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so we get a 1 year old hardware in the N7 and a 100 mh battery less then the edge , same camera , ****ty irish scanner no need at all , and some software added that can be ported probably to N5 and N4 . who else going to wait for another great deal maybe like V20 ?
Yeah, doesn't matter what new it brings, what matters is its still better than anything out there isn't it? First phone with Gorilla Glass 5, first Note with water resistant S Pen too, I don't care about that IRIS scanner nor know how fast/reliably it works, new pressure sensitive S Pen. Samsung knows quite well that it will be still the best phone even with one year old hardware and that's why they released it like that, people will still buy it. More profit they are making, more greedy they are becoming, that happens with almost all corporate conglomerates, let alone the largest mobile manufacturer of the world. At the end of the day, Note 7 will still sell in millions, I myself would like to buy it, if it weren't for the expensive pricing I would have as simple as that.
LG V20? Seriously? One of the worst phone makers in the history! Even I trust OnePlus better than them!
SM-N9300 variant looks nice Wonder when I can get my hand on one.
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irish scanner no need at all
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I don't know.... might be handy being able to scan for those Irish people!
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I actually like the idea of the iris scanner for unlocking the device. It adds another layer of security that is allot harder to defeat, unless somebody takes you eyes out of your head. I'm looking forward to seeing how the Exynos variant will perform.
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Yeah, doesn't matter what new it brings, what matters is its still better than anything out there isn't it? First phone with Gorilla Glass 5, first Note with water resistant S Pen too, I don't care about that IRIS scanner nor know how fast/reliably it works, new pressure sensitive S Pen. Samsung knows quite well that it will be still the best phone even with one year old hardware and that's why they released it like that, people will still buy it. More profit they are making, more greedy they are becoming, that happens with almost all corporate conglomerates, let alone the largest mobile manufacturer of the world. At the end of the day, Note 7 will still sell in millions, I myself would like to buy it, if it weren't for the expensive pricing I would have as simple as that.
LG V20? Seriously? One of the worst phone makers in the history! Even I trust OnePlus better than them!
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i will likely wait for the V20 and see what it brings to the table , all these features i really dont care about , the waterRes. and all these small tweaks here and there , the only things that matter is I buy a new phone and i want everything to be new not old new . i will definitely wait for another great deal from other companies , samsung doing a great job just not great enough they are becoming like apple and that pissing me off becouse i supported the brand for a long time.
I personally would love the note 7 and imo possibly the best phone of 2016 so far. Can't really think of anything to hate about it. Sure it's got old hardware in it but in all honesty even my note 4 is still fast enough pretty sure the note 7 will be more than adequate speed wise let's face it how fast do you want apps to load when is fast, fast enough? Iris scanner I'm on the fence about pretty cool thing to have I guess especially in the winter if you have gloves on and can't use the finger print scanner but depends how fast it works though from what I've seen from hands on reviews it's pretty quick. Some people are complaining that Samsung didn't bother changing the design but they near enough nailed the design of phones with the S6 let alone the note 7 can't see how they can improve it except make it thinner which thin phones will be crap as they would be hard to hold and you're limiting battery size.
Samsung aren't becoming like apple at all well maybe a bit but they haven't yet started charging people for an additional stuff like adaptors for example plus they add features to their devices which are actually useful best apple has done is force touch and even that is pretty crap imo. Not to mention everything was pretty decent with the S7/S7 edge so can't even see how Samsung will top the S7 and note 7 next year except maybe up the megapixels on the camera and add a 4k screen which is still fairly pointless to have until devs make apps with 4k resolution. Only other thing they can improve on is hardware in terms of ram, cpu and gpu but again how much power do you actually need in a phone?
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I personally would love the note 7 and imo possibly the best phone of 2016 so far. Can't really think of anything to hate about it. Sure it's got old hardware in it but in all honesty even my note 4 is still fast enough pretty sure the note 7 will be more than adequate speed wise let's face it how fast do you want apps to load when is fast, fast enough? Iris scanner I'm on the fence about pretty cool thing to have I guess especially in the winter if you have gloves on and can't use the finger print scanner but depends how fast it works though from what I've seen from hands on reviews it's pretty quick. Some people are complaining that Samsung didn't bother changing the design but they near enough nailed the design of phones with the S6 let alone the note 7 can't see how they can improve it except make it thinner which thin phones will be crap as they would be hard to hold and you're limiting battery size.
Samsung aren't becoming like apple at all well maybe a bit but they haven't yet started charging people for an additional stuff like adaptors for example plus they add features to their devices which are actually useful best apple has done is force touch and even that is pretty crap imo. Not to mention everything was pretty decent with the S7/S7 edge so can't even see how Samsung will top the S7 and note 7 next year except maybe up the megapixels on the camera and add a 4k screen which is still fairly pointless to have until devs make apps with 4k resolution. Only other thing they can improve on is hardware in terms of ram, cpu and gpu but again how much power do you actually need in a phone?
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well the S7 are pretty fast my sister have one and i've played for a while and i can tell you it a rocket fast, but again it's a 1 year old hardware you pay full price for it, if they just replaced the 820 with a 821 i know it only 10% performance increase better but at least i get the feeling of a new hardware likewise for the gpu and ram , chines are getting a 6GB of ram why not the rest of the world ? , i just think they ****ed it op for us geeks for a normale person he dont care about spec.
when there was rumors for 4000mAh battery and 6gb of ram, ir blaster along with good audio amplifier. i was ready to buy it ones it gets released. but when launching dates coming near we started getting news for 3500mAh and no ir blaster and only 4gb of ram, still i haven't loosed my hope that its just the rumor, but when it confirms all this. i said its not worth to upgrade from Note 4 to Note 5 or 7.
because still i have removable battery, ir blaster, expandable memory and decent camera.
i'll wait for next note to get hands on.
For me a Note 7 is a very decent device with respectable specs we already know why samsung skipped the snapdragon 821 and 823 simply because it's still not well tested yet and they already made mistake before with the 810. Adding 4k display is pointless for 5.7 inch display, i was hoping for bigger battery more than the other specs but (the wireless charging battery case is awesome ). Like dude come on it's 2016 only a few devices remained with removable battery so we are definitely can get use to it and can live without it.
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In general, just know that this phone is quite expensive. In india it cost around 1000$ to 1200$
Other countries like UAE cost around 900$. Europe cost almost the same like india so i might wait for a 3 to 5 month at least to get the phone in respectful price
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well the S7 are pretty fast my sister have one and i've played for a while and i can tell you it a rocket fast, but again it's a 1 year old hardware you pay full price for it, if they just replaced the 820 with a 821 i know it only 10% performance increase better but at least i get the feeling of a new hardware likewise for the gpu and ram , chines are getting a 6GB of ram why not the rest of the world ? , i just think they ****ed it op for us geeks for a normale person he dont care about spec.
