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First the betamax fiasco, then the removal of the ps3 linux and backward compatibility, and now this.
Grrr lol, oh well i will still enjoy my snes phone
also before anyone says "amg sony didnt promise anything"
i found this rather interesting this post
http://talk.sonymobile.com/message/197288#197288
States that not only will ALL 2011 xperia phones get ICS but they "PROMISE" we will get it...
Wow them broken promises guess i wont be believe that crap again
And please spare me the they clearly couldnt manage it its not sonys fault...
why make that statement literaly around 3-4 days ago...
swebosdev said:
First the betamax fiasco, then the removal of the ps3 linux and backward compatibility, and now this.
Grrr lol, oh well i will still enjoy my snes phone
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To not forget that they sued George Hotz, also called GeoHot.
And then the reason why they took OtherOS-function away, they stated that it was a "security risk to not have a anti virus" and that everyone perhaps wasn't "aware" of that and yeah, everything is just lies when it comes to Sony, no wonder they have to cut down on their TV-selling and produce less number of TVs and more on.
And they don't have any nice support at all.
And what is ridiculous is that they took the most bad hardware-specs they could have found for an 2011-device for Xperia Play and the fact that Xperia Play has the most limited RAM in the 2011 Xperia-line is laughable for sure.
And they have never been that nice to us customers, and I believe this is the last nail in the coffin for me with Sony and me, it's not just working to have sale arguments that hang loose and playing with customers.
And to not forget the Playstation SDK that was in beta-stage for a long time ago that isn't stable yet, it disturbs me, the community for Playstation-certified devices was dead before it even was born as it seems according to how Sony are threating their customers as we are just a playground for their market and nothing that they see as that important.
And I have give up on Sony about that they are making improvements in their relation to the market that they are selling their products to, since I still feel that it was a bad move for Sony and their lawyers to totally turn the hacking-scene for PS3 upside down since I never had as an intention to get games for free, but I liked the feature of not have to run signed code and that you was free to do other stuff as well, and you could run Linux on it and have XBMC on it and have own themes, have a backup-manager and load the games without an ISO if you have a bunch of games for the console and everything I wanted and was given from Sony, they just took it away just like that, assuming that everybody's intention was to get everything for free.
And it's much more that I dislike about Sony, just look at this sound-curve
(From Sony Ericsson Xperia Ray compared with iPhone 3GS):
http://st.gsmarena.com/vv/reviewsimg/se-c901/gsmarena_a001.png
And it's just so many faults that Sony has done that I dislike them for, and I won't contribute with buying something more from them as a customer, since they give us products that has potential, but instead of working with that potential and take benefit of those potentials, then they instead take the potentials away and kill their own creations, time after time, and I have really liked them, and I liked their PS1, I have PLENTY of games for it, and I liked their PS2 as well and I have even more games to that, and I really liked them and was sure for having the PS2 when it was released, but then the PS3 came, my thoughts went like "It's so expensive, should I buy it or should I go for an XBOX 360" and I thought that I had to buy the PS3 since I used to like Sony's Playstation-concept, but it turned out that my bet was on the wrong machine, I should had go for the XBOX 360.
And after giving Sony their 2nd try now with a product that I thought would fall between the chairs, it turned out that I was right, and after those experiences with the whole Playstation-certification, overpriced hardware-specs and the very to late Playstation Suite SDK, that will make me not to choose Sony ever again, the focus on the customers seems to be equal with zero.
And this is just another sad chapter in Sony's history according to me.
To not forget that all the Xperia Play development-devices that Sony had at shows had an HDMI-port that could mirror the display to the TV, and was later on removed duo to, according to Sony/Sony Ericsson themselves it was laggy, well, I don't think they spooked the whole truth, since the device had the ports at other positions compared to todays devices that we have, those development devices must had another SoC, GPU, amount of RAM and more with way higher specs and I think Sony took lower performing parts with an meaning and for reasons.
Like one reason about the fact that it would had been to expensive to produce in larger scales with a good profit as well per sold device.
And yeah, I could go on like this forever, but I think it's 'nuff said, I'm no longer loyal to Sony as they have spitted me among many other customers in our faces too many times before, and yeah, I see this as an end of an book called "my life with Sony"
Dont forget what they did to graf, they went gang busters on him
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Title says enough.
We expected this kind of news, but as the article says, we already went through this heartache before when a Sony Mobile UK employee said that these devices wouldn’t get Android 4.1. Sony Mobile then came out with an official statement a few days later to say that this was an error and that they were “actively investigating Android OS upgrades for all devices”.
So yeah, it's Sony Dont.Believe being an ass again... which shouldn't be new anyway.
