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This is an update I just got on the Galaxy Note Facebook page. Looks pretty frikin awesome.
https://www.facebook.com/SamsungGalaxyS3OfficalFanPage
picture is not an actual phone just something made up off this rumor:
Samsung may have only recently launched its latest Android flagship collaboration with Google, the Galaxy Nexus, but the push is reportedly on for the next big thing for the Galaxy line-up. According to a report straight out of Korea, the Samsung Galaxy S3 could be on its way to Mobile World Congress 2012 — and launch a few months later.
We had already heard that the Galaxy S3 would pack Samsung’s own Exynos 4412 processor, a 32nm quad-core chip based on the ARM Cortex A9 architecture. That’s a terrific boost in hardware over the Galaxy S2 and Galaxy Nexus, at least on paper — the jury’s still out on whether or not a quad-core chip is really worth putting in a phone or tablet when most apps aren’t designed with multithreading in mind.
It’s a necessary progression, however, when competitors like HTC are known to be working on similar devices. HTC’s Zeta is expected to arrive during the same time frame, and with Qualcomm promising that its Snapdragon S4 would be ready to power retail devices early in 2012 there will no doubt be other models on the way.
As for what else Samsung is going to cram into the Galaxy S3, the list of rumored specs certainly looks drool-worthy. In addition to the Exynos 4412, there could be a 12MP camera, 720×1280 Super AMOLED Plus display, LTE support, twice as much RAM as any current superphone at 2GB, and Android 4.0. Of course, until Samsung shows us something (or someone else gets their hands on one) we won’t know how closely that hardware lines up with reality.
Keep your eyes peeled for news out of MWC when its kicks off in Barcelona on February 27.
Hello, I am a bit confused. When the wifi version came out, users in this forum mentioned that there was no lag and the device was fast even running multiple apps. Now, I have read some postings saying that lag still exists. Could anybody please clarify? Is the LTE version faster and have longer battery usage?
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Hello, I am a bit confused. When the wifi version came out, users in this forum mentioned that there was no lag and the device was fast even running multiple apps. Now, I have read some postings saying that lag still exists. Could anybody please clarify? Is the LTE version faster and have longer battery usage?
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I've read that the speed is negligible. Also I've read that the LTE version has a quick charge option & that it plays 4k video whereas the Wi Fi version doesn't & can't. I have the WI Fi version & I plan on keeping it mainly for update reasons (I don't like waiting for carrier approval). But I'm not certain about all this & would also like some clarity from those who may know a bit more about these differences.
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I've read that the speed is negligible. Also I've read that the LTE version has a quick charge option & that it plays 4k video whereas the Wi Fi version doesn't & can't. I have the WI Fi version & I plan on keeping it mainly for update reasons (I don't like waiting for carrier approval). But I'm not certain about all this & would also like some clarity from those who may know a bit more about these differences.
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I think you're right about updates. The LTE version from Verizon will never be updated unless Verizon pushes an update and you won't be able to flash newer ROMs because they lock their bootloaders. With wi-fi version at least you know it's hackable and you can flash updated ROMs all you want.
And charging speed isn't a big deal if you charge it overnight. Plus 4k is really rare anyways so no big deal there.
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I have the wifi version and it is running smoothly. However, I was actually concern about the speed performance compare to the LTE version before I got the wifi. To be honest with you, I have no issue or complaints about the device. Everything running as it support to be. If you don't need the LTE like me, I tether it through my phone. Go with the wifi because as far as I have read it is only about charging speed and small differences. This is just my opinion and you will save money.
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I think you're right about updates. The LTE version from Verizon will never be updated unless Verizon pushes an update and you won't be able to flash newer ROMs because they lock their bootloaders. With wi-fi version at least you know it's hackable and you can flash updated ROMs all you want.
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As the owner of a Verizon galaxy tab 10.1 who had to suffer through a 2 year contract I can attest to this. After purchasing it with honeycomb Verizon/samsung updated the tablet twice in the past 2.5 years. The ice cream sandwich update came about 5 months after ICS was out and at least a couple months after it was out on the wifi variant of the 10.1.
I just cancelled my service on that tablet in favor of tethering the wifi note pro as I am not going to pay this kind of money for a device with limited support. My 10.1 sits in a dock now at work in front of my keyboard serving as a glorified mp3 player and a testament to why I abhor carrier based devices.
Had it not been for the efforts of pershoot on the original galaxy tab 10.1 series it would have been even harder. Other than his incorporation of the Verizon variant into CM10 there were no custom ROMs for my tablet (there was probably one clean ROM but no ASAP type ROMs). I happily endured beta testing his builds for him and spent countless nights flashing his test builds.
I truly hope that some good developers pick up the LTE versions and build for them. Perhaps with the different cpu package they will, there was no such incentive on the original galaxy tab 10.1 series.
