Unlocking 4k video recording - Sony Xperia X Compact Questions & Answers

I just read the x compact review on gsmarena and it says:
There is no 4K video recording - it's reserved for the high-end Xperia XZ. Just like on the other X's, it's not a chipset limitation - the S650 is fully capable in this respect - it most probably was a marketing decision.
Does that mean that theoretically it's possible to record 4k videos IF a developer looks into it and, let's say, ports the XZ camera? Basically, is it a software or hardware limitation?

charliebigpot said:
I just read the x compact review on gsmarena and it says:
There is no 4K video recording - it's reserved for the high-end Xperia XZ. Just like on the other X's, it's not a chipset limitation - the S650 is fully capable in this respect - it most probably was a marketing decision.
Does that mean that theoretically it's possible to record 4k videos IF a developer looks into it and, let's say, ports the XZ camera? Basically, is it a software or hardware limitation?
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well if you search this about xperia X there are some possible ways to enable 4k recording and also many have reported that other third party camera apps have the 4k option in video settings and its only disabled in stock sony camera app
but the problem is that the phone temperature might not allow us to record 4k and might damage the phone as Xperia X reportedly had issues even on 1080p recording!

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[Q] 720p video recording mod?

I'm just wondering is there a way to make the xperia play record 720p? I know in the past people have done it with the nexus one. Also the arc and neo both records hd 720p, anyway to take that and implant into the xperia play?
I think SonyEricsson will let it be able to record 720p into the next update
Same how happened to the X10
but play doesn't even have the ability of changing focus.......
I don't think SE will enhance any camera ability of play......
It may reduce the sale of Arc or Neo..........
Same goes for the Bravia Engine, almost the same.
It’s absolutely inacceptable not to assemble it.
Is there any news on this?

4 k video recording?