I'm keeping my Xperia PLAY for the next 2-3 years maybe. But when it's time for a phone change, I'm considering Samsung... or LG.
Article HERE.
Nice sony... Do you known who is going to buy yuo a new phone? Me no...
Jelly Bean is smoother than ICS, why do you do that?
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My god.
Its why cuz Gameloft, EA etc.. said that they wont support ICS/JB.
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I really can't understand how Sony and a lot of other companys, manages to completely miss the fact that updates ARE important if you wish to sell phones. How long has is been sins JB were released? How many phones are sold with JB, almost none at all. How many can be officially upgraded to JB, almost none.
Google sort this fragmentation out, I'm so glad I'm dumping my Play in 17 days, Sony are being piss heads.
Shame but can't say that I'm surprised by it, can anyone really?
I won't ever buy another Sony branded product again, short of an Xperia PLAY 2 being announced, and even then it would only be because there isn't any alternative to it.
It used to be back in day that Sony products were expensive but you were essentially buying a premium product and could expect a high level of support with it. Remember the 5yr warranties on new tvs? Needless to say, those days are gone. The prices remain high but the quality and level of support certainly hasn't.
If it isn't shoddy workmanship (PS3 YLOD, broken laptop hinges, exploding batteries) for which they will fight the consumer kicking and screaming to deny any responsibility for, then its the total abandonment of products less than a year after launch.
Long may the financial losses for this retched company continue :good:
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I can't really understand why Sony rejects to upgrade their 2011 line to JB when it's CLEAR that these phones can handle it flawlessly, as proven by the CyanogenMod and FreeXperia teams with CM10. In fact it's faster than the official ICS from Sony.
In fact I'm using CM10 as a daily ROM, though sometimes I'm quite pissed about the cam and HDMI problems due to Sony, AGAIN, not willing to support their phones neither officially nor unofficially.
Sony: If you don't want to do the job then at least release the cam and HDMI libs so others can do it!!! Sincerely: an ex-customer, as I won't be buying another phone from you.
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Shame but can't say that I'm surprised by it, can anyone really?
I won't ever buy another Sony branded product again, short of an Xperia PLAY 2 being announced, and even then it would only be because there isn't any alternative to it.
It used to be back in day that Sony products were expensive but you were essentially buying a premium product and could expect a high level of support with it. Remember the 5yr warranties on new tvs? Needless to say, those days are gone. The prices remain high but the quality and level of support certainly hasn't.
If it isn't shoddy workmanship (PS3 YLOD, broken laptop hinges, exploding batteries) for which they will fight the consumer kicking and screaming to deny any responsibility for, then its the total abandonment of products less than a year after launch.
Long may the financial losses for this retched company continue :good:
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Don't begin with your stupid anti-Sony campaign. ALL the companies do the same, they show their new mobiles as the most cool things but after one year they will be completely forgotten. We'll have to stand this until somebody understands that is stupid to lose an update while other devices will get it. Android updates should be the same for all devices!
If you name PS3, say that has been 6 years recieving software updates for example. Ah, and the yellow light of the PS3 it's not the same as the red lights of Xbox 360, so don't call it "yellow light of death". If you're gonna say something, say it right.
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Don't begin with your stupid anti-Sony campaign. ALL the companies do the same, they show their new mobiles as the most cool things but after one year they will be completely forgotten. We'll have to stand this until somebody understands that is stupid to lose an update while other devices will get it. Android updates should be the same for all devices!
If you name PS3, say that has been 6 years recieving software updates for example. Ah, and the yellow light of the PS3 it's not the same as the red lights of Xbox 360, so don't call it "yellow light of death". If you're gonna say something, say it right.
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I will post about whatever I like. It is on topic and perfectly relevant. Sorry if that offends fanboys such as yourself
Yellow light of death (YLOD) was exactly the same as the RLOD for the 360 in that when you got it, 9 times out of 10 your console was bricked. This was due to inherent fault in the design of the console which results in insufficient air flow cooling the circuit board. At least in the case of the 360 Microsoft eventually took responsibility and extended the warranty of the console to 3 years. Sony continued down the path of denying any liability and charging $150 for a repair.
More here: http://www.bbc.co.uk/blogs/watchdog/2009/09/playstation3_and_the_yellow_li.html
The "they're all at it" line is pathetic, accepting that is to accept a race to the bottom. If you wish to be treated poorly as a consumer and be willing to accept it as normal, go right ahead, but don't be surprised that other people have different ideas.
