Should I purchase a Nexus 6P or look elsewhere? - Nexus 6P Q&A, Help & Troubleshooting

Is the Nexus 6P bootlooping as much as the Nexus 5X? Is it strictly a software or hardware problem with the Nexus 6P? I need to look for a new phone and the only choice I have is a Nexus 6P but I'm too afraid of it bootlooping like my Nexus 5X.

LayWhoZayHer said:
Is the Nexus 6P bootlooping as much as the Nexus 5X? Is it strictly a software or hardware problem with the Nexus 6P? I need to look for a new phone and the only choice I have is a Nexus 6P but I'm too afraid of it bootlooping like my Nexus 5X.
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To be honest if you look through the help threads you will see the amount of phones getting hit by this bootloop bug, here and on Reddit there are numerous devices. Now there are some that do not have those bug but it's a chance that it can happen. I fell victim to this bootloop fiasco and was never able to recover from it no matter what I tried, and I tried everything there is. I wound up doing an RMA as I was still under warranty.

Honestly I would only buy the 6P if it comes with a warranty or something. I've been blessed with mine never experienced any of the boot looping that a lot have.
But I been thinking of getting the OP3T as I'm having the New Phone Itch. But it's not much of an upgrade IMO. So I may wait for the OP4 then upgrade.
Good luck on your hunt
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[Q] If Money Was No Object.. Nexus 6P vs Anything Now?

Since so many of the reviews are saying things like best smartphone today, superb, etc... if money was no object, would you still get a Nexus 6P over any other Android or Apple device?
I would still get the Nexus 6P
Project Arya sounds interesting to try out, but there's not really any other brand/model I'd care to have. They all sort of butcher the android experience, windows just doesn't feel right to me, nor does iOS. So Nexus 6P is ideal for me.
painfree said:
Since so many of the reviews are saying things like best smartphone today, superb, etc... if money was no object, would you still get a Nexus 6P over any other Android or Apple device?
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I will keeep mine as secondary device to use whenever I miss vanilla android.
painfree said:
Since so many of the reviews are saying things like best smartphone today, superb, etc... if money was no object, would you still get a Nexus 6P over any other Android or Apple device?
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As things stands today, I also would choose 6P over any Apple or other Android device.
If you have to ask others, then it may not be for you.
In posting this thread, I neglected to include the condition being if you could not root would you choose...
I would choose the Nexus 6P over anything else available on the market today.
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Since so many of the reviews are saying things like best smartphone today, superb, etc... if money was no object, would you still get a Nexus 6P over any other Android or Apple device?
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Money was a concern? Okay...........
I ordered the best device for my needs.
I would prefer a smaller device but, you take the good with the bad.
Note 5
Still nexus 6p for me
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painfree said:
Since so many of the reviews are saying things like best smartphone today, superb, etc... if money was no object, would you still get a Nexus 6P over any other Android or Apple device?
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I would cancel my Sprint contract, buy a Lumia 950 and move to T-mobile. I cannot find a phone that runs Android that is enjoyable to use anymore due to the size so I would switch to a Windows 10 device. The Nexus 6P is too big and the Nexus 5X runs like **** and isn't worth $200. I will be using my Nexus 5 until 11/19/16 which is when I can switch to T-mobile and buy a phone rather than a phablet.
6P regardless. The Note has no 128GB option and the iPhone doesn't have stereo speakers or Android. No other Android has speedy carrier-free (I'm with AT&T) updates. The Moto Pure camera and performance can't compete.
I suppose the only other phone I've considered at this stage, with your parameters, would be the Blackberry Priv. A nearly stock Android phone with top specs and blackberry security, although development would probably be DOA, it would still make for an interesting experience.
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That's funny, I have the Note5 and want to get the 6P.
if money was no object, I'll get the 6P as well
6p for me too. Been using it for 2 days now and hands down best phone I have ever used! I can't do it justice you have to see and use it

