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Hey guys, I have been using smart phones for a while and usually get around great without rooting. I had the HTC Dream back in the day and couldnt use it without rooting, lol. I am upgrading from the G1 which has met the end of the road for me. What are the benefits of rooting? With the Vibrant which I will finally have on Tuesday, is it necessary? And if it is HIGHLY recommended, how do I go about rooting it?
i would say root it cause its really easy takes not even 5 minutes seriously lol but i would also root it cause there is lots of bloatware on this thing so many apps that arent needed
I am not generally a rooter but this one seemed so easy (and it is) that I did it.
I didn't root the phone to dig into the files, I did it just so I could install stuff that I couldn't otherwise install. It bugged me to see a cool app and then read "YOU MUST HAVE ROOT ACCESS". That's not a problem anymore.
You certainly don't lose anything by rooting so I would say go for it.
Any other disadvantages/advantages
really there are no disadvantages accept maybe warranty but i think theres a way to unroot so no probs but once everything starts picking up there will be way more advantages than disadvantages
Besides the fact of removing awful apps (Bloatware), you can use your phone to tether. Also you can use an app called SetCPU to overclock your processor to actaully use your 1GHZ processor which speeds your phone up, along with a ton of other root apps. Youll be able to flash custom ROMS, flash themes, etc. Not sure if there is a volume hack for the vibrant yet, but that has been a reason for past rooted phones as well.
I highly recommend it...
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reasons to root
1. Use apps that require root access (such as Titanium Backup and Drocap2)
2. Remove preloaded bloatware (who needs TeleNav when Google Maps Navigation is totally free?)
3. Full access to filesystem (useful for developers and general tinkerers)
reasons not to root
1. Always involves some risk (however small) of irreversibly damaging your device
2. Could void warranty or official support
3. Makes it easier for you to accidentally mess up your system.
I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.
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I only rooted my mytouch and g1 phones so i can get apps2sd, wi-tethering, and overclockcpu.
however, since the upcoming froyo update will allow most of that, i chose not to root for the time being. the phone is very fast and stable for my current needs and has an ample amount of internal memory. the only other reason to root for me would be to flash roms/themes because of my dislike for Samsung's TouchWiz.
it depends on what you ultimately want to get out of your phone.
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Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.
Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help
Hmm, still debating on rooting. Waiting for my Froyo update. Plus I want to port my Harley-Davidson theme I made for my G1 to Vibrant. Hopefully they don't use those CRAMS files on Vibrant, cause that is when I had to stop themeing my G1. CRAMS was too difficult to mess with. Is the signing file method gonna be the same as G1, or is there a different testsign file? Plus I hope to see my stock file, plus a thinned down, less bloatware file, and themeing templates. So many factors to consider.
I say ROOT! I've never rooted a phone till this one. I just couldn't stand all the bloatware that was in this phone. They just had to be removed. Now all I'm waiting for are some sick ass ROMs I've seen done for other devices to hit this one. I'm sure I'll need help doing so, but this community has been fantastic when help is needed.
Plus side for me is that I also have a 3 week old New still in the box Nexus One as a backup phone in case I screw this one up.
I rooted mine because people kept saying you could tether, but none of the tethering apps actually WORK. They install fine, and Wireless-Tethering says it's working, but the access point never shows up. And Wired-Tethering says the kernel isn't compatible.
So I'd like to hear from any rooted users who actually got them working AND successfully tethered a laptop with it.
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Same for me i had the g1 loved to root however i switched to unlocked iphone and now im back with the vibrant , the vibrant does everything i want now and the ease of the rooting might have me root if froyo is delayed by Tmobile or something.
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if there's any delay on the froyo update, i'd blame it on samsung
I was hoping not to have to root the phone so soon - especially until I could reset it back and a recover like Amon's is available, but after a glorious couple of days of honeymoon, the lags are just killing the experience for me. And I don't think I have a choice now, but to root. I'll try a general reset and see if it works. I have another Vibrant that seems to be only slightly laggy. But I have to return that one and keep the problematic one :-(
Even moving icons on the desktop now takes almost 2 second. Linpack still clocks at 8.5. No problem at all playing a video - just OS operations. The camera froze for 5 minutes and I finally had to just restart the phone. Restarting the phone is not painful on this device though. Very fast.
