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LG V10 VS Note 5?

Has anyone traded in the note 5 for the v10? If so do you like it any better?

Yuck. No way. I played with the V10 in store and didn't like it. Too tall, too big.
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IAmReflex said:
Has anyone traded in the note 5 for the v10? If so do you like it any better?
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Silly question but isn't this question better asked on the V10 forum!!!
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Trade it to try more and more. I think you will trade back to Note 5.
V10: not good battery life, too tall, thicker screen edge/bezel, much weaker performance, bulkier because of square corner + tall, 2nd screen not really usefull like S Pen
I also believe V10 has good screen, camera and durable

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I have both. Very different devices. Only thing alike are size, OS and camera
V10 has a weaker processor and gpu, however has much better memory management.
It took me a few days to get used to back buttons
I received my 200GB microsd card and extra battery
Cameras are alike, however v10 is not as "fast" as the GN5, both launching camera and seconds to snap, but has much better features and options in pro mode both in camera (30 seconds shutter) and video. Video recording on the v10 is what Samsung will move to next flagship. Is so far more sophisticated than anything you've seen. Being able to select bit rate, microphone adjustment forwards and back, it's just really good. Also awesome ois on camera and video on v10 but again, you can't snap snap snap snap like you can on gn5. I'm not talking about holding shutter down, either. That you can do. But the focus isn't as fast or. .. something.
I use both for different reasons. I love the spen and amoled screen, but have taken phenomenal night pictures with 8,15,30 second shutter specs in total darkness on the lake with tripod with the v10.
In the hands you can get away with no case with the V10, GN5 no way. Too slippery. The rubber grippy back of the v10 makes me feel secure enough not to need a TPU.
Second screen has its uses, and lots of shortcuts to apps, much like the galaxy edge+. I find the second screen helpful, but too low brightness in the dark. A tad higher, or someway to control it would have been a homerun.
As I said, different devices entirely if you are a Spen user. My biggest complaint other than no notification light (but second screen) is the screen cannot be seen well with polarized sunglasses very well. I did a trip using navigation and needed screen at 100% and still could only see it at certain angles on the v10.
It is very speedy if you haven't used note 5 before, somehow the 4GB ram is awesome on v10. Both are 5.1.1. Even though it's "only" 808 is pretty fast but you will notice slight slowdown on browser. Definitely worse gpu but I was able to play MC5 just fine on it. TEA_SWAT4
Ps there does seem to be a battery drain bug whether it's 5.1.1 or something else but something is keeping wake lock on all night for me for v10. .. might be iheartradio with location requests, probably a bug though. Hopefully will be addressed in marshmallow and with doze.
I forgot one of the most special things on the v10. Audio quality is superb with CORDED headphones. The 32bit DAC is so insane. Not artificial like the note5, it has its own special processor. It's really nice. I moved from Bluetooth in the car to wired for music playing. Sounds great both in ear and in car.

I traded in my white note 5 32gb for the v10.. I feel like it was a great device. Felt comfortable to walk around without a case. Audio quality was good via speaker and even better in headphone.the camera was awesome with manual modes and quality . plus the 4gb if ram and only comes with 64gb of memory without paying additional money down . the secondary screen was not as gimmicky as i thought it would be{looking at you edge plus lol}( found the secondary it to be useful when multitasking on the ui) and it was a tad cheaper then the Samsung Galaxy note5/edge plus , the removables were nice but not a highlight for me... With that said why i exchanged it for a note 5 64gb gold platinum was because a) its gorgeous, how could you not lol. B) lg ux was driving me up the wall with its here and there and everywhere options and meh features c) i didnt like how a case effected its fingerprint usability d)its call quality was a mess e)battery life was a guessing game. f) i have had a amoled screen too long so the screen bleed bothered me more so it was just a itch i tried to scratch

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I forgot one of the most special things on the v10. Audio quality is superb with CORDED headphones. The 32bit DAC is so insane. Not artificial like the note5, it has its own special processor. It's really nice. I moved from Bluetooth in the car to wired for music playing. Sounds great both in ear and in car.
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Do you own high impedance headphones at all? I'm on the fence about this phone. I love the AMOLED screen and I actually use Samsung Pay. Does the DAC sound better than the Wolfson DAC in the n5? I keep going back and forth about trading in the n5 for the v10, but I just can't make a decision.
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darkjedi said:
Do you own high impedance headphones at all? I'm on the fence about this phone. I love the AMOLED screen and I actually use Samsung Pay. Does the DAC sound better than the Wolfson DAC in the n5? I keep going back and forth about trading in the n5 for the v10, but I just can't make a decision.
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In my opinion, I want ( and bought ) a USB/OTG Dac for music. Something like D-Zero MkII for mobility. I don't want to pay some prices to get a phone not good enough, not fit my need.