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I will post about whatever I like. It is on topic and perfectly relevant. Sorry if that offends fanboys such as yourself
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First of all, you're mixing different things, as long as the Sony responsible of Playstation is not the same Sony responsible of the Xperias (how many times i've told you this?), so it's offtopic, Playstation 3 has nothing to do here.
Second, I'm just telling you that is useless to say "I'm not gonna buy any more Sony devices" for this reason because all companies (except one or two mobiles like the Galaxy S series) do exactly the same with its devices, so don't call me fanboy because I think to be a brand-lover is as wrong as to be a brand-hater.
Sorry if you don't understand a simple thing like this, but don't insult me. Thanks.
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First of all, you're mixing different things, as long as the Sony responsible of Playstation is not the same Sony responsible of the Xperias (how many times i've told you this?), so it's offtopic, Playstation 3 has nothing to do here.
Second, I'm just telling you that is useless to say "I'm not gonna buy any more Sony devices" for this reason because all companies (except one or two mobiles like the Galaxy S series) do exactly the same with its devices, so don't call me fanboy because I think to be a brand-lover is as wrong as to be a brand-hater.
Sorry if you don't understand a simple thing like this, but don't insult me. Thanks.
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/yawn ...still talking? nvm...
This page is for people disappointed by Sony's decision to stop future updates for all 2011 Xperia devices:
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/yawn ...still talking? nvm...
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Oh, now you don't know how to answer you act is if you were ignoring me, and all after insulting me. Not surpising being from you.
Another day you could respct a bit the others when you talk.
Why doesn't rl have a button like this?
Sorry for minor disruption, continue discussion...
I'd like that Sony updates to JB all the 2011 devices but I also understand that with ICS they brought a good and reasonable support to Xperia users, well, XP excluded.
Sony is launching this year a ton of new devices and the effort needed for a stable JB release to a little part of the users is not a good deal for them. You must admit that Xperia 2011 devices is getting old so they must face that a lot of users are thinking about a new phone, others have a sim locked version and depend of the carrier and lastly there's a lot of people who don't mind about it.
And, well, how many companies are giving better update support than Sony? Most of them forget their non high end phones very quickly. Maybe Sony isn't better than them but neither is the worst.
That's what I think.
Two words.
They wont....
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i've read that on " xperia blog " and i believe that its not worth to make new thread about that .
why ?
cause that happened AS I EXPECTED
again , it remind me " X10 mini and mini pro " - " xperia play " and now ...
you know i expected this kind of BS from Sony they have made Phones more then capable of running JB But nooooooooooooo, they gota treat there loyal customers like crap.... smooth move Sony, smooth move
Ok, I was hoping for an official update by Sony, but it is also true that the 2011 series is becoming old, and Sony want to update only his last terminal; for the haters, first to talk bad of Sony look how much phone Samsung have and how much would be updated, or look to the lg phone (2x sound new?). Yes, this isn't a good thing, but remember that Sony for now is the most reliable for the update, in fact if I need to change my phone in the next 5 years I will probably buy or a nexus or another Sony phone.
Ok, I say my opinion, now ignore me and restart your childish flame
if you wanted all new updates when you boghtthis phone, then you needed to buy a High end device, and not a mid range!
http://www.forbes.com/sites/ewanspence/2015/02/18/sonys-smartphone-surrender-abandoning-the-xperia/
It was rumored, and it now looks it is true. Z4 the last one probably.
Oh nooooes! What other premium small phone will I get? I'm going to have to walk around with a manpurse to carry my next cell phone. Boooo! And forget playing ingress when I'm carrying something in the other hand (
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Yea, hopefully Xperia support lasts long enough so our phones stay updated/supported for a reasonable amount of time.
This is sad news. Sony did a good job on the Xperia line. Their hardware design is great. Their ui and menu design has been good too.
I was looking forward to the next compact.
Without a new sony Xperia compact, I'll probably get whatever the next HTC one is after the M9. Or keep my z3c as long as I can til it gets really outdated.
I really don't want go back to using a 5+ inch screen phone.
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If Sony pulls this through, it would be really a shame.
But the marketing for Xperia devices was a disaster, or should I say really non-existant, at least in Europe. So many people are not aware of the Z3 series. For most of the people it's either Apple, Samsung or (maybe) HTC. When people think about Sony phones, they still think about Sony-Ericsson phones of the 2000's...
The Z3 and Z3c got excellent reviews on nearly every tech website but it's nothing without marketing, unfortunately.
I think the Z3c has enough performance to last until 2017. I hope until then that other manufacturers realize that not everyone wants half a tablet in their pockets.
How would the support for those who have or think about for a Xperia (I'm wanting a Z3c)?
if this is true, i lose faith in humanity.