At this time so early in Vibrant development.. it honestly doesn't really make much of a difference if you root early or root later. Just enjoy the phone for what it is as of right now until the modding community becomes settled in. Just be aware if there are any incoming OTAs if you are unrooted to make sure that the OTA didn't do anything that would change the rooting process.
- Recovery (ability to flash custom ROMs) is in the making
- Custom ROM developers -- in the makes soon
So here's the question. Should I go ahead and invest on a Vibrant (but work for it will begin when I get the Slide done) cont... about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep
If I keep getting the donations I am now, I can get the laptop along with the Vibrant, just considering the Vibrant first ...cont about 7 hours ago via HTC Peep -WesGarner
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I would personally go ahead and root it to unlock some essential applications and it takes <1 minute to do and its pretty simple. But there isn't any rush to root it now or later.. not at least CyanogenMod6 (Android 2.2) gets released for this beastly phone to have JIT.
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Understood, also from reading I dont think there is a way to unroot the phone at all is it? And another ? since you all are being so helpful, is there already an app to at least see what speed your processor is running at. i know that task managers arent really needed, but some of them showed ur cpu speed as well as the load on it. is that something that anyone had an interest in and found. thanks for all of you all's help
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With the root method given so far, I think the only thing you have to do to unroot it is to remove Superuser Permissions. That's the only thing that the root procedure added to the phone.
I'm rooting my phone when I get it, just because to me (at least) it is a part of the true android experience. I'm just geek enough to like to play with my equipment! Hurry up T-Mobile!!!
First off anyone wanting to root do not update past 8.6.5.19 or 8.6.6.19 for the tf01g the newest firmware update from asus .21 blocks the razorclaw root exploit.
i dnt know about the rest of you but i watched this forum and others for about 2 months straight when i got my B80 tf01 waiting for a way to root...i mean everyday anxiously....to the point i was teaching myself android to see if i could figure out a way myself!! realistic or not..
the transformer isnt my first android device but ive only had a few and infact the tf01 stole me away from my ipad thankfully!!! thanx android!! But once i got root i was so happy it was literally an awesome christmas gift from rayman and the devs and asus ultimately.
Now heres where my observstions come in....whether anyone cares or not...after waiting for root like i did and finally getting it there was no wayespecially after seeing the roms out there that i was puting asus firmware back on my device...the devs will support it better and longer anyway.... why in the world would people who had root just go and OTA update and blow root, im guessing those who did are probably not meant to root and are probably safer not rooted.
I know its not the way it is but its almost like we got a little way in that only those who are advanced enough would be able to get and keep root and those not advanced enough would miss the chance or lose root.. I for one wont put anything straight from asus on my device unless devs just cant do ics which i highly doubt. more likely they will release before asus.
i used to really wonder why there were some questions not answered or the guys in the know getting aggravated about thwe questions over and over again, but not anymore i so respect these guys and totally understand where they are coming from watching people ask some of the questions ive seen in the last few days after this update so makes me get it.
Loosely put the level of noobness is amazing around this neck of the woods ?
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what on earth is the purpose of this post?
Were you high when you wrote this ?
After reading this post twice, I'm still confused what the purpose is.. must have been a nice trip?
I dont agree that anyone but a noob should return to stock. I regard myself pretty clued up with technology and sheer geekery and have been for thirty years, but I returned to stock due to just wanting this device to work. I had certain issues after rooting and was happy with how it worked before rooting. Now I do agree the devs here do a brilliant job, but for me, I am happy with a stock device for the time being.
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not a whole lot of purpose to the post other than warning those who obviously dont know and a little bit of a rant or ramble... it is the general forum and i didnt see anything too terribly wrong with it..
if it was totally out of line then i apologize just some people amaze me sometimes.....
for those who feel stock is more reliabe more power too ya and we are all entitled to our opinions and i just disagree.... stock for me wasnt even close in peformance and obviouly control of my device was far from what i have with root.... i can return to stock anytime if needed but i cant justify it.