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Guess would be nice to have 6gb of RAm and the newer 821 but think phones now are fast enough it's not like they need to be more powerful to play high end games like GTA 5 or Fallout 4 etc, nor would you need that power to do things like photo editing or 3D modelling as that would just be crap on a phone. I can't see why any phone would need 6gb of RAM only thing I'd like to see hardware wise now is a bigger battery but even that's limited soon we'll have phone manufacturers making phones thicker again just to add bigger batteries unless someone comes up with the technology to have like 4000 mah in a button cell sized battery.
I don't know about you guys , but i'm disappointed by the OP5 ... and regretting the fact that i waited nearly a full year for it , now i need another phone , and i think most of you do as well , it's the main reason people didn't wanna return their phones , because there are no alternatives that has :
-Stock or Stock-ish android experience ( or dev community support for custom roms and all .. )
-overall great camera ( specially dual lenses , you can do great things with a dual shooter )
-high end specs ( SD835 , at least 6GB of RAM for heavy multitasking and installing a LOT of apps , bluetooth 5 , UFS 2,1 ... it is actually faster and has a significant impact on performance etc etc ... )
-Unlocked and multiband support ( i live in algeria ... u probably never heard of it , so no verison or AT&T ... )
i don't care about a 4K display , i was very please with that FHD amoled one
i don't care about bezels ... in fact i love them , they give more grip more protection and more natural look n feel
i don't care about SD card slots , i prefer putting all my data in one partition
i don't care about iris scanners or squeeze features ... BULL**** to me
i don't care about VR ... it's useless in out era IMO
i don't care about price , as long as it is not like 1000 dollars
i don't give that much importance to water resistance ... even though it will be appreciated
i don't give that much importance to design ... i want my phone to be beautiful but i don't care that it looks like another phone
i can't live without a phone that i can't root and fully customize and flash mods on and tune my audio and everything ... i never owned a flagship , all my life been running off of chineese phones with 1GB of ram and a MTK Soc but trust me i went far with em ... now i need a good phone .
by the things i said the OP5 will be perfect , but just too much flaws man ..
i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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Hmm You can take a look at Motorola or xaomi are pretty close to Google stock. May i ask what flaws you have with the op5? I owned It a week now and battery / performance is awsome.
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Lackluster cameras and a jelly screen.
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Hmm You can take a look at Motorola or xaomi are pretty close to Google stock. May i ask what flaws you have with the op5? I owned It a week now and battery / performance is awsome.
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Since the moment i heard about it i knew it was gonna be the PERFECT phone for me ... but the jello effect and the camera are kinda putting me dowwnn , like really
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Lackluster cameras and a jelly screen.
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Yes that is exactly what's holding me back from it
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Since the moment i heard about it i knew it was gonna be the PERFECT phone for me ... but the jello effect and the camera are kinda putting me dowwnn , like really
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Hmm thats to bad. Personaly i dont see the jelly effect, could be my eyes or my phone does not have it haha. Camera is fine for my needs. But Will improve alot with software updates.
I think for the same experience with better camera and no jelly it would be the Google pixel. But Its an expensive choice
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Hola
I think that I can empathize with your sentiments on this device. I also refuse to utilise any new phone that does not provide me with an unlocked bootloader and sources for their kernel or firmware, which in turn hopefully gives way to a vibrant development community.
You can consider:
1. Devices from OPPO. They do provide some decent specs for their higher tiered devices, and I understand, like OnePlus, they have a decent active development community.
2. ZTE Axon 7. Yes, last year's specifications but man those dual firing front speakers are awesome as is the screen and phone build. Development is there though only a few active developers are around. I honestly believe it was the best phone of last year for the specs it had with ability to at least get LOS and RR official support! I was using the Axon 7 before I switched to the OnePlus 5.
3. Crazy as it sounds, but the OnePlus 3T might be a decent alternative. Getting one used might be your best bet.
4. You may have to wait for the Pixel 2 series later in November / December if you want decent specs, good camera, and an proper development support.
While indeed hardware specs are super important, I have come to realise after using a number of flagship devices from Samsung and others that if the hardware doesn't have the open community behind it, IMHO the phone is a flop! Samsung Galaxy S series does have the ability to unlock the bootloader in certain regions, the hardware specs are usually top notch, but man I hate TouchWiz and the inability to utilize LOS or RR custom ROMs. Xiaomi phones are decently priced and certain phones get good community development like the Global version of the Redmi Note 4 but the hardware specs are many time mediocre. I would get a Global Redmi Note 4 as a secondary phone just in case my main phone got damaged or lost.
I am reading each and every post here on the OnePlus 5, seeing all the known issues, and the accompanying hate, but those listed issues won't be enough for me to switch yet. I am patiently waiting on our great developers to start providing some kickass custom ROMs.
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Hmm thats to bad. Personaly i dont see the jelly effect, could be my eyes or my phone does not have it haha. Camera is fine for my needs. But Will improve alot with software updates.
I think for the same experience with better camera and no jelly it would be the Google pixel. But Its an expensive choice
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Not only it is expensive , but with an old chipset and less ram and the ugliest desing ever and back fingerprint sensor ... nah man
plus even if i wait for the pixel 2 ... that's gonna be like napalm for my wallet ! nah ...
if it was that easy i wouldn't have created this thread
thank you soo much for your help my friend
I think mine is dope
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Hola
I think that I can empathize with your sentiments on this device. I also refuse to utilise any new phone that does not provide me with an unlocked bootloader and sources for their kernel or firmware, which in turn hopefully gives way to a vibrant development community.
You can consider:
1. Devices from OPPO. They do provide some decent specs for their higher tiered devices, and I understand, like OnePlus, they have a decent active development community.
2. ZTE Axon 7. Yes, last year's specifications but man those dual firing front speakers are awesome as is the screen and phone build. Development is there though only a few active developers are around. I honestly believe it was the best phone of last year for the specs it had with ability to at least get LOS and RR official support! I was using the Axon 7 before I switched to the OnePlus 5.
3. Crazy as it sounds, but the OnePlus 3T might be a decent alternative. Getting one used might be your best bet.
4. You may have to wait for the Pixel 2 series later in November / December if you want decent specs, good camera, and an proper development support.
While indeed hardware specs are super important, I have come to realise after using a number of flagship devices from Samsung and others that if the hardware doesn't have the open community behind it, IMHO the phone is a flop! Samsung Galaxy S series does have the ability to unlock the bootloader in certain regions, the hardware specs are usually top notch, but man I hate TouchWiz and the inability to utilize LOS or RR custom ROMs. Xiaomi phones are decently priced and certain phones get good community development like the Global version of the Redmi Note 4 but the hardware specs are many time mediocre. I would get a Global Redmi Note 4 as a secondary phone just in case my main phone got damaged or lost.
I am reading each and every post here on the OnePlus 5, seeing all the known issues, and the accompanying hate, but those listed issues won't be enough for me to switch yet. I am patiently waiting on our great developers to start providing some kickass custom ROMs.
