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Which model to buy for full freedom

I am on ATT but I am tired of ATT BS and locked bootloaders and ROM work arounds. I want to be able to use international ROMs. Plus I want to have my ATT LTE.
I want freedom to have me device my way and with any carrier sim. With this said money is not the issue. So what do I buy. If I am reading things right the answer is a T-Mobile Version and then cancel the contract and put my ATT SIM in the Note 3.
Can anyone confirm or advise?

Want your cake (international version) and eat it too (non-international LTE) AND complain because getting both requires a bit of work? LOL
No carrier is going to let you have full freedom w/o you going behind their back (i.e. unlocking bootloaders and custom ROMs)

weirdingway said:
Want your cake (international version) and eat it too (non-international LTE) AND complain because getting both requires a bit of work? LOL
No carrier is going to let you have full freedom w/o you going behind their back (i.e. unlocking bootloaders and custom ROMs)
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The T-Mobile appears to have an unlocked Bootloader and unlocked if paid in full. So that sounds like a clean unit to me. That I am free to load Intonational ROM's etc...

If you don't mind 32GB only of internal storage, which effectively translates into ~24GB of user available space - T-Mobile GN3 is your best bet. Pay in full, to get it unlocked and put your AT&T sim into it. Then you will have unlocked bootloader, no carrier network lock, no regional lock and it will work with AT&T LTE. You will be able to use international roms as well, as long as they're not for the octa-core version. You will also be able to flash AT&T modem to it, if you wish.

I just got the T-Mobile Note 3 from Negri (unlocked) It is $689 with no tax here in CA

boilerkim said:
I just got the T-Mobile Note 3 from Negri (unlocked) It is $689 with no tax here in CA
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Wait, how did you get yours already?

Apo11on said:
If you don't mind 32GB only of internal storage, which effectively translates into ~24GB of user available space - T-Mobile GN3 is your best bet. Pay in full, to get it unlocked and put your AT&T sim into it. Then you will have unlocked bootloader, no carrier network lock, no regional lock and it will work with AT&T LTE. You will be able to use international roms as well, as long as they're not for the octa-core version. You will also be able to flash AT&T modem to it, if you wish.
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I want to order a Note 3 from Negri to use it with AIO. I would like to have the unlocked bootloader but I'm worry about something I read in another thread here (Note 3 Carrier Selection):
"The main difference between the 1700 band being used by AT&T or TMO device is that AT&T version will use that 1700 for LTE signals where as Tmobile variant will use the 1700 for their HSPA signals."
What if ATT is using 1700 in my area for LTE? I will have the unlocked bootloader and no LTE? Where can I find what frequencies ATT is using in what areas? I made some searches without luck.
Any help will be appreciated.

T-Mobile note3 bootloader appears to be locked. Can't flash CWM

jmarquesh said:
I want to order a Note 3 from Negri to use it with AIO. I would like to have the unlocked bootloader but I'm worry about something I read in another thread here (Note 3 Carrier Selection):
"The main difference between the 1700 band being used by AT&T or TMO device is that AT&T version will use that 1700 for LTE signals where as Tmobile variant will use the 1700 for their HSPA signals."
What if ATT is using 1700 in my area for LTE? I will have the unlocked bootloader and no LTE? Where can I find what frequencies ATT is using in what areas? I made some searches without luck.
Any help will be appreciated.
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Some search without luck? You've got to be kidding me! I have personally posted AT&T's LTE frequencies in at least 3 threads in Note 3 forums. It takes about 2 seconds to google a wiki page with LTE frequencies by carrier worldwide...FYI AT&T operates it's LTE network on both bands 4 and 17 in most areas. However, I don't understand why do you think there is a problem with AT&T & T-Mo using the same frequency in a certain area. There are 2 absolutely independent carriers, each with their own towers and your phone will get service from a carrier, based on whatever SIM you put in. What difference do these overlapping frequencies make to you?

eclipxe said:
T-Mobile note3 bootloader appears to be locked. Can't flash CWM
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Do you have a source for this?
serialtoon said:
Wait, how did you get yours already?
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I didn't, just ordered it

