*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
LionLorena said:
*I know this must have been answered before, I am sorry for playing the newbie, but I couldn't find this anywhere.
I need to know exactly what is at stake for rooting my device, what would I lose access to, and what not.
I've read somewhere that you lose DRM or something like that, is that meaning I will not be able to watch Netflix download and go, or Google Play Music, etc? what does it means?
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You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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You will lose your warranty because you have to unlock your bootloader but if anything goes wrong you can always relock your bootloader and take your phone to a service center and claim your warranty they don't even check it in most cases other than that everything works fine
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And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Nothing else only warranty
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LionLorena said:
And apart from that, do I lose anything else?
Some guy said I would lose access to that extra anti theft security from Google that works kinda like iCloud, is it true?
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, I don't think rooting affects your anti-theft protection (I recall it's called Factory Reset Protection?). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Also, if you're logged into your device at the time, you could still locate and wipe your phone via Android Device Manager.
Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Provided you're still on the stock ROM, rooting shouldn't disable your anti-theft protection (which I recall is Factory Reset Protection). Even if you've enabled OEM unlocking in Developer Options, someone resetting your phone would still need your Google credentials to use the device. Of course, with an unlocked bootloader and custom recovery (as is generally required to root), someone could still flash a custom ROM and bypass those protections and, also, could in theory still access your data. (but only if they have physical access to your device)
As for DRM, I'm not sure but some apps have been/are now detecting the presence of root and will refuse to work (Snapchat, Pokemon Go, some banking apps come to mind) or for other devices, Android Pay and other security dependent features may not work. I recall magisk, a root manager, does have the ability to mask root from those apps, as well as pass SafetyNet, which is Google's security/anti-tamper detection. Your experience may vary. However, some apps require root access to function properly (e.g. kernel managers, battery monitors) just as to how they function, it's entirely up to you if you see yourself using those rooted apps on a regular enough basis. The root managers available (e.g. SuperSU, magisk) are supported and work well, just ensure you're using the latest versions, and if you're on stock Nougat, to flash a custom kernel prior to rooting (since the stock kernel won't permit modifications, if I recall).
Overall, in my view, you're trading security and warranty (as mentioned by prajwal2001) for convenience/flexibility by rooting - the flexibility alone to flash what you wish is what interested me in rooting my device, if anyone else has any other comments, feel free to add.
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Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
LionLorena said:
Hm I see.
That's a pretty big downside
I guess I will pass root for now, I was only wanting to do to use the ADB via USB OTG and boot disk creator.
Thanks everyone for all the information!
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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That's fair enough - there's nothing stopping you from rooting your device, then performing what you need, before unrooting your device. (Just curious, does what you want to do require root, or are there other non-root methods?)
However, this will still involve you voiding your warranty (via unlocking your bootloader), and may also involve re-flashing your stock firmware to remove the custom recovery (and relock your bootloader, if you wish, though this won't recover your warranty, sadly). Honestly though, it's your device, up to you what you wish to do
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Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
LionLorena said:
Yeah the warranty is not on top of my mind right now, my concern are the other issues it may cause, such apps not working, and security issues.
Like, I had a Sony Xperia Play back some years and past a week I root it, and past 2 weeks it was on Cyanogenmod.
I had Bricked that device countless times and had somehow fixed, I had also replaced several internal components as well, but back then there were no DRM stuff and all, so the rooting part is not what I fear, is just this new wave of side effects regarding it.
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There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
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There is no DRM to lose on Motorola devices. On Sony devices, what you said is applicable. As for apps that refuse to work with root access, you can simply switch to Magisk, and enabled hiding root access from all apps.
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That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
LionLorena said:
That's motivating.
And I've found a topic that says I don't even need to flash the custom recovery, I can simply hot boot it and do my stuff and keep the stock recovery.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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There's no real point of not changing the stock recovery, unless you are planning to stick with a rooted stock ROM. If you keep the stock recovery, you'll be able to enable OTA stock updates.
From a security standpoint, if your device is lost, it becomes much easier for an attacker to breach your system and much harder for you to protect it. However, according to most security principles, once your device is lost from you, it's no longer your device, anyway.
