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First LG G3 samples get compared with the Galaxy S5, One M8, Note 3, and iPhone 5s
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Very good
Good.
crappy audio noise cancellation
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crappy audio noise cancellation
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yes I wonder if they haven't finalized their software for it or if you should only turn it on in certain situations or what.
Anyways, I haven't seen many videos but here's one that shows the super steady and well exposed video the G3 can shoot, along with no audio issues. Pretty impressive for indoors video so far:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ffz71YW02lM
Looking good, the audio cancellation issues aren't great, but I hope it is software related somehow. I really dig the "magic focus" feature. Much better implementation than HTC.
The real question is if they have improved the camera in low-light conditions with moving objects. The LG G2 stock camera suffered BADLY in trying to shoot pictures of moving objects in low light conditions.
In addition, the stock G2 camera denoising algorithm was way too aggressive leading to watercolor-like pictures, again especially in low-light.
Glad they tried to address the slow focus issue with the G2 by implementing laser focus.
here are some samples
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-initial-photo-and-video-samples
hello00 said:
here are some samples
http://www.androidcentral.com/lg-g3-initial-photo-and-video-samples
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It looks good
I wonder how it performs against Z2
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The real question is if they have improved the camera in low-light conditions with moving objects. The LG G2 stock camera suffered BADLY in trying to shoot pictures of moving objects in low light conditions.
In addition, the stock G2 camera denoising algorithm was way too aggressive leading to watercolor-like pictures, again especially in low-light.
Glad they tried to address the slow focus issue with the G2 by implementing laser focus.
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Photographer here -- unfortunately, in low light with ANY smartphone you'll have difficulty capturing a moving object. With low light, you require a longer shutter speed, and depending on how fast the object is moving, you're guaranteed to have blur. Whether your phone is hand held or on a tripod does not matter -- the motion is relative to the camera, not the camera itself.
In low light to be able to effectively capture a moving object with no blur you will need a large sensor camera (e.g. DSLR APS-C or m4/3) and fast (large aperture) lens. Smartphones have small sensors and can't capture as much light which therefore requires lengthening the shutter speed to allow enough light in to expose the scene properly. Similarly, they can't use higher ISO (sensitivity) to keep the shutter speed short either due to having excessive noise at comparable ISO levels.
The exception to this is a good flash. With a good flash you can use a faster shutter speed and be able to "freeze motion" better. Of course, the flashes on phones are underpowered and will only help you out if you're reasonably close to whatever you're trying to capture.
Just to give some examples, in lower light situations small sensor cameras pretty much have to use a 1/30s or longer shutter speed. Any object that's moving faster than a snail's pace will therefore have blur. On the other hand, with a large sensor camera and fast lens, you can realistically increase your ISO to say 6400 if you have a fast moving object and set your shutter speed to 1/200s and fire away.
Another issue is that we really don't have effective control over shutter speed on smartphones. Hopefully this will come eventually with Android's new API (along with RAW support). Sure, most people don't know how to shoot in manual mode but for those who do it's very helpful. I believe many phone manufacturers include a "sports" or "action" mode that will prioritize shutter speed over ISO (and no idea if the G2 has a similar mode), but still there's only so much it can do with a small sensor in a situation where the physics just aren't in its favor. Smartphones are great in good light, but if low light is a priority, a dedicated camera is the only solution.
thx for all that info KLMD, really helpful and easy to understand! cheers bud
Of course, glad to hear it was understandable.
With all that said, what do I think of the G3's camera so far? Well first off, OIS is critical when you're not shooting outdoors and not using a tripod (due to the shutter speeds as I explained above). No other Android flagship has OIS which is quite a shame, so based on that the G3 is already starting ahead of the pack. The benefit of this is clearly demonstrated in PhoneArena's samples compared to the Galaxy S5. Due to the indoor lighting, the S5's shots appear to lack detail because of the blur induced by a long shutter speed that's not stabilized optically. Meanwhile, the G3's are tack sharp. Their samples are more of a "real world" demonstration compared to many smartphone camera reviews where they have the indoors shots stabilized on a tripod. Having the phones on a tripod eliminates the reviewer's shaky hands from affecting results, but it also hides the necessity of OIS for low light photos. 99% of the time we're not using a tripod with our smartphones.