Oh and as for the question about battery life goes, I'm confident that the LTE variant will have less battery life all things being equal. It's just par for the course with LTE over wifi, as evidenced by any smartphone that enters a bad signal area compared to it being on wifi. Don't get me wrong, I loved the always on Internet access but this time around I just couldn't pull the trigger...
muzzy, I can see your disdain for verizon. I opted for LTE because of the snapdragon 800 chipset (has quick charge 2.0 just like the Note 3), this wasnt present on other lte tablets. Wifi, I usually like as well but the recharge time on my previous tablets had me looking for a newer solution.
Galaxy tab 2 10.1 wifi
Galaxy Note 10.1 wifi
Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 wifi
If I am buying, I will buy from a vendor rather than from a phone company. What are the advantageous and disadvantages of the LTE version over the wifi version?
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If I am buying, I will buy from a vendor rather than from a phone company. What are the advantageous and disadvantages of the LTE version over the wifi version?
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I used the WiFi version for about 13 days, then returned it and plan on getting the LTE version.
I found the WiFi version to be mostly smooth (certainly smoother than the Note 10.1 2014 edition, that uses the same processor), however it does indeed have minor lag.
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
3. LTE version changes faster
Of course the LTE version is more expensive and may not get updates as quickly as the WiFi version.
I'm not planning on getting the Verizon version but rather the international unlocked version.
Verizon's track record on updates is simply brutal. Be prepared that you may see one update in a year and then they will most likely stop updating all together. Picked up a 7.7 last year. Got one update and that was it. Still stuck on ICS. All the custom rom's won't let the radio work even though they say they are for the i815 (Verizon model). I got 2. One for me and one for my wife and they are basically paperweights at this point. Never again. I'll tether my Wifi versions and not be tied to a contract for a device that rarely gets an update.
As for performance, My understanding was there is no significant performance difference between the Wifi and LTE. I know the Snapdragon will charge faster but since I let mine charge overnight, this is not a big deal for me.
Also kep in mind, you can root the WiFi version. My guess is the Verizon version may not be as simple to root and there probably won't be a ton of custom roms for it either though that is just a guess based on my previous expereince with Verizon tablets.
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I used the WiFi version for about 13 days, then returned it and plan on getting the LTE version.
I found the WiFi version to be mostly smooth (certainly smoother than the Note 10.1 2014 edition, that uses the same processor), however it does indeed have minor lag.
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
3. LTE version changes faster
Of course the LTE version is more expensive and may not get updates as quickly as the WiFi version.
I'm not planning on getting the Verizon version but rather the international unlocked version.
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Verizon's track record on updates is simply brutal. Be prepared that you may see one update in a year and then they will most likely stop updating all together. Picked up a 7.7 last year. Got one update and that was it. Still stuck on ICS. All the custom rom's won't let the radio work even though they say they are for the i815 (Verizon model). I got 2. One for me and one for my wife and they are basically paperweights at this point. Never again. I'll tether my Wifi versions and not be tied to a contract for a device that rarely gets an update.
As for performance, My understanding was there is no significant performance difference between the Wifi and LTE. I know the Snapdragon will charge faster but since I let mine charge overnight, this is not a big deal for me.
Also kep in mind, you can root the WiFi version. My guess is the Verizon version may not be as simple to root and there probably won't be a ton of custom roms for it either though that is just a guess based on my previous expereince with Verizon tablets.
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Hi,
I saw your post and thought I'd chime in here with a little info. I'm surprised that you returned the wifi model. The LTE version will definitely not get as many updates as the wifi model will. This is a most assuredly fact. especially if you are going to get the Verizon model. Verizon's track record is unbelievably terrible when it comes to releasing updates for their tablets. Just doing a general search on Verizon & tablets will fill your whole screen with pages and pages of complaints about this issue.
As far as the unlocked version that you mentioned I cannot really say. It will depend on the carrier that you choose to get coverage with. Just keep in mind that it is an LTE version that you are getting and there are only so many carriers. Among those carriers they themselves will have to test and approve updates as they are released by Samsung before they are rolled out to the devices themselves. So basically, when Samsung releases an update, non LTE models will get the update first. The LTE models will be limited to the software being tested an approved by the LTE provider, along with many features being locked out or removed from the software itself.
As for your post #1 that states:
LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
This is most definitely untrue. It has been logistically proven without objection that the Exynos Octacore processor has more brutal knockdown power under a constant minimal and or maximal load than the Snapdragon processor. You might want to look further into your research on this because their is pages of data available on the Web that show this tested data readily available for your consideration.
You mentioned the LTE version does charge faster. I can say that is definitely a fact and you are correct. However the reason they intend for the faster charging is because of the cellular intended purpose. That being said, keep in mind the faster the charge is applied, the faster the battery consumption will be also. Not to mention that with the 9500maH battery the lifespan will inevitably be shorter as well. Over time you will notice that the charges will get faster and faster then will stabilize at a certain point. However the Non LTE versions will charge more slowly, giving the battery life a more in depth charge and a longer life span.
