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Update on the T-Mobile Vibrant software update

This seems like an internal message to T-Mobile employees.
http://mobile.engadget.com/2010/08/19/t-mobile-tells-reps-the-vibrant-gps-update-is-coming-soon/

cool. More info is good info.
People keep talking about samsung not updating or what not.
I hope these statements proves Samsung is trying this time. GPS fix and froyo and ill be a happy clam..

Yesssssir
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If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
The software update is expected to roll out beginning in September.
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boomerbubba said:
If you squint to read the actual T-Mobile memo -- the first paragraph meant for internal consumption, not the quoted line to be given to customers -- it looks like the schedule for all end users to get the update may slip a bit past September (my emphasis):
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They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"

MMcCraryNJ said:
They say that because OTA updates are rolled out in stages. If they pushed a large update to everyone on their network, the network would bog. Also, this is to make sure the update is tested in "packets" of people, so if there is a problem with the update, only 1 percent of your user base will be affected.
OTAs usually take 2-3 weeks to roll out to everyone. So that is why they say "beginning"
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I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.

boomerbubba said:
I understand all that quite well. Just trying to get people's expectations grounded in reality. We should pay attention to what the memo actually says, not what we wish it says.
Many folks seem to be assuming they will get a "fix" in September for sure. What they can expect is sofware to "optimize GPS performance," whatever that means. And they might not get the update until sometime in October if the rollout begins at the end of September and takes several weeks. If it begins Sept. 1, it could be sooner.
When customers are dealing with 14-day return policies from T-Mobile, these distinctions are very important.
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Well "optimizing" is what needs to happen. The GPS isn't broken, it just doesn't work very well. If it were broken, it wouldn't work at all. It does see your general location, however the performance of locating and tracking needs to be improved. Hence it needs "optimizing".

Actually in my case and a few others, the gps doesn't work at all. Never has a lock despite how many satellites are in view and how strong the signal is.
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It's the last part of the definition that bothers me "functional as possible". If it's a hardware issue then they are probably going to try to make it as "functional as possible" on broken hardware and therefore is not really fixed. We will see....

I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?

mohitmoudgil said:
I am using unlocked samsung vibrant but I am not on T mobile network. So will I get the update ?
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Not OTA. Perhaps there will be a direct dl, but you'll have to wait for it.

I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US

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I heard that i9000 in other countries always update through the Samsung software ONLY,
Do we need it for vibrant too or we have OTA in US
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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.

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The countries that have the I9000 have a different business model than the U.S. industry has evolved. The sales of phones and the sales of cellphone service in Europe are not so strongly linked. U.S. telecoms dominate the distribution of phones, and they provide updates to the firmware OTA. So U.S. Vibrant owners can expect to get an update that way.
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so basically we dont need the KIES (?) for vibrant?

Stupid questions about this issue?
OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...

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so basically we dont need the KIES (?) for vibrant?
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That is correct.

i just called tmobile they said the gps fix is coming out in september

wbexpress said:
OK, I understand that things move slow in the corporate world, but someone please explain? I can understand there may be strategic reasons for releasing FroYo in dribs & drabs, but that will be to make something decent, better. But, does anyone have an opinion about the alleged GPS optimization, from the standpoint of it being ready or not? What I mean is: there's a lot of upset folks NOW because of the problem. "If" the "fix" is ready, why not release it now-ish? Does the target date mean that they're hoping against hope that someone in-house will figure it out by then? I'm sure a developer who knows inner workings of development teams can explain why? I guess the disconnect is: if the fix is ready, and they know approximately when it will be released, are they just doing testing between now and then? How many people times how many times a day times how many days or months does it take to "test" it prior to release? Just asking...
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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.

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Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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Fair enough. I just needed to vent

tissimo said:
Now-ish is a month. The bug fixes that will be rolled into the update are done and the final update packages are being compiled and tested (dont want OTA Bricks now do we?) and being sent to the carrier, this will probably take a week or two, and then the carrier will take the update, come up with a plan and implement the plan to distribute it OTA to users. This will also take at least a week to setup, then about 2 weeks to complete (OTA push).
As you said things take time in the corporate world. If the carrier is getting definite news of the update (evidence by the internal memo) they've probably received news of the update and its delivery date to them now. So a week or so till they actually receive it. With this guess, I'd say we're still 2-3 weeks at a minimum out till the update is 'out', which is beginning/mid Sept, and that is if there are no snags.
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To add on to this, it is easier to add the "optimization" to the already planned update then to release two separate updates. You reduce the load on the network, reduce the chances of OTA bricks, reduced complaints of multiple updates (most users don't like to spend time worrying about that), less overhead of testing and planning each update. It's a lot different than the modding community where we can just say "I'm not responsible for what happens. At your own risk...blah blah blah."