Since updates from asus come out pretty often i dont see any point in rooting at least not for me. I did root my nexus one though and got CM7 on it but for my TF101 i still prefer it stock since the updates come really fast and they usually breaks the root exploit and such...i think this is a personal thing, for me i'm pretty satisfied with stock..until they stop giving out updates regularly then i'll start rooting and playing with custom roms on my TF101 just like i did on my N1
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Since updates from asus come out pretty often i dont see any point in rooting at least not for me. I did root my nexus one though and got CM7 on it but for my TF101 i still prefer it stock since the updates come really fast and they usually breaks the root exploit and such...i think this is a personal thing, for me i'm pretty satisfied with stock..until they stop giving out updates regularly then i'll start rooting and playing with custom roms on my TF101 just like i did on my N1
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Also, the battery life and speed of stock is perfect to be honest.
The Transformer is my 4th android device and it's the only one so far i've NOT rooted.
Currently, I see Asus updating it regularly and I don't want to miss out on any vital updates.
With my phones, rooting was essential to make space, get rid of annoying stock apps and tether to other devices.
With the TF101 I don't see a major need for me to root.
I dont understand the point of the OP (opening post) and must say that I prefer my TF101 just as it is - unrooted and FULLY up to date.
I have a question, as I just got my tablet a couple days ago. So basically, what the OP is saying is that you can't root if you update to 8.6.5.21. I've been doing a lot of reading (this isn't my first android device), and I think I've come to conclusion that I can't root just yet. A) You have to be on a lower version than 8.6.5.21. B) Your serial number has to be B70 or lower. So, even if I downgraded to the lower version number, I still won't be able to root? (My serial number starts with B90) Thanks for your input, as I'm not going to attempt to root until I have all the facts straight.
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I have a question, as I just got my tablet a couple days ago. So basically, what the OP is saying is that you can't root if you update to 8.6.5.21. I've been doing a lot of reading (this isn't my first android device), and I think I've come to conclusion that I can't root just yet. A) You have to be on a lower version than 8.6.5.21. B) Your serial number has to be B70 or lower. So, even if I downgraded to the lower version number, I still won't be able to root? (My serial number starts with B90) Thanks for your input, as I'm not going to attempt to root until I have all the facts straight.
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I think I get the point of the OP- a warning and general observations. To some extent, I agree. Because of the speed that ASUS sends out updates, it's trickier to maintain root on a stock system. If you want to run a non-rooted stock rom, then the updates are safe. If you want to run a rooted stock rom, you'll have to do some legwork to maintain root. It would probably be easier to just run a custom rom, rather than a rooted stock rom. As far as the newb questions go, I don't mind the ones that have done some homework, but I usually ignore the ones that don't even know what they are asking.
@dougstoner- either A OR B will work. For you, your only root option today is 8.6.5.19, although I'm not sure if it's possible to downgrade.
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dougstoner said:
I have a question, as I just got my tablet a couple days ago. So basically, what the OP is saying is that you can't root if you update to 8.6.5.21. I've been doing a lot of reading (this isn't my first android device), and I think I've come to conclusion that I can't root just yet. A) You have to be on a lower version than 8.6.5.21. B) Your serial number has to be B70 or lower. So, even if I downgraded to the lower version number, I still won't be able to root? (My serial number starts with B90) Thanks for your input, as I'm not going to attempt to root until I have all the facts straight.
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False.
BA0 here (means this is beyond the B# series). Bought TF a week ago, came with the dock bundle. Updated to the latest Asus FW but had no trouble using RC or CWM installer.apk
the only thing I can't really do is put it into APX mode and use NVFlash.
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False.
BA0 here (means this is beyond the B# series). Bought TF a week ago, came with the dock bundle. Updated to the latest Asus FW but had no trouble using RC or CWM installer.apk
the only thing I can't really do is put it into APX mode and use NVFlash.
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Don't say false, you might have gotten lucky and got 8.6.5.19 but
keep in mind the latest update got pushed out about a week or so, the latest update for you at the time might have been 8.6.5.19 but the latest as of now is 8.6.5.21 which is not rootable with Razorclaw.
