is it real the myth that, if you let your phone to charge even after it "finished" charging will destroy the battery? Or do most of the modern phones have some sort of switch that stops the charging/current?
timotei21 said:
I am curious: Is it real the myth that, if you let your phone to charge even after it "finished" charging will destroy the battery? Or do most of the modern phones have some sort of switch that stops the charging/current?
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If you charge a lithium based battery beyond a certain voltage, it can become permanently damaged, but there is an internal system that regulates this in phones, laptops, etc. I leave my phone on the charger overnight, and haven't ever noticed depleting capacity.
i recently updated google maps from playstore from 6.12 to 6.14, what i have noticed before and now even with new update.
it consumes a lot of battery and never gives accurate location if GPS is turned off and you use only network connection to get coordinats specially while travling.
i think it does not use A-GPS or its always updataing its coordinats through GPS and getting data from the server through network connection.
i tested other applications which do use GPS but dont consume that much of Power.
May be its rendring GPU to consume more power because each time its capturing 10 km radius update when its loading complex maps and updating and using GPU ( Graphic Proccessing Unit ).
Or there is no time intervel reading GPS data.
On the other hand,
i checked GPS with sygic navigation 7 day trial ( sygic stores map data on sd-card and you can use it without a network connection )
during four hours of travel sygic just consumed 60% of battery.
Google Maps consumed 40% of battery in hour.
i think Google must consider this matter.
Phone gets too hot after one hour use.
So using google maps when you are Travling is always better only if you check your Location periodic.
Or use other Navigation systems with stored maps.
But i Like google maps " Thats a big Problem "
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I had thought that that might be true of lithium batteries nice to confirmation.
I would share this link with you:
Code:
hXXp://batteryuniversity.com/learn/article/how_to_prolong_lithium_based_batteries
(replace de X's)
I found it very good.
Oh dear, seems like leaving phone to charge all night long is not that smart...
At the same time, another thing you can do is use the app (Battery Doctor). The app allows for different charging modes, and the last one is a trickle charge which reduces power going to your phone so that it can maintain the liquidity of the electrons which is pretty darn useful and beneficial in the long run.
Funky Games said:
Oh dear, seems like leaving phone to charge all night long is not that smart...
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Why?
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Why?
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Well, unless you use a timer on the outlet to stop charging after so long, it's not a great idea because the components in the phone that protect from over-charging can fail - and that can cause everything from battery issues, to melting, to fire.
I view the over-charging protection sort of like an air-bag - it's nice that it's there, but I don't want to rely on it and use it all the time.
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Well, unless you use a timer on the outlet to stop charging after so long, it's not a great idea because the components in the phone that protect from over-charging can fail - and that can cause everything from battery issues, to melting, to fire.
I view the over-charging protection sort of like an air-bag - it's nice that it's there, but I don't want to rely on it and use it all the time.
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Batteries aren't quite that dangerous nowadays. If you go ahead and open up any phone battery you'll see it has ICs in the battery itself. In reality those are protecting the battery from over and under charging. So you really don't have much to worry about. You can go on digikey and search up hundreds of ICs for this kinda thing. Some of us at ArcDatum also do embedded software research on a bunch of ARM based boards among other things. It frankly not that dangerous to take apart these batteries. The main reason why is that all these phone batteries are actually casings with circuitry and then another case with the battery inside lol.
For reference. The new battery ICs will go to 4.2V but the older ones go to 4.1V (because that's wat the cells used to go to). Also, back in the day, the discharge curves for the batteries dropped off in voltage quicker than the more modern ones. It's also worth noting that leaving your phone plugged in forever won't do anything really other than let the battery discharge a bit then top it off when it drops below a certain point. If you wanted to be super pedantic about it...take a voltmeter and check when it's at like 4.199V lol. Yes going to 4.201V is dangerous. don't do it; the chemistry will hate you.
Cmon, lets give the credit where credit is due.
I no longer have to worry about battery charge thanks to this new fast charge thing. 45 mins after having a low battery I'm at 80%... thank god battery charging has finally progressed to this.
I use my phone for music / radio shows all day long. I can't tell you how happy I am to have this fast charge thing.. on the boat, in the car, at work at home, a 30 min charge and my phone is ready to go for HOURS!
Thank you to samsung and the note 4 for FINALLY putting a phone out there that is awesome!!
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Cmon, lets give the credit where credit is due.
I no longer have to worry about battery charge thanks to this new fast charge thing. 45 mins after having a low battery I'm at 80%... thank god battery charging has finally progressed to this.
I use my phone for music / radio shows all day long. I can't tell you how happy I am to have this fast charge thing.. on the boat, in the car, at work at home, a 30 min charge and my phone is ready to go for HOURS!
Thank you to samsung and the note 4 for FINALLY putting a phone out there that is awesome!!
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I agree but I rather swap my battery. When I get down to lets say 5% I don't have to worry about plugging it in. It takes less than a minute to go from 0% to 100% and it's less strain on the charging port and circuit. Plus if you still want to use the phone you don't have to be tethered to a cable.