Nexus 6P vs Pixel XL

Hey guys, how you all doing?
Just wanted to know your opinion. Currently I am a phoneless guy since my Nexus 5 died a few days ago and since I gave up on the ZTE Axon 7 due to the lack of support from ZTE to the mod community. I am really, really, really eager to finally see what Google is up with the new Pixel phones. Some rumors say that it will be a tough phone to root and mod due to the two partitions for seamless updates and the startup check, etc, etc. That is worrying me a bit. But, since I am a bit desperate to get a new phone, the wait is just cruel, unbearable, excruciating! Yesterday I came across the Nexus 6P, the 128GB version to be more specific, at Amazon. Taking the Nexus 5 as reference, I know that I can rely on the support from the mod community to always have new and updated stuff, since we are talking of a phone that was launched just one year ago. SO, what would you do? Buy a consolidated phone that is the Nexus 6P with tons and tons of mods available, or wait for the Pixel XL?
Sorry for the long text!
Regards!
i would wait for the pixel xl especially now as the release draws closer. the nexus 6p is no doubt the best nexus ever made IMO but the pixel may very well be better. about modding, android has went through many changes that appeared as the death of the developer community but the ever so skillful and dedicated devs here at XDA always seem to find a loophole. it may take time, but eventually, root will be achieved!
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i would wait for the pixel xl especially now as the release draws closer. the nexus 6p is no doubt the best nexus ever made IMO but the pixel may very well be better. about modding, android has went through many changes that appeared as the death of the developer community but the ever so skillful and dedicated devs here at XDA always seem to find a loophole. it may take time, but eventually, root will be achieved!
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I am with Rusty. They said the same thing with iPhone jailbreak (root), Samsung's KNOX, SELinux, locked bootloaders, crazy EEPROM chips, Nexus 6P qfuse, etc...
rusty-ragster said:
i would wait for the pixel xl especially now as the release draws closer. the nexus 6p is no doubt the best nexus ever made IMO but the pixel may very well be better. about modding, android has went through many changes that appeared as the death of the developer community but the ever so skillful and dedicated devs here at XDA always seem to find a loophole. it may take time, but eventually, root will be achieved!
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Huh?
Root on a Pixel or Nexus device?
Unlock the bootloader and flash?
That is the one advantage that has always existed on Google/Nexus devices.
If the bootloader is unlockable, then root is pedestrian at best.
Here is mY 2 cents. I literally know nothing about the new pixel phone as I have no interest in getting it. The only thing I do know that I could suggest is number one HTC is a dying company and I believe that's who makes the phone. It seems to be a love-hate relationship depending on who you talk to but in my opinion they make some of the worst phones available. Number 2 the pixel phone is going to be close to $700 where as the 6p is now selling for under three hundred depending on where you go which is a gigantic difference in price. Again I don't know the specs the ins and the outs of the new pixel phone however a $400 price difference and the name HTC would lead me to say go with the 6p. Remember how well the last HTC Nexus device when? Probably not cuz it was basically a pos that nobody gave a damn about
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Well I know I'm loving 6p big time after finally being able to get one a couple of weeks ago. It's the gold 64gb one and wow, what a phone that will be hard to beat. I'm working twelves and the phone makes it through the whole shift with ghostpepper profile applied. Anyway like previous post what a deal and for the price of pixel, what a steal. Good luck and thank you.
tech_head said:
Huh?
Root on a Pixel or Nexus device?
Unlock the bootloader and flash?
That is the one advantage that has always existed on Google/Nexus devices.
If the bootloader is unlockable, then root is pedestrian at best.
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indeed, but there was an article on the portal about the changes regarding rooting the pixel based on the new partition scheming due to the seamless updates.
