Please could someone who have the Firehd-8 (5th Gen), and that has now purchased the new FireHD-8 (6th Gen. 2016), could tell us whether it is true or not, that due to the fact that this tablet now brings more memory and also a new processor, the New FireHD-8 (6th) works better and with less lagging?
Just got my 2016 Fire HD 8 and it is very smooth. Better than my Fire 7 but I have never tried the 2015 HD 8. I have read that the new CPU is supposed to be better even though it's 1.3ghz now. Wish they would have went with 2gb of ram but I guess it's cost saving and so next year they can use "50% more RAM" again. It's a nice tablet for $90.
I really hope a good CM rom or stock android rom will come because I really enjoyed CM12 on my Fire 7, it made the tablet so much better than fire os.
All I know so far is Google play store will still install on the 2016 model just as easy as before.
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I don't have the fire hd 5th generation.
But I bought the new one and the speed is very good.
It has a newer CPU (Cortex A53) and more RAM (1.5GB). This Kombination works very fast.
Thanks Davidavdav and Vystrel, for your fast response and information about the NEW FireHD-8 (6th Gen) !
But, Does anyone knows if there is any recent Video Review, comparing the NEW FireHD-8 (6th Gen) vs FireHD-8 (5th Gen) ?
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Just got my 2016 Fire HD 8 and it is very smooth. Better than my Fire 7 but I have never tried the 2015 HD 8. I have read that the new CPU is supposed to be better even though it's 1.3ghz now. Wish they would have went with 2gb of ram but I guess it's cost saving and so next year they can use "50% more RAM" again. It's a nice tablet for $90.
I really hope a good CM rom or stock android rom will come because I really enjoyed CM12 on my Fire 7, it made the tablet so much better than fire os.
All I know so far is Google play store will still install on the 2016 model just as easy as before.
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Vystrel, I have a 5th generation FireHD-8, and last month after comparing it with a Fire7, I immediately realized that the FireHD8 surprisingly worked much slower and also much more lagging ...
So, I hope that now the new Amazon FireHD- 8 (6th Gen), finally work much smoother and faster!
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Vystrel, I have a 5th generation FireHD-8, and last month after comparing it with a Fire7, I immediately realized that the FireHD8 surprisingly worked much slower and also much more lagging ...
So, I hope that now the new Amazon FireHD- 8 (6th Gen), finally work much smoother and faster!
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Yea the Fire 7 is a solid performing tablet, especially with CM12. I have been using my 2016 HD 8 all day today and I feel if it was running stock android or even just another launcher it would be a perfect device for $90. Screen is great, performance is great, but the speakers sound very tinny and I'm not sure if my device is defective. It gets louder than my Fire 7 but I think they sound pretty cheap, some reviews on Amazon's page say they are a downgrade from 5th gen HD 8.
Some users that received their New FireHD-8 6 Gen., have complained at Amazon that the sound is not as good and that volume is lower, than in the firehd-8 5th gen 2015, is this true?"
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Some users that received their New FireHD-8 6 Gen., have complained at Amazon that the sound is not as good and that volume is lower, than in the firehd-8 5th gen 2015, is this true?"
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I have the new HD 8 and the sound on mine is really nice. I did not have the previous versions of the 8 or 10 so cannot compare but have a fire 7 and its leaps and bounds better then that. The issue I did have was a couple of bad areas of light bleed at the top and bottom of the screen. But amazon replaced it no problem and the new one does not have the light bleed issue. Over all for the price its a great tablet. Just need a root for it now....
I got the new Fire HD 8 6th Gen and in the developer options it has the OEM Unlocking option to unlock the bootloader.
Edit: I was able to turn it on and it stayed on, but after the update and going through setting up the tablet up, now its disabled and I cant turn it back on.
I have the hd8 6th gen and its very smooth.
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Shame there's no root though.
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Reverend Kyle here...
I will be doing a full comparison video on the Amazon 7" Kindle Fire HD versus the Google Nexus 7 Tablet once mine arrives (Hopefully on the 14th). Some of you may already be familiar with my previous work with other tablets.
I am opening up the floor to you. What sort of things would you like me to compare?
Obvious ones:
-Physical appearance and dimensions
-Camera performance
-Benchmarks (Please specify which Benchmarks you prefer)
-Audio
-WIFI performance
I truly believe that this will be an interesting comparison between these two tablets. We may have an interesting battle here.
I look forward doing videos on this device as the development starts to take shape.