From samples I've seen so far, LG appears to have gotten their software processing down pretty well -- way better than the G2. White balance and exposure seem to be handled well, and photos seem to have better saturation than the G2.
The G3 also appears to have a wider angle lens than the S5, and I appreciate that its sensor is 4:3 rather than 16:9. 16:9 may fill up your entire screen when framing the shot, but if shooting in landscape mode you're really losing out on vertical height (and vice versa if oriented in portrait you're not getting much horizontally). The G3 without a doubt fits more into the frame due to both the lens angle and 4:3 aspect ratio.
With the OIS and good software processing, at this point the G3's camera looks to be the most promising of any Android device. I'll wait for more samples to make a firm conclusion, but again, the G3 is more compelling than anything else right now.
Edit: correction the Nexus 5 also has OIS, but of course it's also made by LG
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Edit: correction the Nexus 5 also has OIS, but of course it's also made by LG
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HTC One M7 also has it, M8 lost it coz it didnt play well with the duo camera setup apparently.
My view on G3,Sorry to break ice about camera but here are facts :
1. There is no laser in g3 but laserish IR light that gets detected by camera to focus for near objects.
2. No practical use in daylight.
3. Useless to detect & focus on far objects - let's check when reviews comes for range. Depends on how powerful ir included.
4. Same camera hardware except Lewis software promotion.
These are simple practical physics facts of camera working.
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NaveenKumarXDA said:
My view on G3,Sorry to break ice about camera but here are facts :
1. There is no laser in g3 but laserish IR light that gets detected by camera to focus for near objects.
2. No practical use in daylight.
3. Useless to detect & focus on far objects - let's check when reviews comes for range. Depends on how powerful ir included.
4. Same camera hardware except Lewis software promotion.
These are simple practical physics facts of camera working.
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Just info share no offense [emoji89]
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what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
hello00 said:
what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
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Yes
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Any confirmation of 1080p60?
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Any confirmation of 1080p60?
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Yes. Its already in the G2 also, so pretty obvious to be in G3.
Ohhhhooo
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what did u think it had? a laser from a gun
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Yes Sir, I thought "Light Amplification by Stimulated Emission of Light" but not the case Here. Hence a Lie.
Hello guys in waiting to order this device as soon as it's back in Stock in India. I was more concerned about the SD 810 and lack of OIS. Though the reports are now out the device isn't getting hot, I'm still not sure how the impact of OIS is.. I've seen comparison videos that showed too much shakiness during the video capture and sometime during low light pictures. Can you please tell the impact of the absence of OIS?
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The comparison videos don't lie. OIS impacts video taking pretty badly, especially at 4K. As far as photos, I haven't noticed any impact even in low light.
It has electronic image stabilization and it's possible it could improve in an update, but I wouldn't count on it. If stable video is a deal breaker for you, you're better off with a different device sadly.
I'll agree with the above. I having used the Note 4 compared to my Nexus 6p the OIS make a huge difference in video. If your going to shoot 1080p or UHD4k then I would recommend some sort of tripod for the 6p. Walking or running is out of the question. That said, the 6p takes great photos. Way better then what my Note 4 can produce in low light.
Shooting in 240fps works pretty well on the 6p.
There's a new app over on the Nexus forum which works on our Z5's and is supposed to highly enhance quality up to 32MP area
What do you think of the quality on our phones?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=65509846
Ben36 said:
There's a new app over on the Nexus forum which works on our Z5's and is supposed to highly enhance quality up to 32MP area
What do you think of the quality on our phones?
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=65509846
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The info in the link says it's not compatible with the Z5. So, I didn't give it a try.
I'm skeptical about how well it would work given the Z5 only gives 3rd party apps access to 8MP of resolution. I would expect higher detailed results from the higher resolution available to the native app, than the multi-exposure stitching scheme this app is using.
At the moment only for nexus devices I think so....