+1 I love it. Swapping out the batter. LOL Not so much.
Battery swapping really sucks if you have a case on the phone. I vote for fast charging. Beautiful thing! I just need to get a fast car charger and I can charge my phone fully during my commute to work.
...and it's less strain on the charging port and circuit...
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As an electrical engineer, seeing statements like this makes me cringe. I can absolutely assure you that there is no "strain" on the charging circuit, or battery, or anything else for that matter.
The only thing I could say is, possibly, the reduced battery life span due to the additional charge cycles. But charge cycles for modern Li-ion is already really high. But even if I were to entertain the fact that the battery might need to be replaced sooner, who cares. You are buying another battery NOW, vs the possibility of buying another battery in a year or so.
As far as personal preference goes, if a spare battery is your thing, go for it. But please try not to perpetuate the idea that the fast charging circuit or battery can't handle the charging.
I'm more than happy to go over the physics and electrical theory on how charging works. You might be interested to know that in a lab setting we can get charging rates as fast as 1 minute per 1000mAh with minimal heat build up (the major hurdle in improving charging rates)
Fast charging is nothing new. A similar concept are large capacitors, like a camera flash. They charge in seconds. The major engineering challenge is controlling the discharge rate, in most cases the heat build up is limiting factor.
Don't be surprised if the note 5 charges in 0 to 100 in less than 5 min.
Fast Charging + Killer battery life = One Happy Customer
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As an electrical engineer, seeing statements like this makes me cringe. I can absolutely assure you that there is no "strain" on the charging circuit, or battery, or anything else for that matter.
The only thing I could say is, possibly, the reduced battery life span due to the additional charge cycles. But charge cycles for modern Li-ion is already really high. But even if I were to entertain the fact that the battery might need to be replaced sooner, who cares. You are buying another battery NOW, vs the possibility of buying another battery in a year or so.
As far as personal preference goes, if a spare battery is your thing, go for it. But please try not to perpetuate the idea that the fast charging circuit or battery can't handle the charging.
I'm more than happy to go over the physics and electrical theory on how charging works. You might be interested to know that in a lab setting we can get charging rates as fast as 1 minute per 1000mAh with minimal heat build up (the major hurdle in improving charging rates)
Fast charging is nothing new. A similar concept are large capacitors, like a camera flash. They charge in seconds. The major engineering challenge is controlling the discharge rate, in most cases the heat build up is limiting factor.
Don't be surprised if the note 5 charges in 0 to 100 in less than 5 min.
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i love everything about this post, btw. i'd love to know the physics and electrical theory if you ever want to share. it would probably help me to understand which is better for the phone, not that i need it right now, but i'm sure it would be beneficial to have that knowledge. i am one that is a fan of the fast charging, but i've also been looking at Samsung's spare battery charger too. the Korean Note 4 variants actually came WITH the spare battery charger (lucky ducks) but it's going for $45 ish right now on Samsung's website. might not be a bad investment at all, even though my battery life is averaging 12 - 15 hours on a singe charge.
Serinety said:
Fast charging is nothing new. A similar concept are large capacitors, like a camera flash. They charge in seconds. The major engineering challenge is controlling the discharge rate, in most cases the heat build up is limiting factor.
Don't be surprised if the note 5 charges in 0 to 100 in less than 5 min.
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This is true. I had an Energizer battery charger that could charge my AA or AAA batteries in 15 minutes. They got very hot though. This was in the 90's.
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This is true. I had an Energizer battery charger that could charge my AA or AAA batteries in 15 minutes. They got very hot though. This was in the 90's.
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I had something like this as well. Mine had a fan on it that would attempt to keep things cool. I have an Ego lawn mower that can charge the HUGE battery pack that goes in it up by 50% in 15 minutes, and it sits on a big charging base with a huge, loud fan. That's a little different than charging a cell phone battery or AA/AAA batteries.
+1 on the fast charge thing. To me, that's revolutionary.
Fast charging is awesome, but I really don't use it. My battery life is so great the it easily lasts me the whole day with moderate usage. I usually end the day with 30+% left. The fast charging is an awesome feature, but i really have no use for it.
Someone was saying having fast charging checked depletes battery quicker. Ain't that some bs?
Has anyone given any numbers as to how slow / the rate of wireless charging is on this phone? I love fast charging but I want wireless charging as well.
I agree with a couple of these posts. I have moderate use on my phone and usually end the day at 40% or higher. However, I love having spare batteries that I can just pop in and be at 100%. Just ordered 3 plus wall charger for $20 shipped. Hard to beat having 3 full charges at hand if you don't have a chance to plug in for a while.
Battery life is great on this phone........period!!!
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Has anyone given any numbers as to how slow / the rate of wireless charging is on this phone? I love fast charging but I want wireless charging as well.