Apo11on said:
Some search without luck? You've got to be kidding me! I have personally posted AT&T's LTE frequencies in at least 3 threads in Note 3 forums. It takes about 2 seconds to google a wiki page with LTE frequencies by carrier worldwide...FYI AT&T operates it's LTE network on both bands 4 and 17 in most areas. However, I don't understand why do you think there is a problem with AT&T & T-Mo using the same frequency in a certain area. There are 2 absolutely independent carriers, each with their own towers and your phone will get service from a carrier, based on whatever SIM you put in. What difference do these overlapping frequencies make to you?
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I did find information about the frequencies used by each carrier. What I was looking for is what frequency is used in a given area, say near my house. Maybe that is not the right question since I'm new to all this problem.
In another thread (Note 3 Carrier Selection) people is recommending to buy the TMobile version over the ATT version even if you want to use it with ATT (AIO). Because the bootloader in TMo may be unlocked. But then cheols46 posted this:
The main difference between the 1700 band being used by AT&T or TMO device is that AT&T version will use that 1700 for LTE signals where as Tmobile variant will use the 1700 for their HSPA signals.
I have 2 HTC One from each carrier and while AT&T version will pick up LTE at my house with the AT&T sim card in it, while T-mobile version only picks up HSPA+ with the AT&T sim card. It really depends on the tower frequency you use in your area.
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I want to know if that will happen to me if I buy the TMo version to use it with AIO.
Thanks in advance for any help you may provide.

That guy is getting only HSPA with AT&T SIM card because his APN for AT&T LTE is not configured correctly on the T-Mo phone. He probably didnt change the APN settings, or maybe T-Mo stock firmware doesnt even have those settings, since the network didnt support LTE when that phone was bought?
If your phone is configured correctly, and you use AT&T SIM you should get LTE service.

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That guy is getting only HSPA with AT&T SIM card because his APN for AT&T LTE is not configured correctly on the T-Mo phone. He probably didnt change the APN settings, or maybe T-Mo stock firmware doesnt even have those settings, since the network didnt support LTE when that phone was bought?
If your phone is configured correctly, and you use AT&T SIM you should get LTE service.
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Will you advice to buy the sim unlocked TMo version instead of the ATT version, because of the unlocked bootloader and the support for TMo bands (again this is just something I read)? I'm planning to use it with AIO but after spending all that money it will be good to know that I could use it with TMo if I wanted.

jmarquesh said:
Will you advice to buy the sim unlocked TMo version instead of the ATT version, because of the unlocked bootloader and the support for TMo bands (again this is just something I read)? I'm planning to use it with AIO but after spending all that money it will be good to know that I could use it with TMo if I wanted.
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If i were you I'd wait a week or two, until other people do it, and you can find enough feedback on how well things work. The question, you should be asking yourself is not a choice between T-Mo vs AT&T version, but T-Mo vs international LTE version with unlocked bootloader, because getting AT&T one with locked bootloader will severely cripple what you can do with your phone. Keep in mind if you have any LTE version with unlocked bootloader you should be able to flash AT&T modem onto it, once it becomes available, regardless of what LTE bands it currently supports.

Apo11on said:
If i were you I'd wait a week or two, until other people do it, and you can find enough feedback on how well things work. The question, you should be asking yourself is not a choice between T-Mo vs AT&T version, but T-Mo vs international LTE version with unlocked bootloader, because getting AT&T one with locked bootloader will severely cripple what you can do with your phone. Keep in mind if you have any LTE version with unlocked bootloader you should be able to flash AT&T modem onto it, once it becomes available, regardless of what LTE bands it currently supports.
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I'm sort of forced to get an AT&T version (have unlimited data) but considering taking chance that someone will figure out N3 bootloader unlock for future versions of AT&T roms. Is that wise?

sonicthoughts said:
I'm sort of forced to get an AT&T version (have unlimited data) but considering taking chance that someone will figure out N3 bootloader unlock for future versions of AT&T roms. Is that wise?
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I'll give you a hint: http://www.androidoverload.com/bootloader-bounty-exceeds-5k-verizonatt-samsung-galaxy-s4/

boilerkim said:
I just got the T-Mobile Note 3 from Negri (unlocked) It is $689 with no tax here in CA
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Negri still shows preorder, did they start to ship phones?
And by the way it's 669.5 with code ne20offcart

Is it likely the V20 will get decent Dev support/activity/ROMs?