Pocketability - See how many types of (oversized) pockets either can fit into. At 5.4" width, the KF HD 7 doesn't look to fit into any AFAIK. That would substantially undercut its portability if it needs a bag/purse.
Netflix or Prime HD video - See how either fares with paid HD video content, and the quality. It is called the KF HD, after all.
Wifi - Signal level isn't a good indicator of performance. More effective is a simple distance (w/ obstructions) test: while streaming a HD video (preferably the same source), walk away from the router until video stream breaks up.
Location-based services, incl mapping - See if KF HD uses wifi geolocation to compensate for lack of GPS, and how well it fares. Compare Amazon's mapping service (if any) to Goog's.
App selections of Amazon vs Google's stores.
Can you confirm the performance of the Kindle Fire HD compared to Nexus 7? Gizmodo had stated in their review that the Kindle Fire HD is not as responsive as Nexus 7.
Review from Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/5941095/kindle-fire-hd-hands-on-pretty-impressivefor-the-price
Aside from that, form factor would be a big one. The KF HD has what seems like a big bezel.
Which screen is better would be a big one.
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Can you confirm the performance of the Kindle Fire HD compared to Nexus 7? Gizmodo had stated in their review that the Kindle Fire HD is not as responsive as Nexus 7.
Review from Gizmodo: http://gizmodo.com/5941095/kindle-fire-hd-hands-on-pretty-impressivefor-the-price
Aside from that, form factor would be a big one. The KF HD has what seems like a big bezel.
Which screen is better would be a big one.
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Understandable, there is no way any ICS devices will be as responsive as JellyBean, plus the heavily modded with the amazon interface on the KFhd. But the review made is sound so horrible. Lol. However, the reviewer did say that once you've experience JB you will never find anything lower than that satisfactory, so i think it is not that bad.
Better Nexus
Nexus 7 wins
i feel Nexus 7 wins in portability and design.
Actually I would also like to see if rooted the Kindle Fire HD would beat the Nexus 7 in terms of apps and usability outside the Amazon region, because basically the Kindle is locked inside an Amazon box.
Also people does Kindle Fire HD and Nexus 7 both have flash support?
I say leave rooting OUT of the comparison.
Flash isn't supported on the Nexus 7 BUT I got it to work on about 90% of the videos I tried. The KFHD? Time will tell I guess unless it has been already confirmed that Flash is supported and works.
For the out-of-the-box experience I can't imagine the Kindle Fire HD winning. My girlfriend has the original Kindle Fire, and basically only uses it for reading because she can't use any of her Android apps purchased for her older tablet. And keep in mind that your average person isn't going to want to deal with rooting/maintaining a rooted device (XDA users are certainly not your average Android user). The Kindle Fire HD will certainly be a step up, but it's still primarily a portal for using Amazon-purchased content. It's not truly an Android tablet (unless you root it, assuming an exploit will even be found for the HD).
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And keep in mind that your average person isn't going to want to deal with rooting/maintaining a rooted device (XDA users are certainly not your average Android user).
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Not necessarily. When I bought a Kindle Fire for my wife, I had no intention of modifying the stock software in any way. It was only out of necessity that I even found XDA in the first place, as she wanted me to look for a way to change the wallpapers. At the time, I knew nothing about Android or rooting, but without that knowledge we would be locked into Amazon's uncostomizable buggy software. Of course we could have accepted it as it was, if there were no other options...
Most people want to get the most out of their money, and the stock Amazon software is very generic as far as tablets go. It does have some great proprietary features for people looking for an e-reader and not much else, but most of the people that buy a Kindle Fire want more than that. This is why you see people in these forums of all ages and all levels of technical experience, trying to root their KFs...Amazon really hasn't given them much choice.
And just so you know, we now have three, fully modifed KFs running different ROMs and no stock software in any of them.
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I just sold nexus 7 to buy 8.9 kindle fire only because my main purpose for the tablet is to watch movies. The 8.9 inch has one the best displays out now and 300 bucks. You don't want to spend three hundred dollars on a tablet I would recommend nexus 7. nexus seven is light weight and can do all the stuff kindle fire can do and then some. I owned 8 gig model I am not new to rooting and installing roms with nexus 7 toolkit the beginner could root this tab and unlock it. The 8 gig 200 dollar model and otg cable and you have much storage as you want. Hands down nexus 7 best 7 inch hd.
More concerned about build quality above anything else. My old Kingle Fire was forged from a brick it felt like, could really handle some bumps and bruises. Heard the Nexus 7 just sucks when it comes to build quality.