If the only reason your are wanting the LTE version is because of the "Lag", then I just want to let you know that you should definitely test the LTE version before making your purchase. If you place them side by side and test them under a minimal and maximal load, you'll see the Exynos will have less lag than the LTE version.
Please don't take offense to my opinion. Im only basing my opinion on what is factual from certified research information and my experience as a developer and consumer of both products.
stondec100 said:
I used the WiFi version for about 13 days, then returned it and plan on getting the LTE version.
I found the WiFi version to be mostly smooth (certainly smoother than the Note 10.1 2014 edition, that uses the same processor), however it does indeed have minor lag.
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
3. LTE version changes faster
Of course the LTE version is more expensive and may not get updates as quickly as the WiFi version.
I'm not planning on getting the Verizon version but rather the international unlocked version.
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Thanks for the info. I am also planning to get an international version. I don't live in the US. I am not affected by those carriers. I haven't heard of "There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon". I thought except the phone app, whatever works under the wifi version should work under the LTE version. What apps are compatible only with the Snapdragon? Any examples?
stondec100 said:
Here are the reasons why I want the LTE version ( because it uses the Qualcomm Snapdragon processor) over the WiFi
1. LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
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The Exynos vs. S-800 debate is no different here than it is in the N3 and N10.1-14 forums. The N12 isn't new (it's a jumbo N10.1-14 which is already five months old) and there's nothing about it h/w wise that would make it behave any differently than the devices that came before it. Exynos and S-800 are so close in performance as to be undetectable. Certain games may perform better on Adreno than Mali but it's not so biased that people are complaining. Most of the lag being reported is in transitions and apps opening/closing. Those function never move off the A7 core in Exynos and probably use two of the four S-800 cores. Throwing more powerful h/w at the issue isn't going to change anything. The lag is caused by s/w and the s/w is materially the same on Exynos and Octa versions. I have a 3G Exynos N10.1-14 and have played with European LTE S-800 versions. I couldn't detect a performance difference and neither could my friends who own the S-800 version. And any performance difference you detect between the N10.1-14 and N12 is purely related to one being on 4.3 and the other on 4.4 with modifications to Samsung's UI and most likely drivers.
2. There's a wider range of compatible apps for the Snapdragon (some apps I use don't work that well with Exynos chipsets)
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Link? Outside of a handful of games there's been nothing I've seen to support your statement. The bigger issues is apps that aren't optimized for the 2560x1600 display which affects both SoC's equally.
3. LTE version changes faster
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This is definitely true. Charging the Exynos devices is painfully long.
Android.Ninja said:
As for your post #1 that states:
LTE version is faster and smoother without lag (unlike the WiFi version - every Exynos device I've used has had lag )
This is most definitely untrue. It has been logistically proven without objection that the Exynos Octacore processor has more brutal knockdown power under a constant minimal and or maximal load than the Snapdragon processor. You might want to look further into your research on this because their is pages of data available on the Web that show this tested data readily available for your consideration.
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You might want to take a look at the Verizon Note Pro thread. On game based benchmarks, the LTE version came up14% faster on Epic Citadel, and 50 to 200% faster in Anomaly 2 than the wifi version. Snapdragon seems to be more efficient at handling the graphics load, which might also effect perception of lag.
I appreciate the replies to my post.
1) My opinion that they Snapdragon is always smoother than the Exynos and doesn't suffer lag like the Exynos is based on experience.
I've had several Exynos devices, all with lag, especially with the Keyboard and when scrolling on chrome browser and then intermittently in various parts of the UI ( Galaxy Note 2, Galaxy note 10.1, Galaxy Note 10.1 2014 edition). The Qualcomm devices I own do not exhibit the same annoying lag (galaxy S III, Galaxy Note 3, Tmobile version)
2. As far as compatible apps, I've had developers tell me that the reason why their app wasn't functioning well on my Note 2 was because Samsung doesn't release certain codes\drivers for their Exynos processor and that those apps would function better on Qualcomm processors. An example that comes readily to mind is call recorder by Skvalex. Also PDF max, when using the ink tool is very laggy on Exynos devices, but not on my Note 3
3) As far as comparing both the wifi and LTE versions, I actually have had hands on with both of them and in my experience the LTE version is smoother.
I really do not plan on buying the Verizon LTE because of their shenanigans as far as locked bootloader and abominable update stance. I'm still looking to get the international unlocked version, and not really for the LTE, but more for the superior Qualcomm processor.
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I've had several Exynos devices, all with lag.
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The only Exynos devices pertinent to this discussion are the N3 and N10.1-14. The SGS4 used Exynos 5410 which, sadly for its owners, was pretty much an Octa beta test. I have a S-800 N3 and Exynos N10.1-14. I've played with Exynos N3's and S-800 N10.1-14's. In terms of everyday use (app opening closings, transitions, in-app performance) I haven't been able to detect a difference. Neither have friends who've played with both versions also. The are people in the N10.1-14 forum who went from Wi-Fi versions to LTE versions and reported they performed the same.