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How would the support for those who have or think about for a Xperia (I'm wanting a Z3c)?
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If I were to guess (and thats really all it is) lolipop will probably be the last major android update for the Z3 by Sony along with maybe a few bug fixes here and there.
Hardware support will probably remain the same for the next couple years at least.
I'm happy with Z3c size and battery life. Lollipop is on the way and we'll probably get 5.1, so this phone will be usable for another couple years. Might even pickup a spare for the future.
Sony mobile could turn a profit if they did their marketing homework, in the US they are hardly known, but it seems they prefer to lay down and die.
A friend asked me the other day what kind of phone I had. I told him a Sony Z3 Compact. His reply... "I didn't know Sony made phones."
Marketing FAIL...
Oh i see bad times coming. Chinese phones everywhere. *shivering*
Sony is the only company right now, which produces phones who actually attract me, except HTC maybe.
Would be really sad when they close their mobile section.
On the other side here in Germany Sony phones are quite widespread and have a high reputation and i don't know any person who doesn't know that Sony produces smartphones.
Sony has indeed failed miserably with its marketing in the US. It's almost weird to see how little the Xperia Z3 phones have been promoted after getting a ton of amazing reviews in the press last fall. Reviews like that, coupled with phenomenal battery life and waterproofing (two huge advantages over competing phones) should have been a license to print money with the Z3 models, but I've barely seen an Xperia ad anywhere and clearly there were minimal contracts with carriers. A first-year marketing student could have done a better job of promoting them than Sony.
But that seems to be Sony's overall problem. Great products, appalling marketing. When they do have a bestseller it's almost by accident. Sort of the opposite of Microsoft, which pours money into marketing crummy products (and poured money into buying Nokia only to do pretty much nothing so far).
Sad that the Xperia line might come to an end. I hope Sony can find a partner to continue... maybe just a marketing partner would help. Having lived with the Z3c for 2-3 months now I cannot imagine going back to a phone with less than 3-days battery life (for my usage) or one that's any bigger than this (perfect for one-handed operation). Those two attributes alone were the reason I gave up on Nexus/Motorola phones. Yes, the Z3c has it's flaws, as does every phone, but in this case the flaws are easily outweighed by the advantages.
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Sony has indeed failed miserably with its marketing in the US. It's almost weird to see how little the Xperia Z3 phones have been promoted after getting a ton of amazing reviews in the press last fall. Reviews like that, coupled with phenomenal battery life and waterproofing (two huge advantages over competing phones) should have been a license to print money with the Z3 models, but I've barely seen an Xperia ad anywhere and clearly there were minimal contracts with carriers. A first-year marketing student could have done a better job of promoting them than Sony.
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reminds me of Sony's handling of MiniDisc in North America. so many dumb choices and missteps along the way, like failing to capitalize on MD Data and Hi-MD, or remedying the clunkiness of proprietary NetMD before getting swept under the wave of MP3; and keeping the technology prohibitively expensive for the average consumer. and let's take a moment and remember these other Sony fails:
Betamax
DAT
MemoryStick
UMD
Satio (a touchscreen Symbian phone with a 12MP camera -- high-spec for 2009 -- with Xenon flash. phone never saw the light of day in North America, even when Symbian was the most popular mobile OS in the world, though don't get me started on Symbian's fail.)
lest we forget, at one point, pre-Xperia Sony (in partnership with Ericsson) had a super-popular Walkman phone (w810, if i'm remembering correctly), which came out about two years or so before the iPhone was released in 2007. Sony failed to innovate or anticipate the future, and were still releasing pointless multiple versions of dumb phones for a few years after.
oh, and one more: Sony was the first to come out with a music ID service on their devices -- "TrackID" via Gracenote, which is included on our phones still -- but Sony let Shazam drink all the milkshake. still remember former co-workers talking about how revolutionary the Shazam app was, years after the service was already stock on Sony phones.
so yes, there's a history of Sony failures. but i hope the Z3(c) isn't added to the list. i really dig this phone! for the record, i was also really into MD. had a Sony deck, still have two players and a couple dozen MDs (which haven't been used in a long time).
Yikes. And I just purchased a 2 year extended warranty coverage for the Z3. So if my phone dies in the next 3 year, Sony will not be able to replace it?
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Oh i see bad times coming. Chinese phones everywhere. *shivering*
Sony is the only company right now, which produces phones who actually attract me, except HTC maybe.
Would be really sad when they close their mobile section.
On the other side here in Germany Sony phones are quite widespread and have a high reputation and i don't know any person who doesn't know that Sony produces smartphones.
