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It is driving me crazy that we can get this thing to output at 24bit/192k Hz or even just 24bit/96k (I would be perfectly fine with 96k as I can honestly barely tell the difference between 96 and 192).
I was listening to some 24bit vinyl stuff on my phone and I could help but wondered why it sounded "dull" for lack of a better term. Back into PC and all of a sudden all of the high end clarity is back (relieved to know I am not going deaf).
But this leads be to the question, our phones must be downsampling to 48K. Even Neutron says it can only sample 48hz so what the deal? I know the DAC in this phone is supposed to support something absurd like 32bit/356k Hz but it seems like it is only outputting 48K.
Is it just me, or are my ears lying to me lol???
You are correct. The phone downsamples and converts everything to 48khz pcm. Nobody who buys this phone seems to care about it and LG is not in any hurry to correct it.
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You are correct. The phone downsamples and converts everything to 48khz pcm. Nobody who buys this phone seems to care about it and LG is not in any hurry to correct it.
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I rather suspect that the large majority of V20 owners don't have any true hi-res music files
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I rather suspect that the large majority of V20 owners don't have any true hi-res music files
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If it's true hi res at DSD (DIFF), WAV 24/96 at least, or flac 24/96 or the very least flac 24/48, and with a good quality headset, IEM or CANS, you should hear the differences, forget the B&O one's, they don't make much differences, then you know the quality. Never compare the V20 with any standalone DAP, maybe low quality one's.
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If it's true hi res at DSD (DIFF), WAV 24/96 at least, or flac 24/96 or the very least flac 24/48, and with a good quality headset, IEM or CANS, you should hear the differences, forget the B&O one's, they don't make much differences, then you know the quality. Never compare the V20 with any standalone DAP, maybe low quality one's.
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I use a pair of AKG k240s when I am out and about. I use my Q701s often, but I was really eager to try the k501s with the v20, and I am really sad this phone isn't utilizing the DAC properly.
(I'm an AKG guy btw haha)
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I use a pair of AKG k240s when I am out and about. I use my Q701s often, but I was really eager to try the k501s with the v20, and I am really sad this phone isn't utilizing the DAC properly.
(I'm an AKG guy btw haha)
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My V20 seems to be using it, with the hifi dac toggled on and off , I can clearly hear the differences, when compared to my G5 hifi DAC, it sound slightly better, but only a marginal better, I think it all comes down to the quality of the components use, either way my sony ZX 2 sound way better, but my xperia X performance does not compare to the LG.
Ilike sony, you can see my IEM collection below in the sig, going to pickup a pair of MDR EX1000.
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My V20 seems to be using it, with the hifi dac toggled on and off , I can clearly hear the differences, when compared to my G5 hifi DAC, it sound slightly better, but only a marginal better, I think it all comes down to the quality of the components use, either way my sony ZX 2 sound way better, but my xperia X performance does not compare to the LG.
Ilike sony, you can see my IEM collection below in the sig, going to pickup a pair of MDR EX1000.
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To me it just sounds like when I toggle the hi-fi mode it is just pushing more voltage. Just a glorified "gain" control lol. It gets louder but no clearer and still sounds a bit hollow. when I compare to my sound blaster z direct stereo mode the v20 is crap. And it's saddening because we all know it has the hardware to be so much more. Some one get an LG rep in these forums lol.
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To me it just sounds like when I toggle the hi-fi mode it is just pushing more voltage. Just a glorified "gain" control lol. It gets louder but no clearer and still sounds a bit hollow. when I compare to my sound blaster z direct stereo mode the v20 is crap. And it's saddening because we all know it has the hardware to be so much more. Some one get an LG rep in these forums lol.
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I think it sound more that louder, it has a slight differences in tone.
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To me it just sounds like when I toggle the hi-fi mode it is just pushing more voltage. Just a glorified "gain" control lol. It gets louder but no clearer and still sounds a bit hollow. when I compare to my sound blaster z direct stereo mode the v20 is crap. And it's saddening because we all know it has the hardware to be so much more. Some one get an LG rep in these forums lol.
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I have to admit that this is true when compare between my Xonar and the phone. I am very disappointed and the only reason I keep it cuz v10 is so slow now. Better Audio for audiophile?? my ass, just louder, all sounded like mp3, so why must we use flac. Not to mention the camera is super dull for late 2016.
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You are correct. The phone downsamples and converts everything to 48khz pcm. Nobody who buys this phone seems to care about it and LG is not in any hurry to correct it.
