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I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?
ronschaefer said:
I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?
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WHAT kind of applications you are trying to write?
Do you need to write a device driver for your PDA?
ronschaefer said:
I need help - I want to start writing programs for my Tilt. Looking through the posts it seems the C++ is the way to go. I found a bunch of nice tutorials on the web on how to program in C++ but not now to write a program for a pocket pc.
Specifically I need help with which programs to download.
Im looking for a list like this of exactly what I need to get
1. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ 4.0.
2. Microsoft embedded Visual C++ SP4
3. Microsoft pocket pc 2003 sdk.msi
4. Microsoft Windows CE 5.0 Device Emulator
or what ever
Thanks I tried to figure this out on my own but got frustrated after installing like 7 different programs. Seems like you should only need 1 program but it seems like you need to download a bunch.
Also with the Embedded Visual C++ program I dont see where to enter your code - like open workspace or something?
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You should be able to do it with visual studio and the emulator, im not 100% sure though, I only know a limited amount of Java.
Most phones support .net/C#/Java, so pick a language
What I want to write
Just some fun stuff =
One idea I had is a generic sound simulator, tie buttons to different sound - .wav files; animal sounds, machine sounds, phasor blasts, drum kit, theme music like - http://www.thinkgeek.com/tshirts/illuminated/a5bf/
I want to have it look nice too with decent graphics.
i suggest to use Visual Studio 2005 or 2008.
It's simplest way to start (and continue) to write programs.
Both native and NET technologies are supported. C++ and C# available.
Both VS versions are coming with integrated Device Emulator with WM5(VS2005) and WM6(VS2008) images for PDA/PDAPhone/SP and remote debugger for real PDA/PDAPhone/SP devices.
If you are using VS2005/2008. Download the latest Windows Mobile 6 SDK (Standard and Pro) for the best Emulation.
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Dave
but c# only works with .net
where c++ works with win32(native) microMFC(Native) and .net
more info can be found
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=380069&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=382995&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=226412&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=336251&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=305926&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=302548&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=228043&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=317913&highlight=programming
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=237932&highlight=programming
yes, ะก# is for NET only. This language appeared together with NET technology as alternative to Java after breakup with SUN
C# is closer to BASIC than C++. I, personally, don't recommend C#. Ths "strange" language is for lazy people. Almost nothing left of C++ and its ideology.
Visual Studio 2008 Pro trial version
Thanks for you advice - i deleted all that embedded C++ stuff - was way too confusing, must have had like 8 programs installed and still was not working - I like the idea of just 3 things the visual studio and the 2 WM6 SDKs
Im going to try the visual studio 2008 - there is a trial version of it for 90 days
http://msdn.microsoft.com/en-us/vstudio/products/aa700831.aspx
Would i be better off with the 2005 version as Im using Xp not Vista on my main computer. Should I get the Try Visual Studio "Team System" 2008 - Trial Software or just stick with the regular one i downloaded?
I also downloaded the standard and professional WM6 SDKs
http://www.microsoft.com/downloads/...745-88EF-3D48091A390B&displaylang=en#filelist
I used embedded visual tools in the past (3 and 4). Be aware that you cannot use the WM5 SDK with eVC, you must use Visual Studio for that. The latest thing usable with eVC is the WM2003 SDK, as far as I know. Also, the emulator handling in eVC was quite sluggish and buggy. When I switched to VS2005, it was like a deliverance to me. Also, the help system in VS is a blessing. *g*
Though I used Delphi's VCL in the past, I would never freely touch such a thing on restricted hardware such as in PDAs. Hence, .NET, MFC and of course *cough* Java *cough* are out of the question. I'm a pure C++ writer. The progs are nicely small and fast. And there are always alternatives to the things I can't use because of that: for instance instead of MFC CStrings I got acquainted with STL library's strings. There's also ATL which supposedly can be used instead of MFC for GUI programming, but when I looked for it some years back I found only very little information about that.
Happy coding.
Is it true that you can only develop WinMo C++ in VS Pro?