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I believe most wireless chargers are 1 amp output. The stock wall charger is 2 amp so I'm guessing it would take about 2 1/2 to 3 1/2 hours to fully charge on wireless,I'm not expert though.
husker97 said:
Fast charging is awesome, but I really don't use it. My battery life is so great the it easily lasts me the whole day with moderate usage. I usually end the day with 30+% left. The fast charging is an awesome feature, but i really have no use for it.
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You'll find it helpful sooner or later trust me
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Someone was saying having fast charging checked depletes battery quicker. Ain't that some bs?
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Maybe they thought it said "fast discharging" lol
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I do not doubt the usefulness of it, and I know it will come in handy some days. It's just my normals days I have battery to spare.
I'm wondering if the heat I hear about being generated before the charging rate slows down after 50% would have any negative impact on battery life. Would there be any benefit in using my multi-port charger for overnight charges when I am not in a hurry to charge the battery?
Also, I assume that the battery doesn't have any memory, and that there's no reason to break it in, fully discharge periodically, etc. and that it's okay to charge a little or a lot regardless of the current charge state. Is that correct?
This is a question i would like to know the answer to as well
I did a slow charge last night and the battery seemed to discharge s little slower this morning fwiw, but that's not terribly scientific.
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There's already a thread for this. No, it doe not harm battery life.
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There's already a thread for this. No, it doe not harm battery life.
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Could you please point me towards that thread? I didn't locate it with a few search combinations. Thanks.
Mississip said:
I'm wondering if the heat I hear about being generated before the charging rate slows down after 50% would have any negative impact on battery life. Would there be any benefit in using my multi-port charger for overnight charges when I am not in a hurry to charge the battery?
Also, I assume that the battery doesn't have any memory, and that there's no reason to break it in, fully discharge periodically, etc. and that it's okay to charge a little or a lot regardless of the current charge state. Is that correct?
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Fast Charging Lithium = Battery damage. It's basic chemistry. The cells take mechanical damage from expanding too quickly. So, for best longevity, charge her with like a .7 to 1 amp charger.
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Fast Charging Lithium = Battery damage. It's basic chemistry. The cells take mechanical damage from expanding too quickly. So, for best longevity, charge her with like a .7 to 1 amp charger.
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wrong. the only thing that damages cells is charging beyond the voltage specifications. How fast you dump electrons in has no negative effects, its only when you put too many in that batteries get damaged.
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Fast Charging Lithium = Battery damage. It's basic chemistry. The cells take mechanical damage from expanding too quickly. So, for best longevity, charge her with like a .7 to 1 amp charger.
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Thank you. I had thought the same thing. No one had the time to give me any detailed information, so I researched. I can't post links, but the following articles are helpful and will show up first in a search for the title
'Will speed chargers kill your battery?'
'BU-401a: Fast and Ultra-fast Chargers'
A conventional phone charger can only supply the current and voltage that is safe for a battery at all charge levels. In other words, it is must use the least common denominator. Quick Charge makes this process much more active by monitoring max current, max voltage, and temperature so that it can supply more power when it is safe and less power when it is not. Quick Charge will always keep the current, voltage, and temperature within the battery's designed specifications.
In terms of battery memory effect, no, modern lithium based batteries do not have any sort of memory-like effect. This is mostly associated with older and cheaper NiCad type batteries. This is one of those things that people seem to have a really hard time moving past.
People worry far too much about babying their battery.
Assuming you are going to use the phone for ~2 years then a properly designed fast charger should have a negligible effect on battery life. After 2 years of continuous usage all bets are off whether you used a fast charger or not.
If you really want to worry about how to treat your battery then there are two things you should try not to do. Don't let the battery go all the way to 0% and let it sit like that for a year. Don't leave your phone on your dash in direct sunlight everyday. Outside of those two things there's not much you can do to change the lifetime of your battery so just use the damn thing. =P
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A conventional phone charger can only supply the current and voltage that is safe for a battery at all charge levels. In other words, it is must use the least common denominator. Quick Charge makes this process much more active by monitoring max current, max voltage, and temperature so that it can supply more power when it is safe and less power when it is not. Quick Charge will always keep the current, voltage, and temperature within the battery's designed specifications.
In terms of battery memory effect, no, modern lithium based batteries do not have any sort of memory-like effect. This is mostly associated with older and cheaper NiCad type batteries. This is one of those things that people seem to have a really hard time moving past.
People worry far too much about babying their battery.
Assuming you are going to use the phone for ~2 years then a properly designed fast charger should have a negligible effect on battery life. After 2 years of continuous usage all bets are off whether you used a fast charger or not.
If you really want to worry about how to treat your battery then there are two things you should try not to do. Don't let the battery go all the way to 0% and let it sit like that for a year. Don't leave your phone on your dash in direct sunlight everyday. Outside of those two things there's not much you can do to change the lifetime of your battery so just use the damn thing. =P
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Exactly.
dalingrin said:
A conventional phone charger can only supply the current and voltage that is safe for a battery at all charge levels. In other words, it is must use the least common denominator. Quick Charge makes this process much more active by monitoring max current, max voltage, and temperature so that it can supply more power when it is safe and less power when it is not. Quick Charge will always keep the current, voltage, and temperature within the battery's designed specifications.
