How does the M3 compare to Nexus 7 FHD? - Huawei Mediapad M3 Questions & Answers

I have my trusty 2013 Nexus 7 FHD which is showing its age already big time. The thing is really slow and beat up.
My primary use is to load mkvs and download offline Netflix / Amazon movies to watch when I travel.
Nexus 7 users, how would you say the M3 stacks up against the N7? I am ok with root only and Nova launcher, don't care about custom ROMs

As a former owner of Nexus 7 2013 will say.
1) Size: Huawei it's a bit bigger, heavier, but thinner. Huawei wins.
2) OS: Nexus 7 gives much more freedom in installing whatever you want, where Huawei reduces your choice to EMUI only. It's not bad, I like this system, but Nexus is a winner here.
3) Performance: Snapdragon S4 Pro (or Snapdragon 600) in Nexus 7 is old now and doesn't give good performance. Kirin 950 is not the best CPU too, but it's faster any way. The question left it's GPU. Qualcomm's variant is better for games, has better capability with 3D, but in Nexus 7 it's old enough, so you won't play modern games on it. Neither you will on Mediapad. Huawei wins, but as for GPU I think it's a draw.
4) Memory: Nexus 7 has non extendable 32GB, Huawei has 64 + MicroSD. Huawei wins.
5) Sound: both devices have good sound, Huawei is louder and it's sound it's sharper, Nexus's sound is warmer and lampier. Draw.
6) Screen: FullHD on nexus 7 (okay, not full, a bit bigger), 7 inches. Huawei has QuadHD and 8.6 inches. Also I like Huawei's colors more than Nexus's. Huawei wins.
7) Cameras: both devices have sh...tty cameras. Draw.
So, you see, comparing this two devices is much like comparing an old notebook to the new one. The new one will win because it's new, but if you don't need all this new and in-trend stuff of new devices, you can pass by and stay on your current.

What about 2 GB of RAM vs 4 GB of RAM? SD 600 is a very old SoC and the GPU cannot be that bad compared to a GPU from 2013. I have a G Pad 8.3, it has the same Soc. I installed Nougat on it (AOSP) and I can already tell that the GPU is a little overwhelmed by the new games. It used to be ok on MarshMallow.

Thanks for your comments. It is so difficult to find a good replacement for the Nexus 7 2013, really sucks. Maybe an iPad 4 mini is in order

As long as I delete the cache now and then, the Nexus 7 remains perfectly usable. Only found browsing became a bit of a slug on it after Marshmallow, but UC browser seems to be the least demanding browser for me. Ran Puffin Browser before, but they changed the interface in the new version and was not to my liking.
Every Time I think about moving on, I ask myself what can't the Nexus 7 do anymore that a 2017 tablet in this range can. Newer games are probably its biggest challenge, but that's not an issue for me. BS player and Kodi continue to play everything I throw at it. The Meenova mini micro sd card expansion dongle stores media on 3 128gb cards I have sitting around and also works well streaming from a Seagate 2TB wireless drive, so storage isn't a problem. The LTE version I have works with project-fi which splits the load with my Nexus 6P so I don't drain the battery on my phone throughout the day. Battery life is around 80% of its original (accubattery), so that's not really a problem, so I've got nothing to complain about except the itch to upgrade to newer hardware. The m3 was at the top of my list when it first game out, but i decided it would have been an impulse buy that didn't really justify the cost at that point. In May, Lenovo is releasing its new 8 inch tab pro tablet. I'm going to wait to see what the reviews are like on that. Besides, if I've continued to wait this long, the rumor of a huawei M4 will probably be going about by the time I actually get around to making a decision.
For me, the Nexus 7 2013 remains to be a trustworthy companion, so its hard to just move on. Doesn't have the latest specs, but its functional for my needs and like I said if you clear the cache out within recovery mode, the performance is greatly improved.

callanish said:
As long as I delete the cache now and then, the Nexus 7 remains perfectly usable. Only found browsing became a bit of a slug on it after Marshmallow, but UC browser seems to be the least demanding browser for me. Ran Puffin Browser before, but they changed the interface in the new version and was not to my liking.
Every Time I think about moving on, I ask myself what can't the Nexus 7 do anymore that a 2017 tablet in this range can. Newer games are probably its biggest challenge, but that's not an issue for me. BS player and Kodi continue to play everything I throw at it. The Meenova mini micro sd card expansion dongle stores media on 3 128gb cards I have sitting around and also works well streaming from a Seagate 2TB wireless drive, so storage isn't a problem. The LTE version I have works with project-fi which splits the load with my Nexus 6P so I don't drain the battery on my phone throughout the day. Battery life is around 80% of its original (accubattery), so that's not really a problem, so I've got nothing to complain about except the itch to upgrade to newer hardware. The m3 was at the top of my list when it first game out, but i decided it would have been an impulse buy that didn't really justify the cost at that point. In May, Lenovo is releasing its new 8 inch tab pro tablet. I'm going to wait to see what the reviews are like on that. Besides, if I've continued to wait this long, the rumor of a huawei M4 will probably be going about by the time I actually get around to making a decision.
For me, the Nexus 7 2013 remains to be a trustworthy companion, so its hard to just move on. Doesn't have the latest specs, but its functional for my needs and like I said if you clear the cache out within recovery mode, the performance is greatly improved.
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Good points all around. Actually my only gripe is the lack of storage.
As mentioned I don't browse or play games, just use the tablet for movies.
I guess I will get a micro usb flash drive and use that as an extended memory when needed.

Reviving an old thread to ask for more opinions on whether the Huawei M3 is a worthwhile upgrade to the 2013 Nexus 7. I like the form factor of 7-8" tablets with widescreen.
I do not play many games on it, mostly web browsing and video from youtube or amazon instant video. The Huawei speakers are supposed to be louder and with better quality sound. Some of the reviews on amazon suggested it is a good upgrade for N7 owners. Also interested in sd card support and putting music library on it in. My N7 only has 16 gb internal storage, obviously less than that user available.
Also, I don't care about custom roms.

I bought a Mediapad M3, WiFi only. I like it quite a lot. I did not own a Nexus 7, but I had a G Pad 8.3 that I passed along in the family to replace a dead tablet. I do not regret buying it. I am not even mentioning that Nougat update will come and can be installed even now, although it does not appear to be final.

