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All current Note users, anyone here can tell me if any of the currently released Note's have NFC? Also read a spec sheet somewhere stating it to be optional, any chance we can get this as an add-on accessory?
I'm also keen to find this out. The UK devices have NFC listed as 'optional' which doesn't really reveal anything useful. Can anyone who has one identify whether the capability is there but not enabled or just not present? It would be nice to think that the devs here could enable it if it was available.
NFC: Optional
It will be supported by a connection through the micoUSB *sigh*
However, the Korean models will get internal NFC and LTE (4G) support. I was going to hold out for that model but aterwards I learned they will not have the Exynos but instead a Snapdragon (Qualcomm S3) chip instead.
I prefer an ARM chip (TI OMAP, Samsung in-house, ST-Ericsson, Nvidia Tegra) rather than Qualcomm = usually more devices, better performance, less battery drain, fewer driver issues, possible to recylce drivers from one device to another.
Well,
the other thread is having discussion mainly about the Snapdragon 800 version, but since we Europeans can't have it, it is better to have the discussion about the Exynos models here.
Do you think Heterogeneous Multi-Processing Capability will be implemented in the Note 10.1 2014?
http://youtu.be/fLrSTJECVaU
http://youtu.be/8LNPxExkLMo
http://youtu.be/1t-6jqhELVk
The wifi only model will be exynos based. I live in the US and only want the exynos version.
Why do you think that we (Europeans) won't get the Snapdragon 800 version?
In Europe
WiFi = Exynos
LTE = Snapdragon 800
Live4Racing said:
In Europe
WiFi = Exynos
LTE = Snapdragon 800
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Isn't that true everywhere?
Speaking of the Exynos version. How does the community support for those devices stack up against their snapdragon
siblings (thinking of s4 and so on)?
Aletheia said:
Isn't that true everywhere?
Speaking of the Exynos version. How does the community support for those devices stack up against their snapdragon
siblings (thinking of s4 and so on)?
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from what i have read and heard, the snapdragon siblings seem to have much more dev support than the exynos ones - that being said, with the new note 10.1, we might be able to expect some pretty damn good dev support so long as the rumors/claims about HMP being fixed are true. i think the biggest downfall of the previous octa chips is that they either use all 4 A15 chips or all 4 A7 chips, not a combination of them or anything else - the cache translation function is broken (i think thats what it is called... i may be wrong on the name).
but i think if they have fixed it, and if the new note actually offers HMP, then there should be some good dev support i would suspect - not everyone wants to pay for an extra contract for their device when they can just tether or hotspot to their phone, which they always have on them anyways.
On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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Make a "note" to look into a program called Tablet Talk.
You can make any tablet into a sms/mms and phone... so worth the price.
Itchiee said:
Make a "note" to look into a program called Tablet Talk.
You can make any tablet into a sms/mms and phone... so worth the price.
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Have definitely used and like tablet SMS on my new nexus but I just find it a hassle as the tablet always needs to be tethered anyways so I need my phone with me regardless. The idea behind having full talk and text on the tablet is so I don't absolutely need both devices with me all the time... I guess with a tablet that has 3g or late then you don't really need the phone with you anymore, and I can see an upside of this setup.... You can use just one phone number and have it accessible on two devices...just kind of seems ****ty to basically be forced into having two separate phone bills each month though if the option could have very easily been there to have the talk and text directly active and working on the tablet. I wonder if there is some sort of mod or hack that could be used to gain this functionality considering that on a 3g or late device the rradios are all there to support this.....
asaqwert said:
On that *note* (pun intended) does anyone know if, on this new device, the 3g and lte models will have phone and sms functionality via headset of some sort? i can't imagine why would would purposely disable this feature, as the device has the proper radios etc for it. and if it is somehow disabled, does anyone know if that is something that can be brought over to the device with a new rom/kernel or other mod?
just my 3 cents, yea that's right, 3 cents....
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In all review that i saw, all tablet can phone and send sms/mms.
There are the apps for this.
So, i will buy the 4G version because i want the Snap800, and because it will have a lot of support then Exynos base...
Guich said:
In all review that i saw, all tablet can phone and send sms/mms.
There are the apps for this.
So, i will buy the 4G version because i want the Snap800, and because it will have a lot of support then Exynos base...