Yes guys, I did it! Got a brand new 128GB for 405 euros. Eagerly waiting!
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indeed, but there was an article on the portal about the changes regarding rooting the pixel based on the new partition scheming due to the seamless updates.
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Isint it great. Google takes what is supposed to be a dev phone and makes it harder to root for what???? Seamless what???? What a load of crap. Who cars about seamless updates. They ate really frustrating sometimes.
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gibawatts said:
Yes guys, I did it! Got a brand new 128GB for 405 euros. Eagerly waiting!
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Where??
ludovicien said:
Where??
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German Amazon
Seller has 0% positive ratings after 5 transactions. Brave. Good luck.
ludovicien said:
Seller has 0% positive ratings after 5 transactions. Brave. Good luck.
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Not the one I bought from https://www.amazon.de/gp/aag/main?i...otocol=current&seller=AQWIDFUD8W0EH&sshmPath=
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Not the one I bought from https://www.amazon.de/gp/aag/main?i...otocol=current&seller=AQWIDFUD8W0EH&sshmPath=
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Great deal, Congratz! Enjoy your Nexus6 P.
Shaftamle said:
Isint it great. Google takes what is supposed to be a dev phone and makes it harder to root for what???? Seamless what???? What a load of crap. Who cars about seamless updates. They ate really frustrating sometimes.
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It's not harder just a new layout. Chain fire will have it working in no time. Don't sweat it.
Shaftamle said:
Isint it great. Google takes what is supposed to be a dev phone and makes it harder to root for what???? Seamless what???? What a load of crap. Who cars about seamless updates. They ate really frustrating sometimes.
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i know man seems like google is bringing the nexus out of the dev phone spectrum and is targeting it towards the average consumer now with all of this new pixel branding and stuff i don't understand why though as it took them a long time to make the nexus brand popular and now they are ditching it when it's better than it ever was. :/
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Not the one I bought from https://www.amazon.de/gp/aag/main?i...otocol=current&seller=AQWIDFUD8W0EH&sshmPath=
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1.8 rating dude...
I just got a €390 128GB Nexus 6P, new. On ebay from a guy who bought it and had a problem. While he waited for the substitution from Google he bought a different phone and wanted to cash back as soon as possible. I was suspicious but the phone arrived in the box, completely sealed and everything was legit. Sometimes you get lucky (and considering I needed it to substitute my Note 3 who got destroyed in a fall, Spigen case and tempered glass protector notwithstanding... I sort of deserved it).
Pixel XL doesn't convince me. Smaller screen first of all. With screens it's relatively easy to go bigger... but going smaller? Not for me.
gorman42 said:
I just got a €390 128GB Nexus 6P, new. On ebay from a guy who bought it and had a problem. While he waited for the substitution from Google he bought a different phone and wanted to cash back as soon as possible. I was suspicious but the phone arrived in the box, completely sealed and everything was legit. Sometimes you get lucky (and considering I needed it to substitute my Note 3 who got destroyed in a fall, Spigen case and tempered glass protector notwithstanding... I sort of deserved it).
Pixel XL doesn't convince me. Smaller screen first of all. With screens it's relatively easy to go bigger... but going smaller? Not for me.
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Yes, some times you get lucky. I didn't! I started asking questions and out of the blue I received an email from Amazon telling me that the guy canceled the the sell because he didn't have the phone . So I promptly bought a 64GB that is fullfiled by amazon, of course.
Got mine less than a month ago. 390 Euros .. the 64Gb version all bran new.
I don't think it's worth paying 700$ for the Pixel XL for the 32Gb version. Didn't see anything worth wasting money on. No major hardware changes that will make that a good deal.