Check out the v10 at your local mobile store. I have Samsung On corded over the ear headphones. Be aware that I'm not an audiophile, but I think the v10 sounds better. Flac sounds great. But take a song to your local store with your headphones and transfer it to the v10, then play it. Make sure the HiFi is on which can be found in the drop down settings. Also check out the v10 forums on xda, you'll see that hifi can't be used in every application but some people have been able to enable it using developers options.

V10 audio is probably would be better than Note 5, audio on note 5 is amazing as it is, i had the G4 before, in which the audio was totally crap.
I saw the v10, played wth it a bit, as i had G4 i knew exactly the "secrets" of the device, it has the best camera no doubt about that, specially in the night... but in all others parameters outside of sound, the Note 5 is much much better.
The quality of screen, touchwiz is better than LG UI(can't believe i'm saying this), gpu and mainly cpu speed is light years ahead of G4(test performed by running intensive emulator, PPSSPP and playing tekken 6, g4 did very bad, note 5 perfected it), memory management should be improved, can be resolved by custom kernel,external speaker slightly better,s-pen is very useful more than second screen, battery last longer.
Extra and minus point for V10 is build quality, it does not need a case but on other hand it's way too bulky for some.

sledgie said:
I have both. Very different devices. Only thing alike are size, OS and camera
V10 has a weaker processor and gpu, however has much better memory management.
It took me a few days to get used to back buttons
I received my 200GB microsd card and extra battery
Cameras are alike, however v10 is not as "fast" as the GN5, both launching camera and seconds to snap, but has much better features and options in pro mode both in camera (30 seconds shutter) and video. Video recording on the v10 is what Samsung will move to next flagship. Is so far more sophisticated than anything you've seen. Being able to select bit rate, microphone adjustment forwards and back, it's just really good. Also awesome ois on camera and video on v10 but again, you can't snap snap snap snap like you can on gn5. I'm not talking about holding shutter down, either. That you can do. But the focus isn't as fast or. .. something.
I use both for different reasons. I love the spen and amoled screen, but have taken phenomenal night pictures with 8,15,30 second shutter specs in total darkness on the lake with tripod with the v10.
In the hands you can get away with no case with the V10, GN5 no way. Too slippery. The rubber grippy back of the v10 makes me feel secure enough not to need a TPU.
Second screen has its uses, and lots of shortcuts to apps, much like the galaxy edge+. I find the second screen helpful, but too low brightness in the dark. A tad higher, or someway to control it would have been a homerun.
As I said, different devices entirely if you are a Spen user. My biggest complaint other than no notification light (but second screen) is the screen cannot be seen well with polarized sunglasses very well. I did a trip using navigation and needed screen at 100% and still could only see it at certain angles on the v10.
It is very speedy if you haven't used note 5 before, somehow the 4GB ram is awesome on v10. Both are 5.1.1. Even though it's "only" 808 is pretty fast but you will notice slight slowdown on browser. Definitely worse gpu but I was able to play MC5 just fine on it. TEA_SWAT4
Ps there does seem to be a battery drain bug whether it's 5.1.1 or something else but something is keeping wake lock on all night for me for v10. .. might be iheartradio with location requests, probably a bug though. Hopefully will be addressed in marshmallow and with doze.
I forgot one of the most special things on the v10. Audio quality is superb with CORDED headphones. The 32bit DAC is so insane. Not artificial like the note5, it has its own special processor. It's really nice. I moved from Bluetooth in the car to wired for music playing. Sounds great both in ear and in car.
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Awesome thank you for all that!

Zanr Zij said:
Trade it to try more and more. I think you will trade back to Note 5.
V10: not good battery life, too tall, thicker screen edge/bezel, much weaker performance, bulkier because of square corner + tall, 2nd screen not really usefull like S Pen
I also believe V10 has good screen, camera and durable
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Totally agree here.
V10 battery life appears to be bad. Not too much difference between it and the G4 except that the V10 does not suffer from touchscreen issues like the G4 does.

Zanr Zij said:
In my opinion, I want ( and bought ) a USB/OTG Dac for music. Something like D-Zero MkII for mobility. I don't want to pay some prices to get a phone not good enough, not fit my need.
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How did you get around the storage issue? 64GB is nice, but with no expansion, you're quite limited. Not to mention if you have the 32GB version like me.
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darkjedi said:
How did you get around the storage issue? 64GB is nice, but with no expansion, you're quite limited. Not to mention if you have the 32GB version like me.
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I have to disagree with some that has been said.
If I'm not mistaken, both G4 and V10 have snapdragon 808. However big difference, and I do mean big difference, is the RAM. Similar to SGS6 vs Note5. The 4GB RAM just screams in Note5 compared to SGS6 stock, the 4GB RAM in the V10 screams in comparison to the G4.
There hasn't been a game I can't run on either phone. I'm not into emulators and both phones are stock. That said the GN5 does have the game tuner which v10 does not.
GPU is definitely the bottleneck of device for V10, but that's because every 808 I've seen it's paired with adreno 418 which is, if I recall, half the Speed of the adreno 420 found in the galaxy note 4...
Memory management on the v10 is fine in my mind. Camera as I have stated its very good but not as fast. More options.
I have been ruined by Samsung's super AMOLED screens. There really is nothing like them. But competition is good.
Pic I took last night with v10. Complete darkness on tripod. ISO 200, WB 3000, 30 second shutter.
As for storage on note 5, I use this. Keychain adapter. Works awesome