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what is exepcted price difference between Wifi only and 4g
what is the support that makes u willing to spend that difference ! is it from Samsung it self, or free developers !
will it be in just Applications ! or the Android system updates running !
this is going to be my first device,and i am already highly considering the 3G version as i dont have smartphone, and hope i can use the note (beside its main functions) as a smart phone + to connect to net when no wifi around or on the road , with headset .. but i will wait till after release to see reviews about that .
if the 3g not making call as a phone, i will get wifi, and for internet connection i will use usb flash modem (by OTG adaptor)
Dr_Muhsin said:
what is exepcted price difference between Wifi only and 4g
i dont have smartphone, and hope i can use the note (beside its main functions) as a smart phone + to connect to net when no wifi around or on the road , with headset .. but i will wait till after release to see reviews about that .
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The price difference between the wifi only and 4g models can be $100-$200 for 16GB models, and sometimes you can't even find the higher capacity models in 4g or wifi. It can be a hassle trying to find the model you want. Data plans for cell based tablets can be ridiculously high for 4g models so have a carrier in mind if you want to go the 4g route. Keep in mind Im using 4g here as a generic term for cell based tablet (4g/3g/lte). Im sticking with getting a wifi based note 10.1 this time around because I hope to use it for content creation and media playback.
Kernel source
So, is this good news as far as dev support for the Exynos versions is concerned?
sammobile.com/2013/09/20/samsung-releases-kernel-source-for-galaxy-note-10-1-2014-edition
In john lewis web its only left the white wifi version. I hope that its because they are receiving next week the new one
'Note' that the tablet with not ship with HMP/GTS out-of-box.
They were recently finalized. They will ship with cluster migration/core migration logic initially. Later there will be some kernel/patch upgrade to have HMP enabled.
CLARiiON said:
'Note' that the tablet with not ship with HMP/GTS out-of-box.
They were recently finalized. They will ship with cluster migration/core migration logic initially. Later there will be some kernel/patch upgrade to have HMP enabled.
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i was reading that in the octa-core you could only have 4 cores being used at a time; and that the lower ghz quad cores were to save power.
but if android's cpu governor will fluctuate the cpu speed up and down based on the workload, what's the diff?
doesn't that make the other 4 cores useless?
so in effect a 2.3Ghz quad-core vs a 2.4Ghz quad+1.7Ghz quad would have the same performance??
now if you can use more than 4 cores at a time that's a different story.
am i way off base here?
-Tony
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am i way off base here?
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A bit. The architecture of each 4-core chip is very different; designed for different tasks. The weaker core is A7 while the more powerful core is A15. Your comparison is kind of like cylinder deactivation in a car's engine. In a V8, all eight cylinders are identical and they are shut off in pairs to save fuel and match performance to load. Think of Octa as a discreet 4 cylinder engine (A7) alongside a V8 engine (A15). Each, to your point, can be controlled so any or all of their cores can be active at a given time. The 4 cylinder's barely able to reach the low point of the V8's performance curve. Similarly, the V8 can't reach the 4 cylinders lower efficiency range. 85% of apps don't leave the A7 core so that's why it's more efficient than just shutting off some of the A15's cores; especially true at idle. It's actually a pretty neat approach to performance vs. efficiency.
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A bit. The architecture of each 4-core chip is very different; designed for different tasks. The weaker core is A7 while the more powerful core is A15. Your comparison is kind of like cylinder deactivation in a car's engine. In a V8, all eight cylinders are identical and they are shut off in pairs to save fuel and match performance to load. Think of Octa as a discreet 4 cylinder engine (A7) alongside a V8 engine (A15). Each, to your point, can be controlled so any or all of their cores can be active at a given time. The 4 cylinder's barely able to reach the low point of the V8's performance curve. Similarly, the V8 can't reach the 4 cylinders lower efficiency range. 85% of apps don't leave the A7 core so that's why it's more efficient than just shutting off some of the A15's cores; especially true at idle. It's actually a pretty neat approach to performance vs. efficiency.
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FWIW the 2.4 vs 2.3 was a typo. Should be the same number there.
I understand where you're coming from, thanks for that. I just never heard it explained that a A7 at Clock X was different power usage wise than a A15 at Clock X.
If it is, so be it, that answers that. Would be interesting to see real world benchmarks behind it.