Any news about when will axon 7 get android N update?

I'm developing game for google daydream(their new vr platform) and zte axon 7 seems to be the cheapest android phone that is daydream ready. The problem is that in order to work daydream needs android N. Do you know what are their plans for releasing update on their phones/how fast they did it before?

At a rough guess I'd say that it will be some time after Google eventually release it. I also vaguely remember something somewhere about Daydream not being part of the initial release of Nougat but coming shortly after although a quick search has thrown up nothing.

I'm betting first quarter of 2017. I'd be shocked if it was before the new year.

Everything I've read is pointing to this year for the update they are selling it as "the first daydream phone" and I've read multiple places that they want to get it updated asap.
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Every manufacturer says they want to update ASAP but all of them take longer than they claim.

Imagine if they "rushed" it out full of bugs and things breaking. As much as we depend on these things for life itself, I am happy if they take their time, do it right the first time, then release it! I work in IT and I know from first hand experience over 22 years that you're much better off doing it right the first time then to have to go back and hopefully fix the errors!

Apparently ZTE is part of the group of oems that have early access to the source of this new Android release. As they actively market this phone as "daydream" ready I'd assume they want it to work.

heck until today we had no idea when android would be released (supposedly mid to late August).

I think it will be before November when Daydream will come.

It's really close to daydream release date, are there any news about the android 7.0/7.1 update now?

wojwen said:
It's really close to daydream release date, are there any news about the android 7.0/7.1 update now?
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/a2017-zte-nougat-rom-preview-t3478414

Expected date for releasing 7.0 on axon 7?

The 7.0 nougat just released recently, I'm jist curious that how long will the axon 7 get the 7.0 since it support daydream and i really want to try it.
For those who use zte's phone before, can you tell how fast would they release a new update?

cho9736 said:
The 7.0 nougat just released recently, I'm jist curious that how long will the axon 7 get the 7.0 since it support daydream and i really want to try it.
For those who use zte's phone before, can you tell how fast would they release a new update?
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Most seem to be saying October-November but honestly it seems as soon as they can get everything working since they seem to be wanting to be first to the market with Daydream to help promote the device and their company more in the premium market.

The only people who can give any real answer to that sort of question are the manufacturers themselves and they aren't going to tell you. Also, given that Daydream support isn't in the initial Nougat release but will come later in an update which is entirely in Google's hands as to when they release it. Google need to decide on a date for when it's ready and then tell ZTE who have to get it out the door at some point after Google announce its availability. A more pertinent question at this point is will ZTE wait for the Daydream enabling patch before releasing a Nougat ROM for the A7 or will they release one before that.

Tsk tsk, no asking for etas on XDA... Just kidding!
Always thank those who are helpful...and just ignore those who aren't.

Thread closed - this type of impossible-to-answer question just winds folk up.

June Update

Can we get Android 8.1.0 after June update

Are you asking or just saying?

Behold xda users, it's the time of the month. It has begun. Brace yourselves with this kind of threads!

Wow, that was surprising... Not!
Is it that hard to understand that You will receive the update regardless of endless/pointless threads on XDA when it's ready to release!
You will receive it to Your phoce according to Xiaomi's roll-out plan.
If it's by region and/or IMEI series time will tell!
But You ill get it eventually when it's Your turn...
And please try to realize the screaming/whining/crying does not make the roll-out process any quicker.
Nor will some "bullet proof" or "tested and verified" ways to force the update make Your life better.
Just be a bit patient, just for once!

I'm no fortune teller, but based on past records we can reasonably expect the update to be released 21-25th June. Let's just all be patient until then.

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Can we get Android 8.1.0 after June update
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We can.
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Stop this rubbish threads, it helps nobody.
Thank you.

muruu said:
Behold xda users, it's the time of the month. It has begun. Brace yourselves with this kind of threads!
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did you mean to say '****'?

I think I can create a task schedule, so every month it will create new stupid thread about an update!
Everyone are sick of it.
Please stop spamming XDA with those ******* questions!

Can we get August update

You know what people? I'm gonna give you a different perspective of these kind of threads - a positive one.
First of all, those threads may seem useless, but for me they are a quick and easy way to see the update schedules from Xiaomi.
It's pretty simple - each month a so called 'noob' posts a thread of this kind. Then there are people that flame him for posting that thread (and I actually get mad way more when I see THOSE people there, because they just don't have anything else to do except complain for something). A week or so later, when Xiaomi releases the update, some other people come and send screenshots of their settings, showing the update is ready to download. When that happens - I know I should go and update my phone, too.
And why seek updates each month? Do they make our lives better? To be honest - no. But there is just some satisfaction of updating, knowing you go to the latest and newest possible software. Seeing the A/B partition scheme come into place, so it updates while you're using your phone is amazing. Also the fact that you're getting every security patches (well, some come out later but they still eventually do come out) makes you feel kinda 'proud' (if that's how I can even qualify it) of this cool budget Android One device.
Just be chill. Welcome such threads with smile, knowing that there is always some sort of a 'noob' trying to enter the world of customizing tech, modding, and even developing.