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First off , in 6 months of browsing in XDA , this is the best reply i have ever recieved :victory:
i am exactly like you , i could never agree more ... but i really don't like the other choices ... hear me out
1-the latest device of oppo is the OPPO R11 plus ... which is like the ****ing deformated twin brother of the OP5 : same design look but the OP5 looks better and feels more premium ...and lower specs ( snapdragon 660 ? srsly ? )
and i've never been a fan of oppo phones and their UI that craves to be IOS like ... so i can't really go with that .
2-ZTE axon 7 is a really great phone , but last year's great phone , i wanna buy a phone that i won't swap for like 2 years , and this one is already pretty old , and i honestly can't let go of the SD835 andreno 540 , 8gigs of ram , DUAL cam , bluetooth 5 , gorilla glass 5 , front mounted fingerprint scanner etc ... i don't give much importance to the front firing speaker because i don't use it that much ... but the audio quality over the jack is verryyyyy important to me , as i said i never go with a phone without a sound mod applied , but the ZTE axon 7 just seems lacking a lot of the features here so it ain't attrackting me
3-will never consider the 3T because the 5 has everything the 3T has in a better way ... straight up
4-pixel 2 is actually my only choice except the OP5 ... but the price is gonna be radioactive , and the wait till nov/dec is really not pleasing , as i said i am running over multiple chineese phones that are loow ****ing end ... can't take it anymore i need something good
now honestly i haate the Samsung eco system ... and i hate the bother of looking for universal versions just for convinience , plus i don't trust the exynos ones i'd rather take a Snapdragon , but those are the ones that u can't do anything to ... what a shame
i am also reading all the threads about the OP5 ... and the only thing that really gets to me is the camera , i have a dslr ... but i really wanna experience one of the best phone cameras , because u can pretty much guess based on the phones i use that their camera is more than trash ... i never actually use them ... so if they fix the camera next month i will probably pick one ... if not , maybe i'll wait for the pixel 2 ...
thank you very much for your help ! :highfive:
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I think mine is dope
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how is your experience with the camera ?
ReyTheBoss said:
if it was that easy i wouldn't have created this thread
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Newsflash! No matter what phone you choose (or wait for) there's likely going to be some aspect(s) that you don't like. There's also going to be some aspect(s) that delight you.
The design of every phone is a set of compromises. That reality also means that some people will be disappointed with some of those compromise decisions.
The only advice I can offer is to find something whose compromises you can live with. For me that happens to be the OP5--despite some of the compromises they made.
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how is your experience with the camera ?
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I like flashing roms and dash, I'm not into taking pics, so I don't care about the camera. I do like the camera though it's pretty good, I'm sure a dev will hook the camera up & improve it
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Newsflash! No matter what phone you choose (or wait for) there's likely going to be some aspect(s) that you don't like. There's also going to be some aspect(s) that delight you.
The design of every phone is a set of compromises. That reality also means that some people will be disappointed with some of those compromise decisions.
The only advice I can offer is to find something whose compromises you can live with. For me that happens to be the OP5--despite some of the compromises they made.
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a bit agressive here but you are right ... it is just that the camera of the OP5 was supposed to be THE "feauture" , the whole marketing point , not the biggest flaw of the device ... and it's almost a deal breaker ...
plus this thread is for all people not just for me , i am positive that a lot of people are in the same spot as me
and i know how it'll go , either i accept the OP5 or patience and time will show :good:
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I like flashing roms and dash, I'm not into taking pics, so I don't care about the camera. I do like the camera though it's pretty good, I'm sure a dev will hook the camera & improve it
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cool my friend thank you for the reply ... i can't wait to please my flash addiction one i get my hand on it then
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a bit agressive here...
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It wasn't my intention to be aggressive or put anyone down. Rather it was to set expectations. You've asked a very good question. It's just that I doubt there's a good answer.
I've been looking for a replacement for my Nexus 5 for many months now. I finally decided to go with the OP5. Despite some minor quibbles, I'm keeping mine.
Yes, many people are in the same or similar situation as you. But if there was some other phone that had all of the positive features of the OP5, also addressed the negative ones, and cost no more than the OP5, I'm sure it would have been mentioned here. That it hasn't suggests either that (1) such a phone doesn't exist or that (2) everyone has their own individual set of criteria so no consensus can be reached.
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by the things i said the OP5 will be perfect , but just too much flaws man ..
i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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I feel your point, 95% I agree with your analisys.
Moreover I need a dual SIM phone, and unlocked: my job obligates me to travel around the world, and I need to put a "local SIM" in order to get everywhere an internet connection, with acceptable costs.
If not OP5................. I could get:
Xiaomi, Galaxy S8 duos , Lenovo(Motorola), some Honor/Huawei.
I am based in Europe, Italy, that means:
not all Xiaomi support Italian 4G-LTE band, it sucks
Galaxy S8 duos in Italy is an import product... with delay in delivery and possible problem with warranty
Lenovo Honor and Huawei could be OK, but personally I feel not at the same level of OP5, in specs-performance.
At the end... when I will have the OP5 in my hand (in 2 weeks) I hope it totally satisfy myself, because ATM I have NO other options.
Crossed fingers
Ale08 said:
I feel your point, 95% I agree with your analisys.
Moreover I need a dual SIM phone, and unlocked: my job obligates me to travel around the world, and I need to put a "local SIM" in order to get everywhere an internet connection, with acceptable costs.
If not OP5................. I could get:
Xiaomi, Galaxy S8 duos , Lenovo(Motorola), some Honor/Huawei.
I am based in Europe, Italy, that means:
not all Xiaomi support Italian 4G-LTE band, it sucks
Galaxy S8 duos in Italy is an import product... with delay in delivery and possible problem with warranty
Lenovo Honor and Huawei could be OK, but personally I feel not at the same level of OP5, in specs-performance.
At the end... when I will have the OP5 in my hand (in 2 weeks) I hope it totally satisfy myself, because ATM I have NO other options.
Crossed fingers
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so again it goes back to the OnePlus 5 ... and all the criticism aside , it's a ****ing great phone , i might just stop *****ing about it and start seeing the good side of it XD that implies for everybody else :highfive:
Even though you don't care about any of the features that are distinguishing many of 2017's flagships, there are some that have those features and can still fit your criteria:
1. HTC U11. It is bootloader unlockable from the factory, so you can play with it to your hearts content.
2. Sony Xperia XZ Premium. Recently was added to their developer program, which will allow you to mod it, as well.
3. LG G6 US997. If in the US, this specific model has been added to the unlockable models list and LG tends to have a healthy following (even with the dreaded bootloop issue).
4. OnePlus 3T. As good as the OnePlus 5 in many ways and better in many others (no jelly like scrolling, massive custom development scene).
5. Google Pixel. No explanations necessary.
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i am sure a lot of people are like me so please help
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www.kimovil.com is a pretty good page to compare and or find a phone that match your demands.
im more concerned about custom rom and developer community.
