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SoM board upgrade from RK3188 to RK3288

Now that Joying seems to be pretty close to the release of their RK3188 version of Android 5.1.1 lollipop, do you think we could start some kind of petition to them to upgrade to RK3288? maybe it wont be so hard after all the development done to bring 5.1.1 over RK3188, since RK3188 dont have official support for lollipop they are using an old kernel and more than likely RK3288 code that has official lollipop support from Rockchip, like other custom lollipop roms for the RK3188 out there.
May be if we show them that there is a real demand, they will go for it, after all, the demand for lollipop made them create this hybrid rom for backward compatibility with their existent hardware, wich could be a lot harder that work on an already officialy supported SoM with and SDK.
I know that SoM swaps have been done before from Rk3066 to RK3188 and the gains where huge... so why change the whole Head Unit when we just need a new SoM, also I've heard of providers that actually sell the replacement SoM from RK3066 to RK3188... so why not try between many of us to ask for this next step from Joying, with faster Boot times(this is a must), more CPU processing power, more RAM and better GPU?
What do you think?

I'm very curious about this as well

rubenjavier said:
Now that Joying seems to be pretty close to the release of their RK3188 version of Android 5.1.1 lollipop, do you think we could start some kind of petition to them to upgrade to RK3288? maybe it wont be so hard after all the development done to bring 5.1.1 over RK3188, since RK3188 dont have official support for lollipop they are using an old kernel and more than likely RK3288 code that has official lollipop support from Rockchip, like other custom lollipop roms for the RK3188 out there.
May be if we show them that there is a real demand, they will go for it, after all, the demand for lollipop made them create this hybrid rom for backward compatibility with their existent hardware, wich could be a lot harder that work on an already officialy supported SoM with and SDK.
I know that SoM swaps have been done before from Rk3066 to RK3188 and the gains where huge... so why change the whole Head Unit when we just need a new SoM, also I've heard of providers that actually sell the replacement SoM from RK3066 to RK3188... so why not try between many of us to ask for this next step from Joying, with faster Boot times(this is a must), more CPU processing power, more RAM and better GPU?
What do you think?
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Excellent idea. I just sent away a Facebook message to Joying asking them about this.
RK3288 would indeed be a major upgrade. Cortex A9->Cortex A17, Mali 400 -> 700 series, dual channel DDR3, eMMC4.5 and most likely Bluetooth 4.x support etc.

If you want a real upgrade, get them to move away from Rockchip all together.

leonkernan said:
If you want a real upgrade, get them to move away from Rockchip all together.
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Any suggestions?

Joying doesn't make the SoM's, it's Rockchip that places them on the market . basically no head unit manufacturer can make more than a carrier board, they do not have the knowledge for more.

They sell RK3288 SoM upgrades: https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Firefly-RK3288-Reload-CoreBoard-Quad-core-A17-1-8GHz-Support-Ubuntu-Android-HDMI2-0-4K/32626693047.html?ws_ab_test=searchweb0_0,searchweb201602_1_10000560_10000606_10000561_10000073_10130_10000074_10000608_10000709_10000660_10000704_10000703_10000175_10000509_10000507_10000505_10000558_10136_10000068_10000552_10000369_10000063_10000365_10000367_10099_10000663_10000665_10096_10000669_10000569_10000097_10000094_10000337_10000723_10000090_10000147_10000091_10000726_10000144_10000339_10000729_10000150_10000679_10084_10000678_10083_10000676_10080_10000153_10000673_10082_10081_10110_10111_10112_10113_10000535_10114_10000534_10000089_10000086_10000710_10000083_10000349_10000690_10000135_10000716_10000693_10000080_10078_10000717_10079_10077_10000688_10073_10000684_10000140_10070_10122_10123_10126_10124_10000546_10065_10068_10000746_10000782_10000743_10000132_10000033_10000786_10000030_10000026_10000126_10000023_10000129_433_10000123_10000696_10060_10062_10000699_10056_10055_10054_10000632_302_10059_10000738_10000120_10000774_10000734_10000020_10000778_10000013_10000117_10103_10102_10000016_10000114_10000111_10052_10053_10107_10050_10106_10051_10000621_10000384_10000763_10000629_10000766_10000101_10000100_10000576_10000770_10000579_10000104_10000045_10000578_10000375_10000108_10000377_10000758_10000612_10000390_10000613_10000042_10000750_10000592_10000754_10000594_10000039_10000587_10000036_10000389_10000187,searchweb201603_9,afswitch_1,ppcSwitch_5,single_sort_0_price_desc&btsid=ef5e601f-b560-425f-a799-d4145b3ca2f9&algo_expid=54085468-96d0-47dd-9e78-ef975803d812-1&algo_pvid=54085468-96d0-47dd-9e78-ef975803d812 Couldn't you just swap them without any trouble?