I replaced my Nexus 7 2013 with a Mediapad M3. I felt like I was holding out forever for a new Nexus tablet.
The M3 is less comfortable to hold and feels more fragile. I guess the screen is better but I can't really tell. I have a European version of the M3 but still it doesn't seem to want to connect to 5GHz, and I'm still running EMUI4.1. Seems to have better battery time, especially when watching x265 encoded videos. Speakers are a lot better, with the N7 I would use earplugs or a BT speaker but there's no need for that on the M3.
I'm fairly happy with it, overall. There is not a lot of options out there

Put some good headphones on the M3, you will be surprised how well it sounds. I have a pair of Sennheiser HD 202 II and they absolutely rock with the M3. I bought a second pair with sound controls for the G4 and the old G Pad 8.3, but it does not sound half as well as Sennheiser. I know Sennheiser HD 202 II are not that fancy, but they still are a little better than the average headset.

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[Q] Nexus 7 advantages compare to another 7 inch tablet

Hey man, I want to buy Nexus 7 because of its price ( cheaper than the other, LOL XD)
But I still cannot decide which one to buy ( N7 or Samsung galaxy tab 2 7 inch )
This what makes me worries :
- N7 can be cracked easily
- N7 don't have external memory ( and I already searched over and ONLY found the 32 GB version, which is too much for me and makes it expensive )
- I don't know if N7 can play lots of music / video formats
- I don't know if Google wants to make another 7 inch tablet with a low price ( N7 price is VERY lower than the other FAMOUS tablet out there).
So can you help me to :
- Give me what do you think of N7 advantages compare to Samsung 7 inch tablet ( because this tablet is his rival for me, LOL )
- Are my statements up there are correct or wrong ?
- Are you having issues with your N7 ? ( Please give what you do to solve it )
- CONVINCE me more about N7, LOL
- Anybody has news if google wants to make another 7 inch low price tablet ?
- Can you guys recommend me another 7 inch tablet ( no IPAD MINI or Kindle Fire )
Thx a lot guys!:fingers-crossed:
Nexus nuff said. You always get updates and no bloat.
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RivaultUser said:
Hey man, I want to buy Nexus 7 because of its price ( cheaper than the other, LOL XD)
But I still cannot decide which one to buy ( N7 or Samsung galaxy tab 2 7 inch )
This what makes me worries :
- N7 can be cracked easily
- N7 don't have external memory ( and I already searched over and ONLY found the 32 GB version, which is too much for me and makes it expensive )
- I don't know if N7 can play lots of music / video formats
- I don't know if Google wants to make another 7 inch tablet with a low price ( N7 price is VERY lower than the other FAMOUS tablet out there).
So can you help me to :
- Give me what do you think of N7 advantages compare to Samsung 7 inch tablet ( because this tablet is his rival for me, LOL )
- Are my statements up there are correct or wrong ?
- Are you having issues with your N7 ? ( Please give what you do to solve it )
- CONVINCE me more about N7, LOL
- Anybody has news if google wants to make another 7 inch low price tablet ?
- Can you guys recommend me another 7 inch tablet ( no IPAD MINI or Kindle Fire )
Thx a lot guys!:fingers-crossed:
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The N7 is amazing. Its a Nexus device so it is first in line for updates and will always have the latest software available first. I personally will never buy anything that's not labeled Nexus ever again, but then again I'm very into rooting and custom ROMs.
I see no evidence of any weak screen or crack threat. I have no lifting and my device seems very solid. Don't drop it.
I have 16 gig version and it has plenty of memory. I have 9 gigs used on my gnex and there's tons of crap on my SD card so I'm not worried about space.
Hardware wise it is superior to most all other tablets and if you root, install a custom kernel, you can over clock and improve speed and fluidity.
My mom has a kindle fire and the Nexus embarrasses it.
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i just picked up one last Friday at staples and man it is the best thing i ve bought for myself in a long time
now like the other post said i have no problem with lifting screen and it is very solid and stable. i have rooted it and tried a couple of roms
and its great if you download MX Player you can play just about any file format out the box. as for as dropping it ....DONT but that's common sense
get a case to protect it i just ordered the OEM case from amazon word of advise on the concern about the limited gb learn how to convert to MP4.H264 this is your best bet at getting the most out of your space and keep great video quality. music just use small bit-rate 128 should be fine and you should be great . i have 5 movies 1 season of true blood,3 videos and 5 albums and i still have 9 GB left so this is my advise good luck.
I got mine last week (32gb w/3G) rooted it and am having a blast with it. Loaded a couple of custom ROMs and lost 3G so I went back to stock rooted with no issues. I dumped the original Xoom for it and am not complaining. I picked up a Siedio case and have a 32gb Maxell AirStash on order for storage. I too could not decide between the GTab and the Nexus because I wanted LTE, but after getting the N7, even with having only 3G I am not disappointed.
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I got mine last week (32gb w/3G) rooted it and am having a blast with it. Loaded a couple of custom ROMs and lost 3G so I went back to stock rooted with no issues. I dumped the original Xoom for it and am not complaining. I picked up a Siedio case and have a 32gb Maxell AirStash on order for storage. I too could not decide between the GTab and the Nexus because I wanted LTE, but after getting the N7, even with having only 3G I am not disappointed.
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I'm jealous, I wish there was a Verizon model.
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I bought my nexus 7 (32gb as I always choose 32gb when possible) a few weeks back and have been so happy with it I haven't even rooted it. Build quality is excellent, none of the "common" problems here, plays any movie type I've tried using MX player, and plays any music file I've tried just fine with Google music. As for cracks, the screen is a 7 inch slab of glass, you want to do your best not to drop it. With that said I feel like my blurex case would do a decent job of protecting the screen from any potential mishaps, and the magnetic sensor that turns screen on and off as you open and close is freakin sweet!
And it's a nexus, once you try a nexus and experience the nexus difference you'll not want anything else.