I have been looking to buy a new mobile phone since my LG G3 bit the dust a few months ago. The one that piqued my interest is the Axon 7 due to the audio hardware (dual DAC and stereo front speakers) which is the one thing I use my mobile for above everything else. I have been looking at the LG G6 with its quad DAC also but the cost difference is hard to ignore especially if the Axon can give me what I am looking for.
I realise that ZTE have discontinued the manufacturing of the Axon 7 but they are still available from some vendors and rumours have arisen about its successor appearing soon. ZTE is allegedly also releasing Oreo to the 7 in April.
So due to an eventual show of the 8, do you think I would be better waiting through January for the Axon 8 or just pulling the trigger on an Axon 7 right now?
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What's your budget? If you're willing to go higher than $400, I'd say get one of the OnePlus phones. Released this year. They have an exceptional dev community (not that ours is bad but theirs is just incredible), and the phones are remarkably solid, especially given the price.
If you're on a budget, then yeah, get the Axon 7 or one of the older OP devices (OP3/3T). You wouldn't have the amazing audio you get with the Axon, but the phones are really, really good.
The Axon 7 is still getting dev support, which is great, but I don't think we'll get to see Android P on our device. Many devs are already losing interest and some people in the community are driving the ones that are left away.
Another option to consider is a used LG V20, which had amazing audio as well.
I am a poweruser so I tend to root my devices almost straightaway usually with magisk so I can use V4A.
I was tempted by the OnePlus 5T and it probably wouldn't be out of my budget, it looks like a really solid phone but with the reports of poor sound quality, lack of DAC and no SD card slot it just didn't fit the bill for me.
I did check out the LG v30 and the specs are an absolute beast on that but alas...so is the price being new on the market lol. The Samsung S8...ERM no...I vouched after they started the bit locking fiasco on the S4 I would never buy another Samsung.
The LG G6 is good for audio but even LG have started regionalizing features now.
These are partly the reason I decided mid to low tear was enough for me as they are easily obtainable from China sim free without ties to contracts and they have a habit of producing good value devices which compete with stupid money flagships.
I am trying to avoid going down the root of second hand devices as I am a big believer in you usually buy someone else's problems especially with manufacturer obsolescence being on the tongues of every techy these days. Its bad enough with the non replaceable batteries in devices!
Bang for buck the Axon 7 is still very desirable...its just the audio I can't ignore and for the price. Bit of a shame that the dev community is losing interest in the axon 7 though, seems a really solid device.
@Gases hope you don't think I am a whining my friend, just me obsessing about my next device lol
So do you think its worth waiting for the Axon 7's successor?
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My view from a value consious type is that the A7 is great hardware for the money and importantly, it still runs fast. Getting O may help keep a little development on it but stock is good anyway. I personally wouldn't buy an LG phone, too many successive devices with serious problems like bootloop which never seems to be fixed. LG don't want their phones to last long.
If you're not the sort of person who must have the latest, then for the price the Axon 7 is still a compelling buy.
If you only choose a phone from the list of Daydream certified devices you ensure a well rounded performance and decent sensors etc. It really comes down to how much you want to spend and nothing much can touch the A7 for value versus it's real world performance. Forget benchmarks and all that junk, it's all numbers and running an Axon keeps reliable performance unlike say, a Samsung which will get the stutters sooner or later. I'm keen to see the O update being closer to stock Android on my Axon, but even on B09N it is still smooth and responsive leaving no reason to even consider buying anything else.
All that being posted, I would like to see the next flagship Axon but like all brands, ZTE will try to grow their price tag as public perception improves. Just look at Huawei as an example. Got too expensive and now put themselves beyond my price level. Wouldn't consider Samsung, HTC and all the others keeping prices double what they should be.
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I am a poweruser so I tend to root my devices almost straightaway usually with magisk so I can use V4A.
I was tempted by the OnePlus 5T and it probably wouldn't be out of my budget, it looks like a really solid phone but with the reports of poor sound quality, lack of DAC and no SD card slot it just didn't fit the bill for me.
I did check out the LG v30 and the specs are an absolute beast on that but alas...so is the price being new on the market lol. The Samsung S8...ERM no...I vouched after they started the bit locking fiasco on the S4 I would never buy another Samsung.
The LG G6 is good for audio but even LG have started regionalizing features now.
These are partly the reason I decided mid to low tear was enough for me as they are easily obtainable from China sim free without ties to contracts and they have a habit of producing good value devices which compete with stupid money flagships.
I am trying to avoid going down the root of second hand devices as I am a big believer in you usually buy someone else's problems especially with manufacturer obsolescence being on the tongues of every techy these days. Its bad enough with the non replaceable batteries in devices!
Bang for buck the Axon 7 is still very desirable...its just the audio I can't ignore and for the price. Bit of a shame that the dev community is losing interest in the axon 7 though, seems a really solid device.
@Gases hope you don't think I am a whining my friend, just me obsessing about my next device lol
So do you think its worth waiting for the Axon 7's successor?
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When you say that you use your phone for music, what do you really mean? Hi-res, or just FLACs? With V4A or stock?
The AK4490EN is capable of like 768 kHz/32 bit, but ZTE limited to a hideous 96 kHz/16 bit...
Still it sounds much, MUCH better than a standard Snapdragon DAC. Even on custom ROMs. And even more so on custom ROMs with V4A, if you're using MP3s.
I think you have to completely avoid midrange devices. The best choice is to get a high-end CPU even if it's one generation old. The SD6xx series are a world apart in terms of performance.
Also, why do you say that the dev community is losing interest? We lost 1 or 2 devs this year. It was always rather weak, but we're a cozy community and seemingly managed to push enough to get ZTE to get a working Camera2 API and some other stuff (time will tell).
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My view from a value consious type is that the A7 is great hardware for the money and importantly, it still runs fast. Getting O may help keep a little development on it but stock is good anyway. I personally wouldn't buy an LG phone, too many successive devices with serious problems like bootloop which never seems to be fixed. LG don't want their phones to last long.
If you're not the sort of person who must have the latest, then for the price the Axon 7 is still a compelling buy.
If you only choose a phone from the list of Daydream certified devices you ensure a well rounded performance and decent sensors etc. It really comes down to how much you want to spend and nothing much can touch the A7 for value versus it's real world performance. Forget benchmarks and all that junk, it's all numbers and running an Axon keeps reliable performance unlike say, a Samsung which will get the stutters sooner or later. I'm keen to see the O update being closer to stock Android on my Axon, but even on B09N it is still smooth and responsive leaving no reason to even consider buying anything else.
All that being posted, I would like to see the next flagship Axon but like all brands, ZTE will try to grow their price tag as public perception improves. Just look at Huawei as an example. Got too expensive and now put themselves beyond my price level. Wouldn't consider Samsung, HTC and all the others keeping prices double what they should be.