4k recording is on lte not in 3g.is it true?
if 3g version dosnot have 4k recording then ..there will b patch to record 4k records?let me know
Snap Processor - LTE & 4K recording
Octa Processor - More Ram & 4 Cores but no LTE or 4k
It boils down to processors not 3g
Nope, there will never be any patch. Hardware limitation.
BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.
CLARiiON said:
BTW, do you have a 4K TV or a monitor? If not, I find it hard to understand why would you need a 4K. If you have a 4K display, then it makes sense for you.
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May be he has. May be does not. Who cares? Let technology spread out. Otherwise we would have stuck with 3GP and low bitrate MP4s.
I totally agree 4k content atm really rare but so did 1080p. Did people sat idle and stuck with 3GP recording in the fear that OMG! 1080p is so huge!!!!!!! I would not buy a 64 GB card for that.
4k is a nice addition. And to your other point-before 1080p displays came out all the 720p display like S3 were able to shoot and playback 1080p. Did anyone question why 1080p on a 720p native display? No.
I have seen two 4k samples and yes I am excited. Specially from the phonearena sample the moving tree leaves looked outstandingly crisp. And if I am the one out of 10 million people who cares about 4k it wont stuck with me forever. With more devices gonna have 4k native [already started to] display and storage like 128 GB 4k will become regular thing. And to be regular stuff like 1080ps or 720ps initiatives like this will naturally occur.
People just cannot keep other people discouraged from a nice tech evolution. If they would succeed people would never move beyond 2 GB memory card and low bitrate 3GP or .rmv video contents and shoot straight out the people who consume ogg music files.
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4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it
i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
have a look
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EXiWGD18N3c
Costco had a 4k TV playing the same movie as a 1080p TV and I could genuinely tell the difference. But unfortunately my wallet is a bit too small to early adopt the 4k TV's right now
I'm as much for future-proofing as anyone else here. But where is 4K content coming from and how's it being delivered? Content upscaled to 4K (EG: HD TV/Movies originally captured in 720/1080P) aren't going to look any better than they would on a 720P/1080P TV or monitor. They’ll most likely look worse. 4K content is huge. All the ISPs are already *****ing about what video's doing to their networks. How long did it take for Blu-Ray to become a standard? And the only Blu-Ray that looked good was what was natively captured in HD not the upscaled crap like 50's I love Lucy episodes. So for 4K to become meaningful content producers need to start capturing in it. That 'aint gonna be happening fast as the only ones that benefit from 4K as it stands are the TV manufacturers and they aren't significant enough in the food chain to drive standards forward. So we'll probably all be on the Note 4 (and more likely the N5) when UHD (4K) gains any real traction. Because traction requires native content.
So would I want 4K in the N3? Sure, who wouldn't want extra "cool" stuff for the same price. Would I ever use it to record anything? No, the files are huge and would have to be downscaled to my 1080P TVs, monitors, and devices making natively captured 1080P look better anyway. Am I going to run out and buy 4K playback devices? Absolutely. As soon as at least 1/3 of the content I playback is available in UHD.
An interesting article...
http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-33199_7-57566079-221/why-ultra-hd-4k-tvs-are-still-stupid/
nabilsweet007 said:
i have seen the video comparison b/w 4k n 1080p..too much difference..thats y i like 4k..too much detailed in 4k
have a look
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Wow 4k looks really nice. Phonearena posted the sample 4k video but it was useless because youtube converts it to 1080p. The native 1080p video that they posted looked better than 4k on youtube. I can't wait to use 4k. It might not be every time I go to record something but if I love being able to have that option.
sohebq said:
4k video was just a gimmick I feel. If you dont have device to play 4k content like pc or Tv, there is no point of 4k. Its good that Asians won't get it
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It amazes me how short-sighted some people are to say stuff like that. You and Clariion, 2 posts above you, as well as many other people in different threads...Videos, recorded with your phone's camcorder are memories for life. Do you record something only to watch it right away and be done with, never watch it again? 20 years ago, when there was only VHS available - if someone offered you a device, which can record video in DVD quality, would you say "no" to that, because your current TV can only play VHS resolution?...
You're saying "I don't want to record much better quality video just because right now I don't have a TV, that can play it." . In a few years 4k TVs will be a standard in every house, and you'll be watching your wedding's video in sh*itty 1080p, because you chose not to get 4k camcorder just because you didnt have a playback device for it at the time...
I can't believe some of you don't see the benefits of 4k even if you plan on never getting a 4k TV. While recording in 4k, just your ability to digitally zoom while maintaining excellent quality should be worth the feature being present. It's basically lossless digital zoom (up to a point of course.) I can't imagine anyone not wanting that.

Some Queries Regarding E7

Hello All,
Can you answer my few queries. The camera of the phone is said to record 4k video and 1080 videos @60fps but the phone is only capable of recording 1080p @30fps. Since the note 3 with same specs can record 4k videos is it possible via software upgrade or something like that to make our camera record 4k videos.
Can Kernel source itself is enough as the base for custom rom development.??
GTARaja said:
Hello All,
Can you answer my few queries. The camera of the phone is said to record 4k video and 1080 videos @60fps but the phone is only capable of recording 1080p @30fps. Since the note 3 with same specs can record 4k videos is it possible via software upgrade or something like that to make our camera record 4k videos.
Can Kernel source itself is enough as the base for custom rom development.??
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The camera makers said that the camera is capable of capturing 4K videos but the Elife e7 cannot capture because the company hasn't provided that matching software which does it. May be that is for the future updates or flagship devices. The max you can record is 1080p at 60fps.
chetanbhawani said:
The camera makers said that the camera is capable of capturing 4K videos but the Elife e7 cannot capture because the company hasn't provided that matching software which does it. May be that is for the future updates or flagship devices. The max you can record is 1080p at 60fps.
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what do u mean by matching software it has got all the libs required foolish gionee ppl and provided libs for several omnivision sensor libs to our device..how can u record 1080p @ 60fps its 30fps only...4k is not possible till now as it uses the android camera api which has maximum of 1080p recording capabilities note3 and xperia z2 have their own api for this so they can record 4k videos

4k video Z2 feature carry to Z1 ?