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The Samsung Tabs are great. I have a first gen Samsung Galaxy 7" from Sprint that I run CM10 on (JB 4.1.2) and while it's thicker and has a lower resolution, it plays fine. That said, getting official support from Samsung is a joke. My Tab never made it past Gingerbread and if it weren't for the great devs (gods) the tab would be almost useless now.
Samsung likes to use its Exynos processor (which is awesome) but doesn't support 4G, so there tends to be lots of variants in hardware... which can really make or break a buy if you don't buy the right model that has the most support.
As far as hardware comparisons, why bother? They both have the same basic hardware and aside from one being a smudge faster then the other, feature differences are trivial EXCEPT for any of the NOTE line because of their PEN. If you have a specific use for a pen such as notes or drawing... there really is no other choice.
A 32gb N7 is more then sufficient in storage needs. After ditching a memory card on my Galaxy Nexus 32gb... I've grown kind of fond of larger single storage. You don't have to worry about where to store your stuff so that CMW will find it and let you flash, you also don't have to worry about SOME apps installing to internal while some install to external. You just have 1 large pool.
Lack of SD makes it a little complicated to transfer files on and off your tab, until you figure out there are easier and better ways such as WiFi File Explorer (recommended) or Cloud storage. WiFi File Explorer creates a Web-Enabled Server on your device which you can access from any Browser. Makes it easy to wirelessly transfer large files from device to device, such as phone to tablet.
The N7 feels great in the hand. The really only issue is screen lift on one side but seriously it is like 1mm difference that everyone is freaking out over. No one ever even notices it until someone mentions it and they go looking for it. Asus has corrected the problem and newer devices such as a 32gb or 3G are already fixed and should be a non-issue now.
I recommend the N7 to everyone and lots of family now own one. On the plus side, we have the latest Android with multiuser support and additional cool features. Only a few Samsung tabs will see this. PLUS in a year from now, we'll get bumped to 5.0 when the Samsung tabs are forgotten about. This makes for great resale value and life longevity.
The nexus 7 is a amazing tablet to use. Since it carry's the nexus name you can be sure there will be updates.
No matter if you choose to run it stock but rooted or choose to run custom ROM on it. Basic web surfing and watching some YouTube videos nets me little over 24 hours on a full charge.
If your thinking about buying a 7" tablet. Go ahead and buy the 32gb nexus 7 you will be glad you did. Just be careful don't drop it.
I owned my nexus 7 for two weeks now and love it. The nexus 7 is the 2nd android tablet I ever owned. The first being the older kindle fire but I sold it for the nexus.
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Better screen quality and quad core. Get a N7
If you need more storage than buy a otg cable and plug in a thumb drive
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I have a Galaxy Tab 7.7 with Verizon and just got a Nexus 7 with 3G because I'm fed up with Verizon and Samsung dragging their butts releasing updates. While the screen's a little smaller and HSPA+ is a slower than LTE, I'm not at all feeling like I downgraded.
Anyone in the market for a GT 7.7?
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Well, thanks a lot guys! Now I'm going to buy one N7!!!!!!!
N7 all the way! Just got one 2 days ago and wondered why didn't I get it earlier! Build quality is top notch but as with any tablet, be careful not to drop it! 4.2.1 is also an absolute joy to use
I would get the international version of the Samsung and use it as a phone. N7 may get that functionality with some awesome Dev work.....emphasis on the may.
RivaultUser said:
Hey man, I want to buy Nexus 7 because of its price ( cheaper than the other, LOL XD)
But I still cannot decide which one to buy ( N7 or Samsung galaxy tab 2 7 inch )
This what makes me worries :
- N7 can be cracked easily
- N7 don't have external memory ( and I already searched over and ONLY found the 32 GB version, which is too much for me and makes it expensive )
- I don't know if N7 can play lots of music / video formats
- I don't know if Google wants to make another 7 inch tablet with a low price ( N7 price is VERY lower than the other FAMOUS tablet out there).
So can you help me to :
- Give me what do you think of N7 advantages compare to Samsung 7 inch tablet ( because this tablet is his rival for me, LOL )
- Are my statements up there are correct or wrong ?
- Are you having issues with your N7 ? ( Please give what you do to solve it )
- CONVINCE me more about N7, LOL
- Anybody has news if google wants to make another 7 inch low price tablet ?
- Can you guys recommend me another 7 inch tablet ( no IPAD MINI or Kindle Fire )
Thx a lot guys!:fingers-crossed:
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- N7 can be cracked easily 【others are not as concrete as a brick either 】
- N7 don't have external memory ( and I already searched over and ONLY found the 32 GB version, which is too much for me and makes it expensive )【OTG will sovle this problem】
- I don't know if N7 can play lots of music / video formats【yes It really does】
- I don't know if Google wants to make another 7 inch tablet with a low price ( N7 price is VERY lower than the other FAMOUS tablet out there)【I donot judge a product just for its price and its worth, so the reason I buy it is I like it. xD. 】
VolantBear said:
- N7 can be cracked easily 【others are not as concrete as a brick either 】
- N7 don't have external memory ( and I already searched over and ONLY found the 32 GB version, which is too much for me and makes it expensive )【OTG will sovle this problem】
- I don't know if N7 can play lots of music / video formats【yes It really does】
- I don't know if Google wants to make another 7 inch tablet with a low price ( N7 price is VERY lower than the other FAMOUS tablet out there)【I donot judge a product just for its price and its worth, so the reason I buy it is I like it. xD. 】
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I disagree, I don't think the Nexus can crack easily. Me being stupid, I had put it in my pocket every day, which stressed the screen a little bit each day. It took 2 months to actually break, which to me seems like a long time. That's just my opinion though. As the the price, I think it should be a deciding factor, because why should you get an iPad Mini for example, when you could get N7 for $120 cheaper. I know there are some perks, but still.