In terms of battery memory effect, no, modern lithium based batteries do not have any sort of memory-like effect. This is mostly associated with older and cheaper NiCad type batteries. This is one of those things that people seem to have a really hard time moving past.
People worry far too much about babying their battery.
Assuming you are going to use the phone for ~2 years then a properly designed fast charger should have a negligible effect on battery life. After 2 years of continuous usage all bets are off whether you used a fast charger or not.
If you really want to worry about how to treat your battery then there are two things you should try not to do. Don't let the battery go all the way to 0% and let it sit like that for a year. Don't leave your phone on your dash in direct sunlight everyday. Outside of those two things there's not much you can do to change the lifetime of your battery so just use the damn thing. =P
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I had researched the topic and learned what you have stated, but I really appreciate you taking the time to write this fuller explanation. I wished to take every reasonable precaution to maximize battery life, given the battery is not easily replaced.
There have been references published claiming that charging faster (higher current) shortens overall Li-Ion battery life.
Mechanism may be related to heat.
One thing the Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 (used in the Snapdragon 808) does is increase voltage at the charger from standard USB 5V, to 9V and 12V, for higher charge rates (power) at still-moderate current (to keep heat dissipation down).
I measured 1.1 to 2.3 amps at ~9V with QC 2.0 charger on the MXPE, with the higher current measurements at lower State of Charge (SoC). Have not seen 12V yet, but I only tried it down to 45% SoC (2.3 amps at 9V), I imagine it bumps up to 12V when the battery is discharged further, nearer to complete discharge.
This charger is rated for
5V, 4A
9V, 2.22A
12V, 2.5A
20V, 1.0A
So the max power fed to the battery would be 28W (12V*2.5A).
(This is the Power Partners PEAW30-12-USB, supposedly a 30W charger. So much for integrity in advertising.)
So the current is kept to a manageable level to control heat dissipation (therefore max temperatures), from the charger to (somewhere in the phone). But I believe that at the battery itself, more rapid charging (higher power) would still require higher current, because voltages have to be limited in the battery itself, so one would think heat dissipation (> max temperatures) would still be a problem in the battery itself. Does that shorten battery life?
The answer is probably: Who cares. Because: Li-Ion batteries have a 2-3 year life in any case, regardless of their service life or even if they are not used at all. They age and exhibit substantial capacity decline over time. Discharge/charge cycles hasten the capacity decline, but the battery is only good for 2-3 years, give or take, no matter what. And since aftermarket replacement batteries are inferior, unsafe, and stale, there is no reason to try to hang on to your phone for more than 2-3 years in any case. (Especially since the "non-user-replaceable" batteries can be a pain in the a** to R&R. The Moto X Pure 2015 battery is one of those. Some phones actually incur permanent damage to seals if the battery is removed/replaced - the Kyocera Hydro Wave is this way.)
You say "but you could replace the battery with an OEM battery". There are two types of OEM Li-Ion phone batteries on the market that an individual consumer can buy retail, when their phone is 2 years old or more: Used stale batteries (look up "reverse logistics"), and "new" (i.e. not put into service yet) stale batteries. Good luck finding a fresh, new OEM Li-Ion battery for your 2 year old or older phone (out of production for at least a year).
Been down this road before. Wasted lots of time and money replacing phone batteries after 2-3 years. From now on I'm going to stop coddling phone batteries, stop replacing them after 2-3 years, and just figure on a new phone every 2-3 years. It's the only way to get a fresh, new Li-Ion phone battery. (And get the phone right when it is released, like the MXPE this month. That way you are more sure the battery is fresh.)
I think everything in the wireless phone paradigm is increasingly heading that way anyway. Everything, and I mean everything, pushes the market to a 2 year product life cycle. Batteries last 2 years. Increasingly, batteries are not made to be replaceable. Carriers are changing networks so fast you need a new phone every 2 for that alone. New OS/SW overloads hardware older than 2 years. Displays may fade over a couple years. USB connectors wear out. Just relax and go with it. Marvel at the Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 (I am). You'll be happier with a new phone every 2 years.
Sorry for the long rant.
Sorry for the kind of off topic, but it's kind of related... is it okay to use other devices with the included fast charger? I just hate having 2 micro usb chargers plugged in, when I could use just one
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Sorry for the kind of off topic, but it's kind of related... is it okay to use other devices with the included fast charger? I just hate having 2 micro usb chargers plugged in, when I could use just one
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Yes, the Moto Turbo Charger can be used with any MicroUSB charging device. It will adjust charging as needed for the individual device. Moto made the Turbo Charger, to be a single charger for all MicroUSB devices.