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I see you love to spread misinformation.
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It is driving me crazy that we can get this thing to output at 24bit/192k Hz or even just 24bit/96k (I would be perfectly fine with 96k as I can honestly barely tell the difference between 96 and 192).
I was listening to some 24bit vinyl stuff on my phone and I could help but wondered why it sounded "dull" for lack of a better term. Back into PC and all of a sudden all of the high end clarity is back (relieved to know I am not going deaf).
But this leads be to the question, our phones must be downsampling to 48K. Even Neutron says it can only sample 48hz so what the deal? I know the DAC in this phone is supposed to support something absurd like 32bit/356k Hz but it seems like it is only outputting 48K.
Is it just me, or are my ears lying to me lol???
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Go into LG world, HiFi and grab true high res music and play it in stock LG music app. You will see how well it works.
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Any player will play those files... however, every player is decimating the files down to 48khz prior to sending them to the DAC because the phone is reporting that 48khz pcm is the only available ability of the DAC.
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I see you love to spread misinformation.
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Your player is playing the files, but before it sends the info to the DAC, it is decimating them to the best reported rate, which is 48khz pcm.
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Go into LG world, HiFi and grab true high res music and play it in stock LG music app. You will see how well it works.
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I'm not sure what your on about, I have 24bit/192k files already, why do I need LGs? I also have tracks I have recorded at 24bit/96k and personally mixed and mastered my self. I know how down sample audio sounds.
The problem isn't the files its the fact that the DAC isn't outputting anything higher than 48k. I'm not sure if you have any other DACs you can test with but that fact that there is a major difference between my sound blaster z and the v20 is proof enough that the DAC isn't functioning as it should.
Hearing is not a one sound fits all.
The DAC Hi-Fi on the V20 does an excellent job compaired to many other phones out there.
At least with my V20 I can hear the over all better quality of playback when turning on Hi-Fi. The music is much more rich. And tones that I have never heard in music before can now be heard.
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Hearing is not a one sound fits all.
The DAC Hi-Fi on the V20 does an excellent job compaired to many other phones out there.
At least with my V20 I can hear the over all better quality of playback when turning on Hi-Fi. The music is much more rich. And tones that I have never heard in music before can now be heard.
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That doesn't change the fact that many of us bought this device for specific reason. Once of the biggest reason for me personally was because the ES9218 has some really impressive specifications. If supports DSD and yet converts to PCM. I have a problem with that, it isn't functioning as it should. It supports 32 bit stereo at an outrageous 384Khz and yet decimates everything to to 48Khz. So that means for those of us who have invested in good pair of cans, we are upset.
I am glad you think is sounds good and I don't want to take away from your experience but it does not change the fact that 24bit 96/192khz files sound like crap coming out of this phone compared to a DAC outputting the signal correctly.
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I am glad you think is sounds good and I don't want to take away from your experience but it does not change the fact that 24bit 96/192khz files sound like crap coming out of this phone compared to a DAC outputting the signal correctly.
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What are you using to play your files.
You mentioned neuron, but what about the stock player?
Its very possible that its not the phone that's the issue. But the software / player your using could be the problem instead.
Just received my male to female adapter today and all i got to say is Wawwww. I am hooked...
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What are you using to play your files.
You mentioned neuron, but what about the stock player?
Its very possible that its not the phone that's the issue. But the software / player your using could be the problem instead.
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I have used the stock player, poweramp, neurtron, JetAudio lol all of them down-sample the audio. The phone is definitely the issue. If you have another DAC that outputs at 192kHz you would be able to tell very easily that the v20 is down sampling to 48kHz
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I have used the stock player, poweramp, neurtron, JetAudio lol all of them down-sample the audio. The phone is definitely the issue. If you have another DAC that outputs at 192kHz you would be able to tell very easily that the v20 is down sampling to 48kHz
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Your software could be down sampling. Not the hardware.
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That doesn't change the fact that many of us bought this device for specific reason. Once of the biggest reason for me personally was because the ES9218 has some really impressive specifications. If supports DSD and yet converts to PCM. I have a problem with that, it isn't functioning as it should. It supports 32 bit stereo at an outrageous 384Khz and yet decimates everything to to 48Khz. So that means for those of us who have invested in good pair of cans, we are upset.
I am glad you think is sounds good and I don't want to take away from your experience but it does not change the fact that 24bit 96/192khz files sound like crap coming out of this phone compared to a DAC outputting the signal correctly.