Would that fit a Rk3066 800x480 MTCB unit?

Android Head Unit Advice

Hi all,
I've been looking to upgrade the head unit in my car. I came across Android HUs on eBay.
This seems to be the best one on eBay to my (very limited) knowledge:
http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Android-7...e=STRK:MEBIDX:IT&_trksid=p2060353.m1438.l2649
Are they any good? I have also seen them on Alibaba/Aliexpress. Are they all the same or are certain ones better? Prices can vary wildly.
If someone could point me in the right direction for the best quality HU I'd be very grateful!

That a px3 new modle with 2gig ram so yes it good but i would go for px5 chip if possible as it an 8 core both have great support on here malesky rom is excellent i personally wouldn't go for intel sofia as there slightly less support but that can change there some and root from what i read but no custom rom i could be wrong this is just my opinion
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The download link is on first page of his page v5 is his latest https://yadi.sk/d/ouDv5oAo3Mh7M5 this his link to v5 it says download limit reached but all you do is just make an account then save to your yandisk acount then you can download

chris4507 said:
That a px3 new modle with 2gig ram so yes it good but i would go for px5 chip if possible as it an 8 core both have great support on here malesky rom is excellent i personally wouldn't go for intel sofia as there slightly less support but that can change there some and root from what i read but no custom rom i could be wrong this is just my opinion
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The download link is on first page of his page v5 is his latest https://yadi.sk/d/ouDv5oAo3Mh7M5 this his link to v5 it says download limit reached but all you do is just make an account then save to your yandisk acount then you can download
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Less support? You should SEE what they're doing on the joying forum.... They've got the whole MCU protocol reverse engineered, and have the things running on the base AOSP (i.e., without all the chinese trash applications installed).

luciusfox said:
Less support? You should SEE what they're doing on the joying forum.... They've got the whole MCU protocol reverse engineered, and have the things running on the base AOSP (i.e., without all the chinese trash applications installed).
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Well that changes alot as i said i could be wrong lol you have to admit it is hard navigating throu these forums we could do with having them all cleaned up put into sections px5 px3 intel ..... Like the mobile section if you get me but anyway thanks for the info that may well be the next for me so do you think intel sofia ones better that px5 ?

So this is confusing me even more lol.
I've found the PX-5 unit which @chris4507 mentioned. Seems expensive but I'm willing to pay more for a piece of mind:
https://www.seicane.com/oem-2-din-2...nk-obd2-3g-wifi-backup-camera-canbus-s127000e
Can't find anything that mentions Joying? I'm not sure what that is...

mikem1989 said:
So this is confusing me even more lol.
I've found the PX-5 unit which @chris4507 mentioned. Seems expensive but I'm willing to pay more for a piece of mind:
https://www.seicane.com/oem-2-din-2...nk-obd2-3g-wifi-backup-camera-canbus-s127000e
Can't find anything that mentions Joying? I'm not sure what that is...
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2GB RAM Octa Core Android 6.0 Car DVD GPS Navigation Multimedia Player Car Stereo for Fiat BRAVO 2007-2012 Radio Headunit
http://s.aliexpress.com/eiArENfu
(from AliExpress Android) theres this for fiat bravo anno there bit more expensive but px3 4 core px5 8 but up to you i dont know much about intel sofia and apparently there is support out there for them i.e custom roms so someone else who know will have to inform you which is better px5 or sofia but can garentee px5 better than px3

chris4507 said:
2GB RAM Octa Core Android 6.0 Car DVD GPS Navigation Multimedia Player Car Stereo for Fiat BRAVO 2007-2012 Radio Headunit
http://s.aliexpress.com/eiArENfu
(from AliExpress Android) theres this for fiat bravo anno there bit more expensive but px3 4 core px5 8 but up to you i dont know much about intel sofia and apparently there is support out there for them i.e custom roms so someone else who know will have to inform you which is better px5 or sofia but can garentee px5 better than px3
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I may go for the PX5. It seems to be well supported. The Chinese Android head units do seem a bit of a gamble but have great potential.
I do agree with you that this forum should have more subsections, which would make it easier to navigate/ find the information I'm looking for.