I have had the note 5 since it came out. I dont have any complaints. Moved everything to the cloud, so 64gb is enough for me. I do keep a charger and 10000mah portable charger with me in a bag if I travel and find myself plugging in the note 5 whenever I can, just to be safe.
I recently bought the v10 to give it a go, primarily to see if the camera really is that good. Here are my thoughts:
Screen: not as bright as the note 5 but side by side the whites look better on the v10 (like an old white t shirt next to a new one) and I think it's a little sharper. I switched my n5 to basic mode on display and that looks more normal.
But, the n5 auto brightness is much better IMHO, especially on maps at night.
Speed. About the same. No real world difference for me
Size: n5 smaller but it needs a case so its not much different. I find the n5 easier to hold.
Battery: both aren't getting me through a day. Just as bad for me.
Sound: both are fine. Speakerphones are fine on both.
Software: I run Nova so the only thing I feel different is that I think stock LG email is better but stock Samsung Calendar is better.
Camera. Well this surprised me... I used both side by side, indoors and out, auto and manual... And generally didn't see much difference! Perhaps I am a crap photographer? Since I moved to the cloud, I can view each devices pictures on the other. I found it very hard to distinguish one from the other. I don't do much video so no comment there, but I will say that for point and shoot, the n5 is just easier.
Second screen. Silly for me. Would have rather the device be shorter.
It drove me mad having 2 devices by the way. One minute i wanted to use one, the next minute the other (like changing cases, but more.complicated). In the end I returned the v10. As with every time I do this, my Samsung devices best out the LG devices for me. Loved the v10, but just feel more 'at one' with the note 5.

LG and their color mismatch issue still!
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Can anybody compare the audio quality of Note5 and LG V10? They're talking about the performance of the V10's DAC using different media players at their sub-forum. Does the Note5 have similar capability?
Was able to do some reading here:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=3186790
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Hard to compare without having to two Devices side by side, but from what I've read here and in other places, the dac in the v10 is better than the one in the note 5. The amp is also better from what I've read. But does the note 5 have a bad dac? Nope. I finally have a phone that sounds as good as an iPhone headphone wise, if not, better. And if I play anything other than high quality files, I can tell right away (spotify @192kbps vs 300kbps aac)
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I would have prefered the v10 if it would have matched my criteria:
Amoled
Size of Note 5
another CPU than the 810.
I think LGs software is better. But especially the size turned me off - it was too big for my taste.

S7 Edge sound quality

Hi There,
First time posting here =]
I wanna make a move and ditch that boring iPhone and get the Galaxy S7 Edge.
I was wondering how is the sound output through the 3.5mm port compared to that of the iPhone.
When i plug my iPhone into a headset or my car's aux port, i get a loud and clear output, but when i used my brother's Nexus 5 or 5X, eventhough the output was as clear as the iPhone's, it wasn't as loud.
I was wondering where the S7 falls in this equation.
Cheers!

Wanting to know this also. Having a custom dsp inside hopefully the sound is decent somewhat

Am waiting to know the details as well before I shell out the dough. Everything else about the S7 sounds amazing, so, hoping they have really upgraded the audio dac from S6 era, and meet LG G5s B&O Dac half way if not more.

It uses Sound Alive and it's decent. V4A coupled with Dolby Atmos will obviously be better though.
I can only compare it to the M9 and S5, M9 being my last phone. S5 being my last Samsung phone. I can say that the speaker quality is good and it's surprisingly loud. I don't need to cup my hand over it.

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It uses Sound Alive and it's decent. V4A coupled with Dolby Atmos will obviously be better though.
I can only compare it to the M9 and S5, M9 being my last phone. S5 being my last Samsung phone. I can say that the speaker quality is good and it's surprisingly loud. I don't need to cup my hand over it.
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Does it work system wide ?? Can you verify if its active when using SoundCloud please ??

I plugged in my $30 Xiaomi pistons into my S7 edge, iPhone 6s, S6 edge, Nexus 5x, and Nexus 6. I'm no audiofile and I don't know jack feces about audio quality but I thought I'd have a listen. Anyways here's the differences that I could(n't) tell between them:
The S7, S6, and 6s sounded the same to me. Pretty good.
The Nexus 5x sounds a tiny bit different to me but I'm not sure in what way. Still good though.
The Nexus 6 sounded the worst to me, but it's by no means bad in my opinion. Again, I can't put my tongue on what it is that sounds different or why it sounds different.
Bottom line, S7 edge sounds find through headphones if you're just the average music listener.

