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I dont understand adorama Return Policy

It says they wont let you return notebooks or computers, but they have the tablet under notebooks? I have one here that I would like to open and inspect to compare with my amazon tablet, which ever one has "less issues" I would like to keep... but I dont know if I should open the adorama transformer?? Any help...

Call Adorama. Tell them that it will be a gift. If my dad does not like it (1. opened; 2. unopened), can I return it?
If the policy is as you state, whether opened or not, you might NOT be able to return.

Same policy on TigerDirect.
Once you get it you cannot return it for a refund, unless you refused the original delivery. All RMA issues have to be dealt with ASUS directly.

Tsk tsk tsk. ALWAYS research return/refund policies when buying anything... especially electronics.
Regardless, just return the worst one to Amazon. They don't check for serial numbers or anything. I returned my Walmart TF to Newegg and vice-versa without any issues. The UPC code is the same.

akarol said:
Tsk tsk tsk. ALWAYS research return/refund policies when buying anything... especially electronics.
Regardless, just return the worst one to Amazon. They don't check for serial numbers or anything. I returned my Walmart TF to Newegg and vice-versa without any issues. The UPC code is the same.
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^^^ and this is the reason some sites don't take returns

lqaddict said:
Same policy on TigerDirect.
Once you get it you cannot return it for a refund, unless you refused the original delivery. All RMA issues have to be dealt with ASUS directly.
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I know everyone says this about TigerDirect and i think it even says so on the website. But when I called them and told them all my issues and asked to just to just get my money back. They gave me no issues. Instantly emailed me the return label, paid for by them, and a few days later I got my money refunded too. I think I might have just gotten very lucky and got a great rep though, becuase my other times calling about the same issues I got a bunch of bs and run around. So i think if you really try the reps can do anything they want for you. haha
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ill call them tomorrow... if that's the case I will never buy from them again... and ill return the amazon one..

Thremix said:
It says they wont let you return notebooks or computers, but they have the tablet under notebooks? I have one here that I would like to open and inspect to compare with my amazon tablet, which ever one has "less issues" I would like to keep... but I dont know if I should open the adorama transformer?? Any help...
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Ok no offense, but you are exactly the reason WHY there are those kinds of return policies in the first place. I'm dead serious. Returns are expensive for retailers. They are bad enough when there are legit reasons for the return but when people do stuff like what you are attempting it's fraudulent in my opinion. Stores don't exist to work like libraries where you check out an item play with it see if it has issues and then return it when you are done playing.
If people would stop doing things like what you are attempting return procedures would likely be a bit more lax and restocking fee's wouldn't exist. Businesses are in business to make money, shocking i know. And returns are not profitable.
What you should be doing is taking any build quality issues up with the manufacturer NOT the retailer. They didn't make it and shouldn't be suffering a loss so you can play "which one will i keep". As a business owner myself i can spot people like yourself a mile away and i usually direct your business elsewhere, customers like that just aren't worth the trouble.

swampthing1117 said:
Ok no offense, but you are exactly the reason WHY there are those kinds of return policies in the first place. I'm dead serious. Returns are expensive for retailers. They are bad enough when there are legit reasons for the return but when people do stuff like what you are attempting it's fraudulent in my opinion. Stores don't exist to work like libraries where you check out an item play with it see if it has issues and then return it when you are done playing.
If people would stop doing things like what you are attempting return procedures would likely be a bit more lax and restocking fee's wouldn't exist. Businesses are in business to make money, shocking i know. And returns are not profitable.
What you should be doing is taking any build quality issues up with the manufacturer NOT the retailer. They didn't make it and shouldn't be suffering a loss so you can play "which one will i keep". As a business owner myself i can spot people like yourself a mile away and i usually direct your business elsewhere, customers like that just aren't worth the trouble.
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I disagree. Online retailers need to know that people are not able to "try" things out before purchasing like a B&M. For example, recently, I bought $300 worth of sunglasses to see which pair fit my face/style. I will mail back the ones that I did not select.
Why should it be different with electronics? No major B&M electronic retailer has restocking fees anymore except Sears. I'm sure that will end eventually. For me, I will not shop at a place that has a fee when it comes to small electronics (handheld devices, phones, etc.).

Don't worry, OP. No one is getting a free lunch from Amazon either.
Just saw this on AMAZON TF101 SPECS section:
Amazon.com Returns Policies: You may return any new computer purchased from Amazon.com that is "dead on arrival," arrives in damaged condition, or is still in unopened boxes, for a full refund within 30 days of purchase. Amazon.com reserves the right to test "dead on arrival" returns and impose a customer fee equal to 15 percent of the product sales price if the customer misrepresents the condition of the product. Any returned computer that is damaged through customer misuse, is missing parts, or is in unsellable condition due to customer tampering will result in the customer being charged a higher restocking fee based on the condition of the product. Amazon.com will not accept returns of any desktop or notebook computer more than 30 days after you receive the shipment. New, used, and refurbished products purchased from Marketplace vendors are subject to the returns policy of the individual vendor.
Of course, Amazon would be flexible about a defect (vs DOA), and be more flexible than to people who say, "I just did not like it. Wasn't what I expected."

I love my TF and I am keeping one.. I just put one on craiglist for $415 I think thats a fair price.. I am not "making" any money but that was never the point.. I just wanted to make sure I got a good one... they both are great with very little light leak, they both have the unbalanced sound but I see there is a fix for this already, so some one is gonna get lucky and get a transformer locally at cost, with no tax! lol

Not to be too legalistic but as far as I know no merchant through the use of any policy or provision can excuse themselves from the obligation of selling merchandise that is fit for its intended purpose.
If I sell you a toaster that does not toast, a knife that does not cut or a tablet that bleeds light out of the sides of the screen you have a pretty good case to demand full reimbursement.
Anyone can put up a sign "All Sales Are Final" or "Absolutely No Returns" or whatever they like but store policies never ever under any circumstances allow for a seller to commit fraud. If you tell the people that you gave the money to that the item does not work as promised through their onsite advertising (i.e. no mention of unequal sound or screenshots that do not show light bleed) you are entitled to cancel the sale since they took your money and did not give you the promised goods in exchange. You not obligated to let them try again, charge you a restocking fee, give you store credit or anything else.
Obviously I'm not a lawyer so you're mileage may vary. But I have found by plainly stating that the product in question is not fit for its intended purpose and as such I would like a refund yields a mostly desirous result. If the retailer held firm I would then call my credit card company and then worse case small claims.
The key is to keep saying unfit - unusable - not as advertised. Technical terms can cause subjective analysis while those three are pretty clear and can be elaborated on but not replaced (i.e. it's unfit because I bought it listen to music but one speaker is louder than the other, it is unusable because I bought it to view photos but the screen bleeds lights from the sides, etc.).
I'm sure they will help you regardless but no reason to bow down to some internet verbiage that outright dismisses their obligations under most state laws. As far as I am concerned a product received in unadvertised condition is DOA. Might as well be a brick if it doesn't do what it's supposed to do how it's supposed to do it.

Thremix said:
It says they wont let you return notebooks or computers, but they have the tablet under notebooks? I have one here that I would like to open and inspect to compare with my amazon tablet, which ever one has "less issues" I would like to keep... but I dont know if I should open the adorama transformer?? Any help...
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Best thing is to email me directly with your order number: [email protected]
BTW the returns policy as it relates to certain items is set by the manufacturers not by Adorama.
If an item in this category is found to be faulty or damaged on arrival it will be covered under the manufacturer warranty - but needs to be returned directly the manufacturer.
Helen Oster
Adorama Camera Customer Service Ambassador

Hey guys and gals, say hi to Helen. (Hi Helen, been a while since I've seen you around the internet.) She is one of the many reasons I like to use Adorama. How many companies have you seen that are this proactive? (I've heard Asus is active here too. That was an extra selling point for the TF for me.)
I usually deal with them for camera gear and they are very good about returns. Looks like their laptop policy is a wee bit different but I guess we now know why.

chimphappyhour said:
Hey guys and gals, say hi to Helen. (Hi Helen, been a while since I've seen you around the internet.) She is one of the many reasons I like to use Adorama. How many companies have you seen that are this proactive?
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Hi! That's good to hear!