If the battery is kept well charged, which Turbo Charging helps to accomplish. That's better to me, than more drain and slower chargers that leave the battery more drained overall. The batteries are supposed to last longer when kept fully charged more often.
crash613 said:
Sorry for the kind of off topic, but it's kind of related... is it okay to use other devices with the included fast charger? I just hate having 2 micro usb chargers plugged in, when I could use just one
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"...since Quick Charge 2.0 is compatible and interoperable, a certified adapter can be used with a non-Quick Charge 2.0 device, though the fast charging benefits of Quick Charge 2.0 will not be available. "
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/snapdragon/quick-charge/faq
By all appearances, Motorola's "TurboPower™ Charging" is nothing more than Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0. (That's what Snapdragon 808 in the XT1575 uses.)
The third-party Qualcomm Quick Charge 2.0 chargers I bought are recognized as "Turbo" and function with the XT1575, just like the Motorola charger that came with the XT1575.
(There are a LOT of Qualcomm-certified QC 2.0 chargers for sale by third-party names. Qualcomm has been BUSY. )
To slow charge a S7, do we have to turn off fast charging from the settings and then charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
Does this hold true for Motorola's phone also which have turbo charging option?
Also how to measure battery cycles? Any credible app for the same?
billubakra said:
To slow charge a S7, do we have to turn off fast charging from the settings and then charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
Does this hold true for Motorola's phone also which have turbo charging option?
Also how to measure battery cycles? Any credible app for the same?
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Moto doesn't have the option in settings, it uses industry standard Qualcomm Quick Charge standard rather than a OS hack like Samsung (no offense)... If it is connected to a QC 2.0 charger, it will negotiate the appropriate charge rate, if it is connected to a "standard" charger it will charge normally.
I don't think you can accurately measure battery/charge cycles... even if you could it would be extremely deceiving, what would be considered a cycle? Charging at 50%, 30%, 10%, and to what point 75%, 80%, 100%? Too much room for interpretation here that could be swayed either way depending on the person/app counting it's point of view.
acejavelin said:
Moto doesn't have the option in settings, it uses industry standard Qualcomm Quick Charge standard rather than a OS hack like Samsung (no offense)... If it is connected to a QC 2.0 charger, it will negotiate the appropriate charge rate, if it is connected to a "standard" charger it will charge normally.
I don't think you can accurately measure battery/charge cycles... even if you could it would be extremely deceiving, what would be considered a cycle? Charging at 50%, 30%, 10%, and to what point 75%, 80%, 100%? Too much room for interpretation here that could be swayed either way depending on the person/app counting it's point of view.
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Thanks for replying dear. So, for S7 I have turned off fast charge, should I now charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
For Moto G, the question is the same as above.
Of the little what I have understood from various threads here is to charge the battery when it is between 20-40% to 80-90% if you want to have a good battery life. I used to do the complete opposite charge, when the battery is at say 6-7% and charge it till it is maxed. I used to do the same for my laptop, any other tip for the battery?
And I have signed your petition Brother. I hope they listen to the users.
billubakra said:
Thanks for replying dear. So, for S7 I have turned off fast charge, should I now charge via the charger that came with the phone(the so called fast charger) or should we use a charger from an old phone say SIII etc.?
For Moto G, the question is the same as above.
Of the little what I have understood from various threads here is to charge the battery when it is between 20-40% to 80-90% if you want to have a good battery life. I used to do the complete opposite charge, when the battery is at say 6-7% and charge it till it is maxed. I used to do the same for my laptop, any other tip for the battery?
And I have signed your petition Brother. I hope they listen to the users.
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Does Fast Charge hurt the battery life, no, at least not directly... heat does. Using an older style charger will avoid Quick Charging but I think that foregoing that benefit for a few more days of battery life is hardly worth it. I frequently have 30-60 minutes to charge, not 3-5 hours, so quick charge is nice, if it takes few days off the longevity of the battery so be it. Those who think it cuts the battery life by 20, 30, even 50% are wrong, that simply isn't the case because of Fast Charge itself.
The Moto G isn't an issue here, it doesn't support Quick Charge until the 4th generation, but why give up the feature?
I don't think the "rules" of charging apply as much as people think they do... I charge mine overnight and whenever it needs it during the day, if it does. There is no need to do anything special.
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Does Fast Charge hurt the battery life, no, at least not directly... heat does. Using an older style charger will avoid Quick Charging but I think that foregoing that benefit for a few more days of battery life is hardly worth it. I frequently have 30-60 minutes to charge, not 3-5 hours, so quick charge is nice, if it takes few days off the longevity of the battery so be it. Those who think it cuts the battery life by 20, 30, even 50% are wrong, that simply isn't the case because of Fast Charge itself.
The Moto G isn't an issue here, it doesn't support Quick Charge until the 4th generation, but why give up the feature?
I don't think the "rules" of charging apply as much as people think they do... I charge mine overnight and whenever it needs it during the day, if it does. There is no need to do anything special.