I read on the Microsoft marketplace that the standard edition dosnt support mobiles..
are there any alternatives (C++ only please..)
yes they only support through pro... but you can get it for free through dreamspark if you are a student
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yes they only support through pro... but you can get it for free through dreamspark if you are a student
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damn, I am a student but my uni isnt listed
I asked one of the admins and they are looking into getting on the list
But it might be too late coz its my last year..
Mic159 said:
damn, I am a student but my uni isnt listed
I asked one of the admins and they are looking into getting on the list
But it might be too late coz its my last year..
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Good news. My uni isn't listed either. It is a simple matter of verifying your student status on journey ed. I'm glad I could help with this because it turns out that I could get all the dreamspark software through my school's MSDNAA program anyways.
Hi there,
I have bought a Samsung D980, and I'm trying to develop a small java game to it.
The problem is that I getting problems everytime , I transfer my game from the PC to cellphone.
I even try the game in Nokia, and it works just fine.
Does anyone have develop a java game that runs on D980?
thanks
Jbed?
Have you downloaded the HTC Java file to your phone? I think its called Jbed.
Most phones dont have java on them, so to make a game for it you need this file in your windows folder.
Hope this helps!
The Samsung D980 don't use Windows Mobile, but a Samgsung OS.
You can check it here http://pt.samsungmobile.com/telemoveis/samsung-d980-specification
Java is designed for compiling once and running everywhere.
But in fact it needs compiling many times and debugging everywhere.
Because different manufactures have their own packages and even slightly different behavior for standard APIs.
It is normal that your java program works on Nokia but not other devices.
You need programming documents for your phone. Or ask Samsung.
Hello im new to android i have a advent vega but will love it to have some sort of windows on it if anyone has any ideas or if this is possible please post thanks
Apparently the next version of Windows will be able to run on ARM processors such as the Tegra 2 in the Vega. I doubt it'll end up on the Vega, though someone might port it over.
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If we do get windows on vega, would be able to install windows software such as skype,msn etc i probaly guess so but please correct if im wrong
I would be very surprised if windows will ever come to our vegas. Memory i would say is the main issue, xp would be the only one able to run with 512mb of ram, and that has poor touch screen support. I am running windows 7 with 1gb of ram (min system req) on my laptop, and it runs very slow. As far as i am aware even the netbook version needs 1gb. Be happy with android.
I wasn't really talking about windows 7 (although i would like that) but windows CE or windows mobile.
PS . As I said I only want it for the software.
yioti said:
I wasn't really talking about windows 7 (although i would like that) but windows CE or windows mobile.
PS . As I said I only want it for the software.
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Won't ever happen, windosws mobile is all closed source. Android is much better anyway, just get used to it
Agreed, winmob on the vega prob wont occour.
I too, miss some great apps and games which doubtfully will ever appear on andriod. The android gaming community, seems a little shallower than the wince lot.
I stll keep my htc touch and diamnd 2 specifically because of this.
Rgds
F
android
i think if we can get android 3.0 (or whatever the numbers will be) on our vega's, its more then enough to have enough fun with it, an operating system that does not thing its a smartphone and optimized for tablets. i used many android smartphones before, but using even 2.2 on vega is more fun then any smartphone i think, at least you can read web sites and not harm your eyes
PS : i have a joojoo tablet too, which runs win7 and i think android is better and faster on a tablet like vega ( tegra2 tabets).
Some of the cheap import tablets like the Zenithink ZT-180 have roms for WinCE - but from what I have read nobody really uses them since even WinCE is pretty poor as a tablet OS (well, that and the ZT-180 is pretty rubbish!).
as a student you can get the windows embedded 7 development kit for free, that should be able to run on the advent vega but my knowledge isnt yet sufficient to build and deploy a rom in order t test it
I honestly don't understand this kind of question:
You have Windows a system built for PCs and to be operated specific using keyboard and mouse.
And then you have Android a system built for mobile devices to be operated specific with a touch screen.
I guess the question is not IF it's possible, but WHY in a hell would anyone even bother porting it?