Bad Samsung Repair Experience

I purchased my Galaxy 2 7" Tab right before Memorial Day. It worked perfectly for the first 35 days. Then it would just die and the only way to revive it was to plug it in, wait 5 minutes, unplug it, then hold the power button for 60 seconds. It would come back to life but the first time the screen turned off it would not come on and the above procedure had to be performed again.
I emailed Amazon and was pretty much told "Talk to the Manufacturer" OK, fair enough. Despite the fact that my family spends thousands per year at Amazon, I understand. Samsung phone support asked me for a detailed description of the problem. I stated exactly what I had to do to get the device to work. They assured me it would be noted and sent me a return shipping label. About 2 weeks later I get an email that says my device was repaired. The issue was noted as "Dead (Intermittently)" and that was it. The repair...."S/W Upgrade (External Factor)". I thought, WTF, no way that was software.
The device was returned today with numerous scratches and what look like pry marks on the rear cover. The device was PERFECT when sent in. So I fire it up and the screen shuts off and the device is doing the EXACT same thing it did before I sent it in. I called Samsung back and kept getting put on hold and was eventually told I had to send it back yet again. I asked why as obviously they did nothing to fix it the first time. They said that if it comes back again with the same issue I *might* be able to get a new device. I also asked why my device was cosmetically damaged and as you can expect, the CSR gave me some BS about how careful they are. Really? They pried my back off, scratched it, nicked it, and that is what they call being careful? To top it all off, it was shoved into a box with absolutely no packing material and was banging around in the box. Even if they do actually repair it, what are the odds it makes it back again without being damaged further?
All in all I'm very frustrated with Samsung support. I understand electronic devices fail, but they should actually be able to fix the device on the first return. Especially when the problem is so obvious. It's like they don't even care. I will certainly think twice before buying another Samsung product.

I certainly can sympathize but you know they all pretty much are the same. I've had similar experiences with HP, Dell, Toshiba, and Sony over the years and that's just with electronics. My latest was with a IKEA desk I purchased which showed up damaged sent back just so they could send me another damaged one. We can only blame ourselves and parents who passed on buying products and services from reputable companies to buy from the low price companies. Its become so standard practice that they all pretty much operate this way now. Costs too much too care and we the customer don't buy from companies who care. Plus its all about the shareholders.
With that being said. Thank you for sharing your story. It just may make a difference when I purchase my next device. Damn, who am I kidding. It will make a difference. I don't want to deal with companies like that.

You're right. I usually buy my electronics from Best Buy. I have always had great customer service, especially when I get Best Buy Corporate involved. I purchased 2 Asus Prime tablets at Christmas last year. One for me and one for my son. The GPS never worked but we kept waiting for the magic firmware fix that never came. WiFi was also weak. I sent an email to Best Buy Corporate and within hours I had someone call me, called my local store, and allowed me to exchange both for the TF700's. Some 8+ months after purchase. I buy a lot of stuff at Amazon but not typically electronics. I made the mistake of purchasing this at Amazon as I had a gift card I wanted to use. They have great prices but come day 31, forget about returning it for an exchange let alone 8 months later. I did send an email to Samsung NA headquarters so maybe they will make sure it is fixed or replaced the second time around. One can always hope...

Mike02z said:
You're right. I usually buy my electronics from Best Buy. I have always had great customer service, especially when I get Best Buy Corporate involved. I purchased 2 Asus Prime tablets at Christmas last year. One for me and one for my son. The GPS never worked but we kept waiting for the magic firmware fix that never came. WiFi was also weak. I sent an email to Best Buy Corporate and within hours I had someone call me, called my local store, and allowed me to exchange both for the TF700's. Some 8+ months after purchase. I buy a lot of stuff at Amazon but not typically electronics. I made the mistake of purchasing this at Amazon as I had a gift card I wanted to use. They have great prices but come day 31, forget about returning it for an exchange let alone 8 months later. I did send an email to Samsung NA headquarters so maybe they will make sure it is fixed or replaced the second time around. One can always hope...
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I should email best buy and raise hell about my tab. Maybe I could get a new one or allowed to upgrade to a 10.
Thanks for sharing. I love my three Samsung devices and I'm upset for you. They should treat us, the customer a lot better. I've spent a lot of money on my toys. We all have. Assholes.
I refuse to buy something like this online. I use the power of the receipt to its full potential.

OK, so as is my usual practice when I am unhappy with service a company is providing, I did some research and found the email address of the CEO/President of Samsung NA and sent a nice email. I did that last night and got a call from the office of the President of Samsung NA this morning. The nice woman reviewed my case and within 3 minutes said "We will replace your unit with a brand new unit". She asked if I had already sent my old unit back for repair. I told her it went out this morning. She said the day it is received I will get a new, unopened P3113 shipped via overnight to my home. She apologized multiple times. She then sent me an email with all her contact information and told me to contact her if I have any further issues or questions. As I have discovered, it's all about getting to the right level of support.
While I am still unhappy that Samsung was unable to fix my device the first time, and did cosmetic damage, I'm extremely happy with the way this was handled in the end. Samsung will keep my business in the future.:good:

That's awesome! I'm happy for ya bud. It also makes me feel good that they stood behind their product and took care of the most important person. The customer. Kudos for you as well for taking the time to do this right. Sometimes I forget we the customer have to make the effort to handle these kinds of issues correctly.

Mike02z said:
OK, so as is my usual practice when I am unhappy with service a company is providing, I did some research and found the email address of the CEO/President of Samsung NA and sent a nice email. I did that last night and got a call from the office of the President of Samsung NA this morning. The nice woman reviewed my case and within 3 minutes said "We will replace your unit with a brand new unit". She asked if I had already sent my old unit back for repair. I told her it went out this morning. She said the day it is received I will get a new, unopened P3113 shipped via overnight to my home. She apologized multiple times. She then sent me an email with all her contact information and told me to contact her if I have any further issues or questions. As I have discovered, it's all about getting to the right level of support.
While I am still unhappy that Samsung was unable to fix my device the first time, and did cosmetic damage, I'm extremely happy with the way this was handled in the end. Samsung will keep my business in the future.:good:
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Gotta note also that first device was just plain bad luck.
Sent either from my p113 (gtab 2 7.0) or i997 (Infuse)

Ryanscool said:
Gotta note also that first device was just plain bad luck.
Sent either from my p113 (gtab 2 7.0) or i997 (Infuse)
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Yup, I realize this happens. I suspect if I had not gone this route the device would have come back still broken and they would have probably made good anyway. I just saved a step or 2. I've been fairly lucky overall with electronic devices.

I just wanted to follow up on this. I did receive a new unopened Galaxy Tab 2 via UPS on Monday 8/27. The outer box was destroyed and the inner box was damaged but the device was perfect. I have been using it heavily all week and it has been performing well. While not the best service experience, at least Samsung made it right with a single email to the right place.
My advice to anyone experiencing poor customer service, with any large purchase, is to do a little searching and find the corporate directory and with any luck you can find the CEO/President's email address. These addresses are typically monitored by high level CSR's that can do things other CSR's cannot do. I have used this trick multiple times with multiple vendors and it has always gotten me great service. A well written email can do wonders. Good luck!

Glad it worked out well in the end Mike and thanks for the "tips" hopefully i will never need to use them.
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Kudos to you Mike ! If we all do like you did standard of Customer Care will get raised to great heights.
Would you like to share your email so it might serve as a template/sample for others ?
Thanks !

