How does moving apps between "internal app storage" and "sd card" work o 4.4.2?
Hi!
I have a rooted A3500F and cannot figure out which partitions and directories are involved in the aforementioned operation. What the system is showing is very confusing, e.g. with Google Earth:
1) installed in "internal app":
settings: storage available = 2.55 GB, apps (data & media )= 8.31 GB, system = 2.92 GB
app info: total = 206 MB, app =~ 26 MB, data = 180 MB
2) installed in "sd card":
settings: storage available = 2.59 GB, apps (data & media )= 8.32 GB, system = 2.92 GB
app info: total = 223 MB, app =~ 43 MB, data = 180 MB
So system and "app data " do not change. But the rest in the "app info" does not add up!
First it total + app = 232 MB whereas on sd it amounts to 266. Where the extra 34 MB comes from? Thin air?
This is very confusing and the system developers did really poor job in breaking down these amounts for users...
I was able to figure out that sdcard = /data/media/0 = /storage/emulated/0 = /mnt/sdcard and possibly "internal app" is somewhere on /data/media/? /data/app? /data/cache? /data/system?
I wonder what kind of hard limit this "moving" operation is overcoming if everything seems to occur on the "/data" partition and the "/system" does not change? Why is it available in the "app" setting? I use AIO tool to make such move in batch but I'm not sure of the benefits?
Also the "Apps" setting shows 2.9 GB free for the "Downloaded" section and 2.6 GB free for the "SD card" - where do these numbers come from? (it shows in both cases 10GB used and I know that /system takes up 3GB)
It's also weird on my Xperia C1505, e.g. app info storage about AOI Toolbox shows: total 4.4 MB, app on phone 6.17 MB and data on phone 4.4 MB. How could it be that "total" <> "app + data" ?! What then the "total" means?
Apps:
Downloaded / "Phone memory": 643 MB used 96 MB free (total of 740 results from what?)
Internal storage: 592 MB used 1.4 GB free
Running / RAM: 363 MB used 46 MB free (where did 100 MB of RAM go?)
All / "Phone memory": 643 MB used 96 MB free
How are these numbers related to the specs: 0.5 GB RAM, 4 GB internal ?
This is very confusing!
Is this all somehow related to the cache for running apps?
I tried searching for answers on various forums but did not find a good explanation, where it would be simply, unquestionably stated between exactly which directories or partitions this "move" is done.
I would greatly appreciate your help with this problem.
Cheers!
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Hello,
When I go to Settings --> System --> Memory :
I see this:
Storage Program
Total: 59.66 MB Total: 49.10 MB
In use: 24.32 MB In use: 19.14 MB
Free: 35.34 MB Free: 29.88 MB
The spec of the phone says that :
ROM=128M
RAM=64M
Why my storage and program don't reflect that?
Also, I don't see any programs actively running, but it still says 19.14 is used?
Thanks.
obviously the operating sw and the system files take up memory. the available memory always less, than in the specfication.
I recently updated my Galaxy 3 to android 2.2 via kies (official update). Now, there is a icon for Task Manager showing which is inbuilt in 2.2
Galaxy 3 has 256 MB RAM. On the RAM Manager tab of Task Manager, it is written that 150 MB/246 MB. As far as I understand this, it means that 150 MB RAM is currently used out of total 246 MB.
My queries:
1) As per specs, it must be 256 MB but 246 MB is written in RAM Manager tab
2) On Active Apps tab of Task Manager tab, there are two apps listed with 12.23 MB and 6.53 MB RAM usage respectively, that means a total of 18.76 MB but at the same time, RAM Manager tab shows 150 MB usage. How is this possible...a bug or am i construing something wrong?
3) On RAM Manager tab, there are 2 buttons for Level 1 and Level 2 and a bar of Level 1 and Level 2. why there are 2 buttons for Level 1 and Level 2?
4) On Package tab, there is a line that says: Package Size: code + data. Program: 161 MB/194 MB. What is the meaning of this?
Note: I have not installed any app in SD card so all the memory here is phone memory
Well, level 1 is for closing inactive apps and level 2 is for closing inactive and background apps to free space
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thanks for the reply. What are background apps? Can they be active apps?
Can anyone please answer this?
vijay.gupta said:
2) On Active Apps tab of Task Manager tab, there are two apps listed with 12.23 MB and 6.53 MB RAM usage respectively, that means a total of 18.76 MB but at the same time, RAM Manager tab shows 150 MB usage. How is this possible...a bug or am i construing something wrong?
4) On Package tab, there is a line that says: Package Size: code + data. Program: 161 MB/194 MB. What is the meaning of this?
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I can answer 2
2) The apps displayed are the running apps. There are many apps and services that run in the background and eventually consume memory. You can check that by going to setting > services and setting > manage applications> running apps. All these are running in background and will always use RAM.