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@shadowxaero -
@beavis5706 mentioned in his testing of the V10 that:
"I have done some more tests given the information provided here and I have come up with some answers. An interruption when switching the DAC on/off signifies a player that can output true hi-res. I did some test recordings on Audacity through the input on my laptop with a music file that has known frequency response up to 88,200Hz. The players that can output true hi-res (the ones that interrupt with DAC on/off) play those frequencies all the way up with no cutoff. The players that cannot (no interruption with DAC on/off) are using Android's internal resampler and are getting resampled to 48kHz (24,000Hz frequency response).
The players I have found that can output true hi-res are ZPlayer, PlayerPro, Shuttle+ (thank you stupc), LG stock music player, Google Play Music and ES File Explorer media player.
Having said that my ears tell me that all players work with the DAC. However only the ones I have listed above can output true hi-res. The rest, while they do still sound good and do benefit from the DAC, are not outputting true hi-res and are instead being resampled to 48kHz." (from post #7 of http://forum.xda-developers.com/lg-v10/general/music-apps-using-dac-t3252596)
My understanding is that this is likely true for the V20 as well, as really only the OS and the hardware changed and it's extremely likely that LG did as little changes as possible considering their rocky start with the LG V10, which has the exact same re-sampling issue.
So that's 6 music player apps that actually bypass the down-sampling on the V10 and probably the V20, but the only way we can know for sure on the V20 is if someone with a similar test bench to @beavis5706 can replicate his work on the V10 testing music player apps on the V20.
So who has a good sound card, test tones over 24 KHz in a hires file, and Audacity or the like?
Just read a review that claims only Korean models of the G6 have HiFi DAC? Is that true? I just bought a G6 from AT&T because of their 50% discount, and I took it for granted that HiFi DAC will be featured. Anyone to confirm?
No quad DAC. U.S. version has wireless charging instead.
Never mind. I found the answer somewhere else. I am returning the phone and f**k you LG.
There's plenty of confirmation all over the internet mate. Never take things for granted.
http://www.phonemore.com/lg-g6/models/767
LMAO @ blaming LG for your stupidity.
Well its his fault for not reading before he purchased the phone, but its LG's fault that the phone didnt have the DAC in the 1st place. I love the phone, i like the phisical design and feel more than the S8 and S8+ however I do hate that LG chose for me that we people in America dont like/need the dac. Its just plain stupid on LG's part. They should have equipped the phone the best they could to fight the S8, not cripple it from the get go. As it is im happy with my G6 and will keep it, but i would be way more happier and satisfied if it had the DAC included.
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Yes I too am really pissed at LG for excluding the DAC here. For that reason I won't get rid of my V10. When V10 gets Nougat there is a chance I will sell my G6 instead.
I've been using VLC with my library of flac music files I transferred to a new 128gb Samsung microsxdc card ($30.99 on Amazon ftw!) and the built in 10 band equalizer over Bluetooth in my car. Just to report, the sound quality is just as good as plugging the phone into the aux port via the headphone jack. Very impressed with the sound quality on my Fender Audio System. I just wish LG would have included a nice set of headphones like the S8 plus received. I bought the S8 plus for a relative and she gave me the S8 plus AKG headphones. I was able to install the Comply TX-400 Isolation Plus earphone tips I had been using on a cheap pair of smokin' buds that I use when I mow. The sound from the earphone port using VLC is also excellent. I highly recommend using VLC, I was skeptical at first, but it's free and the equalizer sounds great. I really didn't know how to use it at first, but I played around with the levels till I got it to my liking. I started out with "rock" and went from there.
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I've been using VLC with my library of flac music files I transferred to a new 128gb Samsung microsxdc card ($30.99 on Amazon ftw!) and the built in 10 band equalizer over Bluetooth in my car. Just to report, the sound quality is just as good as plugging the phone into the aux port via the headphone jack. Very impressed with the sound quality on my Fender Audio System. I just wish LG would have included a nice set of headphones like the S8 plus received. I bought the S8 plus for a relative and she gave me the S8 plus AKG headphones. I was able to install the Comply TX-400 Isolation Plus earphone tips I had been using on a cheap pair of smokin' buds that I use when I mow. The sound from the earphone port using VLC is also excellent. I highly recommend using VLC, I was skeptical at first, but it's free and the equalizer sounds great. I really didn't know how to use it at first, but I played around with the levels till I got it to my liking. I started out with "rock" and went from there.