[Q] Note 8 or Nexus 10

So I'm trying to decide between purchasing a note 8 or a Nexus 10. I'm coming from a Kindle Fire 8.9 rooted with cm10.1 installed on it. That said, I've had TONS of tablets. Original galaxy tab 7, hp touchpad, galaxy tab 10.1, nexus 7, original transformer, xoom 2, xoom 1, and the transformer pad. I'm a tech junkie(as a profession) so I know my stuff. The problem I'm facing between the two is that I love the 8" screen, the quad core processor, sd expandability, and the ability to use hspa+. However the nexus 10 offers much more developer support, had that amazing high res screen, really good speakers, and stock android. Ish if anybody has had both and has preferences...or any arguments either way? If so it would be a HUGE help. THANKS!
Additionally I would make use of the spen because I do a lot of note taking on my tablet. But currently I just type everything out. That said, the Motorola xoom 2 uses a pointed stylus I believe the nexus could use if I wanted to.
Do you have a link to that stylus?
It all comes down to pen or no pen, is what it is. Do you want to draw and/or handwrite on it? If so, go for Note. If not, then keep what you have.
lp894 said:
So I'm trying to decide between purchasing a note 8 or a Nexus 10. I'm coming from a Kindle Fire 8.9 rooted with cm10.1 installed on it. That said, I've had TONS of tablets. Original galaxy tab 7, hp touchpad, galaxy tab 10.1, nexus 7, original transformer, xoom 2, xoom 1, and the transformer pad. I'm a tech junkie(as a profession) so I know my stuff. The problem I'm facing between the two is that I love the 8" screen, the quad core processor, sd expandability, and the ability to use hspa+. However the nexus 10 offers much more developer support, had that amazing high res screen, really good speakers, and stock android. Ish if anybody has had both and has preferences...or any arguments either way? If so it would be a HUGE help. THANKS!
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I was looking at the Note 8, especially because of that 3G radio, but that WXGA 189 ppi screen resolution killed it for me. Let me explain. I picked up a Zenbook Prime ultrabook with a 1080p 165 ppi screen last summer and was blown away by how great it looked, particularly with the matte screen. Then I got my first tablet, a Nexus 10, in January and its screen soon made me look down on the Zenbook's screen by comparison, that's how great the WQXGA 300 ppi screen is. :highfive: Once you step up to retina-level ppi, it's tough to go back.
That said, you've pretty much summed up the strengths of each tablet. It really depends on how mobile you need your tablet to be and how much you'd use the stylus, I only use my Nexus 10 around the house so it works better for me. That beautiful screen is also its weakness, as it sucks power like crazy. I always keep it on the low end of the brightness scale (lowest brightness setting allowed, which is still surprisingly bright, in a dark room, maybe 35% setting during the day) and the screen still consistently eats 60-70% of the power for me, according to the battery stats. It goes about 6-6.5 hours of continuous use on a single charge, best case (holds charge fantastic, kept using it sporadically for almost two weeks on a single charge one time).
I estimate that the Exynos 5 Dual in the Nexus 10 pulls about 5 W on average, up to 9-10 W max, which is a lot, even with a 33.75 Wh battery. I'd check the Note 8's reviews to see if it does any better, here's one you could read. The Nexus 10 can get pretty hot up top where the logic board is, though not as bad as some of the hottest devices, and you're not going to hold it up there anyway. I was surprised at how heavy 603 grams felt in my hands, I suggest you try holding one before you decide. At 338 grams, the Note 8 is almost half the weight.
The front-facing speakers are good on the Nexus 10, but the maximum volume is not as high as I'd like. You never know how high the volume is going to be on various videos and not being able to compensate by turning the volume up enough can be annoying. The camera may be the weakest link, just mediocre. I'd expect the Note 8 to have a better one on the back, though the front camera on the Nexus 10 has 50% more megapixels.
If I were you, I'd wait for the next Nexus 7, which is supposed to launch with a Full HD screen in a month or so. If you really need a good stylus, the Note 8 has a Wacom digitizer built in, so it can't be beat. If you want the gorgeous screen and don't mind the stuff I pointed out, Nexus 10. For all the flaws I've listed in the Nexus 10, I'm very happy with it, only big complaint is with Android web browsers generally, but that's a whole different Android software issue.
The other thing...is that I can get the nexus 10 for $260 (16gb model...used of course but in new condition), and the note 8 for $300. Makes it a bit of a tougher choice seeing as how I can get either relatively inexpensive lol. I'd wait for the next Nexus 7 but I had it right before I got my Kindle fire 8.9" and 7" just doesn't do it for me. Thing is...idk if that 8" will do it for me either(that sounds iffy LOL!) thats why I don't want the next Nexus 7
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The other thing...is that I can get the nexus 10 for $260 (16gb model...used of course but in new condition), and the note 8 for $300. Makes it a bit of a tougher choice seeing as how I can get either relatively inexpensive lol. I'd wait for the next Nexus 7 but I had it right before I got my Kindle fire 8.9" and 7" just doesn't do it for me. Thing is...idk if that 8" will do it for me either(that sounds iffy LOL!) thats why I don't want the next Nexus 7
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Have you considered the Galaxy Note 10? It's pretty much the same thing, just stretched out to 10" with a battery that holds 50% more juice. Other specs might be slightly worse since it's older, for example, the same CPU but at a lower frequency, but it has a 3G radio and the stylus/digitizer that you wanted. I suggest you go to a store and handle these tablets before deciding, if you're not sure if 7-8" will do it for you.

Nexus 7 (2013) or LG G Pad 8.3?