Nexus 7 all the way. Amazing dev support will get android updates for a while and a tegra processor, so you can get THD games.
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I'd like to see a comparison of color quality. The Nexus 7 is a bit subpar here, greens and yellows look a bit pastel and a slight washed out look. And the Tegra 3 causes an over exposed look after playing many videos (easily fixed once rooted).
http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/11/3317586/kindle-fire-hd-review-7-inch
"The 7-inch, 1280 x 800 display on the Fire HD is fantastic. The IPS, LCD screen looks better than probably any other tablet display I've seen, save for the new iPad. While the pixel density is the same for both the Nexus 7 and the Fire HD (216 compared to the iPad's 264), the Fire blows away the Nexus in terms of color richness, black levels, and general brightness."
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http://www.theverge.com/2012/9/11/3317586/kindle-fire-hd-review-7-inch
"The 7-inch, 1280 x 800 display on the Fire HD is fantastic. The IPS, LCD screen looks better than probably any other tablet display I've seen, save for the new iPad. While the pixel density is the same for both the Nexus 7 and the Fire HD (216 compared to the iPad's 264), the Fire blows away the Nexus in terms of color richness, black levels, and general brightness."
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Yeah, I'm hoping the more this gets highlighted and mentioned, the more embarrassed Google should be and will hopefully apply a software update for the issue (and hopefully it's something that can be fixed with an update).
If you must have a tablet now and intend to root it, get the Nexus 7. It's a sure thing. Don't be put off by the people whining about defects; nobody posts when their tablet is working correctly.
If you can tolerate Amazon's lock-in, get the Fire HD.
If you don't need a tablet right now and do want root, then wait. Buying just released hardware expecting root and other hacks out of the gate is dumb.
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More concerned about build quality above anything else. My old Kingle Fire was forged from a brick it felt like, could really handle some bumps and bruises. Heard the Nexus 7 just sucks when it comes to build quality.
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for build quality, i could easily assume that the kindle fire hd would have better build quality. my nexus 7 has a few problems in the build quality. there are threads in the fourms about the nexus 7 and build quality. when the 8.9 inch one comes out i am definitely selling nexus the 7 and getting the new kindle fire.
I have ordered a Fire HD because despite the Nexus 7 specs, I have personal experience of the build quality issues. I also want decent speakers.
Compared to apple.... Lets face it a 7" HD tablet for a little more money than a new Ipod nano... what a bargain !
Nexus 7 best 7 inch tab out there gonna get fire get the 8.9. The nexus is lighter, faster, more open and i had defected nexus 7 i got replacement in a week and haven't had an issue since. Or might wanna wait check out the surface tablet it might be 200 dollars.
Hello,
I am currently considering to buy either 1st or 2nd generation manufacturer refurbished Nexus 7.
I am estimating that the lowest price I can probably get for 2nd gen manufacturer refurb 16GB Nexus 7 is about 180 (220 probably for 32GB)
Whereas, 32GB refurb Nexus 7 is sold only for around 150 in Ebay these days.
In one word, 2nd gen is definitely a better tablet whereas 1st gen is a better tablet for price (I think).
So...
1. Is Nexus7 1st gen really that horrible?
I have heard lots of complaints about 1st gen N7's hardware.
People claimed that Tegra3 sucks and it lags (Does it lag more than GS3), display has horrible color saturation and color tone, and Tablet itself is too thick compared to 2nd Gen.
But... is it that horrible? (I am especially concerned with the performance part)
2. Does 2nd gen N7 worth the money
Well it costs about $70 more on Ebay.
Do you think it worth the money?
(in some sense, it is 50% more expansive then its 1st gen version)
Thank you for sharing your thoughts!
Have a nice day!
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Also, do you think if I get a 16GB version of N7, do you think I will eventually regret due to lack of storage?
Believe me, buy the 2nd gen.
$70 difference is not that much if you can save a bit.
Suppose it's $10 I spend for lunch, I will not have lunch for 7 days and buy the 2nd gen
Yes it is worth it. Screen resolution, physical size, and internal hardware are all big improvements over the 1st gen. If you can spring for the 32GB over the 16GB definitely do so. I have a 16GB and kind of wish I had sprung for the 32GB.
Yeah dude go with the 2nd. 1.8xCPU 4xGPU. And your going to miss out on this beautiful display (which is the main reason I decided to even buy a tablet)
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The 2nd gen machine is the machine the first gen machine should've been.