idksomuch said:
I plugged in my $30 Xiaomi pistons into my S7 edge, iPhone 6s, S6 edge, Nexus 5x, and Nexus 6. I'm no audiofile and I don't know jack feces about audio quality but I thought I'd have a listen. Anyways here's the differences that I could(n't) tell between them:
The S7, S6, and 6s sounded the same to me. Pretty good.
The Nexus 5x sounds a tiny bit different to me but I'm not sure in what way. Still good though.
The Nexus 6 sounded the worst to me, but it's by no means bad in my opinion. Again, I can't put my tongue on what it is that sounds different or why it sounds different.
Bottom line, S7 edge sounds find through headphones if you're just the average music listener.
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How was the volume compared to the iphone (with earphones)?
Btw is it SD or Exynos?
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How was the volume compared to the iphone (with earphones)?
Btw is it SD or Exynos?
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I have the Snapdragon version on T-Mobile. So I don't know if by volume you meant how loud the phone gets or something else. Anyways I listened to how loud the phones got on max volume and I damn well blew out my eardrums so thanks a lot you poopy face
In all seriousness though, the iPhone 6s sounded just barely louder than the S7 and the S6 edge is a quieter. I didn't try with the Nexus though. Brb I think my ears are bleeding.

idksomuch said:
I have the Snapdragon version on T-Mobile. So I don't know if by volume you meant how loud the phone gets or something else. Anyways I listened to how loud the phones got on max volume and I damn well blew out my eardrums so thanks a lot you poopy face
In all seriousness though, the iPhone 6s sounded just barely louder than the S7 and the S6 edge is a quieter. I didn't try with the Nexus though. Brb I think my ears are bleeding.
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Haha! Sorry about that!
And yeah i meant how loud it can get
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The effects are system wide.

DroidBiteApple said:
How was the volume compared to the iphone (with earphones)?
Btw is it SD or Exynos?
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Compare to iPhone 6s Plus the sound quality from phone jack are about same but Galaxy s7 has better eq setting. iPhone 6s Plus volume is 20 percent larger tho. I mean thro head phone not loud speaker
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How was the volume compared to the iphone (with earphones)?
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And I mean the sd version .

It's 20% less loud then the iPhone through the headphone jack? It doesn't have a loud digital amp then, that is a bummer. I was hoping it could drive a decent pair of over-ear headphones like my ipod can.

IPhones generally are loud out of the box. Most android don't get near as loud. Quality wise, idk about the snapdragon variant but I know Samsung with the exynos pairs a Wolfson dac...the dac in the s6 could handle loudesound but Samsung just didn't make it that loud for Quality purposes
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MDaveUK said:
It's 20% less loud then the iPhone through the headphone jack? It doesn't have a loud digital amp then, that is a bummer. I was hoping it could drive a decent pair of over-ear headphones like my ipod can.
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I'm using a Sony xda-a3 and it can get very loud on Galaxy s7. Not sure about over ear tho

bear in mind that the SD 820 version of the s7/s7 edge will have the integrated QualcommsDAC and I think the exynos version of the phone will use the much better WOLFSON DAC. I have heard both variants through headphones and the exynos version sounds louder and more richer.

The S7 Edge is louder than my last phone the S5. I would say that Samsung improved the speaker in the S7 Edge.
I would have loved to see a dual speaker on the S7 Edge. The other speaker could have went where the headphone jack is and the headphone jack could be up top in between the Sim card drawer and microphone.
I'm not a fan (ascetic wise) of front facing speakers on a phone. Yeah I know the sound would be better but the phone loses it elegance.

DroidBiteApple said:
Hi There,
First time posting here =]
I wanna make a move and ditch that boring iPhone and get the Galaxy S7 Edge.
I was wondering how is the sound output through the 3.5mm port compared to that of the iPhone.
When i plug my iPhone into a headset or my car's aux port, i get a loud and clear output, but when i used my brother's Nexus 5 or 5X, eventhough the output was as clear as the iPhone's, it wasn't as loud.
I was wondering where the S7 falls in this equation.
Cheers!
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I came from the Harmon Kardon M8 and I'm seriously considering trying to find another phone because the audio is so "meh" on the S7. It's about half as loud as the M8, the sound is not nearly as clear. I listen to classical music and have never had a problem until this phone. I plugged it into the audio jack in my car today and had to turn both the car and phone volume all the way up in order to even hear any minorly quiet parts of the opera I was listening to (Fidelio isn't exactly quiet).
The tracks are muddy most of the time and certain vocal timbres are randomly accentuated, overpowering the rest of the track.
I understand that Samsung isn't in the market to satisfy audiophiles with their audio quality, but it's a far cry from acceptable in my mind.
I will say that pop music provides a much better experience as it's recorded at higher volumes, but it's still extremely lacking.
Just to clarify, I tried every audio mode and even tried modifying the decibel levels manually with very little noticeable variation. On the flip side, I tired out the LG V10 a couple of weeks ago and it's brilliant. I haven't heard better audio in a phone. Too bad it's design and battery life is under par.