I'm about to sell my Nexus 10 to buy a smaller tablet. The Nexus 10 is great but it's too big to use comfortably daily. Playing games is almost impossible and holding the tablet in portrait it's too uncomfortable.
I've narrowed it down to the new Nexus 7 or the upcoming LG G Pad 8.3. I prefer the LG because 8 inches seems to be the perfect screen size for gaming, video playback, web browsing and PDF reading.
The Nexus 7 has great price, updates, great stock experience and it's already available. But I feel I would get tired of the small screen too quickly. Reading PDFs would be almost impossible, as well as web browsing.
I've been thinking about it for days and still can't decide.
Do you guys that own the Nexus 7 feel the screen is too small after a few months with it? I'll be using the new tablet at home always. I think the LG is great because it's the first 8 inch tablet with 1080P screen. The snapdragon 600 inside is also better and the battery is bigger also, but I know I wouldn't get updates. This wouldn't be too much of a problem if the tablet works for me. I think I could keep an 8 inch tablet longer than a 7.
No. In fact I think the size is perfect. Its wide enough to hold in one hand comfortably (portrait). It fits in my front jeans pocket (barely). Big enough to do whatever on.
The N7 uses an under clocked S600. It has updated cores and GPU. I don't know why they called it an S4 Pro. So speed wise you will see very little difference.
LG never supports their products. It will probably come out with 4.2.2 just as we're getting 4.4. They have horrible update schedules. You're lucky to get one OS update before EOL. Development on them are also lacking. They usually come locked without an easy way to unlock. The LG G2 is rooted by a special method but remains locked.
It will probably never see an update past 4.4
I wouldn't pick a LG device unless I gave it several months to settle and see where it ends up with updates and dev. They make some great hardware but really botch up the software and support. The G2 seems like a great phone out of the box but will be left in the dust in a few months. Take your chances with their tablet but think about one thing:
How well will you like it in a year when the N7 has the latest and greatest Android (5.0?) and cool ROMs and mods, and you're stuck on an iffy modified stock rom with no support?
I left the Nexus line once, and it was rough.
The 7" is very nice because you want to downsize for toting. It fits easier into your coat pockets and lighter. 7 and 8 inches aren't that different unless you are comparing. Standalone you won't even notice the difference.
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Actually the N7's 7 inch display isn't too small for PDF and web browsing. Given its retina grade PPI, words are crisp even when they are zoomed out. I've been using it for my classes which I read PDF PowerPoint slides on daily basis, and I am happy with it. :good:
7 inch is also the largest you can get for comfortable 1 hand use with portrait mode. 8 inch tablets has to be held with 2 hands even in portrait.
You lay down, put tablet on your belly. Can be held with one hand...
So size doesn't matter.
Reading? n7 is good... No more headaches.
Oh well go with n7 and next year maybe a nexus8 will come out.
It sounds like you've answered your own question, you find 7" tablets to small. Both are excellent tablets, you can't really go wrong with either of them.
I've not used a Nexus 7 but have used a Galaxy Tab 2 7" and I thought the size was great for what it was, small, pocketable but 7" tablets are rather small for day to day use (they're fine for reading PDFs though, Kindles are even smaller).
Personally I find 10" tablets to big.
For me the iPad Mini is pretty much the perfect tablet size but Apple products interest me not. I was interested in the Galaxy Tab 3 8" but oddly for Samsung their Galaxy Tab specs are low. I understand both the Galaxy Tab 3 8" and LG G Pad 8.3 are roughly the same size and crucially aspect ratio as the iPad Mini.
It's the wider nature of 8" tablets that interest me and of course the LG G Pad 8.3 is a much better tablet than the Galaxy Tab 3 8".
Sure I doubt LG will upgrade the version of Android much (if at all), their track record is poor but you know what Android 4.2.2 is already a decent version of Android and it's not as if Android 4.3/4.4 add much.
Yes not getting Android 5.0 (possibly) would irk me but it's all about the size and aspect ratio with a tablet for me and 8" tablets are the "sweet spot". Plus I like the look of QSlide, it doesn't look as useful as Samsung's Multi-Window but is the next best thing. Being able to display two apps at once on a tablet is genuinely useful.
p.s - IMO this whole phones/tablets not getting the latest Android version is overrated, you've still bought a decent product (hopefully) and the past few Android upgrades have been minor anyway. Android 4.0 came out 2 years ago!
Reading is amazing especially with Play Books on N7
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I think the LG is better. But nobosy knows when it will be released..
I had the Nexus 7(2013) and returned it because of the nonfunctional GPS and random reboot issues. From what I understand, the GPS now works, but the reboot issues persist, and some still complain of multitouch issues.
I've got the LG G2 and it's the best phone I've ever owned. With that said, I'm looking forward to the G Pad. The Q-Pair software looks really slick, in that you can tether to your phone(supposedly any Android phone) for a data connection with one click. It will also send and receive texts and phone calls from a connected phone.
As to the comments about one handed use, the G Pad is a hair under 1/2" wider than the Nexus 7, thanks to the thin bezel. LG supposedly studied average hand sizes to come up with comfortable overall dimensions.
I'd say if you want the bleeding edge latest-greatest version of Android, and can live with the smaller screen, Asus build quality, and random reboots, go with the Nexus 7.
If you don't mind slow or no software updates, but want a bigger screen, most likely superior build quality, and hopefully no random reboots, go with the G Pad 8.3. That said, I'd still wait for it to hit the market to see if any serious issues surface.
I'm in the same situation as you. I currently have the nexus 7 and love the screen quality and all. It's good for reading super small texts but I've always felt like 8 inch screen was the perfect size. I'm waiting to see when the lg comes out and the price. If it's $299, that's a bargain and I'm probably gonna sell my nexus 7 and get the LG. I'm not too worried about software with the LG because I know I'm gonna end up rooting it and installing AOSP on it eventually.