Sure, in fact I will share both the email I sent to Samsung and the email sent to Best Buy about the Prime TF201.
Samsung:
Sent to Samsung NA CEO and President. IT was someone from the president's staff who called me the day after this was sent.
Hello Yangkyu-san,
My name is Michael SXXXXXXX and I have been a long time Samsung Customer. I have 4 Samsung HD TV’s, a Samsung Galaxy Nexus and a Samsung Galaxy 2 7” tablet along with multiple other Samsung products. I’m writing to you as I’m very frustrated with the service I have received on my defective Galaxy 2 7” tablet. The device was purchased at the end of May from Amazon. Right after my return period expired, I started having problems with the device. It would just die and the only way to restart it was to plug the cable in, unplug it and hold the power button for 60 seconds. I called Samsung and they took all my information and said I needed to send the unit in for repair. I clearly explained the symptoms in detail and the CSR said he made all those notes in my repair order.
After 10 days, I received an email stating that my unit was repaired. The Issue summary was simply “DEAD Intermittently” and the fix was “S/W Upgrade (External Factor)” The Service ticket number is 4115XXXXX. The unit was returned today and within 5 minutes was exhibiting the exact same behavior. I again called Samsung service and was told I needed to return my unit yet again. The new ticket number is 411XXXXX.
I am very frustrated that despite sending this unit in for repair once, I need to send it in yet again and be without my device for another 2 weeks. I understand electronics break but what I don’t understand is why I need to return it again after sending in for repair once. I asked if I could just get a new device since it appears to me that the repair center is unable to repair it. I was told that if it comes back again unrepaired, I *may* qualify for a new unit.
I use this device for work and cannot afford to continue to be without it. Now I must wait another 2 weeks before my unit comes back hoping it is repaired properly this time and if still broken then I may be able to get a replacement? Adding additional time to my wait for a fully functional device. I honestly expected much better from Samsung support. It should also be noted that my device was in perfect cosmetic condition when sent in. When returned there are scratches on the back and what looks like pry marks on the back cover. I did not expect to have my device damaged cosmetically along with it not being repaired properly.
Please let me know if there is anything Samsung can do for me. I am returning the Tablet tomorrow, again leaving me without a major work tool for yet another 2 weeks and hoping it is actually repaired and not damaged further. Thank you for your attention in this matter.
A lifelong Samsung customer,
-Michael SXXXXX
[email protected]
[email protected]
215-xxx-xxxx
I received a call the next day and a follow-up email is below:
Mr. SXXXX,
As per our phone conversation, my contact information is below.
Thanks,
Heather XXXXX
NAHQ CSD VOC
Samsung Electronics America, Inc.
85 Challenger Road, 7th Fl
Ridgefield Park, NJ 07660
[email protected]
O: 201-373-XXXX | M: 973-590-XXXX | F: 201-329-XXXX
Office of the President: 1-888-480-XXXX
Below is the email I sent to the CEO of Best Buy regarding my defective Prime tablets:
Dear Mr. Mikan,
I’m sorry to bother you but I feel I have to report issues I’m having with products purchased at Best Buy back in December of 2011.
I purchased 2 Asus Prime tablets for Christmas. One for my son and one for myself. We have had nothing but issues with these tablets. The GPS does not work on either tablet at all. Even after getting the free GPS dongle we cannot get GPS to function. We also have horrible WiFi. I spent hundreds of dollars to upgrade my wireless thinking that would help the WiFi issues. That did not help.
Recently, I started reading where many people are having the exact same issue that I am having. I understand these are design defects in the Asus Prime TF201 and cannot be fixed. Many have returned their ASUS prime tablets in exchange for the newer TF700 table at Best Buy. Even those having their Prime’s longer than I have had success. I tried to do this but was basically laughed at and told “No way”.
I have been a loyal Best Buy customer for years and spend several thousand dollars per year at Best Buy stores and at Best Buy online. I’m just asking to be allowed to return by 2 defective TF201 tablets and get full crdit towards 2 new TF700 tablets. My understanding is the design flaws of the TF201 were fixed in the TF700. Below are my 2 order numbers. Anything you can do to assist a long time customer would be greatly appreciated.
BBY01-4355XXXXXXXX
BBY01-4322XXXXXXXX
Regards,
Michael SXXXXX
215-XXX-XXXX
[email protected]
On this request, I received a call about an hour after I sent it and the woman I spoke to asked which store I wanted to return my items to. Since it was after hours, she promised to call my local store and "see what she could do". The next day at 11:00 AM she returned my call, gave me the managers names and told me to take my 2 Prime's and dock in for full credit towards 2 new TF700's and the TF700 dock. I was in and out of the store in 10 minutes.

You have set a good example.
May be you could also guide us on how to find these "Premier" e-mail ids as i was once trying to reach Head of LG but could not find any Contact info
Thanks again

Bon-Joon Koo is the CEO of LG. From what I can tell, the email address format lg uses is last name first initial at lge.com so I'd try [email protected]. I found this by searching for less than 5 minutes. More diligent searching may find the exact email address. If you get a rejection keep trying different combinations.

silentvisitor said:
You have set a good example.
May be you could also guide us on how to find these "Premier" e-mail ids as i was once trying to reach Head of LG but could not find any Contact info
Thanks again
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LG was good regarding my 6 year old tv.
Basically, the power board went out, and I was unable to purchase the repair parts.
They gave me a prorated refund of 300 bucks ( would have been more I'd I had receipt) almost enough to buy a new tv.
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**N7100 SDS Group Repair** for U.S. owners

So I had permission from mod to start a group repair thread here to better gather all the N7100 SDS victim in the U.S. to get the phone repaired in the states. This supposedly saves u time and potentially some money (in case Samsung would not accept your phone or refuse to honor your warranty after you sent the phone to them)
So, everything started in this thread. Details have been discussed in that thread. So if you are interested, please read about the discussions in that thread. This thread here serves the purpose of a better way to find and inform U.S. owners who suffered SDS on their N7100, in order to get the group repair set up quicker.
I am going to summarize some important information from the other thread below.
The Repairer Found
MobileTechVideos.com
The page for Note II eMMC repair is located here
BIG THANKS TO xryousukex
Also, xryousukex pointed out that they are on facebook. So if you want, you can go check out people's comments on their pages. I am quite trusting with them as they have been pretty honest and helpful when i talked to them on the phone, e.g., talking about success rate, pricing, and repair time.
Benefits/Price
Basically, the discounted price breaks down as follows. Note that the "refund deduction" is the amount that the repairer will charge in case of a repair failure. The eMMC costs about $80, so if the seller fails to fully recover the phone, their policy is to refund the labor cost but retain their costs of ordering these eMMC chips. They told me that the success rate should be greater than or equal to 85%. It is just an estimate because they have not seen as many SDS cases on Note II as they've seen on the GS3.
Group of - Price - Refund Deduction (in case of unsuccessful repair)
1 person - $150 -$80
5 persons - $135 - $15
10 persons - $130 - $15
20 persons - $125 - $15
So, as you can see, the major benefit is not BIG discounts, but the less sunk costs in case the repair is not successful.
Group List
So far, we have FOUR people on the list. I guess one we hit 5-person mark, we can discuss about whether to wait for more people or just go ahead. Feel free to update yourself into the list and reply here.
Tentative members
1 - cswithxda
2 - nochancenine
3 - pitflyer
4 - hull22
5 -
Payment Method
The company will send us coupon codes that can be used x times, with x being how many people we have. Or, I was thinking about having the company issue x coupons, with each one sent individually to each one of us, so we won't worry about someone using coupon more than once (e.g., giving the code to a friend that you found to also have SDS on his/her phone)
The rest of the payment details is just normal check out through their website. We can proceed individually once we have the coupons.
Repair Time
I did not ask about this but the guy I talked to on the phone reminded me of the repair time. I was told that it should take around 8 business days to get the phone back, which is essentially 2 weeks considering the shipping/handling. They are located in Texas so you can figure out how long it usually takes for the shipping.
Disclaimer
Neither am I, nor XDA forum, affiliated with the company mentioned in this thread. I am not responsible for anything that might happen to your phone during this repair process, even though I am the initiator of this process. My intention is to gather enough people quickly and get our phones repaired in a fast and economical manner. I am not "pushing" anyone to do this. This is not an advertisement.
Most importantly, XDA is not part of this group repair initiation.
Comments
Sorry for the unprofessional wording in the disclaimer section. I have not done this (initiator) ever in my life. This is also the first phone that I ever need to pay to get it repaired. So my lack of experience should be expected :fingers-crossed: Please don't hesitate to correct any misinformation in the thread by letting me know. I provided the best information I have from the repairer. And if you want, definitely feel free to contact them and verify that I have the facts put down correctly. I will also inform the repairer of this thread so they might chime in and answer some questions maybe. They were a little hesitant about this because they do not want to be deemed to be advertising without permission.
Lastly, feel free to ask any question or concern you may have. I'll try my best to answer.
@Mods: Thanks for your understanding and allowing me to start this thread :good:

I'm somewhat on the fence (frustrated that a brand new phone that should have a Samsung warranty is not being covered since Samsung US basically says these are not their phones and treats Samsung UK/etc as a separate company). However, if we can get to 5 people (and I would vote not to wait for ten, since the additional discount/savings on EMMC refund is small) then I'll probably do it.

Ye, me too. I don't want to wait. And I'll see. If in 1-2 weeks we do not make it five, i'd have to bite the bullet and get it repaired on my own. I'm leaving U.S. mid May. Definitely need to sell it before I leave.

@cswithxda
Let me get this straight. You, the US citizens are not able to get your malfunctioning Note IIs repaired which you bought legally?

Samsung US does not service GT-N7100, in warranty or not.
So if you are in the US you have to either pay someone else to fix it or send it to the country it was made in (since GT-N7100 was not made/sold in US directly by Samsung).
Hence the problem.

pitflyer said:
Samsung US does not service GT-N7100, in warranty or not.
So if you are in the US you have to either pay someone else to fix it or send it to the country it was made in (since GT-N7100 was not made/sold in US directly by Samsung).
Hence the problem.
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Ohh your Note IIs are from outside the US.

[email protected] said:
Ohh your Note IIs are from outside the US.
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Yep, that's what this thread is for. Unfortunate U.S. N7100 owners.

Was told by mobile tech that 32/64gb chips can't be sourced. 16gb it is if my n7100 breaks down.
Sent from my GT-N7100

@rbiter said:
Was told by mobile tech that 32/64gb chips can't be sourced. 16gb it is if my n7100 breaks down.
Sent from my GT-N7100
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Thanks for updating the info.
@all,
I am going to wait till Friday maybe before I have to send my phone to get it repaired. Need it back before mid-May...

cswithxda said:
Thanks for updating the info.
@all,
I am going to wait till Friday maybe before I have to send my phone to get it repaired. Need it back before mid-May...
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I am still interested in the group repair, but if there aren't enough people I understand that we may need to just take care of these on our own. I guess we are really quite in the minority with this issue.