roycedavies said:
I came from the Harmon Kardon M8 and I'm seriously considering trying to find another phone because the audio is so "meh" on the S7. It's about half as loud as the M8, the sound is not nearly as clear. I listen to classical music and have never had a problem until this phone. I plugged it into the audio jack in my car today and had to turn both the car and phone volume all the way up in order to even hear any minorly quiet parts of the opera I was listening to (Fidelio isn't exactly quiet).
The tracks are muddy most of the time and certain vocal timbres are randomly accentuated, overpowering the rest of the track.
I understand that Samsung isn't in the market to satisfy audiophiles with their audio quality, but it's a far cry from acceptable in my mind.
I will say that pop music provides a much better experience as it's recorded at higher volumes, but it's still extremely lacking.
Just to clarify, I tried every audio mode and even tried modifying the decibel levels manually with very little noticeable variation. On the flip side, I tired out the LG V10 a couple of weeks ago and it's brilliant. I haven't heard better audio in a phone. Too bad it's design and battery life is under par.
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I'm sorry to hear that.
I don't understand why in 2016 we can't get a "complete" all rounded device..
It just feels like we have to settle for an almost perfect device, even though we pay a hefty price for it...
By the way are you using the SD version or the Exynos version?
I heard that the Exynos version has a supposedly better DAC... Maybe an owner can comment?
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I would not compare anything with a nexus 5 (not sure about 5x). The Nexus 5 and 6 were good at performance, but they really skimped out on everything else like camera, battery life (n5), sound, and probably some other things but can't think off the top of my head. Point being, these early nexus phones should be more considered like entry/beta phones for google to help develop their UI and iron out their OS.
Think about it... what's the best way to get real life user data to help develop something quick enough to catch up to their competitors? Build cheap phones with a good enough processor/memory to run their OS.
Don't get me wrong, they are great performance phones, but hardware specs... they skimped... I'm not even sure if they had a stock built in equalizer for the nexus series, but that wasn't really what they were aiming to achieve unlike the HTC series with their boom,beats,dolby,harmon, etc sounds they partnered up with.
Just my 2 cents.

DroidBiteApple said:
I'm sorry to hear that.
I don't understand why in 2016 we can't get a "complete" all rounded device..
It just feels like we have to settle for an almost perfect device, even though we pay a hefty price for it...
By the way are you using the SD version or the Exynos version?
I heard that the Exynos version has a supposedly better DAC... Maybe an owner can comment?
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I agree with you about the almost perfect phone situation. I must say that compared to the phones already on the market, the S7 is pretty amazing. Maybe I am just spoiled from using my M8.
To answer your question, I was unaware there were different versions so I do not know which one I am using. All I know is that it's black and from At&t. It's a 32gb model all stock. Haven't even unlocked the bootloader yet.

S7E - Is it still worth it

After returning my faulty phone, Im looking at a replacement tomorrow... looking at HTC 10 / LG G5 or S7 Edge)... Ive heard alot of mixed reviews about the Edge... really bad cheap sounding speaker, poor battery life.. as well as differences between the ICOCELL and SONY camera sensors..
I live in UK, so we have the European version, which has the EXYNOS SOC..
Do all Exynos versions have the ICOCELL sensor.. and 820 have the SONY... or do they vary from device to device....
Under the Current BTU 601 BPH OS, is there still any difference in the 2 sensors worth worrying about
Thanks all

If the audio is SO important for u, the best of these three is the HTC 10, who has dedicated audio chips for every speaker, the G5 and the S7e use the integrated SoC for audio, and in my experience the S7 sucks so hard in both speakers and headphones (it's like trying to play games with and w/o graphic card)...
THe batery life is indeed good, but remember that depends on use, and actually there are severals threads here to see which exact build gives u better battery life (u can get that one w/o lose warranty if u use odin)
The camera sensor is not dependant of the processor, there are snapdragon with sony and isocell sensors, and exynos with sony and isocell sensors... and as I remember, theres no way to know which one u will get, both a friend and me buy the phone tghe same day on the same place and I got a sony sensor and he got a isocell

Is it still worth it? Definitely but it depends on what your priorities are
Audio - The speaker by itself is pretty poor but I don't care much for it, it does the job if I am showing off a funny video etc and I couldn't care less about playing music out loud on a smartphone speaker. If you ever decide to root, you can mimic the HTC 10 and iPhone 7 setup by having the speakerphone play music, which does indeed make a big difference. Headphone audio on the Edge is good, but Samsung have limited the output power as usual. Again, if you ever decide to root, you can fix this. It's powerful enough to drive my M50x nicely. Still, it is no HTC 10 or V10
Battery life - Good with older firmware (Feb/March). Mediocre with newer firmware (April onwards). The september firmware has good battery drain in active use but the standby time sucks in my opinion. I've stayed on March firmware for the longest time because it has the best battery life. The latest update adds a new gallery that I don't care for and Samsung Cloud which in my limited usage, has sucked lol.
You either have a Sony sensor or a Samsung one. There is a comparison thread somewhere here and quite honestly, the differences between the two are so minuscule that there is so reason to worry about it. http://www.androidauthority.com/galaxy-s7-isocell-vs-sony-sensor-camera-680266/ nothing to worry about