Also I feel like the nexus 7 doesn't have a great build quality. my nexus 7 most likely has a grounding issue (ie: I have touches not registering when I place it flat on my bed or table) but who knows maybe lg will have the same problem. I would say wait for lg to come out, play with it, then make your decision
LG is terrible with releasing updates for their products. I'd actually wait a bit to see if the dev community does anything for it. I had a phone from them that they basically stopped doing updates for a month after it was released, rendering it useless. I had bought it on the basis that they were going to release an update for it, and after a year, they didn't.
My Nexus 7 2013 have been great, and have neither multitouch or random reboot issues. If the Gpad can be rooted/unlocked/restored as easily as Nexus 7 and have a Dev community just as large I might consider it. Otherwise I prefer the Nexus 7.
I have an N7 2013 running PA to get the Tablet UI, which I feel works much better than Phablet mode (lots more real estate).
I do feel the N7 bezels are a waste and would much prefer an 8" tablet with much smaller bezels. I had an iPad mini before the N7 (my wife has it now!) and as much as iOS is boring, it worked much better as a tablet in terms of its size. So I'm thinking the LG would close that gap.
Like others, however, I feel it would need to be BL unlockable to make the switch. I have hope only because it's a WiFi only device, thus no carriers to be beholden to.
LG G Pad 8.3 to be available October 14th in Korea and other markets by the end of the year.
Price: 510$.
Ouch. Ouch. Ouch.
I love the new N7. I just got rid of my iPad 3, it was big and of course boring. I'm not experiencing any of those issues, I rooted and unlocked it straight outta the box, still running stock ROM. It's great for web browsing and everything else of course. I personally think this is the best tablet on the market. You can't go wrong with price, usability and support from Google and XDA.
For on the go, I like the 2013 N7. My 2012 got really laggy even after the update. There are a few bugs still with the touch response, but its better now. Ill still use an iPad 3 at home, mainly because the wife prefers Apple. The LG looks like it could be nice, but not for the rumor prices.
It's really about the tradeoff you want to make. The new N7 is great and it wins where Nexus devices win: frequent updates, freedom to flash and competitive pricing. If you're a person (like me) who likes to muck about a lot, there's no alternative. With non-Nexus devices, I think you have to ask yourself if you're potentially comfortable with that device as-is for the entire time you own it. If it never got a new feature or the newest OS base and the like, would you be satisfied with the purchase? If you feel good saying yes to that, it sounds to me like the screen size is a big feature for you, so I'd go that way. If you're putting your faith in an OEM to fix or improve software, there's history to support the conclusion that you will generally be disappointed, as a rule of thumb. Just go into the purchase with your eyes open to that likely scenario and you'll be fine.
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Today I went to a store to try again the Nexus 7 and I think I'm sold. Great screen, great materials, very nice to hold with one hand, stock android, etc. Then I tried the Note 8.0 and Tab 3 8.0 and they felt heavier and my hand got tired much quickly than with the Nexus 7. Screen was not that bad, but comparing touchwiz to stock on the Nexus 7 showed me again stock is better for a tablet.
I'm not gonna wait for the LG. Will try the Nexus 7 for a week and see how that goes.
Fistly, for comparing, we must try in hand G8.
I bought a month ago N7 lte, and now thinking to try G8, and if it will be the same in tactical feelings i prefer 8 inch vs 7 inch.
10 inches is big for mobility, 7 - small for reading. 8 - best compromise.
And of course, price is one more important factor.
Awesome. Awesome. Awesome.
This tablet is great. Bought it today to replace my Nexus 10, which is a great tablet but I just can't use it comfortably holding it for hours. Too heavy and big. Playing games was impossible, as doing almost everything else.
I wasn't quite sure about 7 inches, but after a couple of hours playing with the device I can say it's great. It's AWESOME being able to hold the tablet with one hand for long periods of time without problems.
The screen is even better than the one in my Nexus 10: more bright and better colors. It just pops out.
The performance is great also. It may be slightly slightly faster and more fluid. It's great having such a good GPU: the adreno 320. I've gotalso more RAM available now, since with the Nexus 10 we were losing more and more RAM with every update Google released. They were giving more memory to the GPU and in the end I only had 500MB free. Now I have 1,2GB! This is after all apps installed and everything obviously.
It's so light and comfortable. In the end this is the most important feature.
I'm super impressed with the quality of the speakers! So loud and clear! I got the 32GB model for 249. Great price.
I can definitely see that Google has put more care in the software performance of this device than on the Nexus 10. Performance is consistent, no lags, no reboots or freezes for now. Even touch response is better than on the Nexus 10. Trust me.
I can finally play games comfortably and do everything without having to hold in my hands such a huge tablet. No more 9 inch tablets or bigger for me thanks. Even 8 inches seems big now. I actually tried the Note 8.0 and Tab 3 8.0 on the store before buying the Nexus 7 and they weren't as comfortable to hold as the Nexus 7. The plastic was horrible and it slips out of my hands. Touchwiz didn't perform half as quick and smooth as stock on the Nexus 7.
This is the best experience I've had with Android definitely. Can't imaging how Google will be able to improve this hardware anymore in the next versions. The materials are excellent, screen can't be better, loud speakers... and I'm even getting great battery life.
Now just waiting for 4.4. So happy right now. Selling my Nexus 10 this week.
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That's the conversion price. you can't go off of that because the US price will be different from the won price. example: the note 8 has the same won price as the lg g pad but only costed $400 in the US. the ipad mini was 640,000 won (vs 650,000 for note 8 and lg g pad) and only costed $329 in the US. only way to tell the true cost will be to wait until they release that info for the US, which is after South Korea so next!