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http://www.uswitch.com/mobiles/news...futes_rumours_mobile_division_is_up_for_sale/
Sony Mobile chief says speculation about division sale is “completely untrue”
http://mobilesyrup.com/2015/03/03/s...ion-about-division-sale-is-completely-untrue/
LONG LIVE SONY!
So apparently the Zs are dead replaced by the newly announced Xperia X series.
There were 3 X models, none smaller than 5". Does that mean there will be no "compact" models anymore or for at least some time?
I think I'm done with Sony. Their decision making is a train wreck.
They can give is new devices with 4,6" or 4,7" devices.
Think about the performance which the compact devices have. No compact device from another manufacturer has nearly the same performance than their big brothers as from Sony!
I bought my z5c 3 days ago and i had changed from a z1c, and I didn't realize the different performance. The only change i realized is the fingerprinting sensor.
So what you want from a real compact device?
I did understand, that the X-series is "mid-to-high-end", whereas the Z will stay the "high-end" series.
(I think, the X-series does not make sense, too many devices... - just make the Z-series little cheaper ).
I'm sure they'll revisit in few years when Apple makes few more billion on the updated 5S and Sony slumps down further.
I'm by no means an Apple supporter but they seem to be the only ones that have any understanding what the market wants and how to make money...
I was telling myself I should have not bought the Z5 Compact and waited for X Performance instead, then I saw the expected price and I think Z5 Compact was a very good choice.
I really don't understand Sony's strategy at all now. Announcing new phones that won't be out for months is going to royally duck up the Z5 sales. No compact models, no phablet models. What is this X series supposed to be? Is Z6 coming at all? So many questions.
Also where's my Marshmallow? (but that's a whole other thread)
You'll have to wait more months to know this.
The XA is 5" but, based on the width, is nearly compact.
I think that Sony will launch a replacement for the Z5C at the end of the year.
Compact (one-handed) mid/hi-end phones are getting "a bit" popular. Apple is trying to launch a smaller phone (I know a lot of people who still use the small iPhone and consider the 4.7" iPhone 6/6S big). I think that Google realized that many customers didn't like the size jump from 5 to 5X. (And I didn't like the jump from GNexus or Moto X to Nexus 5 in size), so maybe we'll have some small Nexus alternatives, who knows..
In Japan, smaller phone is very demanding that's why Sony making compact and you guys will see next model again in future no worry. Z1c and Z3c even beat the sales of IP5s in Japan.
Sony has stated that z serieswas phase from sony ericsson to Sony. Now x series is their new series that will be their top line.
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I really don't understand Sony's strategy at all now. Announcing new phones that won't be out for months is going to royally duck up the Z5 sales. No compact models, no phablet models. What is this X series supposed to be? Is Z6 coming at all? So many questions.
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There will be no Z6
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Sony...ew-X-series-will-replace-the-Z-series_id78726
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Well I guess that just makes our z5c that extra bit special
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You'll have to wait more months to know this.
The XA is 5" but, based on the width, is nearly compact.
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But the Xperia XA is based on the budget Mediatek P10 SOC. Unless they put a high-end SOC in a compact phone I wouldn't consider it an alternative to the Z compact-series!
I hope they have something else coming. Otherwise I guess I'll have to stick with my current phone for a while longer than planned.
Sony fooled me once with the Xperia S and now with the Z5C (that I have kept in a box waiting for the FW update). They will never fool me again, that's for sure.
What was wrong with the XPERIA S? I LOVED that phone. Camera was a bit naff but everything was good. I especially liked the transparent LED strip at the bottom.
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What was wrong with the XPERIA S? I LOVED that phone. Camera was a bit naff but everything was good. I especially liked the transparent LED strip at the bottom.
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As you said, the camera, and the lack of updates, same as for the Z5C.
Was a smidgen close to buying the z5c again after trying and not liking the 5x. Glad I didn't. Support will be dead imo. I'm going for the new iphone se. Only new small high end phone incoming. I know most here don't care but it is rumoured to have the a9/m9 processors, hopefully 2gb ram, 12mp Camara, touch Id ect. Basically a high end 4 incher. Been using my son's old iphone 5 for the last couple weeks and I'm kind of loving it. Yeah I know, you'd never go to Apple no matter what. Ha well if Sony had their crap together, I wouldn't have been persuaded by another manufacturer.
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What was wrong with the XPERIA S? I LOVED that phone. Camera was a bit naff but everything was good. I especially liked the transparent LED strip at the bottom.