Should I buy the Nexus 6p?

Hi everyone, I own a Nexus 5 and, while I like it a lot, I think it's time to get a new phone. I was going to buy the Nexus 5X but the recent bootloop problem with Android 7 made me change my mind and now I'm considering getting either the Nexus 6p or the Galaxy S6. I would prefer the 6p due to stock Android and timely updates but after checking the forums here I noticed a lot of cases of bootloops and bricked devices.
I can get the Nexus 6p for $350 and the Galaxy S6 for $300.
So, what do you think? Should I buy the 6p or get the GS6? Thanks in advance.
PS: Please don't recommend newer devices. They're very expensive where I live.
Definitely the 6p over the GS6...I got the device about a month ago. I unlocked the bootloader, rooted and now I'm on WETA 8.4 Nougat. I spent a lot of time on Resurrection and AICP (MM)...I haven't had any issues with a bricked device or bootloops. There is an issue with the latest recovery though. I'm not sure if it has been fixed. It had something to do with EFS backup/restore and I believe it affected TWRP 3.0.2-2 and 3.0.2-3. I was using -0 for a while til I upgraded to using Nougat ROMs. I haven't had a single issue...I'm also not dumb enough to try something if I don't fully understand the risks. V4A has a new look, Resurrection (MM) includes a new CMTE version I wasnt familiar with coming from a HTC M8...The dev community here is helpful. A lot of the devs are moving on to Nougat, so development is somewhat stalled. It will pop back up hot in a few weeks once Nougat gains more traction. I can't speak for the GS6 community because i don't own a GS6. I'm not even sure if Nougat is available to the GS6. I'd imagine it is though...You know the Nexus Marlin is coming out though? I won't be getting the Marlin anytime soon. I am more than happy enough with the 6P
Edit: you probably popped into the general and troubleshooting threads and saw a bunch of those, "help my device is in bootloop,etc". I'm not sure what their problems are, but i haven't had a single issue when updating to Nougat. I fastboot flashed the factory images to Nougat from MM. If you have problems using ADB check out Squabbi's thread. He made a program that will flash the OTAs, unlock your bootloader, and root your device. You literally have to run the program and let it do it's job. I can try to help as much as I can, but I'm having to catch up myself, so I'm limited. When I made the move from the M8 to the Nexus. There were a lot of changes, so it seemed all new to me. I still don't know a lot about PHH or Magisk v6. It seems to me like a number of people are going to a systemless root approach. It doesn't matter to me regardless, but I do not know the benefits of having systemless root either. Xposed hasn't been updated to Nougat and I have no idea if rovo89 will be doing that or not.
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I would love to get the Marlin or Sailfish but as I said, new phones are very expensive where I live. I can get the Nexus 6P for $350 and the GS6 for $300.
I had to include more in that first comment. Ultimately it is your decision. Both phones are great...I'd even recommend the One Plus Three. It has a snapdragon 820 instead of the 810 the 6p has. I do not know which is better though. It's also slightly cheaper too.
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I'll probably wait for more replies before I decide. I also need to check a Nexus 6p IRL to see if it fits comfortably in my hand, if not I'll probably get the Galaxy S6.
So I had the same dilemma a month ago (and I'm glad it's past now lol). Same two devices (was also looking at 5X) and around the same prices.
GS6 more powerful and cheaper.
N6P: stock, timely updated and easily to modify.
I chose the N6P for these reasons, as I'm also not a heavy-games player.
Regarding the screen I was also a bit shocked at the start but wow what a nice wide screen. While I still have to sometimes hold it with 2 hands for a few tasks, I am not regretting the wide screen.
Last rom I have tried is weta, everything works but considering moving back to stock/rooted because stock is really of good quality/battery wise.
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I'm buying an 6p and giving my s6 to my dad. I hate the s6. It's so hard to hold it and it has so much bloat ware. Also the phone got slower after using it for 2 months.
I have bought 6p two days ago after LG G4.
Never ever buy a non-Nexus device in the future.
predek said:
I have bought 6p two days ago after LG G4.
Never ever buy a non-Nexus device in the future.
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You won't be able to buy a Nexus in the future either
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You won't be able to buy a Nexus in the future either
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Ahahahah!! You are right mate!
So I'll stay with 6P till the end of my day!
Anyway.. Love my new Nexus!
I ended up buying the 6P, it's an amazing phone. It is a little big but I have managed to use it without any problem. One last question, I'm not considering rooting it or flashing a custom ROM, if I check the "OEM unlock" option in "Developer settings" will I be able to unlock the bootloader later in case it gets soft bricked or should I unlock the bootloader now?
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I ended up buying the 6P, it's an amazing phone. It is a little big but I have managed to use it without any problem. One last question, I'm not considering rooting it or flashing a custom ROM, if I check the "OEM unlock" option in "Developer settings" will I be able to unlock the bootloader later in case it gets soft bricked or should I unlock the bootloader now?
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I tend to unlock the bootloader as soon as I get a phone, just because it wipes the phone and it's always a pain to them get all your stuff back! It's really simple to unlock, so if you haven't got much on your phone still, I'd recommend doing it sooner rather than later
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I tend to unlock the bootloader as soon as I get a phone, just because it wipes the phone and it's always a pain to them get all your stuff back! It's really simple to unlock, so if you haven't got much on your phone still, I'd recommend doing it sooner rather than later
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THIS. This a thousand times. Coming from a Note 3 which I didn't unlock (settled for root and Xposed and that was it), I didn't know about the wipe after unlock. I ended up wasting a full day of customization once I discovered that I needed to unlock it.
Got mine three weeks ago. Loving it.
So far all I have is an excellent impression from my device.