Thanks for these great answers, youve helped alot... as Most, not all, but most YouTube and written reviewers are paid BS
The 4 proirities i look for in a phone are Camera > Audio > Battery Life > Screen Size
TBH, I dont care about the output of a single speaker, as long as it rings/sms loud enough to hear when Im outdoors... Im not that bothered whether its thin and reedy sounding.... however, I do value headphone audio.. I rip in Flac or WMA.. as MP3 is yseless,. even the higher quality LAME encoder is no match for Flac.
Great news on the Camera though... I know on release day.. the ICOCELL images werent great.. but its good to read theyre now equally good

Camera wise, all three devices exchange blows. Anandtech actually thinks the HTC 10 camera is the best, when it comes to raw photo quality. That isn't the entire story though. The S7/Edge still has the fastest auto focus and capture time which is very important with moving objects. The G5 of course has two camera's and I've heard nothing but great things about the standard and wide angle camera. The HTC 10 suffers from blur on the edges of it's photos and have seen many complaints about that. The front camera module on the S7 is fixed focus, so selfies too close can look horrible.
Audio - HTC 10 is king here, no debate about that one. The G5 seems to be a love hate thing with some saying the G5 isn't good unless you have the B & O module attachment. The S7/Edge Exynos is good though, certainly better than the Snapdragon model. If you have cans/IEMS that are hard to drive, an unrooted S7/Edge may be a problem, but nothing is stopping you from testing the audio and sending it back if it really really bothers you.
Battery life - Better than the HTC 10 and G5 even on the poor firmware. Nothing more to say about that here.
Screen - S7/Edge wins here again, plenty of tests show the phone has great colour accuracy etc, well in basic mode it does lol. Screen size of course is your preference.

Why I AM getting the Pixel 2 XL (coming from a 6P)

I understand we all have our reasoning's for and against. Figured I'd get the ball rolling on the "for" party.
-Camera. We don't have many hands-on reviews yet, but dxomark was a good start. Good to hear the camera quality overall is great. It's amazing what Google's software processing and HDR+ is capable of.
-No headphones jack. I'm actually a fan of this trade off for IP67 certification. Less I have to worry about when my phone gets splashed with water.
-Dual speakers are back. Love my stereo speakers on my 6P
-Snapdragon 835 - Would have liked a newer iteration (possibly an 836 or something) to differentiate our chips compared to the S8 which came out in April (6 months ago). It is what it is though.
-Bluetooth 5.0 - Was a must have for me. I do not own a Smart Watch yet, but I'm hoping this resolves a lot of battery life qualms when BT5.0 compatible watches come out.
The price obviously sucks, but that's what happens when you bring a carrier launching partner into play (Verizon). Google has to give Verizon some sort of incentive to sell the phone. Who knows how much profit Verizon makes off each phone.
I also thought Google would have learned to do a multi-carrier launch. That would have been their best form of advertising. I am on Verizon, but I am still getting the phone through the Google website due to their protection plan being cheaper than going through Verizon+Extended Service Plan.
Why are you getting the Pixel 2 XL?

Your reasons sum up my feelings pretty well. I had a Pixel XL and sold it recently in anticipation of upgrading. I got over half the purchase price back, a fair deal I think. The phone was nice, I liked it a lot. The camera was awesome, without a doubt the best I've used on a phone, better than the last couple digital cameras I've had. Unlimited uploading of full res pics speaks for itself. Bluetooth issues seem to have been resolved recently, had some stuttering early on but fixed now. The speakers will be a big upgrade. The battery life was great, I'm expecting the same with the new model. The monthly updates are obviously a bonus. Development is lacking because of the partitioning but the stock firmware is hard to beat especially with the need for more security and pretty much all your personal info on your phone. For years I've been wondering why it is so hard to make a phone that checks all the boxes. This one won't check all the boxes for everyone, but I think it comes close for me.

I need a good phone camera for work, love front facing speakers, stock android with fast updates. Those are my reasons, plus if the squeezable frame works as advertised, will be a bonus.