[q] should i buy nexus 7

OK so I know I probably came to the wrong thread, but my question is aimed specifically at people who use the nexus 5 and also own a nexus 7. Is the screen that much of a difference? Is it worth being a companion to my pretty big nexus 5 or should I not waste my dinero and buy a mid range tab for a bigger contrast in screen size? I was thinking lg g pad cause of the processor upgrade from the nexus 7, screen size, and storage expansion. but it is early 2014 not sure if I should wait for this years tablets to come out and make a decision.
most people here are using the original nexus 7 from 2012,you can buy one of those for around $90 on craigslist or around 110 on ebay.
i dont have a nexus 5 but i own a droid dna and the nexus 5 has a slightly bigger screen but honestly,a 7 inch tablet is way better for reading or just laying down and watching a movie compared to most phones, even the bigger ones.
if i were you ,id get the newer nexus 7 tho ,its slimmer and has better specs,but the original can be bought cheap and it will still handle pretty much anything as the specs are not too outdated yet,
N7 is awesome. Its the perfect size and imo the best bang for your buck device
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Can we help you with Buying your Undies too.
I have a Note 2 phone with 5.5 inch screen. The 7 inch screen is so much better then even this monster phone.I also have a note 10.1.. I love the screen size on it.But it does not fit in my purse.
I would say yes its worth it ..But you gotta ask yourself some questions. How much money you are willing to spend. Do you need it NOW. How much storage space do you need. Do you need a network radio in it .
After you come up with the above answers if . question one is you have plenty of money and question 2 is you DO NOT have to have it this day. Wait and get the next greatest thing. a
Well you can figure the rest out.
I can tell you its a awesome device.. GET 32 GB Version. You will be glad you did.
Good Luck
They're exactly the same interface and software wise, except some apps are displayed in tablet mode, which is usually better but sometimes worse. Another difference is also that in landscape, the virtual buttons are portrait on the right on Nexus 5 and on Nexus 7 they are landscape on the bottom, wasting precious screen height. These virtual buttons are the only thing I hate about the Nexus 7, after removing them with apps in the Store, you gain a lot of screen space. However, Nexus 5 is 16:9, while Nexus 7 is 16:10, so the visible screen is more or less the same in the end.
I mostly use it in portrait mode because of that.
As I said, that is the only thing that bugs me about it. Otherwise, it's a great little tablet, great size for watching movies, series on the go (or in bed), it should play all games available in the Store and do all other unproductive things you can do on a tablet.
I had a 2011 Xperia Arc S before, and with it's single core CPU it quickly failed to play latest games, that's why I resorted to the Nexus 7.
Nexus 5, however, is newer, has the latest hardware and is capable of playing anything you throw at it, so getting a Nexus 7 is really only for extra screen size, but it does pay off. Maybe diagonal isn't the best measure, try screen area:
Nexus 5: 69 cm^2
Nexus 7: 142 cm^2
So the screen is actually double the size of the Nexus 5, and it's noticeably bigger when watching videos.
If you're going to mostly use it to watch videos, get the N7, if you're primarily going to surf the internet and read documents and such, I'd recommend you to check out the 8" tablets LG Pad 8.3 and Samsung 8" (tab or note), both come with buttons on the side and therefore have more vertical pixels (both 16:10).
Then there's also 2013 Nexus 7, with latest chip and 16:10 fullHD but it's quite pricier then its 2012 brother.
Why would you need a tablet for anyway? If you want it because it's popular, then forget about it. If you have other reasons, write them down, it's easier to recommend that way.
I would highly recommend the original Nexus 7 (as long as you don't need HDMI out) ts still a great tablet and works well and you can get it for a great price. I would highly recommend you DON'T get the 2013 it has known defects with the screen (do some research).
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I would highly recommend the original Nexus 7 (as long as you don't need HDMI out) ts still a great tablet and works well and you can get it for a great price. I would highly recommend you DON'T get the 2013 it has known defects with the screen (do some research).
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It works great for me, it is highly customizable, gets latest android,price is great for the 2012 model.
I own both, Nexus 5 and Nexus 7 (2012). Have to say that N5 screen is awesome, but still N7 screen is nice and totally usable and it's so cheap, that you can later easily change to some other device if you want.
One good thing is that, the Nexus 7 is still supported by Google so you get official updates at least some time. When Google drop support, then you can always use custom roms.
Personally I buy only Nexus devices, because they get always best support from Google and maybe best community support.
Is there any noticeable lag if using the stock 4.4.2 ? For example newer games etc
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Is there any noticeable lag if using the stock 4.4.2 ? For example newer games etc
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I don't play much games, but on normal usage stock 4.4.2 is working smoothly without any noticeable lag. And yes, you can't compare speed to N5, but old N7 is not bad at all if we compare example to N4.
Do you have some free example game(s) what you mean? I can test and let you know is it working smoothly or not... Maybe this info is useful to @BNNEBULA too.

Any other Nexus 9 owners considering an upgrade?