mikem1989 said:
So this is confusing me even more lol.
I've found the PX-5 unit which @chris4507 mentioned. Seems expensive but I'm willing to pay more for a piece of mind:
https://www.seicane.com/oem-2-din-2...nk-obd2-3g-wifi-backup-camera-canbus-s127000e
Can't find anything that mentions Joying? I'm not sure what that is...
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Just to be a prick... http://bfy.tw/EU5z

luciusfox said:
Just to be a prick... http://bfy.tw/EU5z
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Cheers mate...
I thought googling joying would yield similar pointless results as when I google PX5 (try it and see what comes up).
Been new to this, I actually thought 'joying' was a CPU name like PX5 is. I was keeping an eye out for joying in the specs.

luciusfox said:
Just to be a prick... http://bfy.tw/EU5z
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How did you do that btw?
We all enjoy being a prick. I want to do one for when people ask stupid questions on FB, like "What time does the Asda down the road close?"

mikem1989 said:
How did you do that btw?
We all enjoy being a prick. I want to do one for when people ask stupid questions on FB, like "What time does the Asda down the road close?"
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Literally search Google for let me Google that for you.
Or visit here.
Which is lmgtfy =
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luciusfox said:
Less support? You should SEE what they're doing on the joying forum.... They've got the whole MCU protocol reverse engineered, and have the things running on the base AOSP (i.e., without all the chinese trash applications installed).
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...disabled on xda, he sure does claim alot. Context is the JY sofia unit, which may or may not use the same protocol as MTCx.
For OP, read before you buy and understand what you are buying; do you need to rush.
These px3/px5 and sofia (except sofia jy) are all common reference units with many resellers and only a few manufacturers. They call work from a common reference design (MTCD being the latest) with a few minor variations - such as amp IC.
Beat you to it @typos1

marchnz said:
...disabled on xda, he sure does claim alot. Context is the JY sofia unit, which may or may not use the same protocol as MTCx.
For OP, read before you buy and understand what you are buying; do you need to rush.
These px3/px5 and sofia (except sofia jy) are all common reference units with many resellers and only a few manufacturers. They call work from a common reference design (MTCD being the latest) with a few minor variations - such as amp IC.
Beat you to it @typos1
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You say that as if you don't believe a word of it, which is a pretty curious position for anyone to take when there is actual SOURCE CODE being provided. So you don't believe it? Maybe you should actually try it out. Check out the source code, build it, install it.
There are actually two main competing "sources". One is, as you mention, MTC, the other is FYT. Joying was initially reselling MTC units being built by Joyous (confusing?), buy they switched to SYU, which was manufacturing units based on the FYT SoM (specifically, FYT5009, and later they switched to FYT6021 which is basically the same, but has a different physical interface). Shortly after, FYT acquired SYU.
One of the big advantages to the FYT/SYU design is that there is a whole lot LESS dependency on the MCU. For example, you can search through the MTC forums and will find reference to a hardware modification to disconnect the i2c lines controlling the BD37xxx sound processor from the MCU and attach it to the SoC. This modification is entirely redundant on the FYT/SYU units, because the BD37xxx is built into the SoM rather than being added on later to the mainboard through the MCU. So right off the bat, it is a heck of a lot easier to manage the FYT units than the MTC units.
The MCU on the FYT designs is responsible for these functions;
1) AMFM radio,
2) GPIO, which basically means the binary car i/o signals; ACC, headlights, reverse, e-brake, amp power (out), antenna power (out). And on top of that, it has two analog inputs for 2-channel steering wheel interfaces.
And guess what? Everything else is directly controllable.
So you're absolutely right that the work being done for the joying units (FYT) is not in any way applicable to the MTC units. You can take that to mean that nobody with an MTC will be able to benefit from it, which means that they remain restricted by the broken software being distributed by the chinese manufacturers, whereas somebody who buys a Joying unit will have the freedom to CHOOSE if they want to use the broken chinese firmware, or try out the much LESS broken open source firmware, and contribute to that firmware if they like.
There are also plans to bring Android 8 to the Joying units.
Now one other consideration for the joying/fyt units; since the job of the MCU is so radically simplified compared to the MTC units, there is also a reasonable prospect of somebody one day deciding to build an open source MCU firmware for them. Its not like these MCU's are super secret chips that nobody can program anything for. The biggest part of that job will just be in writing the driver for working the AMFM radio, and AMFM radios really aren't all that complex. In the past, there have been hacker modifications for the MTC MCU firmware, but very restricted in scope due to the heap of bad code. Basically, the reverse engineering effort was insurmountable. With the MCU for the FYT, the only reverse engineering that is actually needed is restricted to simply tracing the circuit, then it can simply be written from scratch. Remember, its just AMFM radio and GPIO's.