Being you have a BAO you will not be able to use NVFLash at this time.
Your BAO is just a continuation of B9O.
A continuation right the way upto F.
So, if I can downgrade to the lowest version, I can root. (if that's possible)
I can't install a custom bootloader though right? Since my serial number is too high? Basically, all I can do is root if I can get to the right version, and wait until I have NVFlash for higher serial numbers to load a custom rom? Thanks for all the replies guys. I appreciate it.
The OP could have been onto something.
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I always prefer root on any android device because it allows for customistions way beyond stock firmwre.until you have rooted and used a transformer running a custom firmware at 1.5ghz you have no frame of reference at all. Most custom rom devs will update their Roms using the latest Asus firmware anyway so you aren't missing out on any new stock firmware features. I wouldn't go back to stock now if you paid me! I liken it to tuning a car, stock is fine but there is nothing like remapping the ecu and it often makes the car handle better and use less fuel.
bob dylan said:
I always prefer root on any android device because it allows for customistions way beyond stock firmwre.until you have rooted and used a transformer running a custom firmware at 1.5ghz you have no frame of reference at all. Most custom rom devs will update their Roms using the latest Asus firmware anyway so you aren't missing out on any new stock firmware features. I wouldn't go back to stock now if you paid me! I liken it to tuning a car, stock is fine but there is nothing like remapping the ecu and it often makes the car handle better and use less fuel.
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If only for Voodoo rooting is an absolute must.
So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...
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So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...
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I own both an I337 and an M919 and, given the flexibility of the M919, I was able to try both official and leaked 4.4 TW releases mainly for the I9505. Based on those experiences I would say take the update. 4.4 update should be noticeably faster.
In regard to keeping root, I'm hoping SuperSu Pro's Survival mode works.
I'd say go with the update if you don't care about root. The only problem is Knox is more locked down, also more bloat/crap ware on the new update. I do love the camera on the lockscreen, plus the album artwork on the lock screen is a big + for me. I don't know if art is implemented into the gs4 but it does make a difference but the only thing is, is that most apps are not optimized for it yet.
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So should I revert the few changes I have done? IE, I've killed startup apps with ES Task Manager and (obviously) disabled the software update checker.
I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.
As far as experience goes, I say wait and keep your options open. I like the freedom of a clean rom, free from bloat and clutter of apps that i dont use. Not to mention a battery life that exceeds far beyond a regular un-rooted device. Visit the numerous threads of other people's experiences. I'm rooted and have been able to try out different rooms from 4.2 to 4.4. Accepting an ota will unroot your device without anyway of reverting back. Good luck with your decision.
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aiwapro said:
I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.
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If you're on the not locked down version, then you shouldn't take the update. It will lock your bootloader and that device will never see an AOSP ROM again. You should wait for something like StockUp to be updated to the new 4.4 or use any of the many other 4.4 ROMs available. If you really want to get one with the stock update and locked bootloaders, I'm sure someone would love to trade.
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I'm on the original/not locked down 4.2.2. What do I need to do, to accept the update? I too found that I don't use Root much, but T.B. would be nice to have. I have clockword installed now as a bootloader, so maybe I need to revert to stock bootloader somehow. Previous OTA's have failed.
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We were able to get the MK2 tar files rather quickly after the OTA release and will hopefully be able to get the 4.4 tars just as quickly. If that's the case you will be able to flash all partitions, except the bootloader, to run the 4.4 ROM and keep your unlocked bootloader. I would not give up the unlocked bootloader if I were you.
scottiemedic said:
So with the inevitable release of KitKat tomorrow, I have the quandary of upgrading or not. I understand the 4.4 will kill my root, but I really haven't used the root option due to interceding life getting in the way since I rooted it (originally I was going to use Ti Backup and go from there, but have never bought it). So losing root is not a huge deal breaker one way or another currently.
With the leaked build, does it look like a good update to do or has the current ROM users of KitKat feel it's not worth it? I'd like to get some input to help make up my mind...