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Thanks for the wonderful and detailed reply. I am going to try, not stick, to slow charging to see the difference in heating of the battery. My SIII's charger 's input is 150-300VAC, 50-60 hz 0.15AA, output- 5.0V-1.0A and S7's details are input 100-240V 50-60hz 0.5A, output- 9.0V= 1.67 A or 5.0V=2.0A. Can I use the S3's charger to charge S7 after turning of fast charge or is there a voltage difference or something? G4 is at home, don't know about its details. Also in my country the battery or the replacement parts are way too expensive.
i have had the V20 for about 12 hours in which time it charged from about 50% to about 75% ... my Note would accomplish the same in about 15 minutes ... and yet the V20 is supposed to run the same type of quick charger on the same size battery ... something about this doesn't rub me the right way
yes i did use the phone and unplug it a few times etc but it still should have been much faster ...
it was connected using its own cable and charger BUT through a USB extension cord ... so then i thought maybe that's the problem - maybe i need a longer type C cable and to get rid of extension cord ... but i need to have an answer to that BEFORE buying new cables ...
so i plugged it in directly ( no extension ) and tried to see if it charges in correct mode ...
and here is where i face plant into a wall of excruciating stupidity ... every single app out there measures charging current, whereas what i really want to know is whether the charger is running at 5V standard voltage or using the quick charge 9V voltage ... amazingly there doesn't seem to be an app to show this - or is there ?
my galaxy note would simply say " adaptive quick charger connected " when plugged into quick charger but the V20 doesn't say anything like that.
accubattery app says my screen on charging rate is 760 ma and screen off is 1760 ma ... and the charger of course states 1.8 A so that's consistent ... but is that at 5V or at 9V ? the charger supports both - which one is it ?
this is killing me - so much stupidity. it shouldn't be that hard to figure out whether the phone is charging correctly or not.
anybody have an idea how i could find out whether the charger is actually stepping up to 9V without physically cutting the USB cable and using my multimeter ?
EDIT: i realized i have a kill-a-watt ( actually two of them ) and i can measure power draw from 120V outlet ... so i did that. the draw fluctuated from about 6 to 13 watt. now if we assume 90% efficiency on the charger then full power would have to draw 18 watt from outlet - clearly it never got close. on the other hand at 5V it should have maxed out at around 10 watt power draw, and it went quite a bit over that so it would seem to be using the 9V mode ...
at this point however i'm up to 90% battery and can't expect it to charge at full rate any more as some battery charging algorithms taper off above 80% or so ...
i tried with and without extension cord and noticed no difference ... also if i remember correctly my Note also charged fine over this same extension cord ... but i'm not sure
EDIT: played with turning off 2nd screen as well as shutting down device completely - this phone is crazy. power draw is all the place - at one point it went to ZERO and stayed there until i unplugged it and plugged it back in, then it would fluctuate between zero and 14 watts ...
you know back in the day i had LG Nitro HD and it had worst battery performance of any phone ever ... and this V20 seems to be living up to that legacy. WTF.
anyway, it seems the charger and the cable and extension are not to blame - it seems there is some kind of software weirdness that is resulting in very sporadic power draw ...
slow charging is one of the reasons i switched from iPhone back to Android - i expected this V20 to perform similarly ( blazing fast charging ) to the Note 4 i had before the iPhone 6S Plus ... but it's charging performance so far is almost identical to the iPhone - slow as a snail.
i already spent $80 on case and screen protector and i'm supposed to spend a bunch more on extra cables and memory card as well as sell my iPhone and at the same time i'm thinking - maybe i should just return it ? going to have to observe it for a while longer before making any decisions either way ... terrible.
The V20 is QC 3.0
The Note 5 is QC 2.0
The V20 will negotiate with a 3.0 charger to tell the charger what power it requires at that moment so power will fluctuate during charging.
this will show you which devices are 3.0 and 2.0
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
Quick charging explained
http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-3-0-explained-643053/
nest75068 said:
The V20 is QC 3.0
The Note 5 is QC 2.0
The V20 will negotiate with a 3.0 charger to tell the charger what power it requires at that moment so power will fluctuate during charging.
this will show you which devices are 3.0 and 2.0
https://www.qualcomm.com/documents/quick-charge-device-list
Quick charging explained
http://www.androidauthority.com/quick-charge-3-0-explained-643053/
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yeah it fluctuates a lot. i gave up on apps and just using Kill-a-watt now which is a physical power meter you insert into 120V outlet. it shows power draw from charger, not output, but we can assume about 90% efficiency from input to output of charger.
i let the V20 drain to 40% overnight and restarted the test today. with the extension cord it went up to 16 watt draw from outlet and stayed there - charge quickly went up to 55% then i tried without the extension cord and now its only at 11 watts. this is with both screens off. so far my conclusion is that using an extension cord makes no difference but the level of charge on the phone does impact the charging speed. you need to drain the phone to measure full charging speed.
i will continue with my testing but i am somewhat relieved. 16 watts is close to spec, in fact the spec is 16 watt but on the OUTPUT side of charger, not input, so i'm withing about 10% of spec.
i'm also a lot less nervous buying charging cables now that i verified 16 watt charging over many years old USB 2.0 extension cord ...
EDIT: wow it went from 55% to 68% while i was typing this message ! this is very different from what i saw yesterday ... it was running at 11 watts while i was typing. looks like the phone charges fast as long as it is: 1) drained and 2) left alone. if the phone is almost full and you keep playing with it the level of charge barely changes.