Perhaps in certain games or high-demand apps Adreno may outperform Mali but in all but rare occasions not enough for it to matter. Adreno 330, Mali T628, and PowerVR G6430 are the three most powerful GPU's on the market right now. They are probably in about 10% of deployed devices. Are people implying that a +/- 10% difference between the above GPU's is so important that the 90% of GPU's in use (which are a minimum of 25% behind the above mentioned) are suddenly useless and games and high-demand apps will perform poorly? It's actually the reverse. Developers know that the majority of device GPU's don't perform as well as newer releases and design for the middle.
It's also useless comparing Exynos and S-800 on all but the same device. My N3 is significantly more fluid than my N10.1-14 but it has nothing to do with Exynos and everything to do with the huge disparity in display area (amount of overall pixels being pushed).
Everyone's entitled to their opinion but some of what's being pointed out isn't supported by commentary on XDA. If the difference between Exynos and S-800 were as pronounced as being claimed the N3 and N10.1-14 forums would be lit up like Christmas trees discussing it. There are some "my SoC can beat up your SoC" discussion with folks claiming superiority for both Exynos and S-800 but for the most part the consensus it they are pretty similar performance wise.
One should also note that almost any lag can be eliminated if you tune your kernel governor to your specific usage pattern. You need root of course, which is an issue until there is a root exploit that won't trip Knox. There's no way I would root such an expensive device unless I can preserve the warranty.
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fast charge or extra 32gb?
i am choosing between 2 models: p905 with fast charge option and p900 with 32gb more than previous one. i would like to hear the opinion of experienced users cuz never had any tablet before hence don't know what option is more significant in routine usage. in addition, i am definitely sure that never gonna use LTE function therefore in is not an advantage for me.
thus, the question is what to prefer: fast charge (is it really much faster?) or extra 32gb of memory (does it really matter for tablet?)
also the rumors tell that probably p905 with 64gb is coming soon (although, how soon and whether it will come at all...)
I have the p905 since it came out. Running smoothly. The only lag I experienced is when I played Sonic Dash. Don't know if it is a software issue with this app. Other games I tried (not that many yet) have no lag.
I bought the unlocked international 905 mainly for the faster charging and the ability to switch gsm carriers at will. 4K video, snapdragon 800 + adreno 330, no carrier bloatware, are icing on the cake imo. As far performance, this article claims a significant difference speed wise, in favor of the snap 800 adreno 330 combo. I haven't compared the two side by side. Of course ymmv.
http://www.notebookcheck.net/Review...ote-Pro-12-2-LTE-SM-P905-Tablet.113712.0.html
It’s 2015 and hence time for a new Galaxy S Series flagship from Samsung. In earlier reports Samsung has claimed that it will completely change what we have witnessed in the Galaxy S line so far, starting from scratch there will be an all new Galaxy S6. As it goes for a Samsung flagship, the specifications that the Galaxy S6 will hold will be nothing short of impressing but the dream to get 4 Gigs of Ram isn’t just here yet. The Galaxy S6 is already cooking up and not a long time back arrived in India for R&D purposes, hence our sources have managed to secure some information on the specifications the flagship will boast.
These specifications are intended for the Asian units, that have since beginning relied on the Exynos SoC’s. The variants intended for the North American and European markets will be using a Snapdragon SoC’s instead (Snapdragon 810 Likely), while keeping the Ram, Display, Battery and undisclosed specs identical.
Also beside the already anticipated spec-sheet, the Galaxy S6 will be using a Metal Exterior (similar to Galaxy A Series) with a new much slimmer design. Stay tuned for more updates and feel free to share your thoughts about the next Galaxy S flagship.
SPECS:
5.2 Inch Quad HD Display (Amoled)
3GB Ram & 64GB Internal Storage (Micro SD Missing in test Units)
Non-removable Battery (2800mAh)
Exynos 7420 Octa-Core Processor (Dual Quad-Core)
Finger Print Scanner
Heart Rate Monitor
Android 5.0.1 (running units)
20MP Rear & 5MP Front Camera Unit
The specs are pretty much accurate (not very hard to guess as they've been predicatble for years.) but that picture/render is wishful thinking.
Aside from the fact that test units come in fake cases, as they've always done, these leaked images are always fake, every year in a row.
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It's looking like this will fix all the wrongs of the S5:
Class leading CPU/GPU on 14nm
Premium metal build
Touch based fingerprint sensor
20 mp 2nd gen Samsung ISOCELL sensor with phase detect autofocus and OIS
The next evolution of AMOLED
I'll be all over this as long as Touchwiz is not a complete disaster
Samsung Galaxy S6 Specifications
Samsung Galaxy S6 may come up with a Exynos 7420 processor as Samsung may drop Snapdragon 810 due to heating issues.It may be announced at MWC 2015.