It seems like you still have the initial three interested. I know they want 5, but maybe you can negotiate at least a smaller refund deduction, somewhere between 80 and 15 for three of us? Right now the price is $80 for attempting the repair and another $70 if they actually fix it. If we can make it more like $50 for attempting the repair and another $100 if they actually fix it .. at least won't feel so stupid to throw another $80 down the rabbit hole...
(I know the actual way it works is you pay $150 and get X amount back)

To the last poster, I'm willing to work out a smaller deductible in the event a device can't be repaired if your time frame won't permit for 5 persons. The idea behind the deductible is I literally spend about $85.00 per chip whether I am successful or not. eMMC densities are difficult to source and extremely expensive as they are CLASS 100 and higher in terms of transfer speed which is why the pricing structure is nowhere near what you would pay for the highest class SD-CARD available. If you have any questions you can contact us via phone. That number can be found on our FAQ page. Due to XDA restrictions I won't post that here but someone else can if they would like. I am not able to monitor my XDA Inbox as I once had more time for so it's best to contact us via phone or email for fastest repsonse.
Thanks guys and good luck,
-Josh

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To the last poster, I'm willing to work out a smaller deductible in the event a device can't be repaired if your time frame won't permit for 5 persons. The idea behind the deductible is I literally spend about $85.00 per chip whether I am successful or not. eMMC densities are difficult to source and extremely expensive as they are CLASS 100 and higher in terms of transfer speed which is why the pricing structure is nowhere near what you would pay for the highest class SD-CARD available. If you have any questions you can contact us via phone. That number can be found on our FAQ page. Due to XDA restrictions I won't post that here but someone else can if they would like. I am not able to monitor my XDA Inbox as I once had more time for so it's best to contact us via phone or email for fastest repsonse.
Thanks guys and good luck,
-Josh
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connexion2005 said:
To the last poster, I'm willing to work out a smaller deductible in the event a device can't be repaired if your time frame won't permit for 5 persons. The idea behind the deductible is I literally spend about $85.00 per chip whether I am successful or not. eMMC densities are difficult to source and extremely expensive as they are CLASS 100 and higher in terms of transfer speed which is why the pricing structure is nowhere near what you would pay for the highest class SD-CARD available. If you have any questions you can contact us via phone. That number can be found on our FAQ page. Due to XDA restrictions I won't post that here but someone else can if they would like. I am not able to monitor my XDA Inbox as I once had more time for so it's best to contact us via phone or email for fastest repsonse.
Thanks guys and good luck,
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@connexion2005 That's very nice Josh. I think it was you that I talked to on the phone maybe? I'm not English speaker so I am very bad with English names
Anyway, @nochancenine @pitflyer what do you guys think? If any of you wanna call Josh and talk about lower deductibles for only three of us in the group? I know it'd be nice to have like 50+ people doing a gigantic group repair and get some crazy discount with maybe no deductible at all lol, but it looks like we may be waiting for weeks or even months ahead just to make it to 5 people. So, I am very positive in proceeding with only 3 of us and this thread will then become the reference for other people in the future that might need this service. What do you think? I have an exam tomorrow and a project due, so I don't have much time tomorrow to call them up. If any of you could call and talk about the details, I think we might be able to actually get the process started.
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Thanks Josh for posting that you're willing to work with us. I'm not in as much of a time crunch as the OP so I'd like to see if we can get the '5' to get to the negotiated level of discount / non fixable deduction. I will try to call and see what I can work out with only 3 people but not sure when I'll get to it either.
Of course, two lurkers could make this much easier for us if they just sign up for the group repair... I posted this thread on FatWallet where I know there was at least one other poster that had the same issue, so maybe s/he or someone else will make this decision easy.

@pitflyer,
How did it turn out? Any interests?
I'll probably call Josh later today and ask for what refund deductible we have to pay with only three people, and report back. If you are not satisfied with it I might have to jump. I have to clean 2 weeks ahead of time when I will leave the country

I'd like to take part in a group repair for my dead N7100. One question though, how secure are the passwords, etcs on the phone?

OK, then we have four people on the list now.
1 - @cswithxda
2 - @nochancenine
3 - @pitflyer
4 - @hull22
5 -
I just called Josh and was told that with 4 people we get $140 for the repair, and the deductible is the same as if we had 5 people, i.e., $15 each. He also said that he had not failed on one of these phones yet as he had more units repaired in the past couple weeks.
So what do you think? I have to send it out on Monday at least, so I want to see if you guys are willing to do 4 people on Monday.
Thanks

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I'd like to take part in a group repair for my dead N7100. One question though, how secure are the passwords, etcs on the phone?
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@hull22
I am not sure what you meant by passwords? If they change the eMMC, isn't everything gonna be lost anyway?

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@hull22
I am not sure what you meant by passwords? If they change the eMMC, isn't everything gonna be lost anyway?
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as long as my personal information isn't compromised, i'm in
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cswithxda said:
OK, then we have four people on the list now.
1 - @cswithxda
2 - @nochancenine
3 - @pitflyer
4 - @hull22
5 -
I just called Josh and was told that with 4 people we get $140 for the repair, and the deductible is the same as if we had 5 people, i.e., $15 each. He also said that he had not failed on one of these phones yet as he had more units repaired in the past couple weeks.
So what do you think? I have to send it out on Monday at least, so I want to see if you guys are willing to do 4 people on Monday.
Thanks
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i'm in, just need to know where and how to send it, etc. I'll have to go reread the thread..

WARNING! Buy At Your Own Risk

I would like to say first that I absolutely LOVE my Nexus 7 tablet. Having owned a couple of different Android tablets made by those other people (Samsung...even an iPad Mini), I can honestly say the N7 really is the best. With that being said, I would like to share my experience with them today, and I hope it helps others in being more informed about their decision to purchase in the future. Its kind of a long read, but you will be shocked at the end, so please see it through.
A week or so ago my tablet developed an issue where after waking it from standby I would have to toggle Airplane Mode on and off in order to access the internet. I was off work today so I called Google warranty about the issue. The gentleman I spoke with was very kind and, I believe, as helpful in the situation as he could be. After explaining the issue and running through some standard trouble shooting, the first technician I spoke with from Google concluded it was most likely a hardware issue and that someone from a different department (mind you, I was speaking to the warranty department already) would contact me via email in 24-48 hours.
After I hung up from him, I thought about it and something wasn't quite right. The warranty department should be able to generate a replacement or at the minimum an RMA right then, right? So I called back and asked to speak with a manager. I was transferred to a floor supervisor, explained everything that had transpired up until then, to which he promised to get to the bottom of the issue right then. He asked for my email address, which I provided, when he stated he could not find an order for a Nexus tablet. I proceeded to explain to him I purchased it from GameStop, I had the receipt with the box and date of purchase, when he abruptly cut me off to tell me he could not do anything about my warranty issue because it was bought from a third party. He explained I would have to go through the retailer or through Asus. Now, here is where my trouble with this begins. Is this not manufactured for, branded, and advertised as a GOOGLE Nexus 7 tablet...or is it brand, advertised, and sold as an Asus Nexus 7 tablet. Yes, I understand who actually manufactured it. But that is transparent. There are A LOT of products made by other manufacturers that are sold under a different brand name. In fact, there are actually quite few true "manufactures" in the world but they make and sell products daily under a different name. However, this floor supervisor was unwilling to provide me with any assistance at all. He did offer to connect me to Asus customer support.
Another hold later, and 20 something minutes into the call, I was connected to another very nice customer service rep from Asus. I again (third time) explained the issue and the steps already performed to remedy the situation. After speaking with him for a while, he agreed to issue an RMA so that one of there technicians could diagnose the problem and do a repair or replace. I asked at his point how long this process takes...TWO WEEKS. Mind you, I have only owned the tablet a total of exactly 7 weeks and 2 days. I told him that this was completely unacceptable. He then offered to upgrade my case to priority service. Again I asked for a time frame and was told this time...1-1/2 WEEKS, or 3 days faster. At this point I am furious. I asked if I could have a replacement sent out...NO. I asked if I could have one sent out with a hold on my credit card until my defective unit was received...NO. I asked if I could have a refund arranged...NO. I asked if he would be kind enough to contact GameStop to request an exchange be made...NO. MY ONLY OPTION ON A 7 WEEK OLD TABLET...A GOOGLE TABLET MIND YOU...WAS TO BE WITHOUT FOR 2 WEEKS! You have go to be kidding me! I sincerely thought Google was better than this.
I used the following analogy...you buy a brand new car. It has a warranty issue that needs fixed so you take it to the dealership at which point they say, "sorry but we cant fix it for 2 weeks" and leave you with no car. I honestly can not believe the customer service between these two companies is this poor. As well, I have had cell phones replaced by AT&T under warranty that CERTAINLY were not made by AT&T, yet Google does not share the same mindset although the tablet was clearly a Google product.
So, I write this as a warning for any of you that have purchased your tablet from GameStop, Best Buy, Staples, ect. what challenges you face should you ever need warranty service. And to those who did purchase off the Play Store exactly how Google is treating their customers. I love Google (a lot less now) but I will NEVER buy another Nexus/Google branded product again...not so much as rent a movie or buy a song from the play store. And I will take to any forum I can access to share my experience in an attempt to convince Google/Asus to improve their customer service. They have lost a customer and I implore you to share my experience with as many people as you can that may be considering a Google product or service in the future.