EDIT: at 89% charge it's now down to just 4 watts power draw from outlet ... 25% of what it was pulling at 40% charge. so far it looks like it tapers charging speed off gradually with charge level - starts early and tapers it off to almost nothing as it nears full charge ... and all the while it fluctuates with processor and screen use and probably other factors such as temperature. maybe the reason it went to 16 watts when i plugged it in the morning is that the phone was cold from not being used all night and perhaps it now warmed up so the power got tapered.
maybe i'll stop testing it - it seems to be working correctly, just not the way i originally expected it to.
overall i'm disappointed with this phone but the only phone i would trade it for is Pixel XL 128 GB Very Black which is unavailable ... so i guess i will keep it.
the phone i'm most impressed with right now is ZTE Axon 7 i got for my mother - it is shockingly good - if it wasn't for FM radio, IR Blaster, Removable Battery, Laser Autofocus, Dual Camera, Dual Screen and Nougat i would even say the ZTE Axon 7 is BETTER than V20. the main problem with ZTE is it's just not expensive enough for my ego - otherwise it is great. the screen is is super sharp, vivid and punchy, the front facing speakers are loud and crisp and then there's the 2 year warranty. i'm jealous ...
but i will stick with V20 to protect my dignity. because let's face it - if i'm out on a date i want to have the latest, most technologically advanced and most expensive phone - not the cheapest phone, even if it is just as good or better. really happy with my decision to get Axon 7 for my mom though. she loves it as well.
The way QC works is that it will charge fastest from low power until around 70-80% and then slow down A LOT to help preserve the battery. That is why you saw a high wattage and then when you got into the 80's you saw a very low wattage.
QC is mainly for you to get 40-50% of battery power in a relative short amount of time when your battery is low.
I bought a little device that measures the voltage and current of the charge. And I'm using my own Quick Charge 3.0 wall charger.
When the screen is off or powered down, it charges at 9V/1.8A max. Resulting in about 16W of power. Which is pretty much what the supplied LG charger delivers.
When the screen is on, it charges at 5V/0.5A
My QC3.0 charger is capable of up to 9V/2A and 12V/1.5A, 18W of power. The V20 doesn't seem to draw that much power. And now I'm starting to doubt the V20 is truly a QC3.0 device.
BozQ said:
I bought a little device that measures the voltage and current of the charge. And I'm using my own Quick Charge 3.0 wall charger.
When the screen is off or powered down, it charges at 9V/1.8A max. Resulting in about 16W of power. Which is pretty much what the supplied LG charger delivers.
When the screen is on, it charges at 5V/0.5A
My QC3.0 charger is capable of up to 9V/2A and 12V/1.5A, 18W of power. The V20 doesn't seem to draw that much power. And now I'm starting to doubt the V20 is truly a QC3.0 device.
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I'll grab voltage/amp reader that I have at home and test my 3 QC 3.0 chargers I have (I'll drain phone to around 20% and then test them and see how it goes) - I'm going to test with the phone off so it pulls the max and see what it ends up with
I have this at work
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RR30TK
I have this at home
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FCZACFA
And this in the car
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01CCBGR1U
g1981c said:
yeah it fluctuates a lot. i gave up on apps and just using Kill-a-watt now which is a physical power meter you insert into 120V outlet. it shows power draw from charger, not output, but we can assume about 90% efficiency from input to output of charger.
i let the V20 drain to 40% overnight and restarted the test today. with the extension cord it went up to 16 watt draw from outlet and stayed there - charge quickly went up to 55% then i tried without the extension cord and now its only at 11 watts. this is with both screens off. so far my conclusion is that using an extension cord makes no difference but the level of charge on the phone does impact the charging speed. you need to drain the phone to measure full charging speed.
i will continue with my testing but i am somewhat relieved. 16 watts is close to spec, in fact the spec is 16 watt but on the OUTPUT side of charger, not input, so i'm withing about 10% of spec.
i'm also a lot less nervous buying charging cables now that i verified 16 watt charging over many years old USB 2.0 extension cord ...
EDIT: wow it went from 55% to 68% while i was typing this message ! this is very different from what i saw yesterday ... it was running at 11 watts while i was typing. looks like the phone charges fast as long as it is: 1) drained and 2) left alone. if the phone is almost full and you keep playing with it the level of charge barely changes.