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I'm not sure how this helps lol. Comparing the DAC of a factory car audio system to the DAC in the phone
Hi guys, just want to know how is the sound quality in the NON QUAD DAC version. Is it good enough? Maybe like the HTC 10, Axon 7 or Galaxy S7 sound quality? I know it must be worse than the QUAD DAC version, but how much worse? Is it still worth it or if i'm looking for a good sound smartphone i should look for another one? Where i live the version being sold is the 32GB H870.
Same as like LG G4. Over compressed weak output.
My only hope:Root-custom kernel.soundmode (Imperium G4 rom included)
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Same as like LG G4. Over compressed weak output.
My only hope:Root-custom kernel.soundmode (Imperium G4 rom included)
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It's that bad? It doesn't has a more simple DAC? It's using the Qualcomm one?
Mate! The HTC 10 sound quality is worlds apart from this phone. I have the g6 and am returning it due to the weak audio output. Don't know why LG gave us Europe nothing. Oh well.
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Mate! The HTC 10 sound quality is worlds apart from this phone. I have the g6 and am returning it due to the weak audio output. Don't know why LG gave us Europe nothing. Oh well.
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That's sad to hear. I'm not going to buy it then.
I think it sounds pretty good.
General consensus is that it sounds just a bit worse than the V20's Quad DAC and better than Galaxy S7, close to HTC M10's quality. Most users and reviewers are impressed.
I believe it does have a DAC. At least i've read that somewhere but i'm not 100% sure.
Offcorse it all depends on headphones. If you have cheap, ****ty headphones no amount of DAC can help you.
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I think it sounds pretty great.
General consensus is that it sounds just a bit worse than the V20's Quad DAC and better than Galaxy S7, very close to HTC M10's quality. Most users and reviewers are impressed.
I believe it does have a DAC. At least i've read that somewhere but i'm not 100% sure.
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Its not anywhere near HTC 10 audio quality.
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Its not anywhere near HTC 10 audio quality.
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I don't own HTC 10 so i can't know that BUT i did see a lot of ppl on forums saying and agreeing it's pretty close to it quality wise.
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I don't own HTC 10 so i can't know that BUT i did see a lot of ppl on forums saying and agreeing it's pretty close to it quality wise.
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No no no. The HTC 10 has a built in DAC and a amp which really makes the music stand out compared to any other phone I have ever owned. Too bad I sold it after a year and upgraded to the g6.
The g6 is a amazing phone only let down by the audio output. If they put the quad DAC in all units then that would of made this phone godly.
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No no no. The HTC 10 has a built in DAC and a amp which really makes the music stand out compared to any other phone I have ever owned. Too bad I sold it after a year and upgraded to the g6.
The g6 is a amazing phone only let down by the audio output. If they put the quad DAC in all units then that would of made this phone godly.
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As i said i think it does have DAC. It is true that the output volume is not as high as M10's BUT that also depends on headphones.
If you got a pair of good headphones it's gonna sound great and loud. The headphones that come with G6 are pretty crappy tho...
All-in-all M10 is an audiophile phone so it's probably designed for high and low quality headphones meaning even crappy headphones sound okay-ish or at least a lot better than on other "normal" phones.
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As i said i think it does have DAC. It is true that the output volume is not as high as M10's BUT that also depends on headphones.
If you got a pair of good headphones it's gonna sound great and loud. The headphones that come with G6 are pretty crappy tho...
All-in-all M10 is an audiophile phone so it's probably designed for high and low quality headphones meaning even crappy headphones sound okay-ish or at least a lot better than on other "normal" phones.
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Yeah that's true. I'm using the hi Res headfones I got from the HTC 10. The g6 has no DAC. The sound quality is very poor for a flagship phone for £600 I must say. But each to there own.
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I use the free vlc player and the 10 level equalizer along with my library of flac music. I run it onto my fender audio system (jetta) via Bluetooth and the sound is incredible. Deep bass, great mids and vocals. The sound with the headphone jack into the aux port isn't noticably better. I highly recommend vlc's free player, I had no idea that it would sound so good. Just play around with each equalizer level till your music sounds the way you want it to. Make sure you start with the levels flat, then go from there. I also put my music on a 128gb Samsung microsdxc card which I purchased on Amazon for only 30.99 I also highly recommend this card. Not as fast as more expensive cards but sound quality can't be beat. Model MB-MP128D. Peace..
Sound is OK it's not bad. But compared to my V10 the sound pales. Not as clean output or wide/deep sound signature.