So I've been looking through the V10 Android Development threads and wondering what it's been like on XDA with the V10 in terms of Dev support/ROMs/ etc. I've asked over there for feedback. Doesn't look like there's been much interest in the V10 phone from Devs? Is there a reason why? Locked bootloader? No "sources" released? Is there a CM ROM available anywhere?
Reason I ask is because I'm seriously considering getting a V20 which looks like a great phone and I've always had Nexus phones in the past. Currently rocking a Nexus 5 which I still love. The V20 looks to me almost like a larger more modern and advanced Nexus 5 (both made by LG). The G5 I saw in a phone shop and it really didn't appeal to me (build quality seemed poor). What's the likelihood the V20 will get decent Dev support? Is there anything that will make it more likely?

What specifically was wrong with the G5 build? My wife has the phone and we both think its pretty nice. At least as good as the Galaxy it replaced and probably a bit nicer.
I'm also interested in your original question. How much support will this phone get and will the boat loader enforce secure boot?
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.

lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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v10 was abandoned in short order after the bootlooping SNAFU.
This phone is starting life too expensive, unique snowflake hardware SKUs for every US carrier, And more than likely a locked bootloader (hopefully it can be unlocked). All those combined are a development death sentence. Assume no development, and be happy if there is any. Combined they make people who can develop firmware not even want to bother.
Remember the v20 has been on sale in Korea for a month now. How many buyers/users even post on XDA about it? Basically none AFAIK. There should already be a development charge, and maybe a root worked out or at least actively being tested. And there isn't any, not that has been made public.
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Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Considering there is an unlocked US model that seems will work for all carriers, I would think that would be the one that gets development and is quite conducive to it.
No development is getting slowed down because a phone is $800. That's the new norm if you want this high quality of a phone. Pixel will get tons of development, Note 7 was actually going really well despite the $864 price, and many others will too. The fact that it's LG and people overlook the brand continually will be the primary reason for lack of development, if that's the case.
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Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
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lol dude we get it. every post of yours is the phone is too expensive and there's carrier versions of it... like every. other. phone. if you're so upset by price and carrier versions, why are you looming around these forums? go buy a 300 dollar phone and stop trying to sell everyone else on your opinion.
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Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one. Until you see and know what having a unified hardware platform (like Nexus) does to accelerate development you don't get how screwed over you are by unique snowflake SKUs.
I too was excited for the v20, but LG fumbled the ball. in 3 months when the price comes down from the early-adopter surcharge (hopefully) I'll think about getting one. Depending on what I see.

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Say what?
The unlocked version WILL NOT WORK on Sprint at all (the model # and IMEI range will be completely wrong to pass their whitelist)...and unless you have an already active SIM, your new VZW SIM will not activate as the model number is wrong and your account will show "unauthorised device". This of course sets aside the problems of radio bands that are missing or wrong for your specific carrier. So at best you'll have poor service if any depending on where you are and the tower deployments in the areas you travel. Also we don't know how updates will be handled on the unlocked device--take for example recent Nexus devices that got carrier fed updates rather than direct from Google (although that at least was an option if you ADB'd factory images) Every carrier is a unique SKU with unique firmware. You may never get updates even from LG (it is a serious possibility and risk).
I hope you have lots of cash hoarded when your $800 gamble, that it will work on all carriers, screws you over
The ZTE Axon 7 could be a much better device with much more development potential that is 50% the frickin price. "$800 the new normal" indeed. Buy an iPhone 7 for less cash, not an iPhone wannabe with less long-range OS support and let's be honest worse standby battery life. Because yea let's be honest, in 12-18 months LG will quit updating the device while in 3 years the iPhone7 will probably still be getting OS updates.
Because folks ask questions...and get tremendously wrong answers. Like "the unlocked version that will work on all carriers". Echo chambers benefit no one.
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Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Um, the unlocked version has all the Verizon bands and is completely compatible with all carriers from everything I have read.
The iPhone 7 is not a valid comparison at all. Different type of phone. iPhone 7+ model with more than 32GB of storage... That'll set you back over $800, like these other phones.
You're clearly an Apple lover so I'm not going to bother continuing to argue. LG V20 >>>>>> iPhone 7 that it's absurd to even compare, for me. I'd be really unhappy with that iPhone because it still lacks most qualities I desire in a phone. To each their own.
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Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.