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I was a XS white user and that one no doubt more beautiful than my Z5c... lol
@weasel is right. Sony was the best manufacturer that prided performance in the compact lineup vs offering us a Mini. This has changed due to lack of sales cause they don't believe in lining pockets of reviews some 3 yrs ago to win the market and bait clicks on every Sony news. They pass HUGE dollars to bolster security leak and paid employees that sued them due to that security leak.
Their ensuring manufacturing costs don't explode with the higher US dollar which also affects profits in Europe and the UK!! Look at current currency exchange rates then tarrifs this hurts profits!
Sony is on a path to offer a sort of luxury lineup at the mid range with acceptable performance without heavy R&D which translates into more profits from revenues to fund a better Z series replacement at the high end luxury scale. Sony can test the waters with the X series (which is NOT the first time this existed, recall the X1 that was a beauty but built by HTC) this allows the Z lineup to continue selling, while they stop manufacturing in early May, empty out the distribution channels and complete revenues for that target market I'm happy to buy 2 Xperia Z5C's to hold me back until a real luxury compact suits my needs from Sony. Then the X lineup is introduced, if it fails no major cost to Sony. If it takes they may be able to release a new series with a name not a letter. Sony is running out of letters X is now repeated in 5yrs, M, S, Z, T, U, not much left that doesn't sound weird.
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"I did understand, that the X-series is "mid-to-high-end", whereas the Z will stay the "high-end" series.
(I think, the X-series does not make sense, too many devices... - just make the Z-series little cheaper  )." the Z series will have a price cut soon. But that's retail look for cheaper quality enjoyed Z's to keep you running. MARSHMALLOW DELAY is annoying BUT I'd rather NOT have Android Memory sharing like LG did with the G5!! I paid for my MicroSD I own it not Android! So don't for it on anyone. Samsung learner this with the SGS7 so I'm inclined to think Sony will too.
@josie I seem to recall the Xperia S had a few updates to Kitkat thus well supported. Not sure about camera woes though you may need to elaborate in full.
Sony already gave a statement saying the Z line is no more. I think it's a REALLY terrible idea, but they know better I guess.
It's possible they maybe working on something better b
So I’ll start with admitting that I’m a huge Sony fan and maybe even a fanboy. However at the same time I’m smart and don’t like being taken for a ride. Almost all electronics in my house are made by Sony. I have Sony TV, Sony radio, PlayStation (I had all PlayStation models, including PSP and Vita), Sony Home Theatre, and owned many more Sony products over the years (countless Walkman’s, phones, TVs, radios, mp3 players, etc.). I can easily say that I spent in excess of £10,000 on Sony products over the years. I have also convinced countless friends and family members to choose Sony products acting as their brand ambassador for years and can only imagine how much income it got Sony. Unfortunately over the last 4 years my love and trust to Sony brand has been seriously weakened to the point where I’m seriously considering abandoning it forever. I will now tell you why.
It’s all to do with Xperias. I had Xperia Z1, Z2 and now Z5 (and would probably have more if it wasn’t due to issues with other models). It looks like I have a Stockholm syndrome as I’m also planning to buy Xperia XZ Premium however I will wait until people buy it and post their opinion to this and XDA forum (and I urge you to do the same). And this is why:
- Xperia Z3+ - https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3/Xperia-Z3-overheating-on-32-2-A-0-253/td-p/1152305
- Xperia Z5 - https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z5-Z5-Compact-Z5-Premium/Z5C-blurry-camera-images-more-blur-on-the-left-side/td-p/1043401
- Xperia XZ - https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-XZ/Camera-extremely-grainy/m-p/1184016
Every time they botch something their response is appalling! They either deny the issue exists or ignore it and never fix it. My Xperia Z5 still disconnects from WiFi and Sony still didn’t fix it after few months of the problem being brought to their attention. Just go and see the pathetic responses (or complete lack thereof) on the countless forum threads where people are literally begging Sony for help!
This is why I urge you to:
1. If you placed the pre-order already: cancel it and wait for the reviews and forum threads to see if the new models are free of issues. Don’t let Sony take you for a ride and show them they have to care more about their customers!
2. If you didn’t pre-order, wait with your purchase until more people have it in their hands and can post their problems (or hopefully lack of thereof) online!
3. Do not believe the Sony marketing and do not succumb to the hype! Do you remember “No more blurred photos” and how the predictive movement feature failed to work on Xperia Xz? Yeah, exactly that Sony! Don’t let Sony treat you like that and have respect for your hard earned money.
And if you still trust them with the pre-order maybe this will change your mind. While this was done with the pre-production unit and might still be fixed in the final software release it looks like the Xperia XZ photo processing issues are still present in the new models. Please see this YouTube video for first photo comparisons with other models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa8OmKzCJsE
And here’s a little bonus post of mine from 2016 to prove I'm not all doom & gloom Njoy!