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The OTA updates are one of the reasons, yes.
And yes, from that point of view you are right.
I'm currently using some tracking solutions such as Cerberus, and disabling some features while the phone screen is locked, such as quick settings, and power off menu.
Also the extra layer of security imposed by Google version of iCloud, passes me some sense of safety.
The main thing that bothers me related to custom recovery is that the attacker can replace my software entirely.
While with stock I can have some time to recover the device using the tactics. Enabled.
And root could potentially aid me in that, I could add Cerberus to /system and etc.
You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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You lose security. Every person with knowledge can access to your phone through TWRP, use the File Manager to erase files.key (this erases your gesture or PIN of lock screen) and can see all your info. If you unlock bootloader, every person can flash TWRP and do this steps.
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thats why i'm thinking 3 times before doing it.
Related
Potential first time Nexus user coming over from Desire Z.
I intend to transfer my old data from my DZ to the nexus4 when I get it via Titanium Backup. My DZ is rooted with S-off, so it's all good.
I've stumbled over instructions on how to unlock the nexus4 via ABD, but if I'm not wrong, that's only to allow flashing of custom bootloaders and ROMs, right?
Which is to say, unlocking != rooting, and in order for Titanium Backup to work properly, the n4 will have to be rooted as well as SU, busybox etc installed.
Am I on the right track?
Cheers.
nexus come unlock.
unlock = to be use with any carrier
rooting = giving beyond standard permissions such as changing how android does things. EG overclocking, changing your sound "quailty" etc and you said. TB (titanium backup)
Unlock can also mean bootloader unlocking so you can flash/boot from custom recoveries, ROMs, kernels etc (the previous poster was referring to SIM unlocking).
It's just as easy to root, simply install/flash SuperSU via recovery though ChainsDD's Superuser works as well.
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Unlock can also mean bootloader unlocking so you can flash/boot from custom recoveries, ROMs, kernels etc (the previous poster was referring to SIM unlocking).
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Thanks Unlawful. Yes, I meant bootloader unlocking.
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It's just as easy to root, simply install/flash SuperSU via recovery though ChainsDD's Superuser works as well.
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Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
endlesstrail said:
Thanks Unlawful. Yes, I meant bootloader unlocking.
Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
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I doubt it. Be cool if it did
Once you have it unlocked you enter the recovery mode and root it there. I'm probably guessing shortly after its release someone is going to make a program so it does it in few steps.
There won't be anything really out that really requires root, other than TB.
endlesstrail said:
Thanks Unlawful. Yes, I meant bootloader unlocking.
Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
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Nexus 4 does not come rooted. You have to root it.
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Nexus 4 does not come rooted. You have to root it.
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Thanks guys. I guessed as much.
Yeah, I'll probably have to do without the backup of my apps for a few days until some kind soul manages to root it and posts instructions. Maybe it'll just be a day or a few hours even! :fingers-crossed:
You will be able to unlock the bootloader right away.
Root maybe not. In order to root it you will need either need a custom recovery for the device or a software exploit.
It won't take long but a custom recovery needs to be built and tested first.
It's easy to root a nexus
First you unlock the bootloader=fastboot oem unlock.
Then you use fastboot to flash a recovery. Once recovery is flashed you have to use adb to make it stick(delete the script that overwrite custom recovery with stock) then you flash su. Zip in recovery. Very simple to do
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Unlock can also mean bootloader unlocking so you can flash/boot from custom recoveries, ROMs, kernels etc (the previous poster was referring to SIM unlocking).
It's just as easy to root, simply install/flash SuperSU via recovery though ChainsDD's Superuser works as well.
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Just want to clarify, I have not had a nexus device before, but my understanding is that, even on a Nexus, without unlocking the bootloader, one would still need to exploit and mount system as RW first to install SU.
USSENTERNCC1701E said:
Just want to clarify, I have not had a nexus device before, but my understanding is that, even on a Nexus, without unlocking the bootloader, one would still need to exploit and mount system as RW first to install SU.
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Without unlocking the bootloader, it's much more difficult to root and as you said, one would need to use an exploit and then do as you have said. However, Nexus devices do come with the luxury of unlockable bootloaders for a multitude of reasons .