Seems like currently (August 2018) the options are Huawei Mediapad M5 or the Samsung Galaxy Tab S4.
I still use my Nexus 9 a lot but the speed and deteriorating battery life is starting to become a daily frustration. I still like the tablet and always did, but it's time to upgrade. Four years is reasonable enough considering the price I bought it for in 2014. I really considered the Galaxy Tab S3 last year but decided to hold out.
The Tab S4 is clearly the best Android tablet right now but £600 for the lowest model feels obscene considering the Nexus 9 was half that.
So enter the Mediapad M5 (either the 8 or 10 size), which is a more realistic price but I'm not sure how good the community will be long term now given recent Huawei controversy. Also the Kirin 960 is slower than the Tab S4's Snapdragon 835 (which should have been 845 but whatever). Also no headphone jack.
Anyone else in a similar position?
I recently bought the xiaomi mi pad 4 to replace my Nexus 9. Nice little tablet and cheap as the same time.
I have tried many Android tablets and never considered an iPad. But now I have got an iPad 2017 since I need an iOS device for work. I must admit I was wrong about the iPad. Absolutely the best tablet I have tried. So smooth UI and web browsing. Google's apps work really good and other popular apps are more tablet optimized than on Android. Outstanding battery life. For it's price I think the iPad is hard to beat.
And I think it's amazing that the iPad Air that launched with iOS 7, soon five years ago, will get iOS 12.
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I have tried many Android tablets and never considered an iPad. But now I have got an iPad 2017 since I need an iOS device for work. I must admit I was wrong about the iPad. Absolutely the best tablet I have tried. So smooth UI and web browsing. Google's apps work really good and other popular apps are more tablet optimized than on Android. Outstanding battery life. For it's price I think the iPad is hard to beat.
And I think it's amazing that the iPad Air that launched with iOS 7, soon five years ago, will get iOS 12.
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The iPad just won't do what I want a tablet for unfortunately. I usually throw a bunch of movies on a USB stick and watch on the road. But other than that, they are pretty nifty.
I'm planning on waiting for me Chromebook Tablets. Currently I'm eyeing the HP x2 .. but we will see what comes out. ChromeOs but able to run Android apps.
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The iPad just won't do what I want a tablet for unfortunately. I usually throw a bunch of movies on a USB stick and watch on the road. But other than that, they are pretty nifty.
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Ipad/iphone are able to use specific usb stick just like OTG.
Or did i get you wrong?
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Ipad/iphone are able to use specific usb stick just like OTG.
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You're right, I forgot about that. Expensive sticks though.
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You're right, I forgot about that. Expensive sticks though.
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Actually is not that expensive, at least i got mine around 20usd.
It have micro sd/ sd card as storage so you can expand it up to 128GB if not mistaken.
Mine have Lightning,micro usb and usb port, quite good as it can be use for android and IOS too...
I am still trying to decide what to do.
I like the HP X2 Detachable chromebook, but felt it should have more than 32Gb of storage, and I'd also prefer a 10" screen rather than 12.3"
The S3 was ruled out last year due to no real development for it. Plus those backwards Samsung buttons.
S4 is really pricey and you have to deal with the samsung lock down on the bootloader.
Currently I've supported this on Indiegogo
https://www.indiegogo.com/projects/...ntertainment-bluetooth-computers/x/19180545#/
It's not the best spec wise but it's got the same screen as the S4 and at $219 it's hard to beat Plus XDA say that they are working with Alldocube to ensure it's developer friendly.
https://www.xda-developers.com/alldocube-x-10-5-inch-android-8-1-oreo/
Of course I'm also waiting to see what happens with the upcoming ChromeOS tablets. Rumors point to 3 coming out in the fall.
I still use my N9 almost every day. I love the form factor of it and the 4:3 ratio screen is great for ebooks or magazines.
And if you don't mind not having youtube the latest 8.1 builds are pretty nice for it. I'm using AICP at the moment.
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I am still trying to decide what to do.
I like the HP X2 Detachable chromebook, but felt it should have more than 32Gb of storage, and I'd also prefer a 10" screen rather than 12.3"
The S3 was ruled out last year due to no real development for it.
S4 is really pricey and you have to deal with the samsung lock down on the bootloader.
Currently I've supported this on Indiegogo
alldocube-x-tablet-for-high-quality-entertainment-bluetooth-computers
I still use my N9 almost every day. I love the form factor of it and the 4:3 ratio screen is great for ebooks or magazines.
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I hear ya, I've looked into the Alldocube as well, but the CPU is too inferior to consider. Plus the battery life may not be very good with that CPU. They only claim 8 hours [so realistically looking at 5-6]. Everything else sounds good.
Mi Pad 4 Plus was just released last week. It is looking pretty good. Has a fingerprint reader which the non-plus didn't have. Xiaomi has good software support, I owned a Redmi Note 4 and really enjoyed it.
10" screen, at 1920x1200. But the battery has been tested for 19+ hours, which is pretty spectacular. CPU is decent.
Right now the price is a bit higher than it should be, retails for $279USD in china, china dealers are at $359USD right now, but I expect it to drop in the coming months. At MSRP price I would buy it.
I picked up a refurbished HP Pro Slate 8 a few months ago. At this point I only care for 4:3 or 3:2 screens and I want them to be pocketable. 8" 4:3 fits in my back pocket. And I like buying second hand so they are cheap and essentially disposable. Because lets not kid ourselves - these things are worthless / failing in a few years no matter what.
Otherwise for anything bigger I would strongly suggest a second hand Surface Pro 4/5. You can get real work done on those and they are super fast.
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Seems like currently (August 2018) the options are Huawei Mediapad M5 or the Samsung Galaxy Tab S4.
I still use my Nexus 9 a lot but the speed and deteriorating battery life is starting to become a daily frustration. I still like the tablet and always did, but it's time to upgrade. Four years is reasonable enough considering the price I bought it for in 2014. I really considered the Galaxy Tab S3 last year but decided to hold out.
The Tab S4 is clearly the best Android tablet right now but £600 for the lowest model feels obscene considering the Nexus 9 was half that.
So enter the Mediapad M5 (either the 8 or 10 size), which is a more realistic price but I'm not sure how good the community will be long term now given recent Huawei controversy. Also the Kirin 960 is slower than the Tab S4's Snapdragon 835 (which should have been 845 but whatever). Also no headphone jack.
Anyone else in a similar position?
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I replaced my battery and its good as new.
Bought recently Huawei M5 10.8 for about 300€ - nice new tab, not sure what to do with my N9 now but I feel your pain, its slow and sluggish.
I went ahead and purchased a Mi Pad 4 Plus. It is pretty darn good!
Took a little bit to get everything setup [this being XDA, installing the google services shouldn't be hard at all].
Screen is great, performance is great. Battery life is outstanding. Having a fingerprint reader is essential for me, have read lots of complaints how face ID unlock is terrible for tablets. Fingerprint works flawlessly on this.
The speakers are a bit tinny, but they are very loud.
Overall, 2 days in and I have nothing bad to say about it. Oh, and it cost less than half the price of a Samsung Tab S4! MSRP is $279 USD. Is still selling above that right now, but it is still worth it!
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I went ahead and purchased a Mi Pad 4 Plus. It is pretty darn good!
Took a little bit to get everything setup [this being XDA, installing the google services shouldn't be hard at all].
Screen is great, performance is great. Battery life is outstanding. Having a fingerprint reader is essential for me, have read lots of complaints how face ID unlock is terrible for tablets. Fingerprint works flawlessly on this.
The speakers are a bit tinny, but they are very loud.
Overall, 2 days in and I have nothing bad to say about it. Oh, and it cost less than half the price of a Samsung Tab S4! MSRP is $279 USD. Is still selling above that right now, but it is still worth it!
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Mipad4 outstanding tablet but the biggest drawback is sound speakers. It's bottom of the tablet not front Like Lenovo Tab 4 or Huawie Media Pad 5 or Samsung A 10.1(2018).
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Mipad4 outstanding tablet but the biggest drawback is sound speakers. It's bottom of the tablet not front Like Lenovo Tab 4 or Huawie Media Pad 5 or Samsung A 10.1(2018).
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If one were to buy mipad4 plus or m5, i would strongly recommend m5 pro with comes with 4 speakers, bigger battery, mpen and desktop mode..
been nagging oneplus to make something to replace my N9 every time I catch em posting on twitter
Just got a Huawei MediaPad M5 8.4 yesterday. Unlocked the bootloader but will stay on stock until they stop OTA's. Overall size much more akin to my Nexus 7 which I had replaced with the Nexus 9. Sadly never did think the 9 lived up to expectations.
M5 has great build quality and while I have not had it for very long it leaves the N9.......in....the.....dust.
N9 will be heading over to SWAPPA once I am sure M5 rocks.
I picked up an Amazon Fire 10" (current model) a year ago when they were on sale for $100. After enabling Google Play Store on it, I ended up using it and ignoring my Nexus 9 for a year. The Fire was inexpensive and therefore not as big a risk at the gym, and it did everything I needed. I even stuck with the Fire launcher and found it usable. Recently I picked up the Nexus 9 again and found the two reasons I had set it aside -- reduced but still reasonable battery life, and inexplicable "lockups" where the tablet stopped responding despite the screen still being on, requiring a long power button press reboot. I like the slightly smaller size factor (fits my man bag, the Fire doesn't). Thinking about rooting and putting a new ROM on board. But the Fire 10" is surprisingly usable and not much of a compromise for me.
This thread is literally my thoughts. I've been looking to upgrade for a while.
As echoed above though, replacing the battery the other day has vastly improved it and given me another year out of this old knockabout
It's an easy swap too.
I was on here looking for a new ROM.

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