luciusfox said:
You say that as if you don't believe a word of it, which is a pretty curious position for anyone to take when there is actual SOURCE CODE being provided. So you don't believe it? Maybe you should actually try it out. Check out the source code, build it, install it.
There are actually two main competing "sources". One is, as you mention, MTC, the other is FYT. Joying was initially reselling MTC units being built by Joyous (confusing?), buy they switched to SYU, which was manufacturing units based on the FYT SoM (specifically, FYT5009, and later they switched to FYT6021 which is basically the same, but has a different physical interface). Shortly after, FYT acquired SYU.
One of the big advantages to the FYT/SYU design is that there is a whole lot LESS dependency on the MCU. For example, you can search through the MTC forums and will find reference to a hardware modification to disconnect the i2c lines controlling the BD37xxx sound processor from the MCU and attach it to the SoC. This modification is entirely redundant on the FYT/SYU units, because the BD37xxx is built into the SoM rather than being added on later to the mainboard through the MCU. So right off the bat, it is a heck of a lot easier to manage the FYT units than the MTC units.
The MCU on the FYT designs is responsible for these functions;
1) AMFM radio,
2) GPIO, which basically means the binary car i/o signals; ACC, headlights, reverse, e-brake, amp power (out), antenna power (out). And on top of that, it has two analog inputs for 2-channel steering wheel interfaces.
And guess what? Everything else is directly controllable.
So you're absolutely right that the work being done for the joying units (FYT) is not in any way applicable to the MTC units. You can take that to mean that nobody with an MTC will be able to benefit from it, which means that they remain restricted by the broken software being distributed by the chinese manufacturers, whereas somebody who buys a Joying unit will have the freedom to CHOOSE if they want to use the broken chinese firmware, or try out the much LESS broken open source firmware, and contribute to that firmware if they like.
There are also plans to bring Android 8 to the Joying units.
Now one other consideration for the joying/fyt units; since the job of the MCU is so radically simplified compared to the MTC units, there is also a reasonable prospect of somebody one day deciding to build an open source MCU firmware for them. Its not like these MCU's are super secret chips that nobody can program anything for. The biggest part of that job will just be in writing the driver for working the AMFM radio, and AMFM radios really aren't all that complex. In the past, there have been hacker modifications for the MTC MCU firmware, but very restricted in scope due to the heap of bad code. Basically, the reverse engineering effort was insurmountable. With the MCU for the FYT, the only reverse engineering that is actually needed is restricted to simply tracing the circuit, then it can simply be written from scratch. Remember, its just AMFM radio and GPIO's.
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Makes sense, thanks for the thoughtful and detailed response.
Was sceptical that anything might come of it.

Basically, what I am getting from this is that I should buy a Joying unit?...
It's a shame, as I do not like the physical appearance of them. The PX5 unit visibly suits my car much better.

mikem1989 said:
Basically, what I am getting from this is that I should buy a Joying unit?...
It's a shame, as I do not like the physical appearance of them. The PX5 unit visibly suits my car much better.
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Its certainly what I would do.
As far as appearance goes, they have an "all black glass rectangle". Pretty hard to beat that visually.