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Do you mean to say that the nexus4 comes rooted? Because installing of any of the SU apps require the phone to already be rooted, which I assume is not the case even for Nexus devices.
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I think Chainfire meant that in case you wanted to switch from Superuser to SuperSU or if you're just installing the APK (the application). If you do want to root, you should just flash the zip file found here in a custom recovery which does everything for you.
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Without unlocking the bootloader, it's much more difficult to root and as you said, one would need to use an exploit and then do as you have said. However, Nexus devices do come with the luxury of unlockable bootloaders for a multitude of reasons .
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Thanks. Bytheby, my only experience in the past with non-hack bootloader unlocking is with HTCunlock. Have past nexus devices had a permanent watermark even after relocking? I'm hoping that's not the case, cause extensive googling does not have anyone explicitly saying one way or the other, so maybe only HTC is that jacked.
I just want to clear up some terminology to stop people getting confused...
Bootloader a.k.a HBoot - This is the piece of software that runs before anything else on the phone. It basically packages it all up, tells what to run in what order e.t.c Every computer device has a bootloader in some form or another, be it an Android Phone, iPhone, Windows PC, iMac e.t.c. The HBoot is accessible by switching your phone off, then holding down volume down as you turn it back on. The first line of the HBoot will tell you if you are S-OFF or S-ON.
Recovery - The recovery is the piece of software that allows us to write files to partitions while they aren't being used. It is the portal to allow us to flash custom ROM's and kernels. There are custom recoveries with more options than the stock such as ClockworkMod.
Superuser a.k.a su or Root - This is a user that is present on all linux distros that allows higher permissions than standard users have access to. Certain apps need superuser permissions to function, such as Titanium Backup.
A bootloader is traditionally locked. This means it stops you from writing to any partition on the device other than data. What is always true of Nexus devices, and now true of most consumer devices, there is an offical method for unlocking the bootloader. With HTC, you have to download some software, with Nexus devices, it is as simple as booting into fastboot mode, and typing the command "fastboot oem unlock" (assuming you have fastboot installed on your connected PC / mac).
Although this unlocks the bootloader (which by the way resets your device to factory settings), you still aren't rooted. You now have the ability to flash images to the previously locked partitions. Once you have access to write to partitions, the easiest method of rooting is installing a custom recovery (fastboot flash recovery recovery.img, and then using that to flash a superuser zip.
There are exploits for rooting, which either eman the recovery partition gets written to without the bootloader unlocking OR the su files get pushed to the system partition while the bootloader is locked. These exploits are more tricky and are getting harder to find, but allow you to gain root access without voiding your warranty.
To answer someone else's question, when you unlocked the bootloader on the Nexus One you got a watermark on the bootsplash, I don't know about any Nexus after that.
EDIT - Unlocked Phone: To throw some further clarification, when people talk about "unlocked phones" what they actually means is carrier. This term pre-dates smartphones, and a locked phone just meant that if you bought your phone through a carrier, you could only use it on their network, so no other SIM would work unless you bought a code off them to unlock it. This only applied to GSM phones (not CDMA) and s still practised today. The Nexus 4 will not be carrier locked wherever you buy it.
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Thanks for the excellent clarification. It's much clearer now.
USSENTERNCC1701E said:
Thanks. Bytheby, my only experience in the past with non-hack bootloader unlocking is with HTCunlock. Have past nexus devices had a permanent watermark even after relocking? I'm hoping that's not the case, cause extensive googling does not have anyone explicitly saying one way or the other, so maybe only HTC is that jacked.
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Both the Galaxy Nexus and the Nexus 7 don't have anything changed when you unlock the bootloader (apart from an unlocked lock image on the boot screen beneath the Google logo and then it disappears after going to the boot animation). I would assume this was the same with the Nexus S . Also another good thing about Nexus devices is that you can relock the bootloader after unlocking it and it will be back to a stock configuration (assuming you're on the Google-built ROM).
PlanBSTi said:
There won't be anything really out that really requires root, other than TB.
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I beg to differ; DroidWall is the one utility I refuse to live without, and that requires root.