Are you parents brothers right?
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Are you asking or just saying?
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Asking

JockeSve said:
Wow, that was surprising... Not!
Is it that hard to understand that You will receive the update regardless of endless/pointless threads on XDA when it's ready to release!
You will receive it to Your phoce according to Xiaomi's roll-out plan.
If it's by region and/or IMEI series time will tell!
But You ill get it eventually when it's Your turn...
And please try to realize the screaming/whining/crying does not make the roll-out process any quicker.
Nor will some "bullet proof" or "tested and verified" ways to force the update make Your life better.
Just be a bit patient, just for once!
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No it's not hard. Whats hard is earning the money we spent on a device which made so many promises. Its totally fine that we are not getting any new update but you cannot stop anyone by telling that Xiaomi has a bloody roll out plan ciz if it had it would have been shown to us a long time ago when they released this phone. & this is only about shifting from one oreo to another oreo, what's your say when android P comes out.
This is an android one device & we are so far independent to discuss any stupid or legit questions we wish, stop being a hard guy & let me tell you, even you are frustrated with not getting 8.1 because you you were not, wouldn't have bothered replying

Foxtrot 474 said:
No it's not hard. Whats hard is earning the money we spent on a device which made so many promises. Its totally fine that we are not getting any new update but you cannot stop anyone by telling that Xiaomi has a bloody roll out plan ciz if it had it would have been shown to us a long time ago when they released this phone. & this is only about shifting from one oreo to another oreo, what's your say when android P comes out.
This is an android one device & we are so far independent to discuss any stupid or legit questions we wish, stop being a hard guy & let me tell you, even you are frustrated with not getting 8.1 because you you were not, wouldn't have bothered replying
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Let's NOT try to start a flame here...
Just agree to disagree!
Just to explain my point of view:
A1 is a budget phone.
At least I was aware of that when I bought it, so delayed updates/upgrades aren't any surprise especially as MIUI is Xiaomis flagship.
Roll-out plan: I was referring to the way Xiaomi chooses to distribute updates/upgrades. If You don't f*ck up Your phone You will receive an update notification. That works just fine at least on my phone!!
When it comes to 8.1 update: Who knows... I personally don't have any bigger issues that makes it critical to receive it ASAP.
And I haven't seen massive feature upgrades compared to 8.0 that are overwhelming.
There just might be other reasons to to visit XDA than 8.1 upgrade, right?? At least that's to case for me ...
(As Eng. isn't my native lang. I apologize for bad grammar in advance!)

It's the end of June and i still don't have my June update for the phone..... It's still in MAY PATCH

markporlaje said:
It's the end of June and i still don't have my June update for the phone..... It's still in MAY PATCH
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My phone works just fine without a June update and I would rather only have a stable update Xiaomi are happy to push.
I actually see it as a good thing, maybe whatever they planned to push (patch/security/8.1 who knows), was not ready and they had the good sense to delay pushing it until it was ready.

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It's the end of June and i still don't have my June update for the phone..... It's still in MAY PATCH
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They released a new beta build today, maybe we will get it next week.

June is released, updating now (not the beta, final)

Time to leave MIUI Forums for a while. A pile of garbage threads about the update incoming.
Can anyone confirm if it's Android 8.1? Just to be sure lol
EDIT: Indeed it's Android 8.1

U11 Slice of Pie

With the August HTC announcement via Twitter that the U11 will receive Android 9.0 (Pie), wanted to get a specific Pie discussion going. I'm aware of the Software Update thread, etc,... but this is U11 PIE specific here.
Me personally. I'm hoping PIE brings a radio firmware update as well. I never got my Oreo VZW SMS issues resolved other than to stick with 7.1.1 until something comes along that works. And I don't like not having the latest security patches.
So that brings me to the next point. Hopefully PIE fulfills the promise of decoupling security updates from firmware and software updates. i.e., be able to always implement the latest security patches for that version of Android, regardless if the OEM provides updates or not. Here's to hoping.
Anyways, I know there are some PIE based ROMs out there, but hopefully when the first official HTC released PIE update hits the street, you'll hear it here first.
Cheers

1st of all, do you both have a history? or I'm the only one who feel this way.
2nd, Currently there is a Pie ROM here (https://forum.xda-developers.com/u11/development/rom-slim7-t3855041), try if you want
For me, I'm not so excited with HTC U11 official PIE release, since the U11 has capacitive keys so they cannot have or evolve to a way we can have gesture or something like that.
What I'm more looking forward to is all the custom ROM which will come after the official release !