-Tony
The difference isn't as big this year compared to years past, they are both similar in performance. That said, I'm leaning towards the Exynos just because of how much of a pain in the butt it was with rooting the Snapdragon model. Exynos was easy to root but the Snapdragon only got root because of a leak and it was unstable and laggy.
You are asking which one is better for a phone that isn't out for another 2.5 weeks?? And you can't say they are similar in performance based purely on a spec sheet! The spec sheet shows the exynos able to do 120fps at 4k, but it can't because the camera itself cannot perform at that speed so its still limited to 30 despite the exynos chip being capable of it.
Both SoCs and GPUs are too new to make any assumptions. Here's an article discussing S-835 on a Qualcomm reference device. It underperforms S-820/1 in certain benchmarks. http://www.anandtech.com/show/11201/qualcomm-snapdragon-835-performance-preview. Architecturally the new Mali GPU is superior to Adreno. What features Samsung implements and how they implement them is a wild card. When Samsung uses two SoCs in the same phone they typically tune them to be comparable as was the case in the S7-series even though Exynos did seem to have an edge. To an average user they wouldn't be able to tell the difference between an Exynos and S-835 equipped S8.
I've said this a couple of times in other threads. Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip. Until its in people's hands it's dangerous to assume previous bootloader exploits will work the same way they did previously.
One difference that the Exynos seems to have but not sure how many people will notice. On the Samsung website and a couple other carrier sites state that the device the UK is getting only has Bluetooth 4 and not the newer Bluetooth 5 that the US and snapdragon market are getting. Wonder what other differences there are that aren't being advertised.
International versions getting a different version of BT doesn't make a lot of sense. They hyped being able to support two headphones connected at the same time during the unveiling which requires BT 5.0. I don't think they would have done that if the majority of the world wasn't receiving the feature. Carrier websites aren't particularly accurate.
You may have missed that part where I said it's shown on the Samsung website too. In the U.K it's showing as BT 4.2 LE. It's possible that the new BT 5.0 isn't compatible with the Exynos chip for some reason or just not optomised to work well together yet. Also that launch was predominantly geared towards the US market as almost no information regarding the international versions was spoken about on stage.
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I am pretty certain thats a mistake, there are mistakes over the web on the phone specifications. The global S8 specifications say Bluetooth 5.0
"Exynos 8895 has new chip-based h/w security never before seen in an Exynos chip."
What EXACTLY does that mean. Because whenever I read or hear term, "security" it raises eyebrows. This is umbrella terminology for those in a state of fear requiring reassurance, but to those who don't carry around such weighted down impedances it would be interesting to know exactly what is implied here.
Yeah the specs are all over the place at the moment. I'm putting a tiny bit more weight behind what is on the official Samsung UK website that my pre-order leads me to which is saying it has BT 4.2. But one UK carrier (EE) is claiming it has Snapdragon 835, and another carrier (Three) is claiming BT 4.0 so nobody seems to be on the same page in the UK. Anyway I'll know for certain next week as my pre-order is arriving 20 April.
"The Samsung Galaxy S8 is the first of its kind in the United States, and it is the first of its kind in the world Up to 24 bands worldwide. Samsung offers with the new S-Class for the first time in a smartphone Bluetooth 5.0, which is integrated both in the version with Snapdragon 835, as well as with Exynos 8895-SOC."
https://www.notebookcheck.com/Samsung-Galaxy-S8-im-Hands-On-Potente-Hardware-smarte-Software.209358.0.html
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iR4AzmvQEeU&lc=z120ijfw5zaytfvt123hgxdxbqnwhfcri04.1491848744959473
The Exynos is roughly 10% faster in single core and multi-core than the snapdragon (Geekbench, above video). You would hardly see a difference in most day to day use as both are pretty fast.
But the Exynos 'Mid Power Saver' which downclocks the CPU gives you the same performance as the the 835, so the exynos would obviously be better as you can have the same performance with more battery life (assuming it does save power)
My Exynos Edge 7 plus did not suffer any slow down over time while Snapdragon version crawled to a stop
I've had my Snapdragon S7 Edge since they were first released. My phone is still working great. It has nowhere crawled to a stop. Maybe for some reason some of the Snapdragon S7's slowed down but mine certainly hasn't. As a matter of fact the only reason I'm getting a S8 is because my S7 Edge has an over sensitive screen. If that wasn't an issue I would keep it for at least another year. There is no way I would do that if it slowed to a crawl.