Other than that and TitaniumBackup though, you're quite right; the new stock features of JellyBean mean I likely won't even bother with any major third-party modifications. Indeed, I'm thinking this'll be the first 'phone in many a year which I won't be installing a custom ROM on for at least the first six months of use.
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There won't be anything really out that really requires root, other than TB.
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Lol, the irony is I really only use TB because I'm switching ROMs. I disagree though, I really like the extra customization that comes with a lot of custom ROM's. But I've run phones for a few months with OEM skins, while waiting on an exploit. I agree there won't be a pressing need for root.
I guess you guys like to actually see ads on your phones.
albundy2010 said:
I guess you guys like to actually see ads on your phones.
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I actually don't find many apps to have very intrusive ads at all. I also feel better knowing I'm not ripping off the devs
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I guess you guys like to actually see ads on your phones.
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I've never actually ended up with an air push app, and the rest of the ads really don't bother me, sometimes I'll go on a clicking spree to support devs. If it really bothers me I buy the full version or uninstall it.
Hello,
It's been a long time since I rooted a device.So please be patient.
I want to root the tablet because I need open vpn connectivity and I don't need a custom ROM because I am mainly using it as a media consumption device.
Does rooting automatically mean flashing a custom recovery(CWM) Is it possible to root without flashing one(I feel stupid asking this I remember flashing CWM every time I root a Android device.)
I have heard that there are some bugs in CWM for Nexus 10.
Thanks
siddardhab said:
Hello,
It's been a long time since I rooted a device.So please be patient.
I want to root the tablet because I need open vpn connectivity and I don't need a custom ROM because I am mainly using it as a media consumption device.
Does rooting automatically mean flashing a custom recovery(CWM) Is it possible to root without flashing one(I feel stupid asking this I remember flashing CWM every time I root a Android device.)
I have heard that there are some bugs in CWM for Nexus 10.
Thanks
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Well I like to think Android is Linux; which it basically is. It gives you access to system files and delve deeper than what you can normally access. superuser access more or less. You can install custom ROMs AFTER you are rooted. That's pretty much it. Also, no rooting doesn't automatically flashing a custom recovery.
A custom recovery is just a custom recovery that you can flash through fastboot..for a plethora of different functions which cannot be done easily with the stock recovery. Which is..another method of customizing and accessing your phone...since this can go on for a long time I'm just going to stop and add that you're better off reading and learning stuff before trying to do any of it though.
Good luck!
I've never quite got an answer to this: does rooting automatically ends warranty? What is Samsung's official take? Does unrooting work and can I cover traces? I only want rooting for adblocking and USB OTG, but now risking warranty.
I don't think rooting a device voids any warranty. You can always lock the bootloader and reflash the stock image and it's as if nothing ever happened.
If it were to void the warranty, Google wouldn't have made it easy to unlock the bootloader and root. If you tamper with with hardware in the device then yes it will void your warranty.
So basically, what is the point of rooting the device?
realyweely said:
So basically, what is the point of rooting the device?
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Personally I'd do that fro adblocking and external storage mounting, if it doesn't require messing with the ROM which I'd prefer not to.
what kind of adblocking just out of interest? is it possible to get something like adfender for portable devices?
AdAway is a popular app, dunno of compatible with the N10 just yet.
Rooting allows you to freeze apps that you don't want to keep them form wasting resources, freeze & hide apps you do not want the kids to use, back up apps & data plus entire system just in case you accidentally do something stupid. Then there is AdFree to block ads. Plus, if you get bored in the future you can jump into ROM flashing.
siddardhab said:
I want to root the tablet because I need open vpn connectivity and I don't need a custom ROM because I am mainly using it as a media consumption device.
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'OpenVPN for Android' (by Arne Schwabe) does not need root (btw I do not own a nexus 10 to check if it works on it)
I installed Full nougat and it went pretty seamlessly. Great directions at videomap.it. Anyway, two apps I use (and pay for access to both) don't allow me to stream video one is beinsportsconnect.tv. When I try to access video content a box pops up and say "Your device is rooted so you are unable to access video"
Now, my questions are:
Is there an easy way to get around this on Nougat? I mean, I thought ALL apps were supposed to work with the full android ROM for Shield.