Do you miss msn and skype? I got news for you, just download Skype and eBuddy from the market. Solved!
Budius said:
I honestly don't understand this kind of question:
You have Windows a system built for PCs and to be operated specific using keyboard and mouse.
And then you have Android a system built for mobile devices to be operated specific with a touch screen.
I guess the question is not IF it's possible, but WHY in a hell would anyone even bother porting it?
Do you miss msn and skype? I got news for you, just download Skype and eBuddy from the market. Solved!
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What about office tools? i have yet to find a decent word processor that retains all (or most) of word's features.
sadly, while gdocs looks lovely, writing documents is still a pain..
Although I also wish that I could do some serious work on my tablet / smartphone, you simply can not do it (too small screen => primarily wasn't meant for this kind of job, but it's great in mobility and therefore "valuable information on the go").
Tablets & smartphones are used to consume / present information and PCs / workstations are used to generate that information.
I have also tried all kind of Office software (QuickOffice HD, Polaris Office, Docs To Go, GDocs,...), but reality is that generating information on Android is 30-50% slower than on a 20" monitor with keyboard & mouse hooked on a PC.
Yes, you could make a new office software on Android that would need a keyboard, mouse & external monitor, but that would defeat the purpose of mobility.
And sadly there is no such good software on Android with so many funtionalities that are found in Microsoft Office.
IMHO you can do up to 30 minutes of work without problems, for anything above that, please do yourself a favor and use a PC.
This something that may interest you. Only on ipad as of now, but I am sure will be on android soon.
Stokesy
Edit OK can't post a link... search windows thin client via on live.
Yes, I already heard of that tech.
It's something like remote desktop (but a bit better).
http://desktop.onlive.com/overview
Will see how this performs in real life when it's released for Android.
stokesyblack said:
This something that may interest you. Only on ipad as of now, but I am sure will be on android soon.
Stokesy
Edit OK can't post a link... search windows thin client via on live.
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And that time is NOW!
OnLive Desktop is now available on Android:
https://market.android.com/details?id=com.onlive.desktop
For free registration and more info, check my above post!
I would like to hear your thoughts on this software!
EDIT: It appears the download is US only.
Here is a link to APK file.
Hmmmm interesting I am downloading now
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Yani, its a good app, have you tried? I will use this all the time when I use my Vega during work. I find the windows apps quite poor on Android (I uses docs to go). This is great for reading and creating basic files. There are a few problems I have found so far.
1. The UI is not really designed for touch screen, I used with my docking station, keyboard and mouse but still was hard to click on the right part due to the alignment being off slightly on the mouse pointer.
2. Docs saved to the virtual desktop can be downloaded from a site called files.onlive.com. However when you try to access this site it says 'only available in USA'. So might be a nightmare to get off what you have created.
What do you think?
Stokesy
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stokesyblack said:
Yani, its a good app, have you tried? I will use this all the time when I use my Vega during work. I find the windows apps quite poor on Android (I uses docs to go). This is great for reading and creating basic files. There are a few problems I have found so far.
1. The UI is not really designed for touch screen, I used with my docking station, keyboard and mouse but still was hard to click on the right part due to the alignment being off slightly on the mouse pointer.
2. Docs saved to the virtual desktop can be downloaded from a site called files.onlive.com. However when you try to access this site it says 'only available in USA'. So might be a nightmare to get off what you have created.
What do you think?
Stokesy
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Sorry, but I haven't used this myself.
If you read my signature, I'm still on stock Froyo and this app needs at least Gingerbread.
I've read only good things about this.
I use QuickOffice for documents, but I only view documents, and these android office apps aren't even good at that!