Exynos Should always be in theory. It's in house processor and Samsung can do what they want and how they want with the software. So it should always be better optimized as you know exactly every aspect of the hardware.
Despite the fact Leeco is no more, I'm thinking about buying a Le Pro 3 as I feel it is a great terminal. However, many version with many different chipsets exist, so I'm quite confused.
The Snapdragon 821 version is very rare and costs about double than the "AI Edition" with the deca core Helio X20 chipset from MediaTek. I've seen benchmarks and the 821 is a better chipset, but the difference doesn't seem enough to justify this overlooking the AI edition.
I don't really care about the AI camera, but I was just wondering... using three different CPUs depending on the workload, isn't the Helio phone supposed to have better battery life? Is the x720 version really THAT better? Do the x65X versions lag? Are the x72X versions beasts?
There's no development on the Mediatek variants. I have no idea how they fare in the battery department, but my x727 (SD821) can hit 9-10hrs SOT using mobile data only. When playing games this is reduced to around 4-6hrs - depending on which one. A developer has ported Treble to the x72x models, so it would be the reasonable choice. It's only a matter of time until Android P images will work.
Mediaket processors are VERY battery hungry. Only for that reason I consider it's not a good choice.
Then is the issue of NULL development because Mediatek doesn't let anyone access its source codes. You'll get stuck in stock rom (an ancient 6.0 MM) and if you are not an english/chinese speaking person it's hard to find a proper localization.
To add to what everyone else said: mediatek processors get too hot which will give the phone a short lifespan.
Thank you for your answers! So, even the Helio X20, with its 10 cores, does not seem to be able to drain and heat less. Didn't know MTK are closed source too. Guess I'll try and get my hands on a x720 then. Thanks again!
Also what updated specs can we expect if any apart from SD 855 processor from the original Mi Mix 3 ?
Thanks kindly.......
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Also what updated specs can we expect if any apart from SD 855 processor from the original Mi Mix 3 ?
Thanks kindly.......
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Q1 2019 I hope ...
The only new specs we can be reasonably sure of are that it'll have a separate modem chip, multiple large antenna modules, shorter battery life, and a weak (if any) 5G signal inside buildings.
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The only new specs we can be reasonably sure of are that it'll have a separate modem chip, multiple large antenna modules, shorter battery life, and a weak (if any) 5G signal inside buildings.
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If it comes with an 855 it will be better battery life
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If it comes with an 855 it will be better battery life
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The processor will consume less, but overall I suspect it'll be significantly shorter because of the extra 5G hardware required, it may also possibly be a smaller battery to accommodate the 5G space requirements.
Besides the guess 5G will consume more power.
I am not completely in the picture what else will be possible with 5G.
Can I use it for something like "near communication" (saw a video by xiaomi connecting with a vacuum robot)?
And even more important!
The 5G standard will maybe finalized in 2019 or 2020 ...
How likely is it I only get rudimentary support for the "final commercial 5G network"?
Also read somewhere the battery will be upgraded since the cnc parts have bigger recess... But can't find my source right now ...
Edit: I also read the mix 3 only features 3200mAh? ... Instead of 4000mAh?
Thought I'd give y'all my wishlist of what specs get bumped with the 5G version:-
UFS 3.0
Battery bumped up to at least 3,500mah
8gb RAM as the base version, no 6gb
USB 3.1 if not already with the Mix 3
(GSMArena reports the current Mix 3 as 1.0 not sure how accurate that is)
Stereo speakers would be nice to add the the immersion of a full screen display
However, as I said the above is just a wishlist unfortunately & I do believe it's very possible we'll get the Snapdragon 855 & that's it.
Going to wait and see if the sd855 is worth the extra price increase, otherwise ill just buy the sd845 version which will probably be on sale at that point
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Going to wait and see if the sd855 is worth the extra price increase, otherwise ill just buy the sd845 version which will probably be on sale at that point
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There was an article from someone saying that the SD855 chips are so much more expensive that the Galaxy S10 is expected to be 1200 retail for the base model. If that's the case, I would expect the 5G Mix 3 model to be almost 900 for an 8/256 model.
I assume this is the "around about" score we'll see from Xiaomi's equipped with the 855
https://www.phonearena.com/news/xia...ker-snapdragon-855-phones-benchmarks_id112533
However we all know benchmarks don't translate into real word usage so.