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Sounds like you are not someone that really uses or needs root like us flashaholics. I love having complete control over my devices. The extraordinary battery life, increased performance, extra capabilities like tethering and so forth. If I want to delete an un-wanted app or service ( At&t navigator anyone) or try a new rom I can. With a stock rom with locked boot loaders (really an oxymoron for "open source" Android isn't it?) you have what you get, like it or not. It's sad they load these awesome devices up with so much performance killing bloat ware. It's like buying a new corvette & then attaching a loaded u-haul trailer to it. What's the point of having it if you can't use it as intended? Anyway my 2 cents worth. Choose your path wisely grasshopper, as there's no turning back.
Hello everyone!
I have been thinking about getting myself one of these lovely phones but after reading what y'all have been saying about the locked bootloader I'm not sure I want to... I won't be able to actually get a phone until next week so I'm assuming it will come already pre-loaded with this update??
I would like to be able to root this phone just like I did my old ET4G from Sprint... would this be an option if I was to get one next week?
Just an FYI I will be on the AT&T network.
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crazy_dragonlady said:
Hello everyone!
I have been thinking about getting myself one of these lovely phones but after reading what y'all have been saying about the locked bootloader I'm not sure I want to... I won't be able to actually get a phone until next week so I'm assuming it will come already pre-loaded with this update??
I would like to be able to root this phone just like I did my old ET4G from Sprint... would this be an option if I was to get one next week?
Just an FYI I will be on the AT&T network.
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Get a nexus 5. You'll love it
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jd1639 said:
Get a nexus 5. You'll love it
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AT&T doesn't offer that phone... unless I'm just not seeing it LOL
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AT&T doesn't offer that phone... unless I'm just not seeing it LOL
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They don't but it works fine on att. Very easy to root and mod. No locked bootloader.
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Sounds like you are not someone that really uses or needs root like us flashaholics. I love having complete control over my devices. The extraordinary battery life, increased performance, extra capabilities like tethering and so forth. If I want to delete an un-wanted app or service ( At&t navigator anyone) or try a new rom I can. With a stock rom with locked boot loaders (really an oxymoron for "open source" Android isn't it?) you have what you get, like it or not. It's sad they load these awesome devices up with so much performance killing bloat ware. It's like buying a new corvette & then attaching a loaded u-haul trailer to it. What's the point of having it if you can't use it as intended? Anyway my 2 cents worth. Choose your path wisely grasshopper, as there's no turning back.
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I guess I've just never gotten any real good info on WHAT my rooted GS4 can do. I'd love to extend battery life and tether, but without really knowing all the possible downfalls, I've never pulled the trigger on like system apps, bloatware, etc. You know of a good resource for slightly technical people with clear definitions of what certain programs do and what can and can't be deleted?
I think at the time I rooted (I'm a MF3 S4), there was no 'unrooting' or flashing to stock, and therefore have been reluctant. I know I don't spend enough time on here learning, my 5 and 2 year old suck all my extra time away.
I'd love to maximize my phone to it's greater abilities, just overwhelmed I guess on where to start as I'm perfectly happy on 4.2 (I owned 3 iPhones before getting this one, so I have limited Android experience, but I recently also got an ASUS TF300 and rooted and ROMed my Kindle Fire almost 2 years ago to CM9).
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I guess I've just never gotten any real good info on WHAT my rooted GS4 can do. I'd love to extend battery life and tether, but without really knowing all the possible downfalls, I've never pulled the trigger on like system apps, bloatware, etc. You know of a good resource for slightly technical people with clear definitions of what certain programs do and what can and can't be deleted?
I think at the time I rooted (I'm a MF3 S4), there was no 'unrooting' or flashing to stock, and therefore have been reluctant. I know I don't spend enough time on here learning, my 5 and 2 year old suck all my extra time away.
I'd love to maximize my phone to it's greater abilities, just overwhelmed I guess on where to start as I'm perfectly happy on 4.2 (I owned 3 iPhones before getting this one, so I have limited Android experience, but I recently also got an ASUS TF300 and rooted and ROMed my Kindle Fire almost 2 years ago to CM9).