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LOL. Every digital device that outputs sound has to have a DAC (Digital to Analog Converter), it just converts those 1 and 0 binary codes to electric signal. It's just the quality differs due to price. Some DACs have enough power on their own to drive small headphones, what sets "audiophile" smartphones apart is the addition of an Amp, it takes the electric signal from DAC and amplifies it to drive more power to large headphones with high impedance.
Is there any point in keeping my g5 for its b&o dac or not I have a s8 now well law has had it 6months
Can I use Google headphone adapter from Pixel 2 on my LG G6? Dac and Amp inside Google's headphone adapter is pretty good and powerful, same as Iphone 7 headphone adapter. I bought G6 few days ago (version without Quad DAC) and I think this should be one of possible alternatives for great sounding headphones quality.
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Can I use Google headphone adapter from Pixel 2 on my LG G6? Dac and Amp inside Google's headphone adapter is pretty good and powerful, same as Iphone 7 headphone adapter. I bought G6 few days ago (version without Quad DAC) and I think this should be one of possible alternatives for great sounding headphones quality.
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Yes,
I use the adapter from an Essential PH-1
Normal one doesn't sound very good but with quad-DAC it is outstanding IMO.
quadacless g6 sound big nothing....
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Yes,
I use the adapter from an Essential PH-1
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How is it compared to Google's one? I know adapter from Google is sounding 99% same as one from Iphone. I haven't tried Google one yet, but one from Iphone is very powerfull and have wide sound stage. I don't know where tu buy it btw..
I want to know if TIDAL uses our HI-FI Quad Dac. I'm thinking about paying for an account if it could play HI-RES files from my v20.
Is it worth?
Thanks for your answers.
hi
I think what you was need HiFi Format from Tidal ( FLAC/APE/CUE 24bit/96 khz - 192 khz ) and too High Impedance earphones ( over 50 ohms )
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I think what you was need HiFi Format from Tidal ( FLAC/APE/CUE 24bit/96 khz - 192 khz ) and too High Impedance earphones ( over 50 ohms )
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Not sure why people keep thinking high impedance means better quality. All it means is it makes the sound much louder at lower volume.
People keep talking about ohms while not understanding what that actually is. I suggest looking up ohms law, then grab a clac.
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Not sure why people keep thinking high impedance means better quality. All it means is it makes the sound much louder at lower volume.
People keep talking about ohms while not understanding what that actually is. I suggest looking up ohms law, then grab a clac.
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I think you should send your comments to LG for selling a product that is advertised as HiFI and also indicates that your product is capable of handling sound equipment of those specifications
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I think you should send your comments to LG for selling a product that is advertised as HiFI and also indicates that your product is capable of handling sound equipment of those specifications
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Why would you even make a comment like that?
HiFi works on low impedance as well. That's also seen by the free B&O earphones we got that are 32 ohms. Again, ohms aren't a factor on music quality.
The DAC and earphones/headphones make the difference in quality.
You can buy an awesome pair of earphones for 1K that are only 34 ohms. Yes they are worth the money if you have it.
All ohms are for is how much power you need. That's it.
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Why would you even make a comment like that?
HiFi works on low impedance as well. That's also seen by the free B&O earphones we got that are 32 ohms. Again, ohms aren't a factor on music quality.
The DAC and earphones/headphones make the difference in quality.
You can buy an awesome pair of earphones for 1K that are only 34 ohms. Yes they are worth the money if you have it.
All ohms are for is how much power you need. That's it.
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Now that you mention it, I have had the opportunity to try the B & O and the headphones of a Nubia Z11 as well as the Headphones of a Huawei equipment and certainly the B & O headphones have the worst performance comparing them with the previous ones., Well as you say it is a subject of DAC / Earphone
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Now that you mention it, I have had the opportunity to try the B & O and the headphones of a Nubia Z11 as well as the Headphones of a Huawei equipment and certainly the B & O headphones have the worst performance comparing them with the previous ones., Well as you say it is a subject of DAC / Earphone
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I love the B&O, but that's always going to be subjective.
https://usa.1more.com/collections/headphones
I do imagine the $200 version would be much better then the B&O. Also giving more base which the B&O lacks. I know many people hate B&O due to the base really lacking.
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I love the B&O, but that's always going to be subjective.
https://usa.1more.com/collections/headphones
I do imagine the $200 version would be much better then the B&O. Also giving more base which the B&O lacks. I know many people hate B&O due to the base really lacking.
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thanks for the link now I check it
I had both Tidal and Spotify , cause Sprint gave me a 6 month free trial of HiFi Tidal.