Here's another analogy: You buy an Apple phone from Best Buy and it develops a fault, where do you take it back to?
Buy a Google product direct from Google next time and learn about Consumer rights.

Apple is the exception in that example. Buy a Samsung, Motorola, LG, Blackberry, ect. and who handles warranty replacement? AT&T, right? ALTHOUGH it is clearly stated the MANUFACTURER warrants the product against defect. And yes...I am very aware we are not talking about AT&T, simply using it as an example.
Furthermore, I never once stated my consumer rights were violated, in fact I clearly said they offered a solution. However, from a consumer stand point, and in this case especially with the INTENDED transparency between Google and Asus, the issue was not handled with the consumer (me) in their best interest.
Feel free to flame me if you'd like, but I would put nickles to dimes that if it was you, you would feel the same way.
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/waaa?
You are completely right tho. The should have a shop on hand for when you call. Just for you. Only you. You. Did I mention you?
Yeah i'm talking to you.

sigaiser said:
Apple is the exception in that example. Buy a Samsung, Motorola, LG, Blackberry, ect. and who handles warranty replacement? AT&T, right? ALTHOUGH it is clearly stated the MANUFACTURER warrants the product against defect. And yes...I am very aware we are not talking about AT&T, simply using it as an example.
Furthermore, I never once stated my consumer rights were violated, in fact I clearly said they offered a solution. However, from a consumer stand point, and in this case especially with the INTENDED transparency between Google and Asus, the issue was not handled with the consumer (me) in their best interest.
Feel free to flame me if you'd like, but I would put nickles to dimes that if it was you, you would feel the same way.
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For more reports of mishandling and cruddy CS, go here:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[1-25-false]
Feel free to add your experience....

danvee said:
For more reports of mishandling and cruddy CS, go here:
https://productforums.google.com/forum/#!topic/nexus/mG4JXaT-SHs[1-25-false]
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Thanks for the link...I posted there as well. It is cruddy. I would
D have expected more from Google in a situation like this.
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tweaked said:
/waaa?
You are completely right tho. The should have a shop on hand for when you call. Just for you. Only you. You. Did I mention you?
Yeah i'm talking to you.
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I'm not going to reply, much, to your sarcasm other than to say that if you think I expect more from Google than anyone else, then you're sorely mistaken but entitled to your opinion. If you read any of the post, and you comprehend written text, you could easily deduce that I was stating their current policy (unwritten mind you) on buying from third party retailers.
With that being said, how about being constructive vs. Being a smart ass. Thanks for reading.
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djsubterrain said:
Here's another analogy: You buy an Apple phone from Best Buy and it develops a fault, where do you take it back to?
Buy a Google product direct from Google next time and learn about Consumer rights.
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Buying direct from Google won't help. When I had to have my Nexus phone replaced, under warranty, I called Google since I bought it on the play store. They gave me a number to Samsung(It was a Galaxy Nexus) and Samsung did exactly the same thing. I had to go to Wal-mart and buy a cheap flip phone to use for 2 weeks while Samsung replaced my 2 month old phone which I had bought from the Google Play Store.

It is definitely nice to go to an apple store and have a replacement in 10 minutes if you have a bad phone... I had an issue with my galaxy s4 and at&t didnt have any in stock to replace it with.... Bad experience.

I actually feel nothing is wrong with the warranty service options the OP mentioned.
It would be above average for the industry.
If I bought a premium car like Lexus then I would expect a nice loaner if my car needs works.
But if I paid for a Toyota, then it's up to the dealer ... a shuttle ride is nice enough.
I even bought my 2012N7 over ebay, haha. Worst case, I just call Asus.
Unless Google promises something and doesn't deliver ... otherwise, it's up to them (that's why I normally
talk nicely to the customer-service people).

sigaiser said:
I'm not going to reply, much, to your sarcasm other than to say that if you think I expect more from Google than anyone else, then you're sorely mistaken but entitled to your opinion. If you read any of the post, and you comprehend written text, you could easily deduce that I was stating their current policy (unwritten mind you) on buying from third party retailers.
With that being said, how about being constructive vs. Being a smart ass. Thanks for reading.
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But, I'm only good at smartass comments.

i had my nexus 4 RMA due to faulty screen and i had the most wonderful experience, the lady i spoke to gave me no trouble what so ever promptly sent me an email with the order replacement link, put the hold on my card and 2 days later brand new N4 at my door, i would actually prefer to order directly from them after that experience

Also had a good experience with the nexus 4, screen was super dim, Google sent me a new one and have me a shipping label to send my old one in the same box
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One of the reasons why I always buy from companies with excellent customer service.
Few examples..
Bought a Galaxy Nexus from Amazon and after 6months+ it developed a fault.. cant remember what it was. So me being me... its been 6months+ I contact Samsung because its been so long. They told me they can get it fixed within a week. I get it back and its worse then when i sent it. I tried again.. sent it, came back and still as bad. I contact samsung again and explain to them. They said they will contact me within a few days.
While waiting i thought what the heck... Contacted Amazon and explained Samsung has wasted my time and if possible would like a refund. They said ok right away and got my money back! Samsung contact me and I vented out to the manager/supervisor on the line and all he could say was thats great that you got a refund....
Bought a Nexus 4 direct from Google.. Again after 6months+ it starts over heating. Contact google and they said we can replace it for you no problem. They sent out a new one while i still had the faulty one.
I would pay more for a product just to have great customer service then to get it a little cheaper and have next to no customer service.

So uh, you're mad because you have to ship your tablet back to the manufacturer to replace it?
Yeah man, that's total BS! Having to send it back to the manufacturers so they can fix it, it isn't like you do that with any other product you own right?

N7 2012 woes
@ sigaiser
I understand your frustration. I have an old Nexus 7, which I bought in the UK from PC World. It developed a fault where it would not charge. PC World referred me to ASUS, who ran through various ideas to fix it (most of which I had tried after internet forum searches), gave me a code and an RMA, and told me 7 to 10 days. It was picked up by the courier for next day delivery to Triage Services, who do ASUS repairs in the UK. After 4 weeks, it came back and still had exactly the same fault. (Later, I found that Triage had replaced the motherboard.) SO after another couple of days of trying to sort it out again, I rang again and got another RMA and an email telling me to book it in. I was also told that I should have been told "up to 30 days" not 7 to 10. The courier web site this time told me I'd have to pay for the return (different courier first time) though subsequently ASUS complaints told me that that was a courier error. Away it went again, and came back with the battery re-seated. It did not charge up, so off it went again. After another couple of weeks, making a total of 8 1/2 weeks, it came back with a new wall charger - supposedly that was no longer charging (even though when it left, it happily charged my Nexus 4). I HAD told them it was not that, as 3 different chargers would not charge The Nexus 7. It lasted that day, then refused to charge fully overnight, and charging to a lower % each night. All ASUS would offer was another RMA. :crying:
In the end, I threw myself on the mercy of the team at PC World, and asked if there was anything they could do - perhaps a discount on a different tablet. They had a chat, and gave me a new Nexus 7, this time with their "Whatever Happens" replacement insurance. Result. In future I think I will be getting my stuff from them with that guarantee.:laugh:
The current Nexus 7 charges up MUCH faster than the first one ever did, so either something had been changed, or the first was always faulty.
ASUS had been helpful, but they required THREE parts of the tablet replaced before they'd replace the whole thing. I had only had one so even though I'd lost it for more than 2 months out of the 12 month guarantee they would not consider either a replacement, or even extending the warranty for the 2 months I had been without.
Triage services, on the other hand, who supposedly did the repairs, I have no time for. First time round, they booked the tablet in to their workshop 5 days after they got it (thus showing ASUS that they were working on it faster than the truth). Then clearly they never actually tried it any of the three times before returning it.

joshyc5 said:
So uh, you're mad because you have to ship your tablet back to the manufacturer to replace it?
Yeah man, that's total BS! Having to send it back to the manufacturers so they can fix it, it isn't like you do that with any other product you own right?
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No, I'm not mad I have to send it back to the manufacturer. I'm mad because that is the ONLY option to send it back. Google told me on the phone if I bought it direct from them, they would send out a replacement right then and there. So what's the difference? GameStop is an authorized retailer. It's not like it was a black market knock off from Amazon. And as far as Asus goes (who is the manufacturer yet not a reseller), they offer no way to have a replacement sent, even with a credit card hold. So the ONLY option is to go without and wait 2 weeks, or whatever the turnaround time ends up being, without the product you paid for. That's what makes me mad.
And maybe I'm missing something, but what I can't get over is the fact that it's made for Google and sold by Google, yet Google is not supporting products sold by third party retailers although it carries their name.
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I really don't see a 1-1.5 week wait as being that big of a deal, sure it would be nice to get it replaced with a new one but they do not have to offer that to you. The warranty doesn't say that they offer replacements at the first sign of an issue. Since you bought it from a 3rd party retailer I wouldn't expect Google to take care of it since it is an ASUS tablet. If you'd purchased it from the Play Store and they wouldn't help then that would be a problem.