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Hey man, no worries. The reality is I would much rather play with my kids (if I had any) than an electronic device. So it's nice to know your priorities are right. There's few picture worthy moments we get from our phones, but kids provide such memories constantly. For everyday use, stock is fine & was for me for a little while. You are doing the right thing by waiting until you know more before you do something wrong & brick your phone. This is the place where you can learn how to root, install Safestrap recovery & flash incredible custom rom on your mf3 S4 when you are ready.
LG says no plans for G4 Android 5.1.1 update at the moment
Are we going directly to Android M? When I had my G3 we had the same issue, no 5.1.1
Given all of the issues with Lollipop, this may be a blessing in disguise but
the negative publicity from this may further impact the already poor sales.
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I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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We are no where unless someone's keeping it hush hush. I check daily too.
The xda and tweak people are just s handfull of users ... Most buyers are regular and they don't even know xda .... If you want a phone that get every update then buy a Google phone, or a iphone. If you want a unlocked bootloader now then buy a Samsung. If you don't want those phones , then stop whining and buy a G4 or any other phone with Android on it instead of complaining. Sales are not depending on if a bootloader is unlocked or not !
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fpsq said:
I am eager to buy a new phone. I do have the cash. I do not like Touchwiz, and no SD Card is a no go. So no S6.
The Nexus 6 is way to big and no SD Card. HTC M9... oh well.
So, the LG G4 is the only option. Why am I not holding this phone in my hands?
It is available for nearly a month now (give or take depending where you live) and no root method available, without LGs unlock code. ....No bootloader unlock. No XPOSED because of that, and no CM Mod or anything even possible because of that.
Coming from a Nexus which I love (despite the camera, the battery, the missing SD Card and the terrible GPS) I am not willing to buy a piece of expensive phone which is not mine.
So maybe, just maybe that is a reason why sales are not that great...
There are other reasons I am fully aware, but this is the deal breaker for me...
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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... but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Really? [emoji58]
Sent from my G4 whilst wishing for root
dontpannic said:
but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
dontpannic said:
Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
I am also missing a few features that I can only use with root. AdAway, AirAudio to stream my sound to other devices, etc...
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Really?
GravityBox is a HUGE one. It controls the look and behavior of everything on your phone.
Downloads2SD for remapping hardcoded folders like Downloads from internal storage to the SD card.
DisableFlagSecure for taking screenshots in apps that forbid it.
XHangouts for configuring image quality and other things in Hangouts.
NotifyClean for suppressing annoying system notifications that cannot normally be disabled.
The list can go on, I'm sure others use a lot more than this.
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Everyones usage is different remember - I just want to use a phone and from previous experience with my S4 introducing xposed to it turned it into a buggy mess, I don't want that happening to this phone.
dontpannic said:
Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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99% agree with you there. I got this device for the ability it has without any root/unlock. Fully agree that Xposed has never done anything good for me in my experiences...usually end up having bugs and ending up factory resetting rom I'm on.
Also confused as to why people expect that the G4 would already be unlocked or rooted. This device has been out for just over 3 weeks, fellas. Sure, there are other manufacturers (HTC which I LOVE save for their inability to understand that a good camera is a requirement in 2015) that are able to be unlocked like 30 seconds after you open the box. LG is NOT that way. The G3 was a pain in the butt last year for this from what I understand and this device is running a newer processor and supposedly more secure version of android.
In the end, I would like to have root, so I can get rid of the T-Mobile stuff...and yeah, while I can DISABLE it, that doesn't get rid of it, it's just lying dormant...I still have a disabled app taking up space on my device.
siraltus said:
Ads. Mothereffin' ads everywhere. In apps, in web pages, on YouTube. Blocking ads alone is worth gold.
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Yes this times 1000. Plus getting rid of bloat (although the LG does not have nearly as much as my Samsung devices had) plus I really want to be able to use Titanium Backup again.
Also...Not sure why everyone is so set on being on the latest version of Android at all times. I learned my lesson on that the hard way. Last device I was on was the Note 4. We were extremely irritated that we were getting Lollipop so late compared to all the other Sammy devices. Boy was I wrong to wish for it. It came with more bugs than new features, most of which made the device nearly unusable to me, resulting in my spending $280 to get the device half paid off so I could JUMP to the G4.