The unlocked version also doesn't have AT&T's bands 29 & 30 and T-Mobile's Band 66. Personally, I plan to get the AT&T V20. I don't mind the (expected) lack of updates so much as long the current version doesn't have glaring bugs. For AT&T you also need a branded device for VoLTE.
I currently have the Nexus 5 and Google left it with major bugs for a few months (one of them was broken car Bluetooth). So my experience with Google wasn't that great. The Pixel devices look like bad iPhone and Galaxy copies.

Skripka said:
Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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PsiPhiDan said:
Interesting. I'll look into it more.
I honestly don't care about development anyway - I left my Note 5 alone and loved it. I'm planning to do the same with the V20, but I do hope there is some development eventually just for fun.
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The development is what I find cool. It is why I keep ending up being a tester for ROM teams (did it on Note 2, and still on Nexus 6)....but Android generally is getting really f'ing annoying on some of this crap. SafetyNet for example isn't just a framework for AndroidPay and stopping you from using your phone from paying for a burger due to Xposed, corporate email servers are now using it....so if you modify your firmware in any unauthorised way your employer may well not let your phone talk to your work email servers anymore (one of mi amigos on Team Twisted has this problem-nothing we can do). Google seems to be wanting to go iron-fisted in security and sacrificing FOSS development for "security".
There was a post on r/Android tonight outlining some of the more obscure technical problems, and outright annoyances for developers as well in the current Android landscape generally: https://www.reddit.com/r/Android/comments/56qr4z/why_i_am_giving_up_on_android/
FWIW....he mentions specifically kernel 3.18; that kernel is not only used by the upcoming Pixel but according to the posted v20 system dump, a few subforums down, is the kernel v20 is going to ship with as well. When that OP is speaking about shipping a brand new device in Q4 2016 with a 2-year-old+ kernel ceasing upstream patching in 2-3 months as being insanity.....he's not just talking Pixel, he's also talking v20.
I wouldn't borderline rant on it unless the device had a ton of potential...which v20 especially does, and seeing LG squander it with shortsighted planned obsolescence is frustrating.

Personally I am okay with not too many roms. All I need is root for Viper and a few other apps.

I really think that I'll get this phone to replace my G4. I had to come to terms that the bootloader will never be unlocked on all models except T-Mobile and certain international models. I've also accepted that there will be absolutely zero dev support.
Don't fault me for being pessimistic. Being optimistic with the possibility of Dev support and observing how the G4, G5 and V10 turned out is plain foolish.

Skripka said:
Then you clearly need to read more, not repeat flat out wrong info. The unlocked version is missing IIRC 1 Verizon CDMA 3G band (of 3), it is missing IIRC at least 1 WCDMA bands (out of 2 or 3), and it is missing IIRC 2+ LTE bands (Of 6 or 7 OTTOMH). The FCC filings showing that are available online. The same way that the unlocked version is similarly missing Spring CDMA/WCDMA/LTE bands. The radio support IS NOT THE SAME between VS995 and US996 and S997. It is NOT "completely compatible"-it is only sort of compatible....presuming it gets past carrier whitelisting of the IMEI and model number which on Sprint it 100% WILL NOT DO, and on Verizon it probably will presuming you already have a working SIM....then you have other problems to worry about (radio band support and updates).
See:
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFVS995
I'm not an Apple lover at all. I'm fed up with Android OEM shortsighted foolishness.
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Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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EMSpilot said:
Hmm here is a comparison of frequencies between the VS995 and the US996. Seems the US996 covers all the frequencies of the VS995 and some:
This is according to frequencycheck.com.
Frequency Band LG VS995 V20 XLTE LG US996 V20 LTE-A
GSM 850 Yes Yes
GSM 900 (E-GSM) Yes Yes
GSM 1800 (DCS) Yes Yes
GSM 1900 (PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B1 (2100) Yes Yes
UMTS B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
UMTS B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) No Yes
UMTS B5 (850) Yes Yes
UMTS B8 (900 GSM) Yes Yes
LTE B2 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
LTE B3 (1800 +) Yes Yes
LTE B4 (1700/2100 AWS 1) Yes Yes
LTE B5 (850) Yes Yes
LTE B7 (2600) Yes Yes
LTE B12 (700 ac) No Yes
LTE B13 (700 c) Yes Yes
LTE B17 (700 bc) No Yes
LTE B20 (800 DD) Yes Yes
LTE B25 (1900 +) No Yes
CDMA BC0 (800) Yes Yes
CDMA BC1 (1900 PCS) Yes Yes
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Their listing for the VS995 is incorrect/incomplete compared to what the LG Electronics sent to the FCC and has on file. Read and compare, some of their entries are wrong (VS995 does indeed have Band 25), some like Band 66 are left out or missing (VS995 has that too). WCDMA is either seemingly absent although maybe they call that "UTMS". CDMA support is also flawed (should be 850/1900 for VS995 not 800/1900). I don't have easy to call up numbers for US996 ATM, but one way or another-their band support table is incorrect.
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102983
https://apps.fcc.gov/eas/GetApplicationAttachment.html?id=3102984
The phones are not radio band identical.

Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minutes of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
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EMSpilot said:
Yes the US996 is compatible with Verizon. I will have it on their network within 30 minuets of unpacking it from the box.
https://apps.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/repo...n_id=qbzdcULnrRZWOUdXGtJlew==&fcc_id=ZNFUS996
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Please report back once you have it working. I'm very interested in doing this too. I'd love to not get stuck with the bloat.
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There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..

thanks for your expert opinion. nobody will take it seriously, but thanks!
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windozeanti said:
There is ZERO chance of it ever happening.. Avoid LG like a plague..
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Actually, devs that tried supporting Note 7 are now interested in developing for the V20 from the online polls since the note 7 has been officially canceled

Using unlocked v20 on AT&T

Hi guys.
Will I have any band issues if I get the phone unlocked from LG?
Does it have all of the LTE bands for AT&T?
What about getting a t mobile V20 and using it on AT&T?
Thank you.

Probably. I am using a verizon v20 on my tmo sim and it never gets LTE. Just H+. Its a crap phone in that regard.

borisb said:
Hi guys.
Will I have any band issues if I get the phone unlocked from LG?
Does it have all of the LTE bands for AT&T?
What about getting a t mobile V20 and using it on AT&T?
Thank you.
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http://willmyphonework.net
Use this. I recently discovered the site and it has helped me a ton.
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The unlocked V20 (US996) will work on ATT, even though it does not have ALL the bands. I have one on ATT right now and don't have any issues. The missing bands are for newer frequencies being added to support capacity. I live in a metropolitan area so I have good base support. Check this link for details. https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/AzWoD/lg-us996-v20-lte-a

papashex said:
The unlocked V20 (US996) will work on ATT, even though it does not have ALL the bands. I have one on ATT right now and don't have any issues. The missing bands are for newer frequencies being added to support capacity. I live in a metropolitan area so I have good base support. Check this link for details. https://www.frequencycheck.com/models/AzWoD/lg-us996-v20-lte-a
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OK I see. I think I will stay away from the unlocked version.

borisb said:
OK I see. I think I will stay away from the unlocked version.
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To each his/her own. Reading papashex's words is what finally convinced me to get this particular version.
It has the same bands as my S4. US996 is missing Band 33 I believe, well so is my S4. I think I'll be fine.

Which model of LG V20 to choose (variant)

hello guys, im planning to get this phone, used if i can find it for 200$ usd, max. thats my budget, im from venezuela and i came here to ask, which model should i get? which variant? what are the differences and all the variants have the same dev support? thanks for your answer, and if anybody knows where can i get this phone used in good conditions in the USA (i have a friend over there who can send this to me with relatives who are coming next month) thanks.

I can tell you to not buy the H918 TMobile one. It's locked down hard. It seems the unlocked version (US996) it's the one to get at least here in the US. You'll have to verify bands to make sure you can use it there.