Honestly Spotify sounded better with the use of an equalizer, Tidal was just OK but their app just isn't as well developed as Spotify for my taste.
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I love the B&O, but that's always going to be subjective.
https://usa.1more.com/collections/headphones
I do imagine the $200 version would be much better then the B&O. Also giving more base which the B&O lacks. I know many people hate B&O due to the base really lacking.
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the 1more previous version which are only 99 bucks are pretty damn good, yes the latest version is slightly better (Very slightly better, IMO not worth the extra 100 bucks)
I'd skip those and get the older ones.
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I had both Tidal and Spotify , cause Sprint gave me a 6 month free trial of HiFi Tidal.
Honestly Spotify sounded better with the use of an equalizer, Tidal was just OK but their app just isn't as well developed as Spotify for my taste.
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the 1more previous version which are only 99 bucks are pretty damn good, yes the latest version is slightly better (Very slightly better, IMO not worth the extra 100 bucks)
I'd skip those and get the older ones.
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Thing is, I'm not sure if tidal or Spotify is taking advantage of the quad DAC. When the LG V20 First came out, LG's own music app was not. Then came an update and LG's own music app started using it.
I don't know if it still holds true, but I think LG's stock music app only takes advantage of it.
I never answered you because I don't know myself.
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I got a pair of Sennheiser IE8, they may not be high impedance, but still a good pair of in-ear headphones.
My question is: Does Tidal outputs HI-Fi sample rate/bit-depth to headphones via Sabre DAC?
Or does it downsamples to 48kHz 16-bit like the most media players available in Playstore?
Thanks dudes.
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the B&O included on our phone were the low/cheap version. altough some people claim that the US variant had B&O H3 which are better. and i agreed to the person above, big impedance doesnt mean its better, i once join auidofans gathering on my region and some guy showing his tia fourte and guess what? that damn IEM only had 16ohm impedance and costing 3500k$ ( i could buy a damn car/motorbike/great pc gaming with that money) and the sound quality? damn man, it really blows up my heads. meanwhile, i also tested some guy's ks 500ohm and v20 easily drived it when other phone ( iphone 7 and S8) need external dac/amp to use it.
Salvaparalyzer said:
I got a pair of Sennheiser IE8, they may not be high impedance, but still a good pair of in-ear headphones.
My question is: Does Tidal outputs HI-Fi sample rate/bit-depth to headphones via Sabre DAC?
Or does it downsamples to 48kHz 16-bit like the most media players available in Playstore?
Thanks dudes.
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Honestly, I think it down samples like other media players.
That's why I stick to the stock LG music app. The other option is to root and use V4A. Then you can use anything and not worry.
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alldine345 said:
the B&O included on our phone were the low/cheap version. altough some people claim that the US variant had B&O H3 which are better. and i agreed to the person above, big impedance doesnt mean its better, i once join auidofans gathering on my region and some guy showing his tia fourte and guess what? that damn IEM only had 16ohm impedance and costing 3500k$ ( i could buy a damn car/motorbike/great pc gaming with that money) and the sound quality? damn man, it really blows up my heads. meanwhile, i also tested some guy's ks 500ohm and v20 easily drived it when other phone ( iphone 7 and S8) need external dac/amp to use it.
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I got the H3. They are entry level audiophile grade earphones. That's why people don't recommend them for the price they cost. At that cost, there are many mid entry-level earphones that are much better. Since they were free, I'm not going out to buy anything else since to me they are "good enough". When they break, I'll buy something that's mid entry-level earphones.
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the B&O included on our phone were the low/cheap version. altough some people claim that the US variant had B&O H3 which are better. and i agreed to the person above, big impedance doesnt mean its better, i once join auidofans gathering on my region and some guy showing his tia fourte and guess what? that damn IEM only had 16ohm impedance and costing 3500k$ ( i could buy a damn car/motorbike/great pc gaming with that money) and the sound quality? damn man, it really blows up my heads. meanwhile, i also tested some guy's ks 500ohm and v20 easily drived it when other phone ( iphone 7 and S8) need external dac/amp to use it.
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500 ohm ? Umm I looking for a earphones between 50-150 ... Hahaha ,
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Thing is, I'm not sure if tidal or Spotify is taking advantage of the quad DAC. When the LG V20 First came out, LG's own music app was not. Then came an update and LG's own music app started using it.
I don't know if it still holds true, but I think LG's stock music app only takes advantage of it.