If I had a 2015 model would I run into this issue at all? Reason I ask is that on the 2017 model, you are required to use SuperSU to root in order to boot the Full Android Nougat operating system. I noticed on the 2015 model you do not need to Root. So, if I had the 2015 model would my apps likely pass the "root check" as SuperSU is not required?
One last question, is the 2017 pro model the same as the 2015? meaning I would not be required to ROOT with SuperSU to install full android os?
Thank you.
Why are you asking these questions here? Why aren't you asking on videomap like you should be?
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Why are you asking these questions here? Why aren't you asking on videomap like you should be?
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I did post over there. I wanted to get a broader sense of feedback from the xda community.
I was not aware that we were unable to post questions into the " Shield Android TV Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting" section. It seemed like a good place to place to ask for Q&A.
Any feedback or experience with this rom would be appreciated.
Thank you all
chinook387 said:
I installed Full nougat and it went pretty seamlessly. Great directions at videomap.it. Anyway, two apps I use (and pay for access to both) don't allow me to stream video one is beinsportsconnect.tv. When I try to access video content a box pops up and say "Your device is rooted so you are unable to access video"
Now, my questions are:
Is there an easy way to get around this on Nougat? I mean, I thought ALL apps were supposed to work with the full android ROM for Shield.
If I had a 2015 model would I run into this issue at all? Reason I ask is that on the 2017 model, you are required to use SuperSU to root in order to boot the Full Android Nougat operating system. I noticed on the 2015 model you do not need to Root. So, if I had the 2015 model would my apps likely pass the "root check" as SuperSU is not required?
One last question, is the 2017 pro model the same as the 2015? meaning I would not be required to ROOT with SuperSU to install full android os?
Thank you.
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By Full Nougat I take it you mean some kind of custom rom?
It seems to me that you likely overwritten your DRM Partition. In which case, unless you remembered to make a backup (i.e. Cloning the original Drive), beforehand. Then that's that, a done deal, and anything that would have ever required any high lever DRM (e.g. Amazon, or Netflix), will no longer work. As you no longer possess the needed DRM Keys.
And, before you ask... No once those Keys are gone. They are gone for good. Outside of a Backup. Only nVIDIA could regrant you those Keys. As they are Device specific.
Ichijoe said:
By Full Nougat I take it you mean some kind of custom rom?
It seems to me that you likely overwritten your DRM Partition. In which case, unless you remembered to make a backup (i.e. Cloning the original Drive), beforehand. Then that's that, a done deal, and anything that would have ever required any high lever DRM (e.g. Amazon, or Netflix), will no longer work. As you no longer possess the needed DRM Keys.
And, before you ask... No once those Keys are gone. They are gone for good. Outside of a Backup. Only nVIDIA could regrant you those Keys. As they are Device specific.
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You can always re-flash the stock ROM from nvidias website, I tested out the full firmwares in the past but went back to stock easily. Everything works as it should.
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You can always re-flash the stock ROM from nvidias website, I tested out the full firmwares in the past but went back to stock easily. Everything works as it should.
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With a HUGE CAVEAT that your DRM Partition on the SSHD was left intact. When you Install something like a custom rom. You take a risk that it will overwrite something.
Of course you could try to revert back to stock, and pray that it all suddenly works again. But, alas in a worst case scenario if your DRM Keys are gone. Then a month of (flashing Stock on your Shield) Sundays will not be enough for you to recover them.
The only good thing is as long as you grabbed this from a 'trusted' source then it should be possible to recover. If this was more of a hatchet job. Well Probably not.
But, it makes you wonder why we can root the Shield, (@stock), and Amazon, and Netflix don't even bat an eye. As long as Widevine L1 is left intact.
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By Full Nougat I take it you mean some kind of custom rom?
It seems to me that you likely overwritten your DRM Partition. In which case, unless you remembered to make a backup (i.e. Cloning the original Drive), beforehand. Then that's that, a done deal, and anything that would have ever required any high lever DRM (e.g. Amazon, or Netflix), will no longer work. As you no longer possess the needed DRM Keys.