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Totally agree on the LG thing, the G3 was a solid item on the outside but its internals were a different story...like I said manufactured obsolescence! Baking the motherboard on mine was its final death cry lol
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When you say that you use your phone for music, what do you really mean? Hi-res, or just FLACs? With V4A or stock?
The AK4490EN is capable of like 768 kHz/32 bit, but ZTE limited to a hideous 96 kHz/16 bit...
Still it sounds much, MUCH better than a standard Snapdragon DAC. Even on custom ROMs. And even more so on custom ROMs with V4A, if you're using MP3s.
I think you have to completely avoid midrange devices. The best choice is to get a high-end CPU even if it's one generation old. The SD6xx series are a world apart in terms of performance.
Also, why do you say that the dev community is losing interest? We lost 1 or 2 devs this year. It was always rather weak, but we're a cozy community and seemingly managed to push enough to get ZTE to get a working Camera2 API and some other stuff (time will tell).
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Sorry I should have made myself clear when I said mid to low tear phone, I was talking about price not internal specs. Totally agree the SD 820/821 chips might not be the latest and greatest but they are far from obsolete and still perform great... would be nice to have say an 835 but I am not in it for the numbers anyway.
As for my audio format, its a bit of a mix...minimum 320 Kbps to lossless, it really depends on where I got the files from. The max impedance on my best cans are 40 ohms so no studio level stuff.
As for the dev community losing interest...no offence intended, was only expressing my feelings on what I was told by Gases. Cosy is a good thing, its a powerful tool, means there is a passion for the product and if ZTE are listening...even better.
BTW happy new year!
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Totally agree on the LG thing, the G3 was a solid item on the outside but its internals were a different story...like I said manufactured obsolescence! Baking the motherboard on mine was its final death cry lol
Sorry I should have made myself clear when I said mid to low tear phone, I was talking about price not internal specs. Totally agree the SD 820/821 chips might not be the latest and greatest but they are far from obsolete and still perform great... would be nice to have say an 835 but I am not in it for the numbers anyway.
As for my audio format, its a bit of a mix...minimum 320 Kbps to lossless, it really depends on where I got the files from. The max impedance on my best cans are 40 ohms so no studio level stuff.
As for the dev community losing interest...no offence intended, was only expressing my feelings on what I was told by Gases. Cosy is a good thing, its a powerful tool, means there is a passion for the product and if ZTE are listening...even better.
BTW happy new year!
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You'll be OK with the Axon 7's DAC -its soundstage is clearly better and it has a lower noise level. The community is nowhere near dying out since most devs maintain only a few devices. And the SD820 still works good.
I don't believe the Axon 9 (I think they'll skip 8, like 2019) will be released before at least May or June. They said absolutely nothing aside from 'there will be a successor to the axon 7'.
Happy new year
I would say yes, I bought mine in Nov last year and it was delivered in Dec. I am loving it every minute with zero issues that I am unhappy with. I bought it to replace a buggy Zenfone 3 (midrange) and I am totally pleased with it.
Cost is a major factor as I had already spent a load of money on the ZF3; it cost the same as a current midrange device (Xiaomi A1) and yet performance is twice of current midrange devices (double benchmark and QHD screen). Yes, it is nearly a 2 years old flagship, but the question is do I need that much firepower from a current flagship? My answer is not really, yours maybe different.
I do not root my phones, had a really bad experience when I hard bricked a device due to faulty instructions and then I got laugh at by the "community". So I only update my devices officially.
I also do not update my devices to the "last" update as I had bad experiences where a device became crap with the final update (likely due to it not able to handle the load?). So I update them once out of the box, and that it. My Axon 7 was updated from B11 to B09 when I got it and it is likely to stay on B09 until the day it dies, unless the feedback on future updates are very positive here. Again, you may use yours differently.
If you disregard all the numbers and technicalities and just want a good sounding phone to play your MP3 library off, you can't go wrong with the Axon 7.
I mostly use bluetooth but do plug in still.
I did this afternoon in the car. Feeding music to the car hifi by wire sounds awesome, for sure it's better than bluetooth and louder too. I just use MP3 and can still clearly hear a difference.
You don't need to be swallowing up 50Mb a song with hi res FLAC files to justify owning the phone.
I've got my Axon7 last month to replace dying Meizu MX4Pro. Few thoughts on the buy.
A7 is fantastic mid-range phone, I've managed to get it quite cheap in almost new condition (~€230).
Performance wise it is brilliant, no hiccups or anything (bear in mind I was coming from Android 5.0 2014 phone )
Now, the sound. I have mixed feelings on this. I'll tell you why.
The speakers are great, but when I say sound quality I mean the headphone out. I didn't have much time to compare it to MX4Pro and my DAP (Cayin N3 - same DAC chip as A7) but I still feel that A7 is lacking a bit. Defo less power than my old phone (or the DAP), I need to crank up the volume to get the detail and dynamics level I want. I'll be trying it with my old C&C amp to see if it will improve.
Don't get me wrong, sound quality is very good, I think it is just the power. But again, my only reference is DAP which has lot more power and one of the most musical phones that was manufactured to date (MX4 Pro has ESS9018 DAC and OPA1612 as an amp).
To sum up - lovely phone with good sound, sound is definitely better than 99% phones out there. If you can get it cheap(-ish) and don't mind 2 year old hardware go for it.
Well it is done...Axon 7 EU version is on it's way! Oooo new shiny's lol and the wait begins
And I put a sneaky order in for the BOBOVR Z5 daydream headset just to test the water with VR and daydream.
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I've got my Axon7 last month to replace dying Meizu MX4Pro. Few thoughts on the buy.
A7 is fantastic mid-range phone, I've managed to get it quite cheap in almost new condition (~€230).
Performance wise it is brilliant, no hiccups or anything (bear in mind I was coming from Android 5.0 2014 phone )
Now, the sound. I have mixed feelings on this. I'll tell you why.
The speakers are great, but when I say sound quality I mean the headphone out. I didn't have much time to compare it to MX4Pro and my DAP (Cayin N3 - same DAC chip as A7) but I still feel that A7 is lacking a bit. Defo less power than my old phone (or the DAP), I need to crank up the volume to get the detail and dynamics level I want. I'll be trying it with my old C&C amp to see if it will improve.
Don't get me wrong, sound quality is very good, I think it is just the power. But again, my only reference is DAP which has lot more power and one of the most musical phones that was manufactured to date (MX4 Pro has ESS9018 DAC and OPA1612 as an amp).
To sum up - lovely phone with good sound, sound is definitely better than 99% phones out there. If you can get it cheap(-ish) and don't mind 2 year old hardware go for it.
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What version of the A7 did you get? Is it on Nougat OS? If it's A2017G on Marshmallow it should improve on stock Nougat.
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Well it is done...Axon 7 EU version is on it's way! Oooo new shiny's lol and the wait begins
And I put a sneaky order in for the BOBOVR Z5 daydream headset just to test the water with VR and daydream.
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Got mine yesterday in the post from gearbest as a reluctant replacement for my Nexus 6 .