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mikem1989 said:
Basically, what I am getting from this is that I should buy a Joying unit?...
It's a shame, as I do not like the physical appearance of them. The PX5 unit visibly suits my car much better.
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Feel free to correct me if Im wrong - the pros n cons of each platform:
JY (sofia FTY)
Pros:
- Android Bluetooth, better a2dp quality.
- 3G built in option
- True 3 band eq(?)
- Android control of audio (?)
- potentially AOSP on these units within an undefined timeline
Cons:
- same as MTCD in terms of software bugs/overall quality
- RDS AF issue/non-function
- small number of manufacturers
- suspect JY to drop sofia soon and move to PX5
SOM (this might be based on same reference as sofia w/built in BT?)
- Still uses MCU, albeit less functions are performed by MCU
-hardware QA
- rubbish warranty as all other chinese reseller
- rubbish reseller support as all other chinese reseller
MTCD
Pros:
- Wide support and spares.
- high update cycle, availability of mcu and android due to multiple resellers, greater probability of a vendor releasing updates based on the reference release (e.g.currently HA releasing both HA and HCT reference updates)
- Ability to upgrade SOM or replace on failure
- same boot time/sleep as JY sofia
- same features as JY sofia
- greater model/case variations
- ostensibly more devs writing custom apps/control mods
Cons:
-Awful BT implementation (i suspect a port from wince units )
- above results in terrible a2dp quality and until recently bad quality/echo phone handsfree
- same RDS AF issue
- Hardware QA
- rubbish warranty as all other chinese reseller
- rubbish reseller support as all other chinese reseller
Anything else or do I have anything wrong here?

I'm still not decided between PX3 or PX5.
Does anyone know when they are due an update? (better CPU/More RAM)
Is it a yearly thing?
If so, may just wait for the next iteration.

mikem1989 said:
I'm still not decided between PX3 or PX5.
Does anyone know when they are due an update? (better CPU/More RAM)
Is it a yearly thing?
If so, may just wait for the next iteration.
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I've read that to move GPS Navigation and music at the same time comfortably, you should have at least 2 GB and PX5, but the Intel Sofia seems to be the best one of all.
Sent from my LG-D955 using Tapatalk

ptolomeo said:
I've read that to move GPS Navigation and music at the same time comfortably, you should have at least 2 GB and PX5, but the Intel Sofia seems to be the best one of all.
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The Intel Sofia only seems to be available in the joying units from what I see. With the fascia I want for my car it looks like I can choose between PX3 or PX5 only.
Think I'll go PX5. Unless there are any updated models on the horizon.

MTCD or Joying?

Hello,
I'm looking to upgrade the stock head unit of my 2005 Opel Meriva to an android-based HU and I'm not sure which one I want. I've been reading up on the development threads here, which seem to be split between PX5-based MTCD units on the one hand and Intel Sofia-based Joying units. Please correct me in anything I might have researched wrongly, as that might help me make the right decision. I'm in favor of vendors shipping from EU warehouses because of the insanely long waiting times for Chinese shipping and customs hassle & delays.
The three options that seem to make most sense for the moment are:
Joying - for the actual hardware (on the other hand, maybe PX5 is better than Sofia b/c of thermal throttling issues?)
https://www.carjoying.de/2017-new-o...stem-hd-screen-support-backup-camera-dab.html
Eonon 8155 - for the looks (advertised as quad core with no further info - is this an MTCD with PX3? Why does it have Android 7?
https://eonon.com/Android-Car-GPS/V...h-Double-Din-AM-FM-Multimedia-Car-Stereo.html
Any MTCD PX5 based HU - for software versatility, that is, Malaysk CFW (which vendor - advice please? Pumpkin maybe?)
I've seen some MTCD offers look like the Eonon. Getting one of those would really be cool. Any EU sources aside from Aliex?
So here's more on what I am looking for:
I like rooting and flashing my Androids and would like to at least have root access on the device. From what I've read, this is possible on both platforms. Opposed to Joying (?), the PX5 platform also has Malaysk's AOSP based FW - is this any good for a daily driver/full replacement of stock ROM, or are there any missing features? Is there also a custom ROM for Sofia? I've seen someone recently mention something along the lines of, there's a lot of development going on for Joying - I've seen lots of scripts and rooting guides, but I haven't found anything like a custom ROM. Is there something in the making that I've just not been able to find?
Also, the Joying unit has no built in mobile data modem, or only works via their external 4G stick (available for extra € ofc), while I've read that PX5 based units usually have it integrated. Can MTCD units also interface with cameras?
Can any of these units read Opel CANbus data like RPM/liters per 100km? How about OBDII BT adapters, can MTCD/Joying use my old ELM327 one or do I have to buy a new one because of some vendor-implemented driver lockout? The CFW of MTCD would fix that, right?
Thanks for reading through this wall of text and for any answers in advance.
TL;DR
Want to buy android HU for 2005 Meriva. Joying (Sofia) or MTCD (PX5)? If the latter, which vendor can you recommend for EU?