And, before you ask... No once those Keys are gone. They are gone for good. Outside of a Backup. Only nVIDIA could regrant you those Keys. As they are Device specific.
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you're wrong assuming he corrupted his DRM keys. Again you corrupted yours because you flashed someone else's partition backup. Stop scaring people around.
The OP is simply using services that don't allow rooted devices. That is their restriction policy, nothing we can do about, so it is NOT firmware's fault but a restriction of the app service. Without root those apps should playback content just fine.
the developer of Full Android firmwares @zulu99 only provides system.img and vendor.img, so it is safe to flash and has been proven success by several users now, including myself.
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-Preface: I have never rooted an Android phone before. I really want to but I have questions/concerns that I want to address before I do so. My daily driver and the phone I want to root is a OnePlus 5 running Android 7.1.1 Nougat.
-I want to root my phone to learn how to root and gain the experience from it (one of the reasons I built my own PC, besides just having an amazing gaming PC), delete all the garbage apps that I can't uninstall or can only disable, I want access to the very useful apps only accessible with root access of a phone, etc.
-Is it safe to root an Android phone?
-How do I root my phone?
-Should I be installing any antivirus/anti-malware software to plug security problems that comes with rooting an Android device? (I currently have Malwarebytes Pro; I was grandfathered in so I don't need to pay for it.)
-Here are some apps that I plan on using with my rooted phone (these either require rooting or significantly benefit from it): Oxygen Updater, Greenify, Sixaxis Controller, SuperSU, Titanium Backup, system app remover, Flashfire, Keepass2 USB Keyboard Plugin, Flashify, Lucky Patcher, Adaway, Game hacker app (Freedom APK?)
-Are there any other apps that you can suggest that I use with a rooted Android phone?
-Will OTA updates still work? I would absolutely hate having to re-root every single time OnePlus releases an update. (I think Oxygen Updater and Flashfire might be able to solve this problem.)
-I'm not sure if all of my concerns/questions that I have are laid out here but I would love all feedback, responses, and additional concerns you may raise with rooting. Thanks so much!
This looks like the page I might be looking for as to how to root the OnePlus 5: https://forum.xda-developers.com/oneplus-5/how-to/oneplus-5-unlock-bootloader-flash-twrp-t3624877. Not sure what any of the terminology means at the moment, but when/if I'm ready to root, this seems like the place to do it.
Ah safe as houses these days xD, just make sure your on the latest OOS firmware and follow that guide you've linked. You learn from your mistakes and just remember you've got a team of people willing to help you out with any issues if you do mess up
blackcell1 said:
Ah safe as houses these days xD, just make sure your on the latest OOS firmware and follow that guide you've linked. You learn from your mistakes and just remember you've got a team of people willing to help you out with any issues if you do mess up
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Does rooting completely wipe the phone of all its data? If so, how do I ensure it's all backed up in case something goes wrong? All my important things (my files: images, videos, etc.) are uploaded to cloud services (Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive), so I won't lose any of that stuff, but I absolutely (1) cannot brick my phone, and (2) I don't want to have to, in case something goes wrong, reinstall all my apps, sign into them again, change the settings to the way I like, etc.
FamilyGuy0395 said:
Does rooting completely wipe the phone of all its data? If so, how do I ensure it's all backed up in case something goes wrong? All my important things (my files: images, videos, etc.) are uploaded to cloud services (Google Drive and Microsoft OneDrive), so I won't lose any of that stuff, but I absolutely (1) cannot brick my phone, and (2) I don't want to have to, in case something goes wrong, reinstall all my apps, sign into them again, change the settings to the way I like, etc.
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The root process itself does not wipe anything. But you have to unlock your bootloader first, and this will inevitably wipe everything on your phone including internal storage.
So any apps you have installed so far (and their settings) will be lost unless that app has some export settings feature. Nothing you can do about it now.
All the steps necessary for unlocking and rooting can be found at the link you posted. I followed the same guide and I'm good to go and had no problems.
Rooted or unrooted, an antivirus is optional and it's up to you if you want one. I personally don't use one.