Rather than rolling out a new version of Android, I'm sure many users would prefer that LG work on the number of bugs that some users have experienced thusfar. That being said, 5.1 seems to be doing me pretty well for this device for me
A free wifi tethering method would be nice to have again.
I don't see the link between 5.1.1 and bad sales. If someone refused to get G4 because they won't update it to 5.1.1, I find this hilarious. 5.1.1 is a maintenance update, nothing major as I am aware, so LG can include the most important fixes from the latest available android version through OTA update, and there is no need to show you the latest android build number. 5.1 can include everything 5.1.1 got.
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Why is it essential for you to have an unlocked bootloader and root? I don't understand why its a dealbreaker - obviously you buy a phone based on its spec and features and no phone comes with 'unlocked bootloader' and 'root' as features.
XPosed is a heaving pile of **** which is buggy and unstable even at the best of times and if you start installing custom ROM's you start losing features.
I and plenty others bought this phone as it meets what we were looking at at the time. Root would be a bonus, but even then two weeks in I still can't think of anything I need root or a custom ROM for...
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Have you even used Xposed recently? Root itself is fantastic, and does not harm usability. You can use apps like Greenify and Titanium Backup to remove apps and improve battery life, modify the tethering provisioning check to use the hotspot, etc. I also use Xposed on 5.1.1 and on 5.0, 4.4, etc., and I don't have any issues at all. the 10+ modules I use never have problems.
I'm keeping my rooted G3 until we can root the G4, as I need root in some form or another.
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Alright, ads is a good one. Not a lot else though to be fair!
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The phone is is great all on its own but I am looking forward to no ads and a tweaked Rom to hopefully get rid of the awful lagging and missed touch issues
Give the devs time. There's a lot of money pledged in the bounty board which should attract some top devs, so short of JesusFreke coming out of retirement I doubt it'll be in the next month.
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fpsq said:
By the way: I visit here daily. I can not really tell where we are in terms of a unlocked bootloader and easy root method? Anyone here that could sum it up?
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If you purchase the open EUR H815 handset, you can officially unlock the bootloader through LG's Dev website, and from there install TWPR and flash SuperSU for root.
This method is not (yet?) available to other models, however.
You're correct that there are currently no unofficial methods to unlock the bootloader or root the device, yet.
Just to make it easier, heres the redirect link to main post by @me2151
https://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-note-8/development/root-samfail-galaxy-note8-t3685340
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I rooted the phone and changed my boot animation but I really don't see the point of rooting and I rooted every phone I owned.
Hotspot was already patched before root
Phone has themes stock
Lost 20% battery life with root
Not able to locate the normal files to boost my sound
Idk if it's just me but disabling apps and all the other things I used to use for root android has pretty much made those features available.
Plus there's a few apps I can't use because of safetynet, so honestly I don't feel much of a benefit.
I love root but this is the first time I don't feel I need it.
Dbzfan said:
I rooted the phone and changed my boot animation but I really don't see the point of rooting and I rooted every phone I owned.
Hotspot was already patched before root
Phone has themes stock
Lost 20% battery life with root
Not able to locate the normal files to boost my sound
Idk if it's just me but disabling apps and all the other things I used to use for root android has pretty much made those features available.
Plus there's a few apps I can't use because of safetynet, so honestly I don't feel much of a benefit.
I love root but this is the first time I don't feel I need it.
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Free paid themes from Samsung?
ThaHaloMilitia said:
Free paid themes from Samsung?
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Still not worth it anymore in my opinion.
Can even wps attack without root. I used to load kali Linux but no point anymore.
Now if I could get root for magisk I wouldn't mind it (hidden root)
Dbzfan said:
I rooted the phone and changed my boot animation but I really don't see the point of rooting and I rooted every phone I owned.
Hotspot was already patched before root
Phone has themes stock
Lost 20% battery life with root
Not able to locate the normal files to boost my sound
Idk if it's just me but disabling apps and all the other things I used to use for root android has pretty much made those features available.
Plus there's a few apps I can't use because of safetynet, so honestly I don't feel much of a benefit.