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z5-Z5-Compact-Z5-Premium/Xperia-Z5-problems-finally-sorted-5th-attempt/td-p/1128684
Thanks
i dont lost my trust to sony ^^ already preordered Sh*t happens *
You can find any number of complaints with any number of brands - for every complaint there's probably hundreds or thousands of satisfied customers that understandably aren't posting that they're completely satisfied because they don't feel the need to.
I appreciate you've experienced problems in the past, but I doubt the vast majority of people will cancel a preorder on your say-so.
However I am confused that you say you're planning to get the xz premium, having pointed out problems with their recent phones and their response to these problems! If you've had some many issues (I, for one, haven't had any) then why not take a leap of faith and try one of the many alternatives out there?
I admit there have been some issues as mentioned with previous Sony phones. The premium xz seems like they really have a winner. Think I'm going to go for it. Thanks.
Like sony, lg (boot loop issues) and samsung (exploding battery and red tint) have had issues. Every flagship will have a pro and con. It's all about taking a leap of faith.
where am i able to fully preorder i preordered with Clove but they arent taking payments yet
Thank you for this.... I will wait for some real life battery tests and photos.
martin042068 said:
I admit there have been some issues as mentioned with previous Sony phones. The premium xz seems like they really have a winner. Think I'm going to go for it. Thanks.
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Unfortunately judging by the reviews it looks like there is again issues with the camera and like the Z5 how often you can actually get to use the screen at 4K.
I've had every Sony phone and absolutely adored XZ, now have XZs as temp phone while I patiently wait for my Premium .
Sensination said:
So I’ll start with admitting that I’m a huge Sony fan and maybe even a fanboy. However at the same time I’m smart and don’t like being taken for a ride. Almost all electronics in my house are made by Sony. I have Sony TV, Sony radio, PlayStation (I had all PlayStation models, including PSP and Vita), Sony Home Theatre, and owned many more Sony products over the years (countless Walkman’s, phones, TVs, radios, mp3 players, etc.). I can easily say that I spent in excess of £10,000 on Sony products over the years. I have also convinced countless friends and family members to choose Sony products acting as their brand ambassador for years and can only imagine how much income it got Sony. Unfortunately over the last 4 years my love and trust to Sony brand has been seriously weakened to the point where I’m seriously considering abandoning it forever. I will now tell you why.
It’s all to do with Xperias. I had Xperia Z1, Z2 and now Z5 (and would probably have more if it wasn’t due to issues with other models). It looks like I have a Stockholm syndrome as I’m also planning to buy Xperia XZ Premium however I will wait until people buy it and post their opinion to this and XDA forum (and I urge you to do the same). And this is why:
- Xperia Z3+ - https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z3/Xperia-Z3-overheating-on-32-2-A-0-253/td-p/1152305
- Xperia Z5 - https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z5-Z5-Compact-Z5-Premium/Z5C-blurry-camera-images-more-blur-on-the-left-side/td-p/1043401
- Xperia XZ - https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-XZ/Camera-extremely-grainy/m-p/1184016
Every time they botch something their response is appalling! They either deny the issue exists or ignore it and never fix it. My Xperia Z5 still disconnects from WiFi and Sony still didn’t fix it after few months of the problem being brought to their attention. Just go and see the pathetic responses (or complete lack thereof) on the countless forum threads where people are literally begging Sony for help!
This is why I urge you to:
1. If you placed the pre-order already: cancel it and wait for the reviews and forum threads to see if the new models are free of issues. Don’t let Sony take you for a ride and show them they have to care more about their customers!
2. If you didn’t pre-order, wait with your purchase until more people have it in their hands and can post their problems (or hopefully lack of thereof) online!
3. Do not believe the Sony marketing and do not succumb to the hype! Do you remember “No more blurred photos” and how the predictive movement feature failed to work on Xperia Xz? Yeah, exactly that Sony! Don’t let Sony treat you like that and have respect for your hard earned money.
And if you still trust them with the pre-order maybe this will change your mind. While this was done with the pre-production unit and might still be fixed in the final software release it looks like the Xperia XZ photo processing issues are still present in the new models. Please see this YouTube video for first photo comparisons with other models.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa8OmKzCJsE
And here’s a little bonus post of mine from 2016 to prove I'm not all doom & gloom Njoy!