4) This means that you have used 161 MB of your internal memory. It displays the total apps size
Also before you say somenthing about the low free ram space, in android phones it doesnt matter as hard as windows, here the common trend is "free ram memory is wasted memory" this because the andrioid system manage correctly the apps loaded to ram and terminates them when its needed (almost all the time), and loads.all the services you need to run, just when you feel that an app is consuming too.much or the phone.gets slow you can. Use the.inbuilt.ram.sweep, level 1 is soft sweep, it just close the active applications, for example music player if you are running music. Level 2 its a deep sweep, closing all.backgroud apps like sync, launcher etc
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Answer to the 1st question:
The task manager shows "incorrect" amount of RAM because of the different calculation method. Manufacturers use an approximate value of 1000kb for 1mb, but software counts 1048kb=1mb (1024*1024 bytes). Thus 246mb*1,048=~257mb. Check wikipedia for more reference.
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Thanks all for the valuable information and clearing up the air
I was checking my phone specs on
http://pdadb.net/index.php?m=specs&id=2392&c=samsung_gt-i5801_galaxy_3__gt-i5800_galaxy_spica_2
There is a line there:
ROM_capacity: 512 MiB (accessible: 170 MiB)
I know that it has 512 MiB ROM but what is the meaning of 170 MiB accessible here?
I assume that 512 MiB is only for Android OS?
vijay.gupta said:
ROM_capacity: 512 MiB (accessible: 170 MiB)
I know that it has 512 MiB ROM but what is the meaning of 170 MiB accessible here?
I assume that 512 MiB is only for Android OS?
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ROM is different from RAM
I assume these 170 MiB are the free space dedicated to install apps. Am I wrong ?
Yes, thats right, if im not wrong, the 512mib ROM space is used to install All the android system, leaving only 172 mb to install apps
Thanks. That means:
Total Internal Storage (ROM) = 512 MiB out of which
Storage available for android OS = 342 MiB
Storage available to install apps = 170 MiB
Total Internal Storage (ROM) = 512 MiB
It's kinda dumb to call it ROM, as it stands for Read Only Memmory. U can write/delete your ROM, including those 170MB for apps and those 342MB of OS memory with root access. Even Samsung calls it ROM...
That's what I was confused about when I first visited this forum...basically here the terminology is wrong....nothing is ROM here...and they are calling phone internal memory as ROM...
Do Xperia Neo ownwers really have only 380 Mb to for their applications and other stuff? Not really, we have system partition of 312,5 Mb in size as well.
I've noticed there are other partitions on Xperia Neo.
Here are all partitions I have found on Xperia Neo.
/cache --> 225 Mb
/data --> 380 Mb
/dev --> 167,77 Mb 76 k used
/etc --> 312,5 Mb
/mnt/asec --> 167,09 Mb This partition houses secure information about for example apps you bought from Market. It might show as 0Kb used but check individual folders and you see each is made into separate partition with around 1-2Mb in size.
/mnt/obb --> 167,09 Mb
/mnt/secure/asec this is using your sdcard but showing only files ending with *.asec
/system --> 312,5 Mb
Total Mb size adding them all would be 1731,95.
That's not correct since:
/etc and /system are in fact 1 partition. Considering this, the size is 1419,45
/mnt/asec and /mnt/obb could be as well same partitions. If it's true then total size is 1252,36 Mb.
Apps that show partition information show max total space around 917 Mb. But they show info only about /cache, /data, /system and no other system specific partitions.
its written on the sony ericsson website that neo has Internal phone storage: 1GB
(up to 320MB free)
The truth of which I am trying to figure out seeing those numbers I've presented. So far for me it seems the exact size is 1,2 Gb.
Official information about 1 Gb RAM for example for PC is always inaccurate, it's more like 1,1 GB or 1,2GB.
Seems the same case here. It's more convenient to type 1Gb and since most users will never notice those extra 200 Mb used by system specific partitions then who cares...
Well I do.
This 252,36 MB extra means I have some more room to play around with seeing that not much is getting written there by system.
I've noticed the same thing on my xplay it would be really cool to be able to have at least 500mb free
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You sure there's no symlinks inflating the numbers?
You have assume that /data --> 380 Mb, when it's up to 380Mb free, must have 128Mb free with 252Mb of apps installed, to recover use app2sd or similar.
I've moved as many apps to the sd card but there some that won't move and I'm left with 190Mb free and 205.3Mb after cache clearing
You sure there's no symlinks inflating the numbers?
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If you read last lines of OP you notice I try to calculate out possible symlinks.