So that brings me to the next point. Hopefully PIE fulfills the promise of decoupling security updates from firmware and software updates. i.e., be able to always implement the latest security patches for that version of Android, regardless if the OEM provides updates or not. Here's to hoping.
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Really hoping for this too.

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Really hoping for this too.
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I'm debating if I should wait for pie or get a pixel 3xl. I have 2 U11's and one I got for free. With the black Friday deal on Verizon I won't even lose money. The question is HTC or Google Pie...

Me 2. But the boss may not be pleased I get another phone after a year.haha. Next phone pixel for me. Our phones are as important as our computers these days. She is apple fan too and she has told me a few times get an iphone over the years . Sure rip off to start but it gets updated for years. Despite this I like the flexibility of Android so pay extra for the pixel and get security updates.

When they announced we were going to be getting Pie on Twitter they stated 'Timeframes for roll-out will be announced in due course'. Has anyone heard anything about the roll-out as that statement was made three months ago?!

In this case "in due course" translates to "we have no plans".
I haven't seen any new information about Pie for the U11 since this announcement, and don't expect Pie in 2018.
Maybe in early 2019 ? But even that isn't sure.
Maybe HTC will close down before releasing it.

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In this case "in due course" translates to "we have no plans".
I haven't seen any new information about Pie for the U11 since this announcement, and don't expect Pie in 2018.
Maybe in early 2019 ? But even that isn't sure.
Maybe HTC will close down before releasing it.
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That's what I think. I did email HTC Support (waste of time) who advised me to go to settings and check for update! As much as I like this phone it will be my last HTC as they do not supply any after-sales customer care whatsoever!

i have similar sympathies. Up until now all of my phones except for one have been HTC devices but I have a feeling the company can't keep up anymore. Sense hasn't had a decent upgrade in ages. HTC apps like dialer look and work dated and now updates also take way too long. I remember that at some point they said 90 days (back in the Lollipop days) after a new android release and that would put Pie in November but we haven't even had a proper leak yet.
Unless they come out punching hard with the next model I'm afraid this has been it for me and HTC and I'll move maybe to the Sammy camp or something.

Other than the lack of updates, its a great phone, my minor issue is how bluetooth is handled when compared to my last phone (lg v20 ) which got water damaged. With the Lg v20 you could have 2 bluetooth devices connected at the same time. So in car you not need to worry if you had your headset connected if you got a call. Its a minor issue but a annoying you have to remember to turn off your watch (i got a huawei band 2 watch you can take calls on).
Anyway back on topic, I wonder Pie would add this feature or not so if you got a call you can take it on any of the two bluetooth devices.

Since the rumor that HTC was canceling early 2019 flagship phone, I think that may have some influences on Pie.

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Since the rumor that HTC was canceling early 2019 flagship phone, I think that may have some influences on Pie.
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They said they're focusing on 5G phones

Well I got it all wrong.
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Its googles fault, they are waiting for them previously when I asked it was the telco but it is never htc fault.

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HTC release Pie for U11 life https://www.ubergizmo.com/2018/11/htc-u11-life-android-pie-update/

The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?

Joooo ****ing pie in u11 Life?!!!!? Oh ****

mightywhites29111971 said:
The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?
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No, we won't
U11 Life is an Android One device.

mightywhites29111971 said:
The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?
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Is absolutely different. The life version is an "android one" device.
Is normal, as expected, that the u11 life get first the updates.
Now, should update the u12+, then the u11+ and the last the u11. If we get the update on February I would say that we are lucky.

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HTC release Pie for U11 life https://www.ubergizmo.com/2018/11/htc-u11-life-android-pie-update/
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The firmware for the U11 life can't be that much different from the U11. We may get it quicker than we think?
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U11 life has 2 version:
1 version with HTC software, officially not getting Pie, and will never get
1 version in the Android One program, so it get updated to Android Pie
Don't mess both version, because they are never the same .
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kurtschmeichel said:
In this case "in due course" translates to "we have no plans".
I haven't seen any new information about Pie for the U11 since this announcement, and don't expect Pie in 2018.
Maybe in early 2019 ? But even that isn't sure.
Maybe HTC will close down before releasing it.
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I'm already expecting they will release a apology statement for not updating U11. Just wait for our awesome developer community