They just couldn't move as fast as you *commanded* them too? F off.

aiiee said:
They just couldn't move as fast as you *commanded* them too? F off.
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Lol, whatever. Easy to hide behind a screen name. You wouldn't say it to my face so why say it online?
Either way, moderators, just close this thread. Obviously no one has the intelligence to understand the point I was attempting to make so it does no one any good for it to remain open as its only going to turn ugly.
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4 days and 3 Droid Turbos: My journey through Verizon hell (replacement woes)

If you want to hear a worst case scenario with verizon employees and new hardware defects, here you go. Kudos if you read the whole thing, I don't expect most people to...unless you're one of those people with a faulty battery/camera flash/screen/speaker. Then, enjoy and beware.
What follows is a true story.
Thursday 10/30/2014 12pm – Purchase Droid Turbo #1
– Went to Verizon Store and worked with sales associate John to purchase my new droid turbo. I traded in my OG droid razr maxx for $100 rebate, and then John tried to “sell” me a wireless charger for the device by saying he could waive my upgrade fee to apply towards the product. Having already read about the promotion for waived upgrade fees, and knowing it is not only applicable towards products in store (as John was insinuating) I declined, feeling decidedly like John was trying to take advantage of me and the lack of knowledge I may have about current Verizon promotions.
Friday 10/31/2014 –Full Day with Droid Turbo #1
Used Turbo Unit 1 for 24 hrs, after charging to full. My battery drained unusually fast, so that I was getting less than 20 hours on the battery. I took screenshots of my battery reports during two full discharges to demonstrate to reps that the battery was in fact underperforming, knowing that evidence would be useful because it is hard to just look at a phone and tell it has a battery issues.
Saturday 11/1/2014 – Return Turbo #1 for Turbo #2
11am- Returned to Verizon store. I worked with sales associate “Ross” and brought my concerns to his attention. He also frequently made furtive trips to have whispered discussions with Andre, who I assume is his manager, throughout our conversation about my wanting a replacement unit. They did a “test” on my phone in which they just opened up a call and let it sit for 15 minutes, then said “oh it looks like it drained normally.” As if they know, on a phone that is literally 2 days old. I could tell they were bullsh*tting me, they had no interest in looking at the battery data I had saved on the phone demonstrating the VERY fast discharge, and when I expressed my displeasure, Ross again went and had another whispered conversation with Andre, and he came back and said “we want to help you out….” He proceeded to tell me that they would replace the unit for me. He then went into the back and came out with a box in one hand and another Droid Turbo unit in his other hand—I never saw him take it out of the box. He switched my sim card into the unit he brought from the back, and said I had to keep my current box/etc and did not give me the matching box with the unit. Here is the first time I have a unit that doesn’t match my box/IMEI number information. This is despite me requesting the box to keep the serial numbers consistent.
Saturday 11/1/2014 – Later that Day with Turbo #2
When I get Droid Turbo #2 home and start using it that evening in low light conditions, I see that there is a noticeable change in color from the top left to the bottom right of the screen. It was evident in multiple apps, and although subtle, is very apparent when you utilize a graphic designed to test color and brightness consistency on a display. (I used Display Test app, “viewing angle graphic” which demonstrated clearly the screen was not uniform.) I make plans to go in on Sunday and have it exchanged for a unit with consistent color reproduction.
Sunday 11/2/2014 – 11am. – Returning Turbo #2 for Turbo #3
I return to Verizon for the 3rd time in 4 days. At this point, I am feeling decidedly emotionally raw from my previous experiences in which I felt that employees had ZERO interest in what I had to say or show them. I explain that I’m here to have my device replaced because the screen color is not uniform. They immediately get General manager Steven S. to deal with me, and after taking a cursory glance at my unit underneath glaring overhead can lights at the front desk (where you can hardly see the screen anyways) tells me “He doesn’t see a problem.” I am detecting barely contained hostility at this point—I feel that the employees have labeled me as a “problem” to be dealt with. Another employee, Matthew, hovers nearby the entire time I’m dealing with Steven, making me feel even more ganged up on and adding non-helpful comments from time to time. At this point they have made no effort to get any information from me. I needed to tell them that the flaw is visible in dim light, when the screen brightness is turned down lower, and how you can see it in certain apps, etc, but they took a defensive posture from the beginning as though they had already decided I was wrong.
After nearly 90 minutes standing at the counter arguing in front of MANY CUSTOMERS IN THE STORE, that there was a flaw that CAN BE PERCEIVED, I plead for them to just LOOK more closely at what I’m trying to show them. I am at my wit’s end at this point, ready to cancel my contract.
Steven S. finally goes to get a magnifying instrument resembling a jeweler’s loupe, and looks at the test graphic that clearly shows the non-uniform screen through it. HE AGREES THAT HE CAN SEE THAT THERE IS A NON-UNIFORMITY IN THE COLOR REPRODUCTION ON THE SCREEN!!! This is an important point, because later on I am told that “there was no defect found on the units I returned” by Solutions manager Jeff.
Steve S. agrees to replace the unit as defective and tells me Matthew will get my replacement. Matthew then goes into the back and does not emerge for nearly ten minutes. Just to get my unit from the shelf? When he comes out of the back, again, he is holding another turbo unit in one hand, and the box it may or may not have come out of in the other. Like Ross did for my last replacement, Matthew swaps my sim card into the other unit, but does not give me the new box despite my asking to exchange, again, to keep serial numbers consistent.
At this point they could have given me back the unit I had returned the day before and I would not be any wiser. I’m feeling more and more uncomfortable about the lack of transparency in this process, and the way employees at this store are handling my complaints and concerns in general.
I leave the store, vowing never to return and completely emotionally traumatized and exhausted from the process.
When I get home that evening…
…and start to use my Droid Turbo #3….the flash starts to malfunction. At first it just misses timing on a photo every third or so, making photos oddly red and dark. Then, it’s giving an odd “half flash” instead of a fully bright flash occasionally. Solutions Manager Jeff G, sent me text message following up on my customer experience. I responded:
(Mon, 11:31 AM) “the camera flash has been wonky on two occasions, like it isn’t timed right with the shutter..I’ll wait and see how it works out.” He does not respond.
Sunday 11/3 and Monday 11/4 – Turbo #3 Flash Not working at all, periodically.
As I’m testing the camera over Sunday night and Monday morning, the flash stops working completely on three different occasions. Even when set to “always on” the flash has just stopped turning on. It gives a weak “half flash” the first time you try after it’s been sitting a while, then just never turns on again. This happens on and off as I test the camera in various lighting situations. Clearly a malfunction, by any definition.
Again, I text Solutions manager Jeff G:
(Mon 6:49pm) “Hahah crud. My flash no longer works at all. Apparently it wasn’t going to be ok.”
Jeff G responds:
(Mon 7:06pm) “At this point, any manufacture defects needs to go through Motorola directly. We have exchanged 2 devices already for this line we will not be able to exchange out a 3rd device for the same model. If you are still unhappy with this device we can exchange it for a different model phone and we will waive the $35 restocking fee, however, if you feel this is just a manufacture defect you can reach out to Motorola at 800.734.5870 or motorola . com
So according to the Solutions manager , there is a 3 unit limit per customer on models of the same device, despite experiencing manufacturers defects that employees admitted were in fact manufacturer defects?
I respond:
(Mon 7:06pm) “ I didn’t realize there was a limit on manufacturer defects! What would you recommend? Is a non working flash on a phone that has taken less than 50 pictures a manufacturer defect or a feature of the droid turbo? Because I’d love to have your answer on record.”
Jeff G responds:
(Mon 7:13pm) “After reviewing the devices exchanged the manufacture defects that were reported are not currently listed as defects by Motorola as a result the devices exchanged were done as a courtesy as a Verizon customer. Future defects should be reported to Motorola. Again if you are unhappy with this phone we are willing to make a final exception to waive the restocking fee to exchange the device for a different model.”
So, at this point I am insulted and offended. First of all, the devices I returned were not exchanged as a “courtesy”—I had demonstrated and provided evidence, BEYOND WHAT SHOULD EVER HAVE BEEN NECESSARY OF A CUSTOMER YOU WANT TO BE COURTIOUS TO, that each of the devices I exchanged were not performing as advertised. Secondly, he is flat our refusing to honor Motorola’s manufacturer’s warranty, despite the fact that I have had the unit for less than 24 hours and it is in PRISTINE condition.
Can a Verizon employee (Jeff) arbitrarily and retroactively change the terms of your exchange of a defective device? Verizon is contractually obligated to provide you with a device that functions as described, but instead Jeff is saying “basically, we took care of you because you whined about it hard enough.” This is despite the verbal attestation of multiple employees at the location that the defects were indeed noted at my time of exchange.
Tuesdsay, 11/4/2014 – I call Motorola. (Case # XXX-XXXXX)
I take Jeff’s advice and call Motorola- I still want a functioning Droid Turbo. Talk to Tech support about flash issue, they agree to send a replacement unit no problem. They ask me for the IMEI number. This is where the problems created by the employees at the Verizon Store Maple Village come to the surface.
I give Motorola my IMEI on the box (XXXXXXXXXXXXX) —but it doesn’t match my device info in their computers. (Remember how they would not give me the matching boxes with my exchanged devices?)
So we investigate further. Motorola tech has me dial a number that gives me Droid Turbo #3’s internal number. (IMEI: XXXXXXXXXXXXX) I get put on hold…and apparently escalated to Tier 2 tech support because the number I gave them isn’t matching the numbers they should have in their system. Fraud alarm bells have gone off, something about what he saw in the info attached to the IMEE# of my device.
Motorola tells me that the Verizon employees have done something wrong, and perhaps even illegal, in processing my exchanges. He says that I need to return to the store and request a replacement unit, with the matching box, serial numbers, parts, etc. This effects my warranty, and apparently could be related to illegal practices behind the scenes at this particular Verizon store? He’s vague about the details, but says they need to escalate it. He gives me a case number and says I’ll be contacted within 48 hours during the investigation.
In Summary:
I don’t know what to say at this point. I demand as many replacement Droid Turbo models as is necessary until I receive a unit that functions as designed and advertised, without defect or flaw, and not as a “courtesy as a Verizon customer,” but as a “fulfilment of the contractual obligation Verizon has to its customers.” This does not seem to be an unreasonable request, given that I am paying for a product and service.
Update at time of publishing: My camera flash has not malfunctioned in 24 hrs, I don't know if it was just working out the kinks, was software related, or new battery, who knows. I don't. What I do know is I have 0% expectation that I will get a replacement unit, so I'm probably just dropping the turbo instead of risking having an unwarranty-able device with no Verizon support and a potential faulty flash.