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There's a non play store download link in the OP and it works with our Z5. I've tried it out
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It works, will try some photos tomorrow at day light.
still uses Sony's noise reduction algorithm so pretty much the same just different aspect ratio
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still uses Sony's noise reduction algorithm so pretty much the same just different aspect ratio
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I'm not so sure - this app definitely does suffer at the hands of Sony's brutal noise reduction. But particularly using the front camera, I noticed an increase in quality using this app. Here is my test (sorry about the selphy images but I noticed more of a marked difference using the front camera!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO19bEKY9TKZ2tWSTY1SzV3M1k/view?usp=sharing
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I'm not so sure - this app definitely does suffer at the hands of Sony's brutal noise reduction. But particularly using the front camera, I noticed an increase in quality using this app. Here is my test (sorry about the selphy images but I noticed more of a marked difference using the front camera!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0ByO19bEKY9TKZ2tWSTY1SzV3M1k/view?usp=sharing
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Lol, your eye is brown in one shot green in the other
I disagree, quality the same, maybe slightly worse due to some interpolation going on (causing slight blurriness in details) this was most noticeable when photographing objects with text in the shot.
Manual mode still produces the best photos on this sensor/Sony camera software combo, but it could be much better without the Sony camera software - jpg algorithm.
Here's some shots taken with a 3rd party app called Snap Camera. Enjoy!
Hmm limited file size attachments. Here are links to the originals!
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaUWZvek1BM1R0TUU/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaMkx3VnFDYkoyYXM/view?usp=drivesdk
https://drive.google.com/file/d/0Bx_9X4Ugo_yaTGgxTVU4QXVGWjA/view?usp=drivesdk
I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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I put Google camera and open camera on mine and while they seem better both are somewhat slow to auto focus and snap oic. For a camera on phone to me that quick snap is important. May try the one you mentioned to see if better.
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It has zero shutter lag, instant photos, really recommend it. Let me know if you want my settings! I'm not 100% sure but It may be a paid app, i think i'd purchased it sometime in the past.
Edit - Tried Open Camera - not very good output, couldn't get Google Camera to work for some reason.. Snap Camera is definitely the best I've seen so far.
Paulrgod,
Thank you so much for this post. What a difference snap makes. No focus breathing and stabilization built in. Huge win as the camera is so important to me as it is my daily picture taker for my family and the biggest concern for this phone...but not any more.
Thanks again!
No problem, happy to help.
I took some photos of my son playing in the living room the other day and it was awful, unacceptable quality really.
So I decided to see if any other apps would make a difference. The quality of the photos I posted above were better quality than comparison shots I took on my Note 5!
Still struggling in low light a bit though, but I've found keeping the ISO in check, set at 400 / 800 the shots are acceptable, but can be difficult getting it to take the shot.
Those shots are extremely noisy, lacking detail and soft ... they just feature heavy post processing (by the app) to make it more attractive to the average punter - saturation, contrast and smoothing. The camera absolutely isn't capable. In fact, many phones of similar price have better selfie sensors than this phone does main camera ...
Well someone's a bit grumpy. Did you click the links to see the full versions? The attachments in the first post are poor due to size rrestrictions. I'm quite happy with them actually.
They came out better than compatible shots taken at the same time on my Note 5.
Kinda hilarious that an app can do a better job than the phone manufacturer's own software.
I tried Snap camera too, but A Better Camera does better in terms of instant focus, or just it seemed to me
3rd party cams also do better in WB and details.
The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad
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The camera is absolutely horrendous.
I felt like I went back in time to 2009
I've been using the Samsung Note since it first launched.
The note 5 camera is excellent
The mi mix is profusely bad
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It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.
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It's a matter of perspective. I too ha a note 5 and yes, it's one of the best phone camera's, as well documented through the year the note 5 has been on the market. So, by that logic, nearly every other phone camera will be disappointing.
However, from my unscientific observation of the note 5, Mi Max (not Mi Mix) and Lenovo Phab 2 Pro, the Mix is better than the Max or Phab 2 Pro. Focus and processing is faster and moving targets can be captured with some resemblance to the image photographed.
Could be the SOC (Max and P2P are SD 652 while Mix is SD 821).