Hi everyone
Does the 4K vidéo recording and other camera features of the Z2 will be carry on Z1 ?
thanks a lot
nightbringer87 said:
Hi everyone
Does the 4K vidéo recording and other camera features of the Z2 will be carry on Z1 ?
thanks a lot
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It's a hardware feature,
4K means 2160p or 4K pixels.
Z1 only records in 1080p and its maximum pixel for recording in its lens is 1080p, so 4k in Z1 is impossible.
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f_u_006 said:
It's a hardware feature,
4K means 2160p or 4K pixels.
Z1 only records in 1080p and its maximum pixel for recording in its lens is 1080p, so 4k in Z1 is impossible.
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But it's exactly the same hardware with the same camera and the S800 of the Z1 is able to record 4k ... that's why i ask about it
f_u_006 said:
But some changes are made and the Video recording lens is replaced!
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That's only a software issue and i think that Sony can introduce 4k in Z1 ...
Dudes look at this http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=50673925
That makes no sense that we are capped at 1080p. If the camera can take 20mp images that the lens and hardest are there to capture it. The hardware to push it to memory fast enough is a different story.
For reference http://web.forret.com/tools/megapixel.asp?width=14384&height=14384
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According to Qualcomm, the new 801, not sure which 801 variant, has h.265 support built in, HEVC
http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/801
This is missing in the Z1, and therefore any official support for 4k video from sony will probably not occur, unless they decide to use h.264 for 4k, but then files will be rather large. If the 4k on the Z2 is dependent on h.265 support I am not sure how easy it can be ported over to the Z1. Yes the S800 does have ultraHD support for playback and capture, so perhaps 4k capture will be ported over or even possibly added by Sony, but I wouldn't hold out on the latter.
ascariss said:
According to Qualcomm, the new 801, not sure which 801 variant, has h.265 support built in, HEVC
http://www.qualcomm.com/snapdragon/processors/801
This is missing in the Z1, and therefore any official support for 4k video from sony will probably not occur, unless they decide to use h.264 for 4k, but then files will be rather large. If the 4k on the Z2 is dependent on h.265 support I am not sure how easy it can be ported over to the Z1. Yes the S800 does have ultraHD support for playback and capture, so perhaps 4k capture will be ported over or even possibly added by Sony, but I wouldn't hold out on the latter.
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z2 does not suport h.265 encoding according to sony white paper: http://dl-developer.sonymobile.com/documentation/whitepapers/Xperia_Z2_D6502_D6503_D6543_WP_1.pdf
its exactly like z1 and z1 compact:
http://dl-developer.sonymobile.com/documentation/whitepapers/Xperia_Z1_Compact_D5503_WP_4.pdf
so this shouldnt be a problem
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f_u_006 said:
It's a hardware feature,
4K means 2160p or 4K pixels.
Z1 only records in 1080p and its maximum pixel for recording in its lens is 1080p, so 4k in Z1 is impossible.
Hit thanks if this helped you!
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dude do you realise the amount of trash you just said?
first - z1 camera sensor and lens are the same as z2
second - according to your logic the lens cant capture more than 1080p videos (2mp), but it can take 20.7mp pictures. how is that possible haha
@OP: the only diferences are the S801 clocks that are a little bit higher than s800, and 1GB of extra ram that z2 have. but i dont think this should be a problem, since any S800 chipset has the ability to do 4k recording and GS5 and Liquid S2 have 2GB of RAM and also record 4K 30fps (it doesnt suport video stabilization though)
pepeo123 said:
z2 does not suport h.265 encoding according to sony white paper: http://dl-developer.sonymobile.com/documentation/whitepapers/Xperia_Z2_D6502_D6503_D6543_WP_1.pdf
its exactly like z1 and z1 compact:
http://dl-developer.sonymobile.com/documentation/whitepapers/Xperia_Z1_Compact_D5503_WP_4.pdf
so this shouldnt be a problem
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dude do you realise the amount of trash you just said?
first - z1 camera sensor and lens are the same as z2
second - according to your logic the lens cant capture more than 1080p videos (2mp), but it can take 20.7mp pictures. how is that possible haha
@OP: the only diferences are the S801 clocks that are a little bit higher than s800, and 1GB of extra ram that z2 have. but i dont think this should be a problem, since any S800 chipset has the ability to do 4k recording and GS5 and Liquid S2 have 2GB of RAM and also record 4K 30fps (it doesnt suport video stabilization though)
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that's a shame, why would sony opt for h.264 4k encoding when the 801 has native support for h.265?
4K is useless on a smartphone with little lens
It pumps up the resolution but the quality remains substantially the same
It could be introduced via software and currently the only real benefit would be to fit better on a 4K display without upscaling processing
The problem is the potential lag because the hardware (CPU, GPU, less RAM), but it should be ok (the differences are minimal)
I'd like to see implemented timeshift video on Z1
ascariss said:
that's a shame, why would sony opt for h.264 4k encoding when the 801 has native support for h.265?
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actually, the s801 and s801 only differ in terms of clock speeds. only S805 has h.265 hardware decoder and i am not sure if it even has a hardware encoder
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Z5 Premium not really a 4k phone