Joku1981 said:
It’s 2015 and hence time for a new Galaxy S Series flagship from Samsung. In earlier reports Samsung has claimed that it will completely change what we have witnessed in the Galaxy S line so far, starting from scratch there will be an all new Galaxy S6. As it goes for a Samsung flagship, the specifications that the Galaxy S6 will hold will be nothing short of impressing but the dream to get 4 Gigs of Ram isn’t just here yet. The Galaxy S6 is already cooking up and not a long time back arrived in India for R&D purposes, hence our sources have managed to secure some information on the specifications the flagship will boast.
These specifications are intended for the Asian units, that have since beginning relied on the Exynos SoC’s. The variants intended for the North American and European markets will be using a Snapdragon SoC’s instead (Snapdragon 810 Likely), while keeping the Ram, Display, Battery and undisclosed specs identical.
Also beside the already anticipated spec-sheet, the Galaxy S6 will be using a Metal Exterior (similar to Galaxy A Series) with a new much slimmer design. Stay tuned for more updates and feel free to share your thoughts about the next Galaxy S flagship.
SPECS:
5.2 Inch Quad HD Display (Amoled)
3GB Ram & 64GB Internal Storage (Micro SD Missing in test Units)
Non-removable Battery (2800mAh)
Exynos 7420 Octa-Core Processor (Dual Quad-Core)
Finger Print Scanner
Heart Rate Monitor
Android 5.0.1 (running units)
20MP Rear & 5MP Front Camera Unit
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Here is the leaked design of Samsung S6
http://androidjail.com/samsung-galaxy-s6-specification-body-leaked/85
The quad hd is a mess . in normal use , practically you don't need it
This post is misleading about rumors
Do you think that will be hard to have bug free custom roms with the exynos cpu?
I'm looking forward to March 1st... there should be some pretty cool info at the unveiling.
I'm all in for another Galaxy, but all these leaks without a sdcard slot make me a bit nervous.
Don't give your hopes up guys and really don't put too much stock into all these leaks. For the last few years all the supposed reliable leaks have been wrong and Samsung basically reintroduced the same damn phone. Well their not getting me this year no more hurt feelings, so until I see add to cart next to a s6 picture the new s6 is the s5 with upgraded hardware
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Prediction: S6 will be an uglified but high spec S5, much like the S5 was an uglified S4 with better internals. Add the new crown jewel Exynos SoC, revamped KNOX and Samsung's traditional hamfisted massacre of Android, and I further predict less dev support than ever.
hi
i phone 5 and s6 this kind of better, I want to buy either and are wondering
2800 mah battery? omg! why samsung not trying to improve battery performance? 2800 mah will be enough?
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As we have multiple threads about the specifications of the S6, one official one has been opened here: http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6/general/specs-samsung-galaxy-s6-specifications-t3034238
The difference isn't as big this year compared to years past, they are both similar in performance. That said, I'm leaning towards the Exynos just because of how much of a pain in the butt it was with rooting the Snapdragon model. Exynos was easy to root but the Snapdragon only got root because of a leak and it was unstable and laggy.
You are asking which one is better for a phone that isn't out for another 2.5 weeks?? And you can't say they are similar in performance based purely on a spec sheet! The spec sheet shows the exynos able to do 120fps at 4k, but it can't because the camera itself cannot perform at that speed so its still limited to 30 despite the exynos chip being capable of it.
Both SoCs and GPUs are too new to make any assumptions. Here's an article discussing S-835 on a Qualcomm reference device. It underperforms S-820/1 in certain benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11201/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-performance-preview. Architecturally the new Mali GPU is superior to Adreno. What features Samsung implements and how they implement them is a wild card. When Samsung uses two SoCs in the same phone they typically tune them to be comparable as was the case in the S7-series even though Exynos did seem to have an edge. To an average user they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an Exynos and S-835 equipped S8.
I've said this a couple of times in other threads. Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip. Until its in people's hands it's dangerous to assume previous bootloader exploits will work the same way they did previously.
One difference that the Exynos seems to have but not sure how many people will notice. On the Samsung website and a couple other carrier sites state that the device the UK is getting only has Bluetooth 4 and not the newer Bluetooth 5 that the US and snapdragon market are getting. Wonder what other differences there are that aren't being advertised.
International versions getting a different version of BT doesn't make a lot of sense. They hyped being able to support two headphones connected at the same time during the unveiling which requires BT 5.0. I don't think they would have done that if the majority of the world wasn't receiving the feature. Carrier websites aren't particularly accurate.
You may have missed that part where I said it's shown on the Samsung website too. In the U.K it's showing as BT 4.2 LE. It's possible that the new BT 5.0 isn't compatible with the Exynos chip for some reason or just not optomised to work well together yet. Also that launch was predominantly geared towards the US market as almost no information regarding the international versions was spoken about on stage.
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https://shop.samsung.com/uk/samsung-galaxy-s8-sm-g950fzkabtu-64gb-black-300624/
I am pretty certain thats a mistake, there are mistakes over the web on the phone specifications. The global S8 specifications say Bluetooth 5.0
"Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip."