I am enjoying the phone, even though the camera is less than really good. I'm willing to trade the 6.4 inch screen and condensed body for the lesser camera.
Just one man's perspective.
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Couldn't agree more on the bolded part as an owner of the Note 5 and returned the Phab 2 Pro after less than a week of ownership. Phab 2 Pro could of been a nice phone if they didn't cut corners in certain areas. Then again its all subjective to ones opinion.
Regarding the camera, wished it was as good as Samsung phones but I've used the 6.4" screen more than I've taken pictures so I'm ok with the traded of.
Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?
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Do you know if this 3rd parry camera is actually capturing a photo and processing it? Or just basically screenshoting the image on the screen like SnapChat does...
Also does it have HDR?
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Definitely Capturing and processing the image. Yes it does HDR - of which you can customise a hell of a lot - exposure values, delays between shots etc..
I've never seen a camera app with as many settings as this actually.
I do photography as a serious hobby.
Mix camera has its strength and weakness. (Native app)
The colour balance is quite accurate most of the time but it definitely love to over saturate.
The auto focus is snappy enough.
The auto exposure is surprisingly good as well.
The low light is terrible but ALL phone sucks at it.
HDR works and they keep the effect to the lower end which I like. While pixel has super good HDR results, sometimes the effect is way over used.
I really like the sharpening level they choose. It feel just right (More on the soft side)
Overall I would say the biggest flaw is that it's unreliable. Occasionally the colours are just way over saturated, but hey that's why I have a camera
To anyone that is rooted and has enabled the Camera2 API (adding persist.camera.HAL3.enabled=1 to build.prop), give ProShot by Rise Up Games a try. Manual Camera by Geeky Devs Studio doesn't work when I mess with the shutter speed or ISO setting but ProShot does. Now both of these are paid but I'm sure you have Play Reward credit spare
I waited for MIUI 9 to see if it would bring an improvement in the camera application but now that I have it, I don't see any improvement. So I decided for now to use Snap Camera. Can someone tell me what would be the best settings to use Snap Camera in the MIX?
Is the Snap Camera app, better then the Google Camera app downloaded from the Oneplus 5 thread?
I don't get impressed by technology much, but the Pixel 2's camera is truly impressive. I think it's better even than what reviews are saying. Every other phone I've owned I've been able to get good photos if I held it right, in the right light, with no movement, and the perfect combination of factors. With the Pixel 2, I find it nearly impossible to take a bad photo. Everything comes out good.
Let's share some of our favorite Pixel 2 shots.
(These obviously are down-scaled so the clarity isn't going to be the same as full-res)
Night time picture of full moon. No edits. Flash off everything else auto.
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I don't get impressed by technology much, but the Pixel 2's camera is truly impressive. I think it's better even than what reviews are saying. Every other phone I've owned I've been able to get good photos if I held it right, in the right light, with no movement, and the perfect combination of factors. With the Pixel 2, I find it nearly impossible to take a bad photo. Everything comes out good.
Let's share some of our favorite Pixel 2 shots.
(These obviously are down-scaled so the clarity isn't going to be the same as full-res)
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Some lovely photos dude! My sentiments too, really love this phone and the camera capabilities. It's only going to get better with the visual core and machine learning for portrait shots.
Agreed
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Some lovely photos dude! My sentiments too, really love this phone and the camera capabilities. It's only going to get better with the visual core and machine learning for portrait shots.
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Same with yours, and probably similarly I didn't set out to take photos, I was just out and around and snapped what I saw.
This was a very low light environment but the detail it retains in the pine needles is incredible.
Direct linking is not working I guess.
The last two I played around with the editing options in the GPhoto app.
The rum and coke makes a good wallpaper.
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Some lovely photos dude! My sentiments too, really love this phone and the camera capabilities. It's only going to get better with the visual core and machine learning for portrait shots.
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great shots :good:
hrd+ mode was on or off?
have you tuned those pics using snapseed etc ?
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great shots :good:
hrd+ mode was on or off?
have you tuned those pics using snapseed etc ?
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Thanks! HDR+ was on on all of them by default. Got some truly amazing ones as well as those that day, was such an amazing backdrop. All are non-edited and I didn't use Snapseed.