Why is it that no one has reported that the 4k resolution on the Z5 premium is only 4k when playing or filming 4k video. At all other times i.e 99% of the time, the device has normal resolution. I think its misleading by Sony regarding the way they have advertised the product. If I buy a 4k phone as Sony has described the Z5 premium, I am more interested in my home screen, normal apps and text messages etc being 4k resolution rather that the ability to film 4k video. Its not that I need such resolution for these but merely the principle.
So you'd rather have a battery that will last you for half the day? Because there's no way around it that the Premium is the first 4K phone, and Sony really played it smart where it won't be a flop by adding smart software that enables 4K when it's needed.
No I'd rather Sony did not push the Z5 as a 4k phone when it isn't. I would have bought it for the screen size alone. The BS about it being a native 4k screen is poor customer service. If battery will be an issue they should have put a bigger battery in. it's thick enough.
What I am also puzzled about are all these journalists with their previews and hands on reviews stating how the screen is great or that they can't tell the difference from a normal phone. Did these chumps not know that's because it isn't a 4k screen most of the time.
They did put 4k resolution hardware they just did not used due to fact that it is little difference or make no difference on 2k. Their might be possible to to change resolution if you root and develop ui.
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Ukbondraider said:
No I'd rather Sony did not push the Z5 as a 4k phone when it isn't. I would have bought it for the screen size alone. The BS about it being a native 4k screen is poor customer service. If battery will be an issue they should have put a bigger battery in. it's thick enough.
What I am also puzzled about are all these journalists with their previews and hands on reviews stating how the screen is great or that they can't tell the difference from a normal phone. Did these chumps not know that's because it isn't a 4k screen most of the time.
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That's really no different than a 4k TV.
Unless you're watching specific 4k content on your TV, you are looking at 1080p/720p resolution. User interfaces on 4k TVs generally aren't 4k because there is no point. That dosen't make the screen NOT 4k, or the Z5P's screen NOT 4k. It's just that you have to be watching 4k content to actually see it at the proper resolution. That's how all 4k devices are, and they are all advertised as 4k, and rightfully so.
I mean I don't know what you expect... you want the browser/texting to be 4k? What's the point of UHD aside from watching videos? None of the websites you visit will be in 4k aside from when you're watching videos. Sony did the right thing here in utilizing the 4k screen for videos/pictures. There would be no point in having a 4k home screen since it would just drain a ton of battery
Are the journalists reading this site or is it a coincidence that articles about the lack of 4k on the Z5 premium now start to roll out a few days after my post. Am surprised this was not reported on day 1.
interesting
Ukbondraider said:
Why is it that no one has reported that the 4k resolution on the Z5 premium is only 4k when playing or filming 4k video. At all other times i.e 99% of the time, the device has normal resolution. I think its misleading by Sony regarding the way they have advertised the product. If I buy a 4k phone as Sony has described the Z5 premium, I am more interested in my home screen, normal apps and text messages etc being 4k resolution rather that the ability to film 4k video. Its not that I need such resolution for these but merely the principle.
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Your point is absolutely no-point. The phone is 4K phone because it has native 4K display. That the UI (applications etc.) are not native 4K is just because there is absolutely no point rendering user interface at 4K. The point is that th phone is capable of natively displaying 4K content. User Interface is not 4K content and there is a good reason behind it.
How about this article? Does it help?
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5_premium_4k_display_under_our_microscope-blog-13887.php
My point is that 4k TV/video is not here yet. There is no content. So the 4k video feature is pointless. I don't give a monkeys about the ability to record or view 4k video.