2nd gen definitely, with the 32gb. The build quality and crisp screen are worth it alone imo. It has a really nice feel. The only reason I say go for the higher memory is because, if you get a 16gb one, you're only going to have about 8gb of free space. Enough for some, but not for me. Better to have more than not enough imo...
I love mine so much im buying another (lte version when available) ^_^
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Yes go with the 2013 version. :thumbup:
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This type of debate has been going on for a huge amount of threads, but yes, you should go for the new Nexus. Power, display, camera, speed performance, to name just a few. Plus, many flaws erased(though there's no denying the new flaws )
2013, definitely. (Is it unanimous yet?)
Just get the 32gb 2nd generation. Why would you buy an outdated device?
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If you can afford it Go with the 2nd generation.
the performance and screen quality is like Day and night.
this tablet will keep for a long time.
In short, the N7 2 is snappier, thinner, great display, and has a rear camera.
I'm hoping JB 4.3 helps the performance of the 1st Gen N7... it just doesn't manage resources as well. Both are plastic, so build quality is about the same, the gen 2 wins out since it's a little thinner and narrower which seems a little more natural in hand. The displays are small, but again the 2nd has a higher resolution... But only a side-by-side comparison would reveal the difference. Alone both displays are really nice.
I really missed the rear camera. With my Flyer, I had the option to integrate handwritten notes and whiteboard snapshots. The N7 without the rear camera was obviously awkward in those situations. The N7 2 makes it less awkward and makes the tablet a companion into meetings again. Still miss a digitizer for accurate handwritten notes, but I'm hoping this device has better support from the community. Photosphere is cool, and 5MP is plenty for what I need.
As for memory, both support OTG. I use Dropbox extensively. They wireless card readers, but I find hardwired OTG faster and more compact... Unless sharing content with others in which case the wireless card reader is great.
I'm looking for a good BT keyboard and seriously considering the LTE version when released.
It is defenitely worth it.
The 1st gen Nexus 7 is suffering on major slowdowns due to the slow cpu/gpu. Even the Exynos 4 in the S3 is faster.
If you play Gameloft games, you will notice this.
Tegra 3 optimized games are fine though but most non-Tegra optimized games are laggy.
Also, the OpenGL ES 3.0 capability of the Adreno 320 should give you some extra graphic effects in supported games.
Next awesome CPU will be Tegra 4, but the Tegra 3 can already get sent to pension.
Get the new one. Hands down it's better.
Does the 2nd generation Nexus 7 worth the money compared to the 1st generation?
Thank you Guys As I had the similar kind of post going on ....
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=45110121#post45110121
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For a better screen and faster CPU. Why not?
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It all depends on how much you're willing to spend.
I returned my 32 GB 2013 N7 because it just wasn't worth $270 to me. Small tablets are really cheap now, and personally I wouldn't spend more than $150 for one anymore.
Then I bought a 32 GB 2012 N7 for $100 in mint condition from Swappa (take a look, the good deals are out there!) and I'm quite happy with that.
http://reviews.cnet.com/tablets/amazon-kindle-fire-hdx/4505-3126_7-35828167.html
It looks like Amazon has thrown down the gauntlet for this holiday season.
With the advent of this news, how do you think Google/Asus is going to respond with the new Nexus 10?
The one big advantage that the Nexus 10 had over its competition was its 2560x1600 screen. Now that the competition has caught up, the Nexus 10 is going to need another selling point to stay on top.
Is it possible the only way to stay competitive would be to release a Nexus 10 for $350?
And there's no way the new Nexus 10 won't be releasing without a Snapdragon 800 or a Tegra 4. Maybe Asus can stay on top if they offer 3 GB of RAM?
Don't forget that the Nexus 10 also has the whole "it's not a Kindle" thing going for it, too. I'm sure they're out there but I haven't used a tablet yet that feels as fast as my N10, so an S800 or Tegra4 device would have to blow my socks off to convince me to upgrade.
kindle hdx 7" 1920x1200, snapdragon 800, 2gb ram for $229, the same price as nexus 7 v2 but much better cpu and gpu, no rear camera though. If someone could make a cyanogenmod rom for that it would be a beast!
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kindle hdx 7" 1920x1200, snapdragon 800, 2gb ram for $229, the same price as nexus 7 v2 but much better cpu and gpu, no rear camera though. If someone could make a cyanogenmod rom for that it would be a beast!