Pwnycorn said:
The root process itself does not wipe anything. But you have to unlock your bootloader first, and this will inevitably wipe everything on your phone including internal storage.
So any apps you have installed so far (and their settings) will be lost unless that app has some export settings feature. Nothing you can do about it now.
All the steps necessary for unlocking and rooting can be found at the link you posted. I followed the same guide and I'm good to go and had no problems.
Rooted or unrooted, an antivirus is optional and it's up to you if you want one. I personally don't use one.
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What is SafetyNet? Does it have anything to do with Google Play apps passing some sort of security test in order for them to function/open? How do I not lose access to some apps (like Android Pay is one of them that I have heard) that fail this SafetyNet test?
FamilyGuy0395 said:
What is SafetyNet? Does it have anything to do with Google Play apps passing some sort of security test in order for them to function/open? How do I not lose access to some apps (like Android Pay is one of them that I have heard) that fail this SafetyNet test?
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Yes, that's it. Pokémon GO and Mario Run are other two examples.
You can bypass it with Magisk, but it's never forever as SafetyNet gets updated and then you have to wait for Magisk to get updated. It's a never-ending cat and mouse game.
Ugh, that's an unbelievable pain in the ass... I don't get why people who root their phones have all these extra burdens. I want to root my phone really badly but with all these hurdles I honestly am not sure if it's worth it.
Are there any other apps I haven't mentioned or any other root benefits any of you guys can mention to persuade me in the direction of rooting?
FamilyGuy0395 said:
Ugh, that's an unbelievable pain in the ass... I don't get why people who root their phones have all these extra burdens. I want to root my phone really badly but with all these hurdles I honestly am not sure if it's worth it.
Are there any other apps I haven't mentioned or any other root benefits any of you guys can mention to persuade me in the direction of rooting?
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Simply being able to delete applications that I don't want got me into rooting. I cannot persuade, but if the SafetyNet thing is something that is going to hold you back because you use those applications then it's up to you. I know people that have rooted phones and manage with Magisk as a workaround, but yes it's a cat and mouse deal in the end. The ability to flash custom kernels and customize the UI (through substratum or custom ROM) is also a plus! ?
I think you should root only if you have time to learn about android OS, rooting your phone will grants you the full access for everything and you'll have full control in it... Then there are some apps or mods that requires rooted phone (substratum for theming is AMAZING) but here it's up to you... The question is, what you want to do with your phone? If you like/want to have complete control over it and a lot of feature then install a custom rom
God damnit I'd love to root but the more research I do into SafetyNet rooting just seems not even worth it if I have to keep losing access to apps I use...
The reasons I want to root basically boil down to me wanting to trash garbage apps I don't use and can't uninstall and to install cool apps that require root access.
SafetyNet is not important in my opinion.. I've used Android rooted with supersu (no SafetyNet) for years and I've never miss anything..
Is that app list I have above include useful apps, in your opinion? Are any of them redundant? Any other ones I shouldn't miss out on?
A few banking apps use safetynet. If it's vitallyimportant youhave a banking app working, keep in mind you can still access through internet, then this can be a deal breaker...
I think you're going to find most people here are pro root as this is a developers forum - so saying, it opens up a world of ease with which to do things that aren't available to most people and allows you to do things they can't, nerd cool factor high...
FamilyGuy0395 said:
God damnit I'd love to root but the more research I do into SafetyNet rooting just seems not even worth it if I have to keep losing access to apps I use...
The reasons I want to root basically boil down to me wanting to trash garbage apps I don't use and can't uninstall and to install cool apps that require root access.
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just youtube the process
FamilyGuy0395 said:
God damnit I'd love to root but the more research I do into SafetyNet rooting just seems not even worth it if I have to keep losing access to apps I use...
The reasons I want to root basically boil down to me wanting to trash garbage apps I don't use and can't uninstall and to install cool apps that require root access.
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In the past I used to always root but to me it's not worth it anymore. To me AP is incredibly convenient. Not willing to play cat and mouse with it. This phone doesn't really have bloat and tethering works flawlessly for
me. Tethering and AP are two of the most important features for me.
I wish to root my phone(XT1686) but intend to keep the stock ROM(no bootloader unlock).