What EXACTLY does that mean. Because whenever I read or hear term, "security" it raises eyebrows. This is umbrella terminology for those in a state of fear requiring reassurance, but to those who don't carry around such weighted down impedances it would be interesting to know exactly what is implied here.
Yeah the specs are all over the place at the moment. I'm putting a tiny bit more weight behind what is on the official Samsung UK website that my pre-order leads me to which is saying it has BT 4.2. But one UK carrier (EE) is claiming it has Snapdragon 835, and another carrier (Three) is claiming BT 4.0 so nobody seems to be on the same page in the UK. Anyway I'll know for certain next week as my pre-order is arriving 20 April.
"The Samsung Galaxy S8 is the first of its kind in the United States, and it is the first of its kind in the world Up to 24 bands worldwide. Samsung offers with the new S-Class for the first time in a smartphone Bluetooth 5.0, which is integrated both in the version with Snapdragon 835, as well as with Exynos 8895-SOC."
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-im-Hands-On-Potente-Hardware-smarte-Software.209358.0.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4AzmvQEeU&lc=z120ijfw5zaytfvt123hgxdxbqnwhfcri04.1491848744959473
The Exynos is roughly 10% faster in single core and multi-core than the snapdragon (Geekbench, above video). You would hardly see a difference in most day to day use as both are pretty fast.
But the Exynos 'Mid Power Saver' which downclocks the CPU gives you the same performance as the the 835, so the exynos would obviously be better as you can have the same performance with more battery life (assuming it does save power)
My Exynos Edge 7 plus did not suffer any slow down over time while Snapdragon version crawled to a stop
I've had my Snapdragon S7 Edge since they were first released. My phone is still working great. It has nowhere crawled to a stop. Maybe for some reason some of the Snapdragon S7's slowed down but mine certainly hasn't. As a matter of fact the only reason I'm getting a S8 is because my S7 Edge has an over sensitive screen. If that wasn't an issue I would keep it for at least another year. There is no way I would do that if it slowed to a crawl.
Exynos Should always be in theory. It's in house processor and Samsung can do what they want and how they want with the software. So it should always be better optimized as you know exactly every aspect of the hardware.
I have a Fire 10 HD tablet I bought last year on Black Friday fot $99 US while I was in the US. I rooted it and run it like a normal android tablet. But it's very laggy and I'm a bit tired of it because of that.
I'm checking out the Black Friday deals here in Canada right now and I'm looking at the A 10.1 (2016) (SM-T580) and the A 10.5 (2018) (SM-T590).
The 2016 one is priced at $250 CAN right now and the 2018 one at $330 CAN ($100 off regular price).
Specs look quite similar save for a few difference so I'm wondering if the additional GB of ram (3GB vs 2GB) of the 2018 version and the 32 GB vs 16GB is worthy of the $80 price difference. I feel 16GB is really low by 2018 standards...
Also the USB-C is a plus compared to the older micro-USB.
The 2018 has 2 speakers on each side too, compared to 2 on just one side for the 2016.
The absence of the physical button can also be a plus for me.
I know the 2016 can be rooted and I assume the 2018 will be too at some point?
The 2018 should get Pie I assume too, while not for the 2016, knowing how Samsung works usually...
What do you guys think?
Thanks.
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I have a Fire 10 HD tablet I bought last year on Black Friday fot $99 US while I was in the US. I rooted it and run it like a normal android tablet. But it's very laggy and I'm a bit tired of it because of that.
I'm checking out the Black Friday deals here in Canada right now and I'm looking at the A 10.1 (2016) (SM-T580) and the A 10.5 (2018) (SM-T590).
The 2016 one is priced at $250 CAN right now and the 2018 one at $330 CAN ($100 off regular price).
Specs look quite similar save for a few difference so I'm wondering if the additional GB of ram (3GB vs 2GB) of the 2018 version and the 32 GB vs 16GB is worthy of the $80 price difference. I feel 16GB is really low by 2018 standards...
Also the USB-C is a plus compared to the older micro-USB.
The 2018 has 2 speakers on each side too, compared to 2 on just one side for the 2016.
The absence of the physical button can also be a plus for me.
I know the 2016 can be rooted and I assume the 2018 will be too at some point?
The 2018 should get Pie I assume too, while not for the 2016, knowing how Samsung works usually...
What do you guys think?
Thanks.
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16 Gb storage is very limited
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16 Gb storage is very limited
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I agree...
Ever hear of 128/256GB microsd? Makes 16GB plenty to hold apps when everything else is on extsd!
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Ever hear of 128/256GB microsd? Makes 16GB plenty to hold apps when everything else is on extsd!
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What do you think?? Of course I know about microSD! But I don't think a tablet that is almost full in its internal memory runs as smooth as one with plenty of space...
Touche.. not like the nand chips add but $5 per unit.