Reluctant, as I wanted to 'upgrade' so had to be amoled, stereo speakers, qhd etc to at least match the beast of a Nexus 6.
Just been using today and smaller screen size takes a bit of getting used to, but sound via speakers is on par with Nexus 6 I'd say not yet tried plug in headphones. Screen is much better and the build quality too.
Very pleased so far.
This weekend may see me attempt boot loader unlock, TWRP, Magisk and Lineage install; although I must say the ZTE implementation isn't half bad, and thats on Marshmellow.
May I ask where you found it for sale? Seems most places out of stock now, and felt quite lucky to snap one up.
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Got mine yesterday in the post from gearbest as a reluctant replacement for my Nexus 6 .
Reluctant, as I wanted to 'upgrade' so had to be amoled, stereo speakers, qhd etc to at least match the beast of a Nexus 6.
Just been using today and smaller screen size takes a bit of getting used to, but sound via speakers is on par with Nexus 6 I'd say not yet tried plug in headphones. Screen is much better and the build quality too.
Very pleased so far.
This weekend may see me attempt boot loader unlock, TWRP, Magisk and Lineage install; although I must say the ZTE implementation isn't half bad, and thats on Marshmellow.
May I ask where you found it for sale? Seems most places out of stock now, and felt quite lucky to snap one up.
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Fasttech had it listed...missed all the holiday discounts though and I think the fact that every other company have sold out has driven the price up on FT slightly but I am not really bothered...I am now hoping it slips past the folks at customs discreetly lol.
I need this to get here asap as my 5 yr old S4 is on its last legs...I think it must have caught something off my deceased LG G3 haha!
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I've had mine 2 weeks, and absolutely love it. It replaced a Sony Xperia Z4 (with the 810 which allowed the phone to double as a hot plate, foot warmer or small space heater.) The sound is everything I expected from the Sony and never got. The screen is beautiful. Battery life is amazing. The Z4 had a max of 3 hours life, and this Axon 7 has seen me through 10 hour days listening to bluetooth most of the day, with 35% batttery left. I found mine on Amazon for $317, the box was scuffed up, but everything inside was pristine and untouched. I'm rooted with WRP, Substratum and Xposed. I have not felt the need to leave stock 7.1.1 as of yet.
Stock Nougat is quite good. I find that here a lot of people are way too trigger happy on the flash custom ROM scene. I only do it if the phone needs it. Custom ROMs usually have issues.
ZTE will release an official and reasonably light Oreo for it this year too.
I think after that, good custom ROMs will follow as they released O sources to a well known dev. I personally wouldn't be bothered with any current Nougat customs seeing as O is coming.
I will probably upgrade and run the axon 7 stock for a few months same as I did with my G3.
ZTE have certainly extended the axon 7's presence in the market though bringing Oreo to it, all the major brands would have EOL'ed support to a device by now especially with it starting on Marshmallow.
Has anyone had the need to swap the battery out yet?
I know there are a couple of good teardown vids on YT and it doesn't look too bad.
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What version of the A7 did you get? Is it on Nougat OS? If it's A2017G on Marshmallow it should improve on stock Nougat.
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its A2017G on Nougat, it starts to grow on me. I've sold my DAP already because I like the sound so much.
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Stock Nougat is quite good. I find that here a lot of people are way too trigger happy on the flash custom ROM scene. I only do it if the phone needs it. Custom ROMs usually have issues.
ZTE will release an official and reasonably light Oreo for it this year too.
I think after that, good custom ROMs will follow as they released O sources to a well known dev. I personally wouldn't be bothered with any current Nougat customs seeing as O is coming.
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With my previous (pre MX4Pro) Android phones I was first to flash custom ROMs. But with A7 I'm happy so far with stock Nougat. Miss the root for few things, but I have too much stuff on the phone and too little time to bother with unlocking bootloader and rooting it as I understand I will loose all present data.
Now, when the Oreo comes, that might change
Bit of a rant and discussion.
I've bought this phone 4 days ago and was so happy with it's performance, look and general experience with it. Long have I waited for a phone to have a fairly powerful chipset like the Snapdragon 660 at an affordable price point to finally retire my Nexus 5 which has started failing on me and needed a replacement ASAP.
When I saw that I could pick this phone up for 240 euro for the 64GB version I thought that it was a decent upgrade over my beloved Nexus and that given that it is an Android One phone, it wouldn't be all that different from a Nexus. What I mean by this is update timely support for 2 years and security updates for another 1. Also, being that it's just as easy to unlock the bootloader as on the Nexus, I was expecting that the dev support would be nearly identical, specially at this price point.
Given that this is my first Xiaomi device, I was not aware of the time it took Xiaomi to release it's kernel source hindering the dev support at the device's prime. But all this wouldn't be as much of an issue since I mainly planned to stick with the stock ROM and root it to get a couple of more features that it doesn't have by default as well as use a couple of apps that make my life a bit easier and when the source lands, we would have it at the devices EOL so that the support could continue. For the whole two days, I was happy with this agreement until I found out about Xiaomi's newly anounced Poco F1. I had heard about this phone on the day that I've bought my A2, but dismissed it because of the rumored price of 400+ euro.
The announced phone has everything that this phone lacks for me which is a 3.5mm jack, memory card slot and a 1000 mAh bigger battery. On top of that, it has that sweet, sweet Snapdragon 845. To top all that off, it's promised that the kernel source code will land upon launch of the device on 29th August which along with the equally easily unlockable bootloader makes me think that the Poco F1 should've been the real successor to my Nexus. Digging a little bit I've found out that the Xiaomi phones are actually officially supported for quite some time by Xiaomi but that the base android version can be old. At the announcement of the F1 they promised to solve the base not being updated thanks to project Treble.
Now, when I was buying this phone, I was very budget conscious and the 240 euro at this point of the year was a bit of a stretch for me given the vacation part of the year, but I really needed a phone and thought that the 20 euro over the 220 price of the 32GB was worth it. Now, the F1 is announced at 300$ in India which would translate to 300 euro in my country, probably (waiting for the launch in Europe). That is another 60 over the A2, but you get so much better specs. Even tho the A2 is a lot more premium than the F1, given that I'm coming from the Nexus 5, you know where my heart is when it comes to "premium vs performance" thing. I'm not much of a camera guy, just need a decent one and both have great cameras but I am an audiophile and I quite enjoy the output out of the A2. The speakerphone lacks a bit of bass but it is very loud (specially compared to the Nexus 5) and the headphone output, even being a bit clunky with the USB Type C adapter thing, is really good. Looking at the keynote, I've seen that the F1 should have a good DAC for the headphones, but I've read that the front facing dual speakers are a bit tinny which is not an issue, just as long as the quality and clarity is acceptable given that for any high quality audio I would resort to headphones anyway. Only things that I'm not a fan on the F1 is the notch at the top and the curvature of the edges of the screen. The notch can be turned off without loss given that the display is larger than the A2 for the notch, but you're still left with those huge curves at the bottom edges.