Try to get the district manager's contact info - they will be able to help you out.

That sucks man. I do have a couple things to say (I know you're mad and I don't blame you for being mad but just some insight on the phone issues not Verizon I won't back them up) I got the Turbo as well and as far as the battery goes.....the first day it's going to suck. Smartphones aren't going to be perfect out of the box because they haven't experienced real world scenarios yet. Phone's batteries can take up to 2 days sometimes more to become for lack of a better term calibrated. My battery was the same but I let it do it's thing and now I get over 24hrs if not close to 40. Yes I'm concious about how I use it but it performs really well. Also your IMEI# is under setting>about phone>status. You don't need the box. One final thing and I'm not assuming anything but....there was an update that came basically the same day this phone went on sale. Now I don't know exactly what the update was for but it may or may not have fixed some of the problems you were having.
As far as Verizon....yeah they didn't treat you right. I'm sorry they did that to you and the reason for this post was again to help you. I noticed you joined xda just this month so I'll say this. This site does a really good job at helping people with issues/questions with their phones. Sometimes it's better to look around on the site or other sites to see what if any other kind of problems other users are having. I am here everyday to read up on things that I may have missed. I mean I spent $600 on the phone, I want to know as much as I can about how to fix or take care of it. No it's not on us as users to fix the problem of a company's mistakes. But sometimes it can produce better results. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or just to let me know what you think.

Can you just return the phone since you are still in the 14 day return period and get something else?

I dont want to sound like an *** because I have sympathy in wanting a "perfect" phone... but none of the issues you are describing sound like 'manufacturer's defects' to me.
A manufacturer defect is something like: the phone doesnt hold any charge, or half the screen is white, or there is no speakerphone.
"unusually fast drain" of the battery is totally subjective. the screen color issues have already been noted as simply being the result of the quality of the screens in general.
Again, I get you're not happy with the phones, but it may just be that your expectations are too high. the whole sim card swap and holding onto the box thing is wierd though.

rajuabju said:
I dont want to sound like an *** because I have sympathy in wanting a "perfect" phone... but none of the issues you are describing sound like 'manufacturer's defects' to me.
A manufacturer defect is something like: the phone doesnt hold any charge, or half the screen is white, or there is no speakerphone.
"unusually fast drain" of the battery is totally subjective. the screen color issues have already been noted as simply being the result of the quality of the screens in general.
Again, I get you're not happy with the phones, but it may just be that your expectations are too high. the whole sim card swap and holding onto the box thing is wierd though.
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I agree, knowing what I know now about battery new battery cycles, I may not have ever even taken that first one back. In fact, I wish to god I hadn't, because the flash and screen on that one were functioning and consistent (and up to my high standards )
Honestly I am just looking at changing to another model...I just don't think there's another one I want right now, I waited 3 years for the Droid Turbo and I want a good one damnit.

I had some MAJOR issues with Verizon over the past week, spent over 12 hours on the phone with them, spoken with 7 different Reps, until I had enough. I called their Corporate Office......Ezekiel took care of my issues in ONE phone call, AND I was credited for my inconvenience. I've been a Verizon Customer for 8 years, have 7 lines with them, spend, on average, $5500 a year on Service, more if I buy devices (I've bought 4 tablets from them over the past two years my latest being the Note Pro 12.2) and I regularly upgrade my phones out of contract. IF you're having issues again, I'd recommend giving this guy a call, or call their Executive Offices in New York.
I've removed the personalized message and Case Number, but this is the Contact Info for him directly.
If you have additional concerns, please contact me at (770)-521-5633. My office hours are 8:00am– 4:00pm EST Monday through Friday.
Regards,
Ezekiel Fields
Executive Relations

Im perplexed that you didnt just return the phone. There is nothing wrong with our droid turbos but im starting to hate them and i expect to just return them. I dont mind restock fees to get rid of something i dislike

Don't take this too harshly bro but, your being a **** about all of this. If you don't like the Turbo, take their offer to get something else. Otherwise, STFU. They could tell you to piss off but, they are trying to make you happy and you are refusing. They could ignore your emails and calls and tell you you are delusional and let you be stuck with what you have. Here they are though, eating cash hand over fist exchanging phones for you and you persist. If Motorola tells Verizon that your problem isn't a problem, Verizon eats the phone. At $700 a pop, no matter how loyal a customer you are, there is going to come a time when it's just more profitable to let you walk.

Verizon swapping out the phones without visibly removing them from a brand new box, or at least providing you with the original retail packaging, is where I feel Verizon has really screwed up. As a customer, without the original packaging and paper trail, you have no way of supporting any proof of purchase or warranty claims (as you have unfortunately discovered). You also have no way of knowing whether or not those devices are actually new devices. Honestly, given the bull**** runaround they have given you on each occasion, I would seriously not be surprised if each of those "new" phones are actually units other customers have purchased and returned, likely for the same reasons you did. They are probably trying to reduce RMA chargebacks for non-defective units so are betting that either customers perceive faults where there are none, or that some poor schlub will get it and not know any better.
I'd definitely try and get in contact with someone in customer relations, maybe post something on their twitter account, that store is dicking you around.
Otherwise, did you have to pay anything for the phone, or did you use Edge? If you paid something for it, if you did so on a credit card, you may want to contact the card company and see what options you can pursue through them.