LIke you, I'm upgrading from my 6P. While I was interested in the original Pixel, there just wasn't enough to justify upgrading. It wasn't the price either. Had they offered the PXL for $399, I still doubt I'd have bought it. There simply wasn't enough to draw me from my 6P, which has been my favorite Android phone of all time. The P2XL, however, did (at least IMO). I'm not a huge phone camera guy, (If I really need good pictures, I tend to grab my SLR.) but having a good camera that doesn't require a lot of thought, but still takes great pictures and videos is no brainer. OIS+EIS on the P2XL is a huge plus in my book.
But really, the things that sold me are the IP67 rating, the squeezable frame (I use Google Assistant constantly -- and a quicker/easier way to activate it has me all giddy), the always-on display, and fast-charging (even faster than the 6P). In fact, if it had been rumored to have wireless charging, I'd have been mashing the F5 button on the website, so that I could get the pre-order in sooner. As for the headphone jack... Well, to be honest, my 6P's headphone jack has never been used. Not even once. Good riddance, I say... especially if it helps with the IP rating. Having said that, I look forward to BT5.0, and hope that, in the future, it will lead to better-sounding audio. I know that there are no (or at least, practically no) BT5.0 headphones out there, but they'll surely come. I also know that initially, BT5.0 doesn't really do anything to improve audio, but again, I'm sure that will come.
Lastly, the bezels. Am I the only one that already has accidental side-activation issues on my 6P? Moving the touch-sensitive portion of the screen closer to the edges actually sounds like a bad idea to me. Edge to edge sure looks nice, but I've always thought it comes with its share of hassles, which I simply don't need. I rather think the bezels on the P2XL are perfect. The P2, on the other hand... **shudder**.

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Same here with the wireless charging. That needs to be a mandatory feature on all phones these days.
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I'm also so tempted to get this phone, coming from the 6P. But the price... expensive. I still have to make the decision.
But it really seems a nice phone specs, great software... plus after the 6P I couldn't go back to single speakers. Hard decision.

Google's trade in program is what did it for me. They are offering $400 back for a 32GB 1st Gen Pixel XL. I was on the fence but when I found out how much they are willing to give for the old phones, I decided get the newer version. My battery life is still great but it's definitely starting to decline. I also have a few nicks on the phone but the screen is still in tact and not shattered.
I've never used the 3.5mm jack so personally, I'm glad it's gone. I use Bluetooth headphones all the time and I'm even considering getting the new Google buds but I'm waiting to see more reviews about them.
I'm also getting more space on my phone which is a plus. I never had an issue because of High Res backups for all your photos but it's always nice to have some extra space.

They could have kept the headphone jacks and still got the IP67 or higher certification. Aside from the lame idea to not include that, the P2 checked off every gripe I had about the original Pixel, which is why I held onto my 6p for this long.

I'm also replacing my Nexus 6P with the Pixel 2 XL. I am not happy about them removing the headphone jack. Otherwise this is my ideal phone. I also ordered the pixel buds, but they're on backorder and will be a few weeks before they show up.

Had a 6P with no interest in Pixel XL. Unfortunately, had a warranty issue and ended up with an XL as a replacement. It's only a few weeks but I don't really like it. The massive white forehead and chin bezels totally take away from the display. I don't like the smaller 5.5 display coming from the 5.7. And the speakers are very weak.
It seems like the 2 XL has resolved the issues I have with the XL. I would never buy a phone with white bezels either. I am very happy with the performance of the XL and especially its camera so the 2 XL should be even better.
The fact that I received the XL as a warranty replacement and the buy-back program, I'm definitely looking forward to the 2 XL. I hope (though not holding my breath) that it will be a bit easier to custom ROM than the original Pixel.

I am coming from a Nexus 6P.
Camera: The camera on the 6p was pretty good. (except for slomo.) Looks like this one is even better. Plus OIS this time around.
Headphone Jack: I 100% dont care about this. I cant even remember the last time i used the headphone jack. I mostly only use my car (bluetooth) or my Bose Speaker (bluetooth)
Bluetooth 5.0: Since ill have this phone for 2+ years glad it has this incase something cool comes along.
Screen: My 6p has a lot of burn in. Esp the nav buttons and status bar. Its starting to drive me crazy. I hope a POLED holds up better then the AMOLED
4G of RAM: I was always coming close to using all my RAM on the N6P

Coming from a 6P as many here are.
I was gonna ride the 6P running Pure Nexus for another year (got mine in Dec 15), but ended up with the beginning symptoms of the BLOD, so I called Google (I purchased the 6P through them) and even though it was 8 months out of warranty, they did me a solid and sent me a refurbished one.
I started reading posts about others who received a refurb'd 6P from Google having BLOD issues on the refurbs.
So I started thinking about other devices.
Then Nate (Beanstown106) dev for PN on my 6P posts that he ordered the Pixel 2 XL, and that did it for me.
Ordered my unlocked, all black 64 gb 2 XL last week. I'm on Verizon, but I prefer unlocked, and Google got my $ since they took care of me on a way out of warranty device.
Looking forward to whatever Nate cooks up for he 2 XL!

Hoping 2 XL screen and cellular connectivity are without issue.
I just received XL to replace 6P and thought I'd keep it but screen has a dead zone across top row apps. 2 XL release is good timing so I'll take advantage of the $410 trade in deal.

Why are dual speakers a must for you guys?
I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?

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I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?
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Not about music but think for many front speakers beat down fire speakers because there is no muting when holding phone. Me, holding XL phone one handed my pinky covers at least one speaker.