My wife and I use the Verizon variant (VS995). We just upgraded from the V10 a couple of weeks ago and have been mostly pleased so far.
Pros:
-carrier unlocked from the start (works with GSM carriers)
-rootable with no anti-rollback mechanism if you want to update
Cons:
-FM radio doesn't work (at least not without some effort from the end user)
-lots of bloatware (can be removed if rooted)
-Bluetooth connectivity is crap (but ROMs are available which may address this)
Hope that helps!

rivethead23 said:
I can tell you to not buy the H918 TMobile one. It's locked down hard. It seems the unlocked version (US996) it's the one to get at least here in the US. You'll have to verify bands to make sure you can use it there.
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yeah im thinking to get the unlocked version, anywhere where i can get it used for a good price? maybe 200$ usd.

rhythm_dx said:
My wife and I use the Verizon variant (VS995). We just upgraded from the V10 a couple of weeks ago and have been mostly pleased so far.
Pros:
-carrier unlocked from the start (works with GSM carriers)
-rootable with no anti-rollback mechanism if you want to update
Cons:
-FM radio doesn't work (at least not without some effort from the end user)
-lots of bloatware (can be removed if rooted)
-Bluetooth connectivity is crap (but ROMs are available which may address this)
Hope that helps!
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Thanks for your reply, isnt the verizon version just cdma thing? we dont have cdma carriers anymore over here.

I made the mistake of buying the H918 without realizing the limits on it. On swappa the H918 is around $200. The unlocked is around $275 - $300 so it's more than you want to spend.

rivethead23 said:
I made the mistake of buying the H918 without realizing the limits on it. On swappa the H918 is around $200. The unlocked is around $275 - $300 so it's more than you want to spend.
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Which limitations? 275$ used?

ramerax said:
Thanks for your reply, isnt the verizon version just cdma thing? we dont have cdma carriers anymore over here.
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Verizon phones are carrier unlocked out of the box and will work on GSM networks, even though they default to CDMA. I've put an AT&T SIM (GSM) into a bone-stock V10 from Verizon and got calls without a problem.

rivethead23 said:
I can tell you to not buy the H918 TMobile one. It's locked down hard. It seems the unlocked version (US996) it's the one to get at least here in the US. You'll have to verify bands to make sure you can use it there.
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Would the H910 be similar to the US996? Where I am located I only can find H910 and H918 but I understand H918 is a bad option if I want to load roms or do anything more custom with it.

Activate Band 71 by Firmware Switch?

Hi there, I'm looking at buying an S10+ on eBay, and I see quite a few from AT&T (unlocked) that don't support Band 71. I'm on T-Mobile, and was wondering if I can install the T-Mobile firmware, since all of the G975U models supposedly support all the US firmwares, correct? If I do install the T-Mobile firmware on one of the AT&T unlocked models, will it activate Band 71? I live in a city and don't really need Band 71, but I do travel frequently and was just recently in an area of Band 71 coverage that my current phone LG G6 couldn't support, so I'm curious.
I'm using the following page for reference on which firmwares/phone models support which bands:
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-plus-model-number-sm-g975-differences/
Thanks!

gwbyrd said:
Hi there, I'm looking at buying an S10+ on eBay, and I see quite a few from AT&T (unlocked) that don't support Band 71. I'm on T-Mobile, and was wondering if I can install the T-Mobile firmware, since all of the G975U models supposedly support all the US firmwares, correct? If I do install the T-Mobile firmware on one of the AT&T unlocked models, will it activate Band 71? I live in a city and don't really need Band 71, but I do travel frequently and was just recently in an area of Band 71 coverage that my current phone LG G6 couldn't support, so I'm curious.
I'm using the following page for reference on which firmwares/phone models support which bands:
https://www.techwalls.com/samsung-galaxy-s10-plus-model-number-sm-g975-differences/
Thanks!
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I'f you flash to t.mobile firmware then you should be good to go.
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Thanks, LimeyBastard. So just to confirm I understand this correctly, all of the Snapdragon/US based models have the exact same hardware, which supports Band 71, but only Tmobile and US Cellular activate Band 71 support in the firmware? Therefore, simply flashing the tmobile firmware onto any G975U unit will result in a phone that can use Band 71?
The ATT phones for sale seem considerably cheaper than the tmobile ones for some reason, so this seems like a good way to save money.