Now having said all of this, I'm really tempted to sell my new A2 in favor of the F1. Are there any reasons or benefits to sticking with the A2 instead of switching over to the F1 that I'm missing?
I would greatly appreciate your opinion on this matter.
i think you're overthinking and greatly underevaluating the a2 official support.
the f1 has just one problem, miui. and yes, you can fix that by unlocking and getting a custom rom. eventually.
it launches at the end of august, there will be at least another month before you can pick one up in europe at a decent price.
then you need to wait for an actual custom rom official ish team to pick it up, another 1-2 months before it's good enough for daily driver usage. ow wait christmas already?
or you could do what you did already and enjoy your phone, the a2 isnt a bad phone at all!
i got one too, saw the f1 news and i dont feel the same way at all. in europe it's gonna sell for at least 350euros. asuming you ever find one in stock.
if you really want to, mosr eu retailers will refund you fully within 30 days of your purchase you could return the a2 and wait for the f1, i wouldn't but it's an option...
p.s. i also think that even though the 845 is faster, the 660 is fast enough. perhaps even a 636 would be plenty. i find it hard to justify high end chips honestly.
p.s.2 and yes the f1 is gonna break the high end phones market. xiaomi will probably sell as many as it can make and big oems will have to think hard and strong before offering a phone that costs over 500 euros
All I can add is that there will ** Always ** be phones with better specs just around the corner. Did I say Always?
Phones can do so much now, which is good, but making a decision and being satisfied with it is increasingly difficult. I too have a
Nexus 5 (and 5x) in the past. The 5 I still have as a backup, has LineageOS on it and is doing great.
The most difficult thing for me is determining what I really need (separating it from what I want), and then finding a device that fits.
I love that the MiA2 is android one. It's basically Lineage, which is perfect for me. Does it make Network connections quickly? Absolutely, and very
strong connections at that.
Sufficient ram and rom? Works great for me... Snap660 is all I need, with what I do... Unlockable? perfect. Treble? perfect. Decent Camera? absolutely.
So my checklist is... sparse I know. But why pay for more than you need? Oh they'll sell it to you! And they're happy to make you believe you need it!
But what do you need? really?
That's the tough question to answer.
Those two answers above hit the nail on the head perfectly. I love my Mi A2 as it gives me everything I need in a phone.
i love my a2 too but slow storage is on the down side
copying 2 gb file takes 5 min
flashing the phone via edl mode takes 1200 seconds
Sure, sort of. On the one hand, the overall better specs of the F1 has me feeling like I missed out. On the other, though - I knew ahead of time that whatever phone I'll end up getting will be an Android One phone, so... that takes the F1 out of the picture, anyway. Also... I doubt the F1 will still cost ~300USD outside of India.
For a very long time I messed around with custom ROMs, rooting, etc. With the 5X I started feeling like I'm not missing much by not going that route. The most important thing for me is that the company whose reputation is on the line (in this case, Google - since Android One, and all) pushes out security and feature updates in a timely manner.
I also vehemently agree with the notion that "something better is always around the corner" - getting the latest and greatest is a game you'll always lose, unless you have a lot of disposable income. But then we wouldn't be comparing the A2 and the F1, would we?
Think about it this way - imagine what the Poco F3/F4 will bring in two-three years time, when we're due for an upgrade!
A bit OT but it's funny to see how many n5x users are gathering in the mia2 thread ^^ I'm very happy about my mia2 I was concerned about the battery but I get now about 6 hours SOT and that's all I needed. On top of this, the camera is really great. I think that in a few months we will have real nice devices with all we need anted from a phone. ???
Which phone will be more long lasting in terms that it will not slow down after Android or Interface (Samsung Experience, One UI) upgrades?
I'm looking between these 2 phones for the one that will have a better CHANCE for lasting 5 years being as quick and as “battery life good” AS POSSIBLE.
I think all of us know that the OEMs make our phones slower by patches, upgrades with attached algorithms to slowly month after month (so we couldn’t notice) shorten the battery life, slower the speed and make battery consumption bigger with sole intention for us to buy a new model next year or in the next 2 years.
BTW I don’t need the Pen and I don’t play any games and I don’t need a super good cam. EDIT: no rooting and no custom romming for me on that device for ever.
If I don't need the Pen why to bother with Note you may ask?
Well, I hope that Note being the business phone is going to be treated better by Samsung in the above terms than a Galaxy S phone, but maybe it’s the other way around?
What do You think?
No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.
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No Android phone will last you 5 years without feeling crippled.
Besides that, you don't sound like you need a Note at all and the Note doesn't get any specific treatment from Samsung, it has older components, it is less popular, it is worse in literally everything by being a generation behind.
I don't know your prices, but if price is not an issue then get the S10+ and stop worrying for at least 3 years, I'm easily getting 12-14h SoT whenever I want to, the battery is great and we still have to get plenty of updates.
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Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???
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Thank You
I value Your opinion but during years I saw plenty of comments and sellers claiming that Note is better cause aimed for business. The comparison was always like this :Galaxy S(gen) with Note(gen-1)
From the beginning till Note8 it the above scenario Note was always more expensive on premiere day.
But this year S10+ prices was 26 USD more than Note's 9 on premiere day - sad to say (for Note fans) maybe somethings wrong is about to go down like no more busyness phone treatment for Note series.
But I still do believe that Note is somehow treated better but after that price reversal I wanted toread what You think.
What do You think about that dangerous Pie+oneUI update (dangerous because look what it did to my S8)? - that's in Note 9 case.
PLEASE USERS tell me what You think of all of this???
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What happened to your S8?
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What happened to your S8?
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When I updated trough OTA from Android 8.0 with Samsung Exp. to Android 9 Pie + One UI the pros: battery consumption went at least 3 times(!!!) the cons: S8 started lagging, microfreezing, isntt as smooth and speedy as its used to be, despite:
- very low amount of foreign apps that I installed since buying
- frequent restarts of phone as recommended
- phone has never been rooter or custom rommed
I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The note has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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I use a phone as a main work tool, replaced a lap top a long time ago.
The not has one advantage, in meetings you are writing on your phone and no one bats an eye lid, use an S9 and use your finger to tap on it you are stared at horribly, like you are the devil
As for this deliberate slowing down of phones, well it's massively exaggerated imo and it's obvious older phones with less memory and slower CPUs will struggle with large updates. This is now a myth imo, relevant at some point but you are still using an Iphone3 are you? You move on and with 8gb memory and fast CPU it will still be going strong before you can say S15 yes please
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+! thanks points! for You!
The info about Note and S9 and eye-stare will be helpful.
How about when I use a S9 with a stylus pen instead of a finger?