G4 -> 6P

Hi everyone. Do you recommend to pass from an LG G4 to a Nexus 6P? Do you think that 6P is still a good smartphone in 2017? Thanks in advance.
CiroP33 said:
Hi everyone. Do you recommend to pass from an LG G4 to a Nexus 6P? Do you think that 6P is still a good smartphone in 2017? Thanks in advance.
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Personally I would hold off. Seems there has been some quality issues with the Nexus 6p. Have a look at this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/boot-loop-death-nexus-6p-t3533528
Even the Nexus 5x has a bootloop of death issue. I'm a die-hard Nexus fan and currently I'm on a Nexus 6 and was thinking of continuing to the Nexus 6p but after reading all these quality issues and Huawei giving bad support, I'm going to hold of. Many of those who can't afford or who can't justify buying the Pixel devices are moving to OnePlus 3/3T.
Arju said:
Personally I would hold off. Seems there has been some quality issues with the Nexus 6p. Have a look at this thread: https://forum.xda-developers.com/nexus-6p/help/boot-loop-death-nexus-6p-t3533528
*SNIP*, I'm going to hold of. Many of those who can't afford or who can't justify buying the Pixel devices are moving to OnePlus 3/3T.
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That option exist only if you are not Verizon. The OnePLus is not Verizon compatible..
That said, I don't have any issues with my 6P.
tech_head said:
That option exist only if you are not Verizon. The OnePLus is not Verizon compatible..
That said, I don't have any issues with my 6P.
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I don't have any problems with my 6P either but that doesn't change the fact that there are build quality issues with this phone and that an alarmingly high number of people seem to have serious issues with the 6P. If you buy one of these without warranty you are taking a serious chance. I personally wouldn't buy a 6P at this point. Too many potential issues and poor support from both Google and Huawei.
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That option exist only if you are not Verizon. The OnePLus is not Verizon compatible..
That said, I don't have any issues with my 6P.
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I do not know what carrier the OP has but even if OnePlus is not an option, I wouldn't jump the gun on the Nexus 6p. The device is no doubt a great device but as @jhs39 says, there is also no doubt that it has quality issues. Don't get me wrong, I really wanted that device but buying it now when warranty will be limited is a huge risk. Even with warranty it feels not good to know the phone is a ticking time bomb that might stop working when you least expect it. I'm glad it works for you of course but I wouldn't recommend anyone to get it in these day and age. From the stories I've read from the link I shared it seems like Google is pointing on Huawei because it's a hardware defect. Huawei is giving their customers the cold shoulder and the RMA process has been a nightmare. Just that feels disturbing. So that's the reason why I can't find myself choosing the 6p. The 5x is also a ticking time bomb. Really sad that both Huawei and LG messed up on the last Nexus devices.
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I do not know what carrier the OP has but even if OnePlus is not an option, I wouldn't jump the gun on the Nexus 6p. The device is no doubt a great device but as @jhs39 says, there is also no doubt that it has quality issues. Don't get me wrong, I really wanted that device but buying it now when warranty will be limited is a huge risk. Even with warranty it feels not good to know the phone is a ticking time bomb that might stop working when you least expect it. I'm glad it works for you of course but I wouldn't recommend anyone to get it in these day and age. From the stories I've read from the link I shared it seems like Google is pointing on Huawei because it's a hardware defect. Huawei is giving their customers the cold shoulder and the RMA process has been a nightmare. Just that feels disturbing. So that's the reason why I can't find myself choosing the 6p. The 5x is also a ticking time bomb. Really sad that both Huawei and LG messed up on the last Nexus devices.
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Granted I wouldn't buy one without a warranty.
I just did a warranty claim with my Google Warranty. No isses and I had a replacement in 2 days.
Once the current Google warranty gest close to expirations, I'm going to get a SquareTrade plan.
On any modern phone, it's crazy not to have some kind of extended/warranty and damage replacement plan.