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What do you think?? Of course I know about microSD! But I don't think a tablet that is almost full in its internal memory runs as smooth as one with plenty of space...
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It depends on what you are running. The only way you run low on internal memory on the 2016 is if you are running extreme usage games. And you certainly weren't doing that on your Fire. I've never come close to having a memory problems on mine even while streaming Nascar virtual reality Raceview and casting it to a 40" monitor. BTW, you can buy a 2016 used but in good condition on eBay for about $140.
edit: As far as Pie goes, you may never get it from Samsung on the 2016, but I'm running it right now on mine using Liniage 16.
I saw the s pen 10.1 2016 on amazon yesterday $209 shipped! Bought mine 5 weeks ago $279 shipped.
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16gb is not enough samsung bloatware will eat a good chunk of that. 32gb gives headroom.
My concern is the 2016 model may actually have more cpu grunt than the 2018.
the 2016 had a leftover premier chip from the tab pro i think and the 2018 has a snapdragon 400 series.
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Any way
I reckon the 2018 is better for a few reasons.
-The quad speakers sound great.
-The buttons are now software not those annoying touch buttons ive hit while in landscape mode.
-The UI seems very smooth had a jam on a kiosk model and went nuts in chrome internet browsing is flawless, for now.
-It also cliams great battery life and snapdragon 400 chip do deliver very well in this aspect.
-More ram and storage gives a bit of future proofing too.
I am buying a 2018 model.
Dont know when but i will unless something amazing appears in its price range but then I doubt it the tablet market seems to be dead when it could amazing.
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16gb is not enough samsung bloatware will eat a good chunk of that. 32gb gives headroom.
My concern is the 2016 model may actually have more cpu grunt than the 2018.
the 2016 had a leftover premier chip from the tab pro i think and the 2018 has a snapdragon 400 series.
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Any way
I reckon the 2018 is better for a few reasons.
-The quad speakers sound great.
-The buttons are now software not those annoying touch buttons ive hit while in landscape mode.
-The UI seems very smooth had a jam on a kiosk model and went nuts in chrome internet browsing is flawless, for now.
-It also cliams great battery life and snapdragon 400 chip do deliver very well in this aspect.
-More ram and storage gives a bit of future proofing too.
I am buying a 2018 model.
Dont know when but i will unless something amazing appears in its price range but then I doubt it the tablet market seems to be dead when it could amazing.
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UI is the same on both, as 2016 has 8.1, if you get S Pen model you have 3GB RAM and 32GB storage. Onscreen buttons suck as to unlock tablet you have to reach that stupid spot on the side which is really inconvenient, also CPU is less powerful I believe on the newer model. I think 2016 is better than 18. I wanted one but I ended up staying with 2016, I only miss USB C but other than that it's still really capable multimedia device
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I don't allow the bloat crap on my S3, S5, or tab 10.1 2016. So I only have 1500MB roms. Battery life on my tab being only 6 weeks old is charge once per week. Yes the capacitive buttons get bumped all the time.. working on systemless xposed to solve that. However, Sammy didn't put backlights in them nor a led up top so in low light the locations are tricky and screen off charging or dying doesn't tell me squat. Haven't figured out charge time yet. S pen does use a smidge more battery but I only bought the SM-P580 to get s pen.
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UI is the same on both, as 2016 has 8.1, if you get S Pen model you have 3GB RAM and 32GB storage. Onscreen buttons suck as to unlock tablet you have to reach that stupid spot on the side which is really inconvenient, also CPU is less powerful I believe on the newer model. I think 2016 is better than 18. I wanted one but I ended up staying with 2016, I only miss USB C but other than that it's still really capable multimedia device
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I finally bought the 2018 yesterday.
Onscreen controls (physical button sucks IMO) , quad speakers, USB-C, the fact the tablet comes with Oreo (which means it should also get Pie next year), the 3GB of ram and 32 GB of rom were the main reasons.
Better GPU and better processor too.
So far, I enjoy it!
BTW, you can tap twice on the screen to wake up the tablet, no need to reach for the side button...
metaleloi666 said:
I finally bought the 2018 yesterday.
Onscreen controls (physical button sucksIMO) , quad speakers, USB-C, the fact the tablet comes with Oreo (which means it should also get Pie next year), the 3GB of ram and 32 GB of rom were the main reasons.
Better GPU and better processor too.
So far, I enjoy it!
BTW, you can tap twice on the screen to wake up the tablet, no need to reach for the side button...
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Aw come on!! You were just looking for an excuse to spend more money on the L&G all along.
TWRP for Tab A 10.5
I also recently purchased the Tab A 10.5 inch tablet to replace a Tab 4 10.1 tablet that was getting very laggy. I would like to install TWRP custom recovery on the new tablet ( in preparation for rooting with SuperSU) but I have searched the web in vain for the correct version of TWRP to install. Any help in this regard would be appreciated.