But I've tried OnLive (for gaming) on SGS and it's amazing!!!!111one
Now to get some answers for your questions:
1. I think you need to restart your OnLive desktop in order to fully accept your mouse&keyboard input.
2. I went to https://desktop.onlive.com/account/myfiles and uploaded a doc file and then redownloaded it without a problem. I'm from Slovenia - EU and I've used Firefox on a PC with Ubuntu/Linux OS.
hi lats how to install im write my email address and nothing why sombody help mi?thanks
Maybe it will soon be possible to run android and windows nt nativly at the same time on the Transformer !
how? - ReactOS:
http://www.reactos.org/ (if you are going to test it in a virtual machine dont' use the 0.3.14 version of os, use the trunk build version its much much much better)
ReactOS is an open source windows clone and most of the windows applications work on it ! (MS office, opera, ff, ...) the good news is there is an ARM port of ReactOS - Windows RT equivalent:
http://www.reactos.org/wiki/ARM_Port
ReactOS still has problems to work on real hardware because of many different components but on some PC it works very well (it can be targeted to work on a platform and fix the bugs)
The ARM port is able to run on the transformer but there is still a lot of work to do.
Windows will soon release a Office ARM version for winRT and in order to run any windows application on the transformer a recompile is needed.
and about android there is already a port of android that runs native on windowsne emulation no virtual machine !!)
http://mobile.slashdot.org/story/13...utm_source=rss1.0mainlinkanon&utm_medium=feed
If anyone has any coding skills it would be nice to try to port reactos to the transformer or just to donate to the project with the subject "arm port for transformer"
cool, thanks for sharing Cruonit
Hello Yoga Book XDA,
I'm looking to buy a YOGA BOOK when it's released but I have a few questions on my mind that we could maybe think about and find an answer to.
1. Do you think, given the fact that there is no hardware difference, we will see dual boot Win10 / Android through XDA developers community? I'm going to be extra excited if this is a future possibility.
2. How do you guys think the X5 Atom processor will fair? I currently have an i3 380UM laptop from 2011 - and the CPU passmark says the X5 is faster (scoring higher). So I guess it's an upgrade for me. The i3 380UM does basic Illustrator and Photoshop without much issues, so I'm very hopeful for the X5.
3. Is the 4G modem standard on the Android and Windows version? Or is it a separately priced model?
That's all for now! Perhaps other people can chime in with their questions and together we can get a Q/A thread going.
Just brought the Android version and tried different app. It's smooth and work great for movie, browsing.
Will try gaming later. Very very minor delay by using the pen, which is OK for me.
it'll be very interesting if it can be dual boot to Win/And
Have you found an alternative supplier for the paper pads?
@black818pro - How do you like the device? I am eyeing it when it's released in the US. Any chance to shoot a quick video review?
Can you use OneNote on Android to take notes on paper? Or is this limited to a lenovo app?
Hi,
I bought the Lenovo Yoga Book Android version WiFi only.
I want to set it up as a productive device (read: buy Android and try if I can do everything what I can do with Win), including MS Office, Google Docs, SSH Client for my Server Management and ez PDF Reader to read and annotate PDFs.
Drawing is not my use case.
Verdict after one week:
HW:
+ hardware is amazing, you can read in the internet
+ battery life is really good
+ keyboard is way better than expected, at least I can type on it quite good.
+ Annotating PDF in a new way: I activate the scratch pad, then I clsoe the small Lenovo Notes window. So I have the PDF on the screen and can annotate it via the still active scratch pad. This way, my hand does not get in the way of my information. Takes some getting used to, but works OK!
- it is not really possible to write directly on the screen, with Lenovos AnyPen technology, you won't have palm rejection on the screen
- the touchpad is not good. I use an external mouse anyway.
SW:
+ Android came a long way considering the use of mouse and keyboard. It really works good
+ Office suites both of Google and MS for Android get everything done that I neeed to do.
+ Switching between Pen and Keyboard mode works reliable.
- Pen in OneNote is lagging A.F.
Edit 13. October:
Actually, note taking in OneNote works perfectly fine, even with a lot of other programs running in the background. See post 16 of this thread. I just re-tested it on @ashwincr's request.
Ulukaii1983 said:
+ Annotating PDF in a new way: I activate the scratch pad, then I clsoe the small Lenovo Notes window. So I have the PDF on the screen and can annotate it via the still active scratch pad. This way, my hand does not get in the way of my information. Takes some getting used to, but works OK!