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Haha yeah, the Nexus 7v2 had a short run as the best small 7 inch tablet, but now the Kindle Fire HDX 7 is a better deal with the SD 800. Same PPI, and maybe better speakers, although I've never heard the Kindle Fire HD's speakers in person so I can't judge.
Flashing Jelly Bean onto Kindle Fires has never been difficult. The HDX 7 and HDX 8.9 are on my fantasy shopping lists if Google doesn't come out with a compelling Nexus 10.
There is always the uncertainty about the bootloader of the new Kindle. If it is easily unlocked, I see no reason not to get the new Kindles, but if the bootloader cannot be unlocked, who wants to be stuck with the Amazon OS.
If you don't mind spending money on your apps all over again.
Fire OS is designed to be completely Amazon inclusive. Their store and services only.
We'll have to see what ROM's become available. Needless to say, no direct Google releases for these ones.
Still compelling though
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And there's no way the new Nexus 10 won't be releasing without a Snapdragon 800 or a Tegra 4. Maybe Asus can stay on top if they offer 3 GB of RAM?
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What makes you think there will be a new Nexus 10 this Christmas season? I dont think there will be.
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What makes you think there will be a new Nexus 10 this Christmas season? I dont think there will be.
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It's all the media hype going on at this time. Either it's happening, or as has happened a few times, it's not.
I love how the majority of articles base their premise all on the same single tweet or leaked inventory screen.
But based on what I hear, yeah it's happening at some point.
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What makes you think there will be a new Nexus 10 this Christmas season? I dont think there will be.
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If Google doesn't come out with a new Nexus 10, then there is no reason for anybody to buy the Nexus 10 until it's refreshed, because the competition will be better. The Kindle Fire 8.9 has the same resolution, a Snapdragon 800, and it's only $379. No smart person would buy a Nexus 10 over it.
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If Google doesn't come out with a new Nexus 10, then there is no reason for anybody to buy the Nexus 10 until it's refreshed, because the competition will be better. The Kindle Fire 8.9 has the same resolution, a Snapdragon 800, and it's only $379. No smart person would buy a Nexus 10 over it.
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This!
The HDX 8.9 would be perfect without ther Fire OS.
However, would be nice if both Amazon and Google added sd card slots.
The new kindle HDX from my search proves it's indeed a beast but I just don't like the idea of Amazon taking out the rear camera from the 7inch model. That is too bad for me. I like taking pictures of anything anytime.
Screw Amazon and their bastardization of Android. Its a huge pita getting rid of the bloat on the older Fire HD I bought my wife. Never again.
I'm really concern about power button, it looks quite inconvenient.
Where can i find the 1600p videos for the HDX8.9's display screen
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Where can i find the 1600p videos for the HDX8.9's display screen
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You don't. You enjoy 1600p webpages and kindle books. Its really useful for reading small text.
Any inside knowledge on these? Opinions on how customizable they will be? I haven't owned a Kindle in about 5 years. Would love to get one of these if I an root it. I know that's unknown now, but anyone want to hazard a guess on whether this one will be rootable and how long it may be before that happens?
You are talking about Fire tablets, not Kindle?
https://www.engadget.com/2018/09/06/amazon-fire-hd-8-with-always-on-alexa/
Look at the spec of the 8th gen, I think Amazon is too stingy. Same CPU, same RAM, same screen, same rear cam. Only 1 new thing is front cam from VGA to 2MP. And good news is the same price for 3 years. One noticeable thing is Amazon start this device with Android 7.1 (all previous were Lollipop) so any hope that the 2016/2017 can upgrade to Fire OS 6.0 (Android 7.1)?
i have an older 7" galaxy tab a (sm-t280) that i use specifically for watching movies on netflix and amazon prime.
it's slow as molasses and frequently has issues connecting to wifi. it's also very un-hackable so there's not a lot i cam do to make it any better. im getting kinda sick of it.
given the hackability of these walmart units, and that they're running similar hardware to the commonly lauded fire tablets, im wondering if i should pick one up as a replacement. was thinking about the 8" model.
thoughts? a better performing unit over my current tabA?
Coming from an older Tab model myself I can tell you The ONN doesn't feel as premium but far better than most "cheap" tablets on the market. I have the 8 and 10 w/keyboard. I also have a Fire 8 (2017). I have the Fire fully debloated and unlocked/rooted. I tend to grab the ONN 8 most often. I actually wouldn't buy the Fire again if I had the option. For the money, I think you're gonna be pleased with the ONN 8!