gwbyrd said:
Thanks, LimeyBastard. So just to confirm I understand this correctly, all of the Snapdragon/US based models have the exact same hardware, which supports Band 71, but only Tmobile and US Cellular activate Band 71 support in the firmware? Therefore, simply flashing the tmobile firmware onto any G975U unit will result in a phone that can use Band 71?
The ATT phones for sale seem considerably cheaper than the tmobile ones for some reason, so this seems like a good way to save money.
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Correct.
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Excellent, thank you! As it turns out, there's also a flamingo pink phone that is only sold by AT&T. I'd love to use that on T-Mobile. Of course, I can without Band 71, but now if I find myself stuck somewhere in the country, I might be able to have a pink phone to ward off the wolves! Haha. Now I just have to see if it's easy to unlock an AT&T carrier locked phone.

gwbyrd said:
Excellent, thank you! As it turns out, there's also a flamingo pink phone that is only sold by AT&T. I'd love to use that on T-Mobile. Of course, I can without Band 71, but now if I find myself stuck somewhere in the country, I might be able to have a pink phone to ward off the wolves! Haha. Now I just have to see if it's easy to unlock an AT&T carrier locked phone.
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You remind me of me, likes to go unique colors if possible [emoji106]
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gwbyrd said:
Excellent, thank you! As it turns out, there's also a flamingo pink phone that is only sold by AT&T. I'd love to use that on T-Mobile. Of course, I can without Band 71, but now if I find myself stuck somewhere in the country, I might be able to have a pink phone to ward off the wolves! Haha. Now I just have to see if it's easy to unlock an AT&T carrier locked phone.
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The U1 S10s have B71. Why do you want to bother with the ATT variant?

Ace42 said:
The U1 S10s have B71. Why do you want to bother with the ATT variant?
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He or she said its because they can get hold of this variant at a better price.
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Ace42 said:
The U1 S10s have B71. Why do you want to bother with the ATT variant?
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Hi Ace42! I don't need the ATT variant, it just so happened the cheapest model I found on eBay was an ATT variant, so I thought I could save money that way. I'd be perfectly happy if I could find a U1 variant, or at this stage any of the unlocked carrier variants. It seems unlocking these phones isn't a guaranteed thing yet? There are some really cheap ones from Sprint.

On this subject, does anyone know if these 3rd party unlock services are reliable/safe? I hate to spend money to unlock my phone, but if it costs $25 and I can use my phone on another network, I suppose it's worth it. I believe I can request an unlock from the carrier in many cases, but if they turn me down, I don't want to spend money on a phone I can't use, as there isn't currently a DIY method to unlock the G975U, correct?

gwbyrd said:
On this subject, does anyone know if these 3rd party unlock services are reliable/safe? I hate to spend money to unlock my phone, but if it costs $25 and I can use my phone on another network, I suppose it's worth it. I believe I can request an unlock from the carrier in many cases, but if they turn me down, I don't want to spend money on a phone I can't use, as there isn't currently a DIY method to unlock the G975U, correct?
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I can only go by who I've used in the past. Cellunlocker net. Used them twice.
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Limeybastard said:
He or she said its because they can get hold of this variant at a better price.
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Ah, makes sense! SIM unlocking ATT phones is the annoying bit so I generally keep my distance.
gwbyrd said:
Hi Ace42! I don't need the ATT variant, it just so happened the cheapest model I found on eBay was an ATT variant, so I thought I could save money that way. I'd be perfectly happy if I could find a U1 variant, or at this stage any of the unlocked carrier variants. It seems unlocking these phones isn't a guaranteed thing yet? There are some really cheap ones from Sprint.
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I've used ATT's device unlock multiple times in the past. The only issue is that requests are denied for no reason, which means resubmitting your request. You don't have to be an ATT subscriber (T-Mobile user).
https://www.att.com/deviceunlock/

I know this is an old thread, but were you ever successful in enabling band 71 on the S10?
I am curious as to doing the same thing on an S10e - which also has a US and an international version. My main reason for wanting to do it is not cost, but the fact that the S10e comes with dual-SIM support, whereas for some insane reason, the US version does not. It seems to be that many of Samsung's US phones drop 2-SIM support.