New manufacturer/MCU?!

Hi Guys, quick question, I've searched around the forums and can't find anything about my unit the reseller is Sinosmart it's a SoFia based unit 2GB Ram 32GB Rom non 3G for a Chev/Holden Cruze it's running Android 6.01, the MCU 2017-06-09 RUL_(NOR)_90_C9_685x_5009_CAN(All)_Newlap_Amp, I understand that it may be a non branded joying type unit. The only issue I'm having with it is I can't control screen brightness at all the sliders do nothing and the night/illumination function does nothing. Any help would be greatly appreciated

Just an update I found this at the 4pda forum RUL = Sinosmart so they make their own variant of the MCU software, is this correct? In regards to rooting the unit, is it safe to use the non joying boot image on these forums, has anyone else had experience with this brand? Thanks in advance

Joying units are manufactured by an outfit called "Carsql" aka "SYU", which is now owned by the manufacturer of the SoM, "FYT". They (SYU/SQL/FYT) have a lot of customers that they manufacture radios for, INCLUDING Joying, and likely yours as well. Usually, the MCU is tagged with the customer ID.
This is much the same as MTC, which also has a lot of customers that they make radios for, which *used to* include Joying, who I guess got a better deal and/or better product from SYU.
I can tell you that from a hardware engineering point of view, the SQL/FYT units are a lot better than the MTC units.
Software wise, however, its a wash. They all suck.

So what your saying is in my case Sinosmart is a customer of SQL/FYT if this is the case and a lot of the units are made by the one company for these re seller groups, how come the mcu's aren't cross compatible I understand rom's can be if they are based on the same SOC in my case the intel Sofia, why is there a separation between joying and all the other intel based units, does joying use an mcu unique to their units? also wouldn't the joying/other brand sofia based unit rom's be compatible with each other, or is it not that simple due to slight variations in gps chips, radio chips, ect....hopefully that makes sense! Thanks for your reply

oopshtyler said:
So what your saying is in my case Sinosmart is a customer of SQL/FYT if this is the case and a lot of the units are made by the one company for these re seller groups, how come the mcu's aren't cross compatible I understand rom's can be if they are based on the same SOC in my case the intel Sofia, why is there a separation between joying and all the other intel based units, does joying use an mcu unique to their units? also wouldn't the joying/other brand sofia based unit rom's be compatible with each other, or is it not that simple due to slight variations in gps chips, radio chips, ect....hopefully that makes sense! Thanks for your reply
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Almost all compatibility problems are *intentional*. They just put a string into the MCU version field that the OS uses to decide if it wants to play nice or dirty.
More than likely, those units are FULLY compatible.

No ones reverse engineered the mcu flash files? I read a while back someone had done or had partial success with the older units on then 4pda site

Recommend me a new head unit

Ive been using android units for years, currently Ive got a 10.1 Joying Sofia unit I want to replace, a JY-UL134N2, im fed up with how quickly Joying abandoned it. Ive had various make and spec units in the past as things have evolved.
Im specifically looking for another double din unit with a 10 inch screen.
Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
Ive read talk about some units now coming with better DSP setups which would be good.
I saw a 10.1 screen version of the ATOTO A6 Pro I liked but their specs like dual bluetooth make me wonder if theyre Malaysk compatible and the hardware specs seem to lag behind with quad core and less ram.
I also read that Dasaita are very good at ongoing support.
I have also been considering the xtrons TE103AP.
Essentially based on the above I would appreciate peoples suggestions as I want to make a purchase soon since my Joying has become problematic.

mindriot said:
Basically Im looking for something with good update support thats PX5 based, 4gb ram and 32gb rom or better.
Ideally something Malaysk compatible too.
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In that case make sure you get a PX5 MTCE unit - then it will be compatible with the Malaysk or Hal9K roms. If it isn't MTCE you won't have much luck with mods.

Thanks for replying, know any with a 10.1 screen specifically?
Ive been refamiliarising and some of the new intel based airmont ones sound interesting for speed and with dsp but ive only seen the joying unit and im not fond of the type of screen mounting.
Theres also the talk about PX6 units but they seem to be much slower arriving than expected.

This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html

millab said:
This looks like your best bet
http://xtrons.co.uk/te103ap-10-1-an...vd-player-with-adjustable-viewing-angles.html
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Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.