I love root but this is the first time I don't feel I need it.
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Totally agree. I've rooted every Android phone I've owned, except this one. No need to anymore in my mind.
does this root work on the bql9 update
Eddieray313 said:
does this root work on the bql9 update
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yeah, i just finished making the bql9 update, i currently have a dec sec patch rom out that is bqla (tmobiles) release of dec sec patch. essentially the same thing only 1 app i see that differs between the 2 updates (sprint vs tmob)
but as long as you your firmware is rev2 ( usq2 or older usq1 ) then you can samfail.. Once 8.0 oreo launches it will be a usq3 bootloader and will lock you to anything 3 or newer and samfail does NOT work for 8.0 and wont ever work as it is. The security policy updates in 8.0 lock selinux on and is set to never be over-ridden and set to permissive.
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yeah, i just finished making the bql9 update, i currently have a dec sec patch rom out that is bqla (tmobiles) release of dec sec patch. essentially the same thing only 1 app i see that differs between the 2 updates (sprint vs tmob)
but as long as you your firmware is rev2 ( usq2 or older usq1 ) then you can samfail.. Once 8.0 oreo launches it will be a usq3 bootloader and will lock you to anything 3 or newer and samfail does NOT work for 8.0 and wont ever work as it is. The security policy updates in 8.0 lock selinux on and is set to never be over-ridden and set to permissive.
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I was wondering if my phone would work. I kinda dropped off the tech world recently because of work and now I have a baby at home. I kinda forgot what to look for and have you figured out the 80% battery bug.
Eddieray313 said:
I was wondering if my phone would work. I kinda dropped off the tech world recently because of work and now I have a baby at home. I kinda forgot what to look for and have you figured out the 80% battery bug.
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no its not really a bug per say. The combo boot.img is set to restrict battery capacity at 80% full. There is no FIX for this unless we can get bootloader unlocked.
I know the Dev of the WETA mod over on the tmobile side got creative with his mod. Essentially built a 3minit hack that adjusts the battery percent up to 80% to simulate a full charge, but this isnt fixing anything, just making you feel better seeing 100% at the end of the charging period lol
That and the display FPS bug caused by the boot.img. Periodically when unlocking phone the screen will be kinda jacked up and running on super low fps and glitchy, locking and unlocking screen resolves this bug.
In all im 100% root all the way. even if i dont use anything root enabled i want the ability to do so and i like building the roms/updates as they release and learn/watch what changes each revision.
I too have rooted nearly all my phones except when root method needed adb can't get adb working on Windows 10. However want to root my Note 8 Snapdragon but can't find a single custom Rom for it! Exynos yes not snapdragon. So anybody know how to get adb working on Windows 10?
windhoarse00 said:
I too have rooted nearly all my phones except when root method needed adb can't get adb working on Windows 10. However want to root my Note 8 Snapdragon but can't find a single custom Rom for it! Exynos yes not snapdragon. So anybody know how to get adb working on Windows 10?
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Ive stayed rooted since my first S3 myself and at this point, Im almost regretting my shiny new N8! I remember not being able to swing a cat by the tail without smacking it into a different ROM that I had to make room for! Trying 2 or 3 new specimens every night. But now, it feels like dried up wells and tumbleweed. Thanks Samsung. God forbid we should do what we want to do with the gizmos we shelled out all that granola for. I'm just trying to keep V4A cuz it does what I want. But it looks like I, once again, ask for too much! Sorry I wasn't any help with the ADB thing.
Note 8 will probably be the last Samsung I own, unless Samsung bakes in some decent audio tools. V4A is the ONLY reason I root. LG's starting to look pretty good in the audio area.
I apologize as this thread is ancient. However, I have acquired a Galaxy Note 8 on vzw. Thankfully, the phone is still on v1 and version 7.1.1. I have tried to root using SamFail, however I receive a failed to mount error, and a Kernal crisis . I have rooted several devices including an S6. Subsequently, I needed to restore the phone to stock on both attempts. Ultimately, what is the reason for this error, and what can I do to resolve and root. I need to permanently keep 7.1.1 (thus could I do this is dev options)?