EDIT: at 89% charge it's now down to just 4 watts power draw from outlet ... 25% of what it was pulling at 40% charge. so far it looks like it tapers charging speed off gradually with charge level - starts early and tapers it off to almost nothing as it nears full charge ... and all the while it fluctuates with processor and screen use and probably other factors such as temperature. maybe the reason it went to 16 watts when i plugged it in the morning is that the phone was cold from not being used all night and perhaps it now warmed up so the power got tapered.
maybe i'll stop testing it - it seems to be working correctly, just not the way i originally expected it to.
overall i'm disappointed with this phone but the only phone i would trade it for is Pixel XL 128 GB Very Black which is unavailable ... so i guess i will keep it.
the phone i'm most impressed with right now is ZTE Axon 7 i got for my mother - it is shockingly good - if it wasn't for FM radio, IR Blaster, Removable Battery, Laser Autofocus, Dual Camera, Dual Screen and Nougat i would even say the ZTE Axon 7 is BETTER than V20. the main problem with ZTE is it's just not expensive enough for my ego - otherwise it is great. the screen is is super sharp, vivid and punchy, the front facing speakers are loud and crisp and then there's the 2 year warranty. i'm jealous ...
but i will stick with V20 to protect my dignity. because let's face it - if i'm out on a date i want to have the latest, most technologically advanced and most expensive phone - not the cheapest phone, even if it is just as good or better. really happy with my decision to get Axon 7 for my mom though. she loves it as well.
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Just smh at this whole post. I want my 5 minutes back.
Thats weird, Im using my Note 7 charger on the V20 and it charge the phone completely in less that 2 hours. In my case I always drain my phone to 3% and leave it charging up to 100%. I will check again tonight to be sure.
TempezT said:
Thats weird, Im using my Note 7 charger on the V20 and it charge the phone completely in less that 2 hours. In my case I always drain my phone to 3% and leave it charging up to 100%. I will check again tonight to be sure.
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I wouldn't drain it that low all the time unless you plan on stocking up on batteries or don't mind depleting longevity of battery quicker than usual.
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I wouldn't drain it that low all the time unless you plan on stocking up on batteries or don't mind depleting longevity of battery quicker than usual.
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Tmobile Jump on Demand ftw - I only have devices for 5-6 months tops and then get a new phone
Tested this one one when I got home.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01FCZACFA
I was getting 9.2v @ 1.67A = 15w of power. This is the max that my USB multimeter can do so it would seem that this charger is good for QC 3.0 as it did fluctuate voltage as needed.
nest75068 said:
Tmobile Jump on Demand ftw - I only have devices for 5-6 months tops and then get a new phone
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That is still wasteful use on a battery and giving the next guy a raw deal. But to each his own. I try and make everything last and more efficient so the next person feels like they are truly getting an almost lightly used phone. If I sell my note4, they're going to get a lightly used battery on top of the 3 extras, with fixed GPS and better reception and cleaned out USB port with no oxidization. Same with my HTC m8 though that was only used as daily driver for two weeks and then a DAP for trips and occasional home use. Definitely selling the m8. They are basically getting a lightly used phone and the battery should still have some good life coming out of it. And personally I think jump is overpriced leasing but I guess you can drive it like you stole it. I prefer handing down the best experience I can to the next person.
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That is still wasteful use on a battery and giving the next guy a raw deal. But to each his own. I try and make everything last and more efficient so the next person feels like they are truly getting an almost lightly used phone. If I sell my note4, they're going to get a lightly used battery on top of the 3 extras, with fixed GPS and better reception and cleaned out USB port with no oxidization. Same with my HTC m8 though that was only used as daily driver for two weeks and then a DAP for trips and occasional home use. Definitely selling the m8. They are basically getting a lightly used phone and the battery should still have some good life coming out of it. And personally I think jump is overpriced leasing but I guess you can drive it like you stole it. I prefer handing down the best experience I can to the next person.
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My devices go back to tmobile which then go back for refurbishment. With the V20 it's easy for them to just replace the battery.
And you really think they do?
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And you really think they do?
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Who knows but tbh it's not my issue at that point.
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I have this at work
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B018RR30TK
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Just tested this one at work. Phone was at 28% and I had been streaming Youtube for a good 2 hours before doing the test.
Ended up pulling 9.17v @ 1.68A = 15.40 watts (again maximum that my tester can do).
I'll be ordering a new tester that can handle up to 25A and testing again to see if I can pull the max 18watts of power that the QC 3.0 chargers says it can deliver
nest75068 said:
Just tested this one at work. Phone was at 28% and I had been streaming Youtube for a good 2 hours before doing the test.
Ended up pulling 9.17v @ 1.68A = 15.40 watts (again maximum that my tester can do).
I'll be ordering a new tester that can handle up to 25A and testing again to see if I can pull the max 18watts of power that the QC 3.0 chargers says it can deliver
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You mean 25W charger?
Which charger is that? Do share, please.
BozQ said:
You mean 25W charger?
Which charger is that? Do share, please.
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No it's a USB Mutlimeter
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J7236K2
It will support up to 30V testing and 5A (but there is no charger that I know of that can do that much lol)
nest75068 said:
No it's a USB Mutlimeter
https://www.amazon.com/dp/B01J7236K2
It will support up to 30V testing and 5A (but there is no charger that I know of that can do that much lol)
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I see.
This looks like a good device.
There are time on my v10 where I'll plug it in and it will charge at a reduced rate so I have to unplug it and plug it back it and it changes to fast charge, that's just been my experience. This is using factory plug and adapter too.
So you might want to make sure the phone says "fast charging" and not "charging".
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