However what a 4k screen provides is better overall picture quality. Whilst the improved ppi will not be noticeable, 4k produces better colours and brightness. This is the feature of the 4k screen that I would be interested in. At the end of the day the Z5 premium is no better than my current Z3. It definitely looks uglier than the Z3.
Funny thing is, Nobody ever complained when their phone's CPU are running on 600mhz on idle when the spec sheet is 2.3Ghz. smh
hansip87 said:
Funny thing is, Nobody ever complained when their phone's CPU are running on 600mhz on idle when the spec sheet is 2.3Ghz. smh
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You want the phone to run at 2.3GHz when it's idle. Why?
Seems you don't get my /s implicitly there.. :/ the 4K situation looks a lot like CPU speed. It can be pushed to max but it doesn't have to be activated all the time. But here we are, people are complaining for such reserve as a drawback.
ondrejvaroscak said:
Your point is absolutely no-point. The phone is 4K phone because it has native 4K display. That the UI (applications etc.) are not native 4K is just because there is absolutely no point rendering user interface at 4K. The point is that th phone is capable of natively displaying 4K content. User Interface is not 4K content and there is a good reason behind it.
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This about sums it up.
hansip87 said:
Funny thing is, Nobody ever complained when their phone's CPU are running on 600mhz on idle when the spec sheet is 2.3Ghz. smh
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Because the OP wants 4k to run all the time.... He isn't thinking the clever mind who thought of 4k for videos and pictures only.....
I suppose he also wants the CPU to run at 2.1ghz all the time ... And the ram.... It's stated 4gig but available would be around 3.8gig.... Let's crib for that as well
Ukbondraider said:
My point is that 4k TV/video is not here yet. There is no content. So the 4k video feature is pointless. I don't give a monkeys about the ability to record or view 4k video.
However what a 4k screen provides is better overall picture quality. Whilst the improved ppi will not be noticeable, 4k produces better colours and brightness. This is the feature of the 4k screen that I would be interested in. At the end of the day the Z5 premium is no better than my current Z3. It definitely looks uglier than the Z3.
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Uhh what? There absolutely is 4k content. In fact, I'm watching Breaking Bad in 4k on Netflix as we speak. Lots of major streaming services are getting 4k content and there is more and more every day.
Are you upset that TV manufacturers are advertising TV's as 4K even though most content watched will currently be 1080p/720p? The TV UI's are generally not 4K. How is that different?
And just like TV's, Sony has claimed that the phone will upscale 1080p content, so it should produce better color and brightness, although who knows how noticeable it will be w/ such a small screen?
We always can see whether the panel is 4K by playing a 4K video from youtube. Like it should give the option to switch between the qualities, Am I not right?
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Why is it that no one has reported that the 4k resolution on the Z5 premium is only 4k when playing or filming 4k video. At all other times i.e 99% of the time, the device has normal resolution. I think its misleading by Sony regarding the way they have advertised the product. If I buy a 4k phone as Sony has described the Z5 premium, I am more interested in my home screen, normal apps and text messages etc being 4k resolution rather that the ability to film 4k video. Its not that I need such resolution for these but merely the principle.
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Read this, son. It will play 4K and will UPSCALE image/video content to 4K, along with the other image/video enhancements. That's the focus of the phone, a "premium" viewing experience. The UI will remain 1080p to preserve battery life, because who the hell cares about the image quality of the freakin' UI? Same goes for apps and games, unless (maybe) the game actually comes with 4K resolution, which I doubt there are for now when consoles still struggle with 1080p.
It indeed 4K panel. only uses for Media and stuff.
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_explai...tive_4k_resolution_when_needed-news-14078.php
op shouldnt buy a supercar, or else he would drive top speed all the time

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