Yeah I have a PX5 with DSP and the DSP is pretty good - there are ways of adding it to a unit, but it requires some soldering apparently. You could ask Xtrons if they can add it for you. I know some sellers give that option.

Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).

mindriot said:
Good suggestion, I have sent an email will see if I get a reply.
It must be possible Im guessing the XV8 from androidautoshop is the same unit : https://androidautoshop.com/univers...32gb-entertainment-system.html#/26-map-europe
Im tempted to just commit and buy though sense dictates I should wait and see what PX6 or Airmont stuff comes out soon (maybe).
On that thought does anyone know of any Airmont based double din units with DSP there are with a 10 inch screen (if any) are out yet? (other than the one joying unit being discussed recently).
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Yes that one looks the same. Android Auto Shop units also come pre-rooted with Hal9K ROM apparently, and you can get a $25 discount with a link in the Hal9K ROM thread here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/an...nt/rom-hal9k-rom-3-mtcd-e-head-units-t3847477

I think that has expired the site doesnt recognise it.
No matter will still consider the purchase.
Never tried hal9k just malaysk some time back before i had the sofia unit.

Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.

mindriot said:
Well as yet xtrons havent bothered to respond if they could supply one with a DSP fitted.
androidautoshop responded quickly to a couple of emails asking for some details, then frustratingly I found the XV8 is now sold out lol.
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Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.

millab said:
Haha of course that would happen! I hope they have stock again soon for you, it really looks like your best option.
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Xtrons finally responded, saying their unit isnt dsp compatible.
Meaning really they dont have any equipped units to sell.

Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.

mindriot said:
Just a follow up, looks like Hal9k is going to do an A9 version for PX6 MTCE units, and the Dasaita Max6 10.2 unit with DSP is a perfect match, so Ill be buying that one soon.
https://www.aliexpress.com/item/Das...l?spm=a2g0s.imconversation.0.0.107e3e5fMUsClN
I sent Dasaita a message asking and they confirmed its MTCE.
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I've been looking at this same one. Do you really need a custom rom though with these? I mean... it's a radio..not a phone. Isn't a custom launcher good enough? (assuming we still have root)

They are much, much more than a radio. They are computers akin to decent tablets WITH a radio and amplifier added, essentially the MCU part combined with the system core board.
In the past ive used malaysk on mtcb and mtcd units, then gtx on a sofia unit. Many cusstom roms on phones too for many years. Ive found custom roms are worth it, removing bloat, making them perform better and adding sensible features, ie a lock screen on boot with gtx or more responsive with mslaysk making them safer to use when driving. Or better sound processing, more useability, xposed, gps fixes, bluetooth fixes, rds fixes, and so on the list is quite significant for some devices.
Unfortunately with most resellers, and makers for that matter, little or at least minimum effort goes into the android aspect beyond looks with these stereos. As always the work done by people here at xda bridges the gap to help make significant improvements to some devices.
In my opinion and experience buying these units in stock form are akin to unfinished, it takes a custom rom to make them what they should. Yes theyre improving all the time and i havent experienced dasaita before (their rep for android updates is good) ive most recently wasted my money on a couple of joying units (never again), also consider the likes of hal9k is sponsored by androidautoshop and they actually supply many of their units preinstalled with hal9k instead of stock i believe.

Just bought a head unit from AndroidAutoShop, I can keep you posted on what I think when it arrives and I get it installed.

I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio

AMRivlin said:
I too am looking to get a semi future proof 10" double din (or single) HU.
I've been looking at Xtrons, I'll study Dasiata.
Any difference between 8.1 or 9.0?
I will primarily use Android Auto, Assistant & Radio
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I looked at Xtrons units, but for my car they only had units with PX30, and I would like something with PX6.
What I have heard, Android 9 is more "smoother" and faster than 8.1. Just an overall improvement I think.

Does DSP affect the ability to use custom ROMs like Malaysk?

mindriot said:
Yep thats the one i keep coming back to thanks. Ive got very used to the bigger screen which works very well in a vw T5 dashboard.
Just the advent of airmont items has me distracted, and the idea of a dsp added, but ive lived fine without advanced dsp up until now
However the px5 is apparently the equal or better of sofia 3gr so that would do, especially with malaysk etc vs bloated stock roms.
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Malaysk works on Intel Sofia? Thought it was on RockChip