Also I've only just discovered HDR Enhanced and HDR+ are two separate modes, still a little confused as to the difference, as I know HDR Enhanced does take longer to process. I've tried googling it but read a lot of conflicting information. So would be ace if someone who knew what they were talking about could explain the difference between them.
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Thanks! HDR+ was on on all of them by default. Got some truly amazing ones as well as those that day, was such an amazing backdrop. All are non-edited and I didn't use Snapseed.
Also I've only just discovered HDR Enhanced and HDR+ are two separate modes, still a little confused as to the difference, as I know HDR Enhanced does take longer to process. I've tried googling it but read a lot of conflicting information. So would be ace if someone who knew what they were talking about could explain the difference between them.
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HDR+ = auto HDR. App will decide whether HDR is needed or not based on the situation.
HDR enhanced= HDR always on.
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My only complaint is the Noise and artifacts that it has. But I have yet to have a good phone that does well on that front. I think it is amazing what they are able to do with mostly software.
Just starting to realize how the camera in general has consistancy as well as always being snappy.
Also found that the selfie camera is actually usable. High Dynamic Range is awesome!
Portrait Mode is okay but looking closely shows mishaps around the edges of things, ears etc. But. Considering that [emoji624] mode works on both cameras as well as working with software as the main supplier of quality I'm really impressed. The Pixel 2 is starting to grow on me. And I've had both G6, S8, S7, S6, HTC 10, 6P, MI 5s pixel port, MI Mix 2.
I've uploaded some Pixel 2 photos from Berlin and Prague. Camera still amazing. Most of the photos were taken with HDR+ Enhanced (I've stopped using HDR+ after the first 1 or 2 days). (I took 1400 photos/videos in 2 weeks with the Pixel 2 and Nexus 6P).
Honestly, anyone who had a Nexus 5X, 6P, Pixel 1 shouldn't be really impressed with photo quality, as this HDR+ quality was already great since the Nexus 5 2013 was released and the easy-detail, and the resolution quality is more or less the same since the Nexus 5X/6P (I haven't used the N6).
Now the focus speed, HDR+ processing speed, camera launch speed, capture speed, video quality and stabilization, etc etc. Those are other things that really improved in each device upgrade IMO.
Pixel 2 samples:
https://imgur.com/a/5NNDB
Nexus 6P/5X samples:
https://imgur.com/a/TwJwd
Nexus 5 (2013) samples:
[The old 5 also had great quality, but the MP difference is quite noticeable compared to 5X/6P/Pixel/Pixel 2. That HDR+ camera was IMO still superb for 2013/2014/2015 years before the 5X/6P and other smartphones were released, I honestly had to sell a Z5 Compact because I was missing the Nexus 5 camera]
https://imgur.com/a/TEPCc
I didn't want to start a new thread.......can anyone comment on these (P1 vs P2). Notice that ISO on P1 is much higher and yet images look the same and in some when you zoom in Pixel 1 is less blurry and just a better quality overall
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FTyfRvJHxWAx38e93
nice shots @duckstardeluxe
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My beautiful wife. Love the photo quality, too!
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I didn't want to start a new thread.......can anyone comment on these (P1 vs P2). Notice that ISO on P1 is much higher and yet images look the same and in some when you zoom in Pixel 1 is less blurry and just a better quality overall
https://photos.app.goo.gl/FTyfRvJHxWAx38e93
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I dont see much difference. I even prefer pixel 1 photos in there so it make me wonder why so much praise and hype for camera of pixel 2 when its not much different to last generation pixel.
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You have a lovely wife
Our Chihuahua. HDR+ Enhanced. No flash. No edits.
I did zoom in and take screenshot.
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I dont see much difference. I even prefer pixel 1 photos in there so it make me wonder why so much praise and hype for camera of pixel 2 when its not much different to last generation pixel.
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You have a lovely wife
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I ordered a replacement to see if my Pixel 2 is defective. Most indoor pictures I take with back camera come out better on Pixel 1
Made an album with the first two weeks of using the camera capabilities of the Pixel 2 https://photos.app.goo.gl/JCobMNrB58ZqlAQg2
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