I've moved as many apps to the sd card but there some that won't move and I'm left with 190Mb free and 205.3Mb after cache clearing
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That is fine or what? Those apps need to be somewhere anyway. Total space is 380 Mb and that's what matters.
i have to ask a thing
is normal that in "settings"--> "applications", i see only 335 mb of ram in total (not free) ?
but the phone should't have 512 mb?
where is the other ram?
maRRRco89 said:
i have to ask a thing
is normal that in "settings"--> "applications", i see only 335 mb of ram in total (not free) ?
but the phone should't have 512 mb?
where is the other ram?
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Hello. Exact. The neo has 512 Mb of Ram but just around 320 are available for users (the rest is used by the system )
Installed SwitchMe. Worked OK.
Some time later, installed a new rom [Echo 4.3].
SwitchMe was not present on first rom boot
Now internal memory shows: Total memory 23.81GB
Apps: 4.91 GB
Audio 28 KB
Cached 2.60 MB
Misc. 9.21 MB
Dummy 9.88 MB
*AVAILABLE SPACE* 423 MB
About 19 GB missing, and I keep getting the 'Storage space running out' error.
Phone unusable for any app.
Hi,
My Redmi 2 is supposed to have 8 GB internal storage.
In Settings > Storage, it reports only 5.75 GB total, 790 MB Available. Funnily, Apps take up 6.32 GB.
Using Wifi file transfer browser interface, it reports space available 0.69/5.31 GB.
I connect it to an Ubuntu machine via USB, and manage to mount the internal storage. Checking the properties give 633 MB free space, and only 1.7 GB of contents.
Where did my internal storage go ???
Using disk analyzer, the largest percentage is taken up by Tencent folder (43%), followed by DCIM (25%) and JOOX (17%). The rest are single figure percentages.
Inside Tencent, the folder taking up 93% space is sfs. Inside this are folders avatar and sns, and a coupleof files ***.00002 (total 530 MB). If I tried zipping the avatar and sns folders, the zipped files are only 25 MB in total.
Using Wechat (which owns the Tencent folder) to check its storage, it reported using 672 MB, but 4GB by "Others" and 705 MB "Left".
What is this Others???
Using Settings >> Installed Apps, it reports Wechat using only a modest 309 MB. Chrome uses 328 MB. Youtube uses 2.94GB but most of this is in the SD card.
Anyways, install apps seems to take up 5.84 GB. But 2.9 GB of these should be the Youtube data in the SD card. So the other installed apps take up about 3 GB.
Using Cleaner >> Deep Clean, there are only 10 Big Files (files bigger than 10 MB) totalling 1.1 GB. 555 MB for those ****.00002 files mentioned above.
Seems like at least 2GB is missing ??? Already a few times I had trouble installing apps because of lack of storage, after some clean up it was ok, but I think it's gonna run out again soon.
wkogane said:
Hi,
My Redmi 2 is supposed to have 8 GB internal storage.
In Settings > Storage, it reports only 5.75 GB total, 790 MB Available. Funnily, Apps take up 6.32 GB.
Using Wifi file transfer browser interface, it reports space available 0.69/5.31 GB.
I connect it to an Ubuntu machine via USB, and manage to mount the internal storage. Checking the properties give 633 MB free space, and only 1.7 GB of contents.
Where did my internal storage go ???
Using disk analyzer, the largest percentage is taken up by Tencent folder (43%), followed by DCIM (25%) and JOOX (17%). The rest are single figure percentages.
Inside Tencent, the folder taking up 93% space is sfs. Inside this are folders avatar and sns, and a coupleof files ***.00002 (total 530 MB). If I tried zipping the avatar and sns folders, the zipped files are only 25 MB in total.
Using Wechat (which owns the Tencent folder) to check its storage, it reported using 672 MB, but 4GB by "Others" and 705 MB "Left".
What is this Others???
Using Settings >> Installed Apps, it reports Wechat using only a modest 309 MB. Chrome uses 328 MB. Youtube uses 2.94GB but most of this is in the SD card.
Anyways, install apps seems to take up 5.84 GB. But 2.9 GB of these should be the Youtube data in the SD card. So the other installed apps take up about 3 GB.
Using Cleaner >> Deep Clean, there are only 10 Big Files (files bigger than 10 MB) totalling 1.1 GB. 555 MB for those ****.00002 files mentioned above.
Seems like at least 2GB is missing ??? Already a few times I had trouble installing apps because of lack of storage, after some clean up it was ok, but I think it's gonna run out again soon.
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1. Settings>Storage reports only 5.75 gb total because it is the space available for the user. Rest 2.25 gb are different partitions comprising of mainly system and cache partition.
2. Ubuntu machine shows only 1.7gb of content and 633 mb free space because the rest is occupied by installed apps and it didn't show up in the Ubuntu machine.
3. So now if we do the mathematics, nothing is strange-
3gb (installed apps) + 1.7 gb contents + 0.7gb (free)+ rest(cache, etc)=5.75gb