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Xperia-Z5-Z5-Compact-Z5-Premium/Xperia-Z5-problems-finally-sorted-5th-attempt/td-p/1128684
Thanks
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There's a possibility for the phone to have issues with any manufacturer (Samsung Note 7's fire, LG G5's boot loop, some Snapdragon 810 phones overheat). If you can wait, don't just wait for "professional" reviews, wait a few months for actual user feedback. My current phone had great reviews, but turns out the software is a pos. From all the previews of the XZP it looks great, but I'm still not spending $900 until I see some real user reviews.
Another thing to know before ordering : It seems it isn't true 4K.
English translation of a detailed French review of the screen : https://translate.google.com/transl...z-premium-ecran-4k-qui-en-est-pas-n63477.html
awdrifter said:
From all the previews of the XZP it looks great, but I'm still not spending $900 until I see some real user reviews.
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I ordered mine from the UK. Paid $676.63 shipped. If you deduct the value of the Sony SRS-XB20... about $100.00... then that means I only paid $576.63 TOTAL. No tax, all in English, same warranty, free gift, and the fingerprint sensor works great!
Why so many are saying $900.00 is beyond me when it does NOT have to be that way! :silly:
jaseman said:
I ordered mine from the UK. Paid $676.63 shipped. If you deduct the value of the Sony SRS-XB20... about $100.00... then that means I only paid $576.63 TOTAL. No tax, all in English, same warranty, free gift, and the fingerprint sensor works great!
Why so many are saying $900.00 is beyond me when it does NOT have to be that way! :silly:
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Where did you get it for that cheap? Are you talking about £676? Everywhere I look are from $850-900 (USD).
awdrifter said:
Where did you get it for that cheap? Are you talking about £676? Everywhere I look are from $850-900 (USD).
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I bought mine from https://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/sony-xperia-xz-premium-sim-free-p-87511.html
There is no VAT (tax) and the amount I mentioned in my post is what was withdrawn from my account. That is the truth! After it shipped I received it two days later. :good:
Sildran said:
Another thing to know before ordering : It seems it isn't true 4K.
English translation of a detailed French review of the screen : https://translate.google.com/transl...z-premium-ecran-4k-qui-en-est-pas-n63477.html
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Seems like the reviewer doesn't realize that the phone runs at 1080p unless the app specifically requests 4K mode. Same as Z5 Premium. He's doing 1080p to 1440p comparisons. The results are obvious.
Interesting topic! But there's more to think about, especially differentiate between software and hardware issues.
Sensination said:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xa8OmKzCJsE
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Sonys Beauty Mode is a little annoying, because it's not deactivatable. But this can be circumvented by using a different camera app. I like an app called Snap Camera HDR. This is just an example for software related issues that usually can be fixed by using alternative apps or roms, rooting, Magisk, Xposed, and so on.
Hardware related issues are a bigger problem of course. But most of them are warrenty cases and you can return or replace the device. This doesn't change that it's very disapointing if you like your Xperia, but oh well.
Some people have to be the first ones to get the divice. If everyone waits for the others, we'll never get experience reports.
For **** sake, I pre ordered it at a webshop but they didn't ship the phones in chronological order so people who ordered it a day before rrlease got it first and I have to wait at least until next week for mine because there's not enough in my country
Pre order Unlocked Mobil
jaseman said:
I bought mine from https://www.unlocked-mobiles.com/sim-free-mobile-phones/sony-xperia-xz-premium-sim-free-p-87511.html
There is no VAT (tax) and the amount I mentioned in my post is what was withdrawn from my account. That is the truth! After it shipped I received it two days later. :good:
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Got my Chrome one yesterday from Unlocked Mobil 537.48 and no VAT. Took them awhile (not their fault) to get the Chrome one in that were preordered. Very good service and price.
martin042068 said:
Got my Chrome one yesterday from Unlocked Mobil 537.48 and no VAT. Took them awhile (not their fault) to get the Chrome one in that were preordered. Very good service and price.
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@martin042068 @jaseman Did you guys order this from Unlocked Mobiles, from the US? I placed an order too with them - but there are several back and forth emails regarding some TAC# and authorization. When I called AMEX, they say its pending from Unlocked Mobile. Did you go through this extra sec check? How long was it until you received the handset? Also their website says 2 yrs warranty on Int'l orders too - was that right?
Thanks for your response in advance!
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@[email protected] Did you guys order this from Unlocked Mobiles, from the US? I placed an order too with them - but there are several back and forth emails regarding some TAC# and authorization. When I called AMEX, they say its pending from Unlocked Mobile. Did you go through this extra sec check? How long was it until you received the handset? Also their website says 2 yrs warranty on Int'l orders too - was that right?
Thanks for your response in advance!
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I ordered from there and did not go through that step. Shipped and delivered in 4 days.