As for deliberate slowing down pf phones..... I like Your attitude although I don't agree with your point of view cause when You really look at the bigger picture not only from Samsung's stand point but other brands, Google as Android manufactuer, the early 1900's story of bulbs, modern cars, everything and you return later form this wide picture to Samsung''s perspective with all that's been happening everywhere a person that is well oriented in mobile stuff and can even do some tests by himself can CLEARly see that phones are deliberately being slown down. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge for instance could handle Android Pie with ease as well much more next ones if it weren't for that sad practice - of course AS LONG AS there would be no new hardware required new software feature(s) without which the Android future release would loose it's main event special funcionality.
However. I would like to hear what You and other have to say about it, cause I can see that people here make very interesting points and not often a major myth is being discovered thanks to our conversations.
Please enjoy and come in everyone
BTW is norma S10 without PLUS even a contender for Note9?
Kind people of XDA hellp me make a decision please. Write what you think
Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!
I have both devices. Battery better on the S10+. Screen better. Speed faster. Unlocks quicker and easier for me, lighter, thinner, sound is much louder , camera gas the wife mode, selfie is better. The only thing I am [not] missing is the s pen.
I had the note 9, and just got my s10 plus yesterday. There is absolutely no comparison camera wise. My note 9 was horrendous, and in any sunny out door setting it would blow out the highlights and over expose. The hdr function was **** too. S10 plus is the best phone I've ever used
I have both also but Ive only had the S10 plus for a few days so I cant make a detailed comparison yet.
What I will say is the ultrasonic fingerprint scanner on the S10 needs more development..its terrible.
Hardly ever unlocks the first try and is slow when it does unlock. My Note 9 unlocks the first time every time and is instant.
Im sure sammy will improve the function with software updates but even after a few days the S10 plus is annoying me due to this.
I also miss being able to use face unlock on the S10 due to having to wear surgical gloves at work it is handy at tines, they really should have left the retina scanner on the device.
Unlocking your phone is a basic function and should work flawlessly, its just not there yet on the S10 IMO.
@ekerbuddyeker @sstanton86 @force70
You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?
androidbadboy said:
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You folks literaly came from thy sky for me with your outstanding answers (You all get +1 T of course).
I am now in a serious peril: S10+ costs the same from the day of pre-order, Note9's price is still significant but it dropped to 90% of it's launch price plus it has a payback promotion making the price drop to the 80% of Note9's premiere price.
I also found a shop with the last new Note8s for 51% launch price of Note9.
I'm so confused now, what would you advice me in this situation?
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Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.
force70 said:
Id rule out the the note 8, i had an S8 plus but the fingerprint scanner was in an absolutely idiotic place beside the camera, Note 8 isn't much better. Also it does not have stereo speakers.
For me at the moment I prefer my Note 9 still to the S10 plus and if in a few weeks I'm still not liking the S10 plus ill get rid of it.
In favour of the S10 plus is the camera set up, louder speakers and it is more comfortable in hand. Newer hardware as well of course.
I mean you really cannot go wrong with either and Im nitpicking the S10 plus really lol.
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"nitpicking" - maybe you thought of not picking.
The reason I mentioned Note8 is that I just want to expriance that phone for a while and probably sell it after 3 months or who knows, everyone claims that I could get addicted to Note and never buy anything else....
I will test a bunch of flagships from many brands like Huawei, Samsung, LG, Xiaomi, OnePlus, Oppo and then decide which is the one for me. I bet it could be a Note vs. S10+ vs. a ..... Xiaomi (!!!!)
androidbadboy said:
Ohh I forgot to mention this will be a snack for these users that want 2 phones S10+ and Note9, here it is:
due to debut of S10 and finished preorder selling (mainly due to that) and perhaps the Huawei danger of P30/P30 Pro Samsung decided to:
- lower the price of Note 9,
- sell it with payback in some areas and/or other bonuses
- all color versions are acceptable
- the normal model with 128 GB of internal storage is 100% under the obove rules I don't know if the special ones are.
Can You help me pick up a winner in this fight. Every reply is welcome. Every argument is needed! Please respond!
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Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.
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Well man the Note 9 is now 7 months old and it is about £300 cheaper than the S10+
I don't think any 2018 Exynos device is good for that price, the SoC was just badly made, they tried to fix it with Pie but there's not much left to be done.
If we rule out the Note 9 for it being an older device and overall a worse deal, the S10+ wins for:
Thinner
Better cameras
Better power management
Better thermals
Subjectively better design
Superior panel and HDR+
SoC that isn't bad at all, and has plenty of software improvement room
More RAM on base models
Will soon get dedicated night mode and 25W charging if you care about that
Could be one of the last flagships with a headphone jack
AI implementation to adapt the phone to your usage
Gorilla Glass 6
Safer fingerprint authentication that can't be physically hacked with glue
You can get it for £800 as a student
I was very tempted to buy the Note 9 when it came out, right now it feels like a stupid choice, I'd feel bad for owning it knowing I gave up on all those improvements from the next generation.
Mobile phones can be seen as a remote extension of our nervous system due to all the things they allow us to do better and faster, I would never cheap out on such day to day element, the Note 9 isn't bad but it feels wrong to me.
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+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?
androidbadboy said:
+ 1 Thanks!
1. It's amazing how we agree on the importance of a smartphone. I always tell the people who don't want to "waste" their money for a flagship that the phone is like a third hand, you need to have it as good as possible.
2. I feel being now really drawn more and more after each reply in this S10+ Forum.
3. So You think that Note9 has a bad Exynos?
4. How about Note8 that I could have for 51% of the launch prize of Note9?
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That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.
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That Exynos is quite bad, yeah.
The Note 8 on the other hand is not just slower than that Exynos, sure it's cheaper but they easily get burn-in, I saw many S8 and Note 8 screens having burned notification and nav bars, sometimes the whole facebook interface was there :laugh: it's also reaching end of life regarding major software updates, Pie is its last stop.
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1. Since Note's are business phones I think Samsung will give them longer time for security patches and probably +1 more Android update in compare with the Galaxy S series.
2. Note's are for businessman and You might think that they will change it every September for a new one cause they can simply afford it but I strangely enough they somehow get used to one and stay on him. I witnessed a guy that came down to the mall's electronic shop with the best Samsung device ever (Note 4) and with sad face told the sellers that he thinks it's time to change his Note4 for a newer Note because ........ damn I can't remember that cause I was so shocked.
3. Business man don't really care about having the best or latest phone. The don't have the teens or women's addiction to shopping and having everything new.
4. Businessman have a lot more on their heads than worry about a phone and I think that Samsung realizes it and that's why a Note would win in terms of longevity with a Galaxy S.
5. I am the kind of man that will not get screen burned out - too long story. Just believe me that this argument is not for me.
6.. Now it's up to which Note shall I buy. Cause S10+ will be bought eventually during 12to24 months.
7. Note8 is so cheap that I could make my dreams come true and test every brand like I mentioned a couple of posts before.
8. Please don't give up and try to fight for Note9 or Note8 or against them., cause if I don't buy any of them I could quicker roll over the competition phones by saving the money that I have for Note8/Note9.