In doubt between Nexus and other phone

Hi everyone,
I currently own a Galaxy S6 but since the custom development is poor and the battery life isn't what I desire, I'm looking for an upgrade. My eyes fell on the 6P, but also the new midrange of Motorola, the G5 Plus.
The two things I mentioned are urgent in my search for a new smartphone.
I hope someone can help a fellow flashaholic out!
I don't recommend a 6P nowadays. It's a great phone, but it has the 810 bootloop issue and the although I think the battery is great, it can fail at any moment and you'll have to replace it - these two behaviors are well documented here.
I'd suggest a Pixel or (like me) wait for the Pixel 2, it's around the corner.
And if you can recommend me any phone around €250, what would you recommend right now? Because that's the price range I'm looking in.
Moto Z play or play 2. Have great battery life, development should be good too because vanilla Android on moto devices.
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Same recommendation as the guy above, don't get a Nexus 6p. I've got two of them and both suffer from a range of issues, including the early shutdown problem and the bootloop issue (one of them). You're better off taking your money somewhere else
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Same recommendation as the guy above, don't get a Nexus 6p. I've got two of them and both suffer from a range of issues, including the early shutdown problem and the bootloop issue (one of them). You're better off taking your money somewhere else
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Did you purchase your phone from Google?
dratsablive said:
Did you purchase your phone from Google?
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Nope, I bought both phones second hand (when I bought them they were working great of course). These issues usually show up after several months
MrMarques01 said:
Nope, I bought both phones second hand (when I bought them they were working great of course). These issues usually show up after several months
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Drats. I have same battery issue. Even though warranty expired last winter, Google is still sending me a free replacement.
Still a good phone for a good price and nice developing would be a axon 7. my wife owns it and it would be an option for me if my n6p decides to die.
coremania said:
Still a good phone for a good price and nice developing would be a axon 7. my wife owns it and it would be an option for me if my n6p decides to die.
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Ya. If you ever experienced front facing speakers, nothing else will do. I have the ported axon 7 Dolby Atmos installed and it matches my friend's axon 7 output. My 6p is coming to a year old and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.:fingers-crossed:
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Ya. If you ever experienced front facing speakers, nothing else will do. I have the ported axon 7 Dolby Atmos installed and it matches my friend's axon 7 output. My 6p is coming to a year old and I'm keeping my fingers crossed.:fingers-crossed:
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Yes, mine is a year old too, hope I'll never experience the bod,
but if, my wife gets a new phone win win
So if I get to choose between a Nexus 6P, Xiaomi Redmi Note 4X and an iPhone 6 64GB. Which one would be worth the money considering my points of battery life and development?
IPhone and 6P would both be at a price of €250 and the Xiaomi €170.

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