Honestly I would just return the phone but not getting a matching imei box after stating your defect is ridiculous. Another thing is that they give you two different ones from the back, what is this? A McDonalds and you exchanging a burger because you didn't ask for pickles. That store is ridiculous and I would take my business elsewhere. I've had a couple instances where I see a problem and they don't believe me and they ask coworkers and they agree because they're buddy buddy and have to be a team. It makes you feel uncomfortable, its not their devices, why do they think returning a phone is a problem. Its not coming out of their pockets, its not their 2 year agreement.
Sent from my DROID TURBO 64 GB

xkape said:
Don't take this too harshly bro but, your being a **** about all of this. If you don't like the Turbo, take their offer to get something else. Otherwise, STFU. They could tell you to piss off but, they are trying to make you happy and you are refusing. They could ignore your emails and calls and tell you you are delusional and let you be stuck with what you have. Here they are though, eating cash hand over fist exchanging phones for you and you persist. If Motorola tells Verizon that your problem isn't a problem, Verizon eats the phone. At $700 a pop, no matter how loyal a customer you are, there is going to come a time when it's just more profitable to let you walk.
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You sound like the employees at the Verizon store I have been visiting--trolly. (Troll-y?) Sorry bub, I'm not going to be intimidated into shutting up about real issues with a product I pay money for, not by you, or the managers at my verizon store.
And here I go breaking my rule about not feeding your kind.

zachtheowl said:
You sound like the employees at the Verizon store I have been visiting--trolly. (Troll-y?) Sorry bub, I'm not going to be intimidated into shutting up about real issues with a product I pay money for, not by you, or the managers at my verizon store.
And here I go breaking my rule about not feeding your kind.
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I work for Verizon on the indirect side (non corporate) in Jersey. They totally violated their own return exchange policy. The reason they did what they did..if my logic is correct..is simply give you a different phone without actually processing an exchange because it will make their internal numbers look bad because of how hard VZW Corp is pushing this phone. I got mine day 1 (also from corporate) and my battery also was not perfect day one..but has gotten better. I know the rep I dealt with personally and know he won't try to screw me. I would recommend going to another Corporate store and explaining the situation to them. Be calm and don't be afraid to turn on the poor mes. Don't be angry as anger is simply reciprocated and doesn't force intimidation like everyone thinks..all it does is make people less likely to help you. Avoid that other store like the plague..now and in the future. Any questions..don't be afraid to PM me.
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dano1282 said:
I work for Verizon on the indirect side (non corporate) in Jersey. They totally violated their own return exchange policy. The reason they did what they did..if my logic is correct..is simply give you a different phone without actually processing an exchange because it will make their internal numbers look bad because of how hard VZW Corp is pushing this phone. I got mine day 1 (also from corporate) and my battery also was not perfect day one..but has gotten better. I know the rep I dealt with personally and know he won't try to screw me. I would recommend going to another Corporate store and explaining the situation to them. Be calm and don't be afraid to turn on the poor mes. Don't be angry as anger is simply reciprocated and doesn't force intimidation like everyone thinks..all it does is make people less likely to help you. Avoid that other store like the plague..now and in the future. Any questions..don't be afraid to PM me.
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Thank you for the helpful advice. I hear what you are saying about the anger! Unfortunately it tends to be the only emotion left behind after being so thoroughly run around. That at bitterness
I shared my post with the Michigan district managers via e-mail. I'm hoping that they'll care enough about the fraudulent employee practices to get involved.

I'm with the others here that have said you are being a douche about this. Sorry to hear your third and final exchange from Verizon has an actual defect. The battery, as you already admitted was a mistake to exchange for. The screen was also dumb. If you can only detect a problem with a screen in low light with the brightness turned down there is no problem. That is a "perfect" screen by manufacturer standards. The flash sounds like a real problem and I wouldn't be happy with the phone you have now either, but the problem is that you have already returned tm2 phones which testing showed to be "perfect" and now those phones will have to be refurbished and sold as such at a loss for Verizon. They have to make the call to stop exchanging for the same device at some point because not only are you costing them money, you are depleting the stock in that store meaning they may lose customers because the phone they want is no longer in stock.
As far as them walking out of the back with the phone out of the box, I would interperate that as them pulling out the phone and powering it on before bringing it out to you to make sure that it is functioning properly. I'm not sure why they wouldn't give you the boxes, but as someone else pointed out, there's no reason you needed them. As far as Motorola saying they did something "illegal", I'm calling BS. That isn't information they would share with a customer. They would simply tell you to go back to the store or they would exchange/repair your device.
To the guy who works at an indirect store, I worked at one for quite a while too and I would like to share with everyone else that indirect employees are not told anything about internal exchange practices. I don't know for sure that pulling a phone out of the box before bringing it to the counter is or isn't against policy, but I do know for sure that that isn't something an indirect employee would know.
My Turbos should be here tomorrow and I hope they're only as "defective" as the OP's first 2...

Everyone is entitled to their own opinions.
I wish i was b.s'ing about Motos fraud investigation--my replacement would be on its way now if it wasn't for this. Tech supp tried to process exchange, ran into "unusual information" associated with my ohones ImEI #, elevated my call to a manager, who asked me more questions, told me verizon employees at the store "really did not take care of me," and that they have to open an investigation into the store's practices, putting my replacement on hold--he said the words suspected fraud. *shrug*

rhouse1983 said:
That sucks man. I do have a couple things to say (I know you're mad and I don't blame you for being mad but just some insight on the phone issues not Verizon I won't back them up) I got the Turbo as well and as far as the battery goes.....the first day it's going to suck. Smartphones aren't going to be perfect out of the box because they haven't experienced real world scenarios yet. Phone's batteries can take up to 2 days sometimes more to become for lack of a better term calibrated. My battery was the same but I let it do it's thing and now I get over 24hrs if not close to 40. Yes I'm concious about how I use it but it performs really well. Also your IMEI# is under setting>about phone>status. You don't need the box. One final thing and I'm not assuming anything but....there was an update that came basically the same day this phone went on sale. Now I don't know exactly what the update was for but it may or may not have fixed some of the problems you were having.
As far as Verizon....yeah they didn't treat you right. I'm sorry they did that to you and the reason for this post was again to help you. I noticed you joined xda just this month so I'll say this. This site does a really good job at helping people with issues/questions with their phones. Sometimes it's better to look around on the site or other sites to see what if any other kind of problems other users are having. I am here everyday to read up on things that I may have missed. I mean I spent $600 on the phone, I want to know as much as I can about how to fix or take care of it. No it's not on us as users to fix the problem of a company's mistakes. But sometimes it can produce better results. Feel free to pm me if you have any questions or just to let me know what you think.
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These are the types of guys that make XDA awesome

I really appreciate the kind words sir. I've always felt this is a place where users are supposed to help each other. And as I have been a person (lurker really) who has used this site since my droid x days I felt the new guy needed some assistance. Again thanks. As far as my on topic point, Verizon didn't help the situation and that sucks but again I feel as users sometimes it's better to try to figure out the problem yourself cuz when you add more people to the mix it can get sloppy. XDA is the place you can always go for guidance.

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I'm not sure why they wouldn't give you the boxes, but as someone else pointed out, there's no reason you needed them..
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Stop being stupid. When purchasing a new product, you expect it to come with an original retail manufacturing box. That box and internals should match the product purchased, period. Otherwise there would be no point in manufacturers investing time and money into labeling each box with specific serial numbers, model numbers, etc.
Has for the OP -
I had to exchange my Droid Turbo 32GB BN due to a defect as well, though my Verizon experience was much different than the OP during exchange. When exchanging my unit, I was very professional & civil about my complaint, it can make all the difference in the world.
The Exchange:
I was approached immediately upon entering my local Verizon store and greeted by an employee named Jason. I informed Jason to accompany me to the location of the demo display units and personally began explaining to him the differences between devices.
Jason was very hesitant at first, but I quickly produced alternative examples with more detailed information and replicated the issue in real time. Jason at this point was in agreement with me but not fully committed to exchange the device as he had to get manager approval. This transaction took a total of about 5 minutes, from the minute I stepped into the store.
The manager, Jeff, approached the sales counter at this point and spoke briefly with Jason. Immediately the manager began asking the same questions Jason did before hand. In which case I explained to Jeff the same information provided previously with Jason. This transaction took roughly 4 minutes.
Manager gives the go ahead, but before I let him walk away I immediately ask him if they had the 64GB in stock as they did not have it previously. Manager confirms stock, in which I inform him I am willing to pay the difference minus the restocking fee. Manager agrees, Jason retrieves the new Turbo 64GB in an unopened box and begins activation. I quickly ask to see the device and inspect it before he proceeds to make sure it does not have the same issues/defects. Everything looked fine, I give the go ahead. This transaction took 6 minutes.
At this point, while waiting for the activation process, I strike up a nice conversation with a couple of the employees around the counter (as it was slow for them at the time). I bring up the question of how many Turbo units they had sold in the past couple days. The numbers were surprising, around 23 units locally in two days (not including online). They even went so far as to inform me about the limited edition employee version with red metal trim to match Verizon branding and two of the four employees present were actually using Turbos personally.
Activation goes through, I am handed the retail box that matches the unit sold and a receipt with the cost difference. No restock fee applied, only the upgraded capacity valued. They put my exchanged unit in a box, but I inform them to take it out and reset as I did not perform that. They hand me the phone, letting me take care of the reset. I finish reset and complete our exchange.
I thank Jason for his time, we shake hands. I locate and approach the manager Jeff, thank him for his time and shake hands. I do this, so that at this point I establish a connection. Chances are they don't care and I'm immediately forgotten the minute I leave and that is fine. The point is if I have to come back again, I more likely made a bigger positive impact than running in flipping tables
At this point the total time spent from the moment I enter to exiting the store was roughly 28 minutes, chalk it up to 30 give or take.
Sorry you had a bad experience all around, but a little generosity and professionalism can go a long way. (Not aimed at you specifically, don't get defensive)
TL;DR: They did not treat you properly and you have a right to complain.