I never answered you because I don't know myself.
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Well IMO it does, as simple as switching the DAC On/off and you can hear the difference... at least I do.
I gotta back up Broken, I have 9 ohm shure se846s on an adapter that bumps it up a few more that kick major ass if tuned correctly, what you're forgetting is most crappy poor built head/earphones are lower impedance and anything with high ohms. Use quality parts, that dont mean some low ones have quality. Most people are confusing the dac as only good in high mode which isn't true, bout all 500 ohm headphones are gonna be awesome if given the power to do so. They have heavier less easy to move parts which can have more precision, but require the power to do so, i have a subwoofer that has a 30 pound magnet behind the driver but also a 3000 watt digital amp and the woofer barely moves by hand, so when power stops it stops w/o flapping if that makes sense. Just cuz ur $30 earbuds suck don't mean they all do. There's benefits of high and low impedance which i will not get into.
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i have a subwoofer that has a 30 pound magnet behind the driver but also a 3000 watt digital amp and the woofer barely moves by hand, so when power stops it stops w/o flapping if that makes sense. Just cuz ur $30 earbuds suck don't mean they all do. There's benefits of high and low impedance which i will not get into.
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that's called "damping factor".
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Damping_factor
I would hazard a guess that you'd need a lab instrument to have conclusive evidence whether Tidal was using the Q-DAC or not, so that you can eliminate the audio quality perception of different loudnesses. This issue frustrates me, to know what apps and services actually give us the sound quality we want!
I have used Tidal for a year now and it is worth the $20 for me sounds killer. I happen to use the 1more 3 driver earbuds and love them too.
The tidal app sounds way better than spotify. I asked my wife to use tidal for a week and she said the spotify sounded terrible when she went back so now uses tidal. I also use the v20 for my home audio system and a big difference there too. If you don't invest in good speakers, buds, or phones don't waste your money.
No worries about the ohms stuff if your buds or headphones need the extra power to drive them they will have a higher impedance and the v20 will adjust accordingly.
I'll never get a phone without a hifi dac and headphone jack.
Hi experts,
I'm a long time Xiaomi user coming from Mi A1 thinking to buy this Mi 9T in US.
I'm not to happy with the A1 audio quality, especially over the headphones. I tried different brands, but not much luck. My GF has a note6pro, my family 5a..
Looking at the gsmarena site they are not impressed too with headphone test on this model, not sure it can be trusted though.
My main concern is the microphone and echo/noise canceling.
Can you guys give me a "real life review"?!
Check other thread, there many other (me included) confirm audio quality is suprisingly good, contrary to rumors. Maybe updates improved it?
I can say it is just as good as my amazing LG V20 with quad DAC! And the LG V series are the bechmark when it comes to android audio quality.
Only my problem is that volume is low, but AFAIK that is EU regulations, and should be easy to hack/fix, and would not apply anyway AFAIK for US version.
Just got my Mi 9T, and it is just STUNNING! A piece of art. I still catch myself staring at its beauty.
I would like to know about this too. And once again, there is NO EU regulation limiting volume. Manufacturers are meant to warn users when the volume is getting loud so they can confirm they want to proceed. If the phone companies can't read the rules, that's not the EU's fault. Enough with the fake news.
There's two modes of audio in the 9t "hi-fi" or regular.
I think that the option it's meant to switch from the audio chip modes, regular or performance (I think it's the best chip it has Qualcomm for audio, or at least they made it sound like that).
This performance mode uses more power, like 5 times more, and I am almost certain that gsmarena reviewed it without this setting on, that's why the poor results.
Look at this for more info of the chip.
https://www.qualcomm.com/products/wcd9375
Interesting for the consuption I didn't know ! and I can confirm that the sound quality is very good.
For the volume mine is very loud, impossible to put at max but it depend of your earphones impedance and many others things. (you have to play good quality sample music like FLAC and a good player like "AIMP" or "Poweramp" that can be "bit perfect"
Yes, I did a blind test against my creative Sound Blaster E1 (the phone supports DACs over USB C as well) and it is indistinguishable from that nice and proper DAC, IN THE HI-FI MODE. The source was lossless stuff from Tidal and the earbuds used were my trusty HiFiMan RE400a earbuds. I can verify that one has to listen at like two clicks below the full volume for everything to come through (i.e. the volume is a bit low, but baseline audio performance is excellent)
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Yes, I did a blind test against my creative Sound Blaster E1 (the phone supports DACs over USB C as well) and it is indistinguishable from that nice and proper DAC, IN THE HI-FI MODE. The source was lossless stuff from Tidal and the earbuds used were my trusty HiFiMan RE400a earbuds. I can verify that one has to listen at like two clicks below the full volume for everything to come through (i.e. the volume is a bit low, but baseline audio performance is excellent)
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That's nice to hear.