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Thanks for the detailed post. I presume you can annotate Google docs and word in the way you describe?
I will check this later!
Hi, I can confirm that I can easily annotate in Word via the drawing tab. I have not found this functionality in Google Docs yet.
Ulukaii1983 said:
Hi, I can confirm that I can easily annotate in Word via the drawing tab. I have not found this functionality in Google Docs yet.
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Thanks. Weird that Google docs doesn't respond though.
After using the Android version for a while, I dont like the Yoga Book in this configuration. I finally changed to Windows version and find it's more suitable with a keyboard like Yoga.
black818pro said:
After using the Android version for a while, I dont like the Yoga Book in this configuration. I finally changed to Windows version and find it's more suitable with a keyboard like Yoga.
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Can you please explain why the windows version is preferable for you? Is it a simple preference for windows over android through more familiarity with windows, or is it because the implementation of the software works better whilst using windows?
Michiel0211 said:
3. Is the 4G modem standard on the Android and Windows version? Or is it a separately priced model?
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The Version with the 4G modem is a separate model. It has different model numbers
Without 4G (Android) : YB1-X90F
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ashwincr said:
Can you use OneNote on Android to take notes on paper? Or is this limited to a lenovo app?
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I use fiinote for the note taking and this works also with the digitizer and real pen.
Ulukaii1983 said:
Hi,
I bought the Lenovo Yoga Book Android version WiFi only.
I want to set it up as a productive device (read: buy Android and try if I can do everything what I can do with Win), including MS Office, Google Docs, SSH Client for my Server Management and ez PDF Reader to read and annotate PDFs.
Drawing is not my use case.
Verdict after one week:
HW:
+ hardware is amazing, you can read in the internet
+ battery life is really good
+ keyboard is way better than expected, at least I can type on it quite good.
+ Annotating PDF in a new way: I activate the scratch pad, then I clsoe the small Lenovo Notes window. So I have the PDF on the screen and can annotate it via the still active scratch pad. This way, my hand does not get in the way of my information. Takes some getting used to, but works OK!
- it is not really possible to write directly on the screen, with Lenovos AnyPen technology, you won't have palm rejection on the screen
- the touchpad is not good. I use an external mouse anyway.
SW:
+ Android came a long way considering the use of mouse and keyboard. It really works good
+ Office suites both of Google and MS for Android get everything done that I neeed to do.
+ Switching between Pen and Keyboard mode works reliable.
- Pen in OneNote is lagging A.F.
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Thanks for the detailed review. So I assume the pen works but is laggy in One Note on Android. I plan on using this a lot for note taking with the pen on the notepad. As long as the notes are captured correctly in OneNote, I am not too concerned if it is laggy. My requirements are for my hand written notes to be captured correctly and later archived in OneNote. Do you think the Android version with One Note will work for this scenario?
ashwincr, I checked OneNote performance once again and found out that it works perfectly smooth.
I made a short screencast of it. I think your use case should be covered! BUY! (no I do not work for Lenovo)
Ulukaii1983 said:
ashwincr, I checked OneNote performance once again and found out that it works perfectly smooth.
I made a short screencast of it. I think your use case should be covered! BUY! (no I do not work for Lenovo)
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Excellent, Thanks for confirming!
Hi.
Do someone knows how to root this Yoga Book?
Yours Andreas
Spoke to Lenovo and the UK isn't getting the Yoga Book till end of October now (Android version)...... I can wait though...
black818pro said:
Just brought the Android version and tried different app. It's smooth and work great for movie, browsing.
Will try gaming later. Very very minor delay by using the pen, which is OK for me.
it'll be very interesting if it can be dual boot to Win/And
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Hello were abouts are you based and how much did you pay for yours?
arohrmann said:
Hi.
Do someone knows how to root this Yoga Book?
Yours Andreas
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Best chance at the moment is probably to unlock the bootloader, pull stock recovery and with those files port CWM recovery for this device. Then you should be able to flash unsigned files, e.g. SuperSU.
It's quite simple to unlock the bootloader using fastboot, porting CWM...well yeah....anybody out there whose capable???