Is there any advantage in doing so? And will OTA updates be affected?
yourSAS said:
I wish to root my phone(XT1686) but intend to keep the stock ROM(no bootloader unlock).
Is there any advantage in doing so? And will OTA updates be affected?
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It is not possible to root without unlocking the bootloader on this device...
If you don't have a specific reason to root, don't do it.
And once rooted, you cannot accept any OTA... most likely case if you do it will just fail, worst possible case it bricks (which can happen but is extremely rare).
To answer the question in your title, about the advantages of rooting...
Rooting gives you near full access to your device, and thus the ability to customize it beyond the options provided to you via the default interface. Also, some apps provide additional features on rooted phones. For example, some security programs recommend rooting your device so that it can more forcefully integrate itself with the device to protect against malware, hacking, etc. I tend to install a security package that works better on a rooted device, as well as make use of features that tend to only work on a rooted device, such as folder mounting from the internal SD card to the external one. Also, allows me to access system files that are unavailable otherwise, allowing me to customize certain sounds (or copy them at least).
If you decide you want to root your device, make sure you understand the steps to take BEFORE trying it. That means when you come across a guide on how to do it, make sure you get all the files that will be required and reading through the instructions step by step. If any of the steps sound like it will leave you lost on what to do, then DO NOT do any of it. Also, make sure you read the comments for the guide as well, looking for any mention of issues encountered and consider if you might encounter those issues as well. For example, if it causes issues for devices that use a particular carrier and you use that same carrier, you might want to leave well enough alone. Compare your phone version numbers with what others report having issues with (kernel, baseband, build, etc). Anything that someone has an issue with where their phone somehow matches up with yours in some way, take that as a sign to investigate deeper, so as to avoid having any issues yourself.
For the most part, unless you have a need or desire for a feature/function that requires rooting your device, don't mess with it. I'm not kidding, as one mistake can leave you without a working phone and without any options for returning/replacing it.
Thanks for the replies & warnings.
I'm not a noob so I know the risks of rooting. So maybe I should have rephrased it-
What are the advantages of rooting Moto G5 plus specifically?
Say like in terms of mods and other stuff? Also, is it possible to unroot once rooted- I mean to ask if it's possible to revert the state to factory mode with bootloader locked and stock ROM so that device will be eligible for OTA updates again?
yourSAS said:
Thanks for the replies & warnings.
I'm not a noob so I know the risks of rooting. So maybe I should have rephrased it-
What are the advantages of rooting Moto G5 plus specifically?
Say like in terms of mods and other stuff? Also, is it possible to unroot once rooted- I mean to ask if it's possible to revert the state to factory mode with bootloader locked and stock ROM so that device will be eligible for OTA updates again?
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Bootloader lock is not relevant to OTA's. You might be able to relock, but the fact it was once unlocked cannot be hidden, it will always be very clear that it was unlocked.
Unrooting is easy, the issue arises undoing what you did with root, undoing them all depends what you changed.
I don't know of any reasons specific to this device to root.
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Bootloader lock is not relevant to OTA's. You might be able to relock, but the fact it was once unlocked cannot be hidden, it will always be very clear that it was unlocked.
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If the OEM knows I've unlocked bootloader, why will it push OTAs to my phone even though I've locked bootloader on my end? So isn't bootloader lock status relevant for OTA?
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If the OEM knows I've unlocked bootloader, why will it push OTAs to my phone even though I've locked bootloader on my end? So isn't bootloader lock status relevant for OTA?
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No, the status of your bootloader is not relevant... Moto will notify you of an available update and happily attempt to apply it regardless if your bootloader is locked or not.
What matters is if the boot or system partitions is changed, if there is ANY change to those, among other things like if the radio version or recovery versions don't match or the partition table is changed, the update will fail. If you flash any custom recovery it will fail as well.
On this subject I mention a slight con which is that some banking or financial apps might complain to you if they detect root. I have maybe 10 different bank and credit apps installed and all work flawlessly except 1. The Huntington Bank app wont allow me to use fingerprint login but otherwise the app is fully functional like mobile deposits. Just wanted to mention to be aware.