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That's nice to hear.
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I would be also interested in the microphone handling in the topic of Audit quality. On Mi A1 ppl always complained when I was using a headset as the noise canceling part did not work. Same for Speaker mode..
Also why "Hi-Fi audio" is not on by default as it claims to increase audio quality.
Regarding the phone calls I can tell that my factory set 9T is poor. I cannot hear and understand what people say when calling. (Never had this on any phone before) Weird sound and some echo. And nowhere any audio settings in phone.
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Regarding the phone calls I can tell that my factory set 9T is poor. I cannot hear and understand what people say when calling. (Never had this on any phone before) Weird sound and some echo. And nowhere any audio settings in phone.
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I don't have that problem. Phone calls are clear
Regarding audio quality over a headphone jack = it is worst audio quality I have ever tested from any smartphone be honest. I also know people who see it the same way. I went to Mi9T from Pocophone and never had this issue there - poco is still in my house, I gave it to my wife so I can really compare between the two. Tried both normal and hi-fi modes on Mi9T.
Audio over BT is fine on other hand - thats most important for me
I was testing audio quality on SONY WH-1000MX3
What could be the reason for this I dont know. The audio chip should be great. I have tried many versions of MIUI as well.
Tested right now with Beyerdynamic dt770 Pro 250 Ohm version. My source file is from deezer to have a better idea of an average quality of a song someone might listen to.
Hi-Fi is enabled and i can say that audio quality is pretty good. I wouldn't compare it to LG Quad Dac but the phone is powering 250 Ohm studio headphones very well.
People usually evaluate audio quality by the amount of bass. IMO its good enough.
@Nexus5-32GB I have the same impression. I came from a Zuk Z2 Pro and audio quality is poor. Bass is OK but mids and treble are too high. I'm using the same Senheiser MX-30G as always and the difference is noticiable even in Hi-Fi. My wife's Redmi 4A have better sound.
I am using poweramp music player to listen to music, and the audio quality is just superb! Previously I used google play music with mi sound enhancer and the audio quality is pretty mediocre compared to poweramp.
I tested hifi with AudioTechnica M50. It does make a difference and I feel it is a lot louder so much that I'm afraid of pushing volume to max. I like my hearing very much. You don't need portable amps with this phone for the most part. It's probably not audiophile approved or something like that but it sounds very full.
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@Nexus5-32GB I have the same impression. I came from a Zuk Z2 Pro and audio quality is poor. Bass is OK but mids and treble are too high. I'm using the same Senheiser MX-30G as always and the difference is noticiable even in Hi-Fi. My wife's Redmi 4A have better sound.
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What player are you using?
Using Google play the sound it's ****.
Using Tidal it's heaven, don't know why.
Exactly, if you use it right the sound is very good but if you listen mp3 with googlemusic, sure the best earphones can't do anything for you
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What player are you using?
Using Google play the sound it's ****.
Using Tidal it's heaven, don't know why.
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I don't think it's a player issue 'cause I always use the same player. I always compare the sound using Spotify. I use Spotify on all my family devices.
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I don't think it's a player issue 'cause I always use the same player. I always compare the sound using Spotify. I use Spotify on all my family devices.
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Yeah, it doesn't make any sense, I know, but in my case that happend, playing throug play music was horrible and understandable that people complain about it, but with Tidal it's beyond anything i've heard.
Other users have notified that they too notice when playing through play music.
actually is awesome
brombadeg said:
Hi experts,
I'm a long time Xiaomi user coming from Mi A1 thinking to buy this Mi 9T in US.
I'm not to happy with the A1 audio quality, especially over the headphones. I tried different brands, but not much luck. My GF has a note6pro, my family 5a..
Looking at the gsmarena site they are not impressed too with headphone test on this model, not sure it can be trusted though.
My main concern is the microphone and echo/noise canceling.
Can you guys give me a "real life review"?!
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Coming from a zte axon 7 I was really doubtful about the sound quality, but I'm impressed about it, it has a hifi logo on the box and sounds really good, with a couple of good headphones I can't listen no difference with the zte axon 7, also had a poco f1 and it sounds a thousand times better than the poco