My story - have been on 6p for 2 years (almost exactly to the date). The past few months the phone started developing battery, uhm, issues like death at 20%, random crashes etc. Ordered 2xl the day of the announcement. Dual speakers NBD, the camera is (generally happy with 6p's but the better the better.) When listening to music I use the sony pha-1a with good headphones, via usb-c to usb adapter. Looking forward to the 2XL, hope google doesn't do the same thing they did 2 years ago when people ordering two weeks later getting their phones while we suckers wait and wait. And wait. Then drop the order, reorder and get the new phone in 2 days..

scandalousk said:
I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?
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As long as you can hear it is key for me. Many times I'll want to hear a song or video but can't due to background noise. This is not a problem for my 6P but was for every other phone

November will be 2 years with my 6P and I can honestly say it's been my favorite phone to date.
I've enjoyed the dual front facing speakers when I watch youtube stuff, the camera is well above average and I've enjoyed the various custom roms that some very talented developers have put together. The whole experience has been good but it's now time to get something new, especially with the battery starting to do the whole shutdown thing at 30% or so.
The Pixel 2 XL has pretty much everything I like in a phone and while I don't love the cost, I'm doing it anyway.
I don't care about the headphone jack, as I never use it, but I do understand why a lot of people are upset. Sound is definitely better through a wired headset.
I chose the 64 gb version, as it's enough for my uses, but I would have really preferred that the phone had expandable memory. I'll deal with it as I have with my 6P. Going to the 128gb would have brought the cost to over $1000 with tax and that was my breaking point. Lmao!!
I'm pretty excited and wish I hadn't waited until the 5th to order mine as it probably cost me a couple of days. I'm still looking at delivery by 10/26 or 27 so it's all happening.
There isn't a perfect phone as everyone has different desires, but I've gotta say that Google really comes close and I'm happy with my choice.

scandalousk said:
I'm also replacing my 6P with a Pixel 2 XL. I do wonder though, why do so many people care about dual speakers. What do you guys actually do with them that makes them such a must?
I'm not trying to insult anyone, just genuinely curious.
I mean, phone speakers sound terrible in general right... So, I sometimes use them to watch a quick YouTube video, or a quick audio file where audio quality doesn't really matter too much. A single speaker would have sufficed as long as you can hear it.
But if you listen to music, wouldn't you use a quality Bluetooth speaker or quality headphones? Same with movies right? I mean I just assume these are scenarios where quality of the audio matters.
Any insight on this?
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After having stereo sound for years using a stereo mod on a Nexus 5 and having stereo speakers on the 6P, I cannot stand watching videos or playing games in landscape with a single bottom firing speaker. It's literally my only gripe about the Pixel XL I'm trading in for the 2 XL.

Headphone Adapter Quality?

How is the headphone adapter that comes with the 6T? As much as I don't want to purchase the 6T because of the lack of headphone jack, it doesn't really make sense to get the 6 because there's no price reduction.

You should check around, the 6 is going for $439..
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I don't want to buy from those sites though. There's no warranty according to OnePlus. My 5T has some hardware issues with the GPS, charging port, and modem and it isn't a cheap fix.

Sound is average, If you really care about Audio Quality their is better devices out there.

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What about this delay and battery life talk? Does that mean if I'm watching a video, the sound is delayed so it's out of sync?

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What about this delay and battery life talk? Does that mean if I'm watching a video, the sound is delayed so it's out of sync?
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I dont get a delay watching videos. I tried using bluetooth headphones and that was awful, PUBG was unplayable as there was a nearly second delay between action and sound with those, but the wired are fine thru the dongle. WHat I would say is that volume seems to be a little lower than I was expecting, but I've read that some dongles are better than others for that, e.g. the previous version of the pixel included dongle
And battery life is stellar, I'm a heavy user with 2 sims, and Im comfortably getting 2 days use out of a charge. Im really impressed with the phone so far after a week of use

Using UE900 IEMs, i have no issues with the audio quality. Can't really hear much of a difference between this and a Galaxy S7 Edge (wasn't the best audio output ever, so...). Source was Downloaded Spotify Premium content in highest quality.
Oneplus 6t can go louder however.
Before the S7 Edge i had an HTC One M8, with a fairly decent audio output (and low output impedance), i think it was slightly better, but yea. After a while, you simply get used to it, and don't hear anything wrong.
I have no issues. But i'm not someone who sits there in cramps trying to analyze every single Tone in existence just searching for any little Mistake. I put headphones on, and walk whereever i need to go, if i'm going anywhere without Car. Simply enjoy some music while on the go. Nothing more, nothing less. Anything else (in my opinion, when "on the go" at least) would've nothing to do with enjoying music anymore, if you focus your whole brain into analysing the audio quality everytime you listen to something. For comparisons early yea, but after that, it would not make much sense.
If you're the first kind, you might probably be happier with an LG Phone with their Quad DACs. Otherwise, especially if you use some cheaper headphones / IEMs, the only bad thing worth mentioning will be the "adapter-handling".
Audioquality however, is just fine. Not the best you could get. But good enough so there is no noise or whatever.