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I also recently purchased the Tab A 10.5 inch tablet to replace a Tab 4 10.1 tablet that was getting very laggy. I would like to install TWRP custom recovery on the new tablet ( in preparation for rooting with SuperSU) but I have searched the web in vain for the correct version of TWRP to install. Any help in this regard would be appreciated.
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how different is it from the Tab A 8"? (SMT380)
I am going to redo the tab a (t380) guide in a couple days, we worked out the 7 day OEM unlock and how to disable that already, was the last piece of the puzzle i needed really to write a definitive guide on how to root it, reenable OEM unlock afterwards and reboot the device in the same day, and if things go wrong, reroot the very same day again as well (rather than waiting).
https://forum.xda-developers.com/ga.../twrp-3-2-1-1-tab-sm-t380-10-02-2018-t3747564 << Tab a 8" a similar beast, should be very similar.
might want to forget SuperSU and consider Magisk (also made by John Wu), SuperSU is no longer maintained and Magisk is.
rooting the tab A used to be a 14 day process from start to 7 days later to root and 7 days after to reboot again.. until yesterday anyways.. it can be done at whim now, all in one day multiple times if you wish.
My Tab A is an SM-T590 if this is any help.
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My Tab A is an SM-T590 if this is any help.
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ahhh, oreo..
i know nothing about oreo myself.
everyone i talk to that has it and has tried rooting it is unhappy..
it's a good time to wait and watch.
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I owned a tablet with 16GB storage, and even after installing the least amount of apps I need and after disabling Samsung bloatware, I was left only with less than 3GB of free space. That's terrible. For one, if you have less than 15-20% of storage free, your filesystem operations are far far from being efficient. That's because the OS now needs to spend a considerable amount of time on finding more chunks of free space to write on. The second issue is what if you DO install an app or game that takes a lot more storage? One day I pulled a game that took something like 2GB of storage. I almost run out of free space.
The point is, 16GB is NOT enough. It's NOT ENOUGH unless you're willing to spend hours of your time wondering what can you possibly delete to make tablet run. Life is too short for that. I would not recommend anyone get a phone or a tablet with only 16GB of storage. 32GB should be the new "low".
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also CPU is less powerful I believe on the newer model. I think 2016 is better than 18.
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Let's clear some air about CPUs. The 2016 Tab A 10.1 came with Samsung Exynos 7870 system on a chip, which was built on 14nm process and had eight ARM A53 cores running at speeds up to 1.6GHz. The 2018 Tab A 10.5 comes with Snapdragon 450 SoC that comes with eight A53 cores (again!) built on 14nm process (again!) and running up 1.8GHz clock frequency. So there should be barely no difference in real life CPU performance between 2016 and 2018 models (why? this is stupid)
The A53 core is basically 2013-2014 design that started to appear in 2015 devices. The A53 core was truly mediocre in 2015 because the SoCs were build on 28nm process and were barely adequate. In 2016, some SoCs appeared that used more energy efficient 14nm process which allowed A53 cores to run at higher clock speeds while saving battery life. This was interesting. This remained interesting in 2017 too. But to introduce a new tablet in the late part of 2018 using the 2014-15 model A53 CPU.. and knowing that this tablet will not be updated for at least a couple more years, as we have seen with previous Tab A models, is truly pathetic.
In the US, the 2018 Tab A is list price of 320USD, which is basically the price of 2018 Apple iPad which has a CPU that will slaughter that Tab A and will be updated for 5-6 years, as we have observed in the past. Considering that Samsung is giving us a 2015-model CPU in this tablet, it has no right to be priced at 300+ bucks. The new Tab A only has the right to be priced as a bottom of barrel tablet like Amazon Fire, 150 dollars, or 200 tops. The 300+ price for this is ludicrous.
And let me guess, this tablet will not play Netflix in HD resolution. Right?
You need to remove not disable it. My roms.... G900P is 2GB RAM 1.5GB ROM. Leaves me 12.5GB. My P580 is 3GB RAM 1.2GB ROM. Leaves me 12.8GB. /system is only 3GB on BOTH Samsungs. No way you have 13GB total out of the box. Stop *****ing and put a $35 class uhs1 125GB sdcard in it!
I just got the Tab A 2016 LTE yesterday (SM-T585, running Nougat with July security patches) and had it rooted, TWRP put on it and running a custom Oreo rom in less than 24 hours :laugh:
It has 32 GB internal storage so that should last me a while ... I'm super happy with it, esp. considering that I only paid €125 incl. shipping for it - like new, it was part of a contract and returned to my provider because the customer didn't like the color or some other silly reason.
My old Lenovo Tablet was running on 4.2.2 with absolutely 0 updates in the 4-5 years that I had it and only had a quadcore with 16 GB internal storage and 1 GB ram. Not to mention that it didn't have ANY custom roms, TWRP etc.
OK, I'm rambling - my point is that you can still get the 2016 model if you look around for a good deal. It's a great tablet, easy to root + mod and a good deal cheaper than the 2018 model :good: