Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.
totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.
seems like pebkac not buggy firmware . otherwise every single guy would be facing same problems and that's not happening .
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totally disagree. I have european version Moto G with stock 4.4.2 and everything is working perfeclty. Try to wipe you Moto or flash any other rom.
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Just to clarify, did you receive an update package sometime after the primary update?
4.4.3 works fine on my US GSM moto G. But it might be different for others.
Also, add a warning to the OP that if you're already on 4.4.3+, you can't downgrade anymore. Motoboot from 4.4.3+ doesn't seem to like downgrading anymore, unfortunately.
4.2.2 works great, no signal drops or anything. Waiting for eupean 4.4.4. :good:
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Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?
I totally agree to ovitz. Updates are supposed to fix issues with older versions of the software. My moto came with 4.4.2 and i never had issues with signal drops. I am from India. Btw it's always better to reset phone after the update.
I agree with you OP on some extent. I also recently downgraded to 4.3 from 4.4.2 just for the lulz, because I was getting "image is too large" error but surprisingly today the flashing was successful. The battery timing has improved, dialer app is cooler than that of the 4.4.2. I'm finding these changes quite interesting because I didn't stay with 4.3 for too long; my Moto G received the KitKat update the moment I powered it on for the first time.
techpick said:
Simple answer - NO.
When a new software release is made for an OS, all the developers would have done is test it on a very few devices within the developers and then roll it out to testers. And after analyzing the bugs identified from these testers, the developers sit on fixing it and finally come up with a release. Now would this release be bug-less? Absolutely not! Remember, its only been tested amongst a very few number of people and the rolling out happens to thousands residing in different parts of the world. If you think about it, what these updates are gonna deal with is a varied number of users, different carriers, sim make etc etc.
Take for example, for Indian users, the 4.4.2 update has been rolled out for quite a while. Lots of bugs were identified since then and the forum managers have been collecting data from the subscribers for quite a while now (Almost 4 months). Still the fix has not happened. And now 4.4.4 is out and issues persist.
I hvae been using 4.3, 4.4.2, then CM11, Mokee ROM etc etc, and now Im finally back to stock 4.3, coz thats the most stable version. So if you are someone who is interested in trying out new releases, please go ahead, but if you are someone who needs a stable ROM with no signal drop issues, please stick to 4.3.
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While I do agree with you for most of what you said, not everyone has bugs or issues with their phones on 4.4.3/4.4.4 upgrade. I myself has had one bug that came with the phone since 4.3 and it's worst now on 4.4.3 and ironically, I've gotten all the bugs on the 4.4.3 that others were getting on 4.4.2. I ended up putting on CM11 because it was getting to me.
P.S. It's impossible to downgrade from 4.4.3/4.4.4. I would love to downgrade back to 4.3. Never got the chance to see how it behaved on my phone because I updated to 4.4.2 the moment I booted for the first time.
Did I mention the "Sign in to WiFi" error on the 4.4.2? That's annoying as hell.
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Question is whether downgrading is possible from 4.4.4 ?
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It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,
chrisdf said:
It is possible!, download the 4.4 official ROM and do a fastboot and install all the IMG files.
Thats how I did it,
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but you can't downgrade the bootloader, so didn't you get any errors?
Not that guy, Don't touch the motoboot and you should be fine
There's no point of updating your phone unless youare receiving it over OTA. Doing it manually is risky. The only thing that you'll get is new AOSP dialer and few security fixes. There's no reward..no improvement in performance as well as in camera quality. People are reporting bugs all over the globe and they desperatly want to switch back to 4.4.2. Few have them are also facing downgrading issues.
And you want to go through all this for just a minor update? Android L could be a good reason as it is worth updating even after bugs. But a minor update is definitely not.
If some one will ask me which is best ROM for my moto g? I would say Stock 4.4.2. I tried all custom ROMs but no one was as smooth as stock 4.4.2.
Consequences be damn'ed.
Simple answer- yeah, well, that's just like your opinion man.
Indian user. Unlocker my bootloader, Converted to GPE while on 4.4.2. The GpE move was made partly because I had jo desire nor the use if a second sim and mostly because I wanted a clean OS. Period.
Got instant OTA update to 4.4.4 to the day it was pushed.
No issues so far, None in fact and it's been over a week or thereabouts(I admit to the likelihood of me being an isolated case)
Lastly, to each his own.
Android is meant to be taken care of AS WELL tinker every single detail or option if you have the cojones for it. Ciao.
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I have just upgrade to 4.4.4 XT1033 (Malaysian), noted the missing 2 empty simcard icone and new rather flat dialer! nothing much has changed and certainly hasn't noticed any issue mentioned herein!
If one were to go by op opinion then they would be using 4.3 for the rest of the devices life ! I wonder what his comment would be once L comes to our device.
I have to disagree the OP as an xt1033 owner since march 2014.
Android 4.4.4 OTA for moto g helps fix various sw issues and increased performance,new baseband to aid the radio issues. Media playback is improved. The device is more of a swiss-tool now.
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.
Semseddin said:
GPe edition of Moto G running KTU84P.M003 like a dream and eats more battery,too. I wish i could have flashed it earlier.
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Just curious, if it eats more battery how come you call it a dream?
hey everyone im very new and i would really appreciate if you could help me with this little problem. I got a old s5 from my sister and i noticed it hadn't been updated since she got it. Now, here is where the problem starts, she was using Verizon and i have T-mobile the phone is unlocked but it wont update the os normally... I have no idea how this all works but i think its not updating because its trying to update through Verizon....
so is there a way i can change this phone to t mobile or do i need to self install the os updates myself?
if so then i know that i need to towel root it and i have the program downloaded and installed my device info is blow if you need other information please let me know and i will provide it asap ....plz and thank you
MODEL NUMBER: SM-G900V
ANDROID VERSION: 4.4.2
BASE BAND VERSION: G900VVRU1ANG
KERNEL VERSION:3.4.0
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hey everyone im very new and i would really appreciate if you could help me with this little problem. I got a old s5 from my sister and i noticed it hadn't been updated since she got it. Now, here is where the problem starts, she was using Verizon and i have T-mobile the phone is unlocked but it wont update the os normally... I have no idea how this all works but i think its not updating because its trying to update through Verizon....
so is there a way i can change this phone to t mobile or do i need to self install the os updates myself?
if so then i know that i need to
Are root it and i have the program downloaded and installed my device info is blow if you need other information please let me know and i will provide it asap ....plz and thank you
MODEL NUMBER: SM-G900V
ANDROID VERSION: 4.4.2
BASE BAND VERSION: G900VVRU1ANG
KERNEL VERSION:3.4.0
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Are you wanting to root it or just upgrade the firmware? Have you ever used Odin?
Try connecting to kies if you just want to upgrade firmware.
Tulsadiver said:
Are you wanting to root it or just upgrade the firmware? Have you ever used Odin?
Try connecting to kies if you just want to upgrade firmware.
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I:silly:'ve only done that stuff on my old iPhone, but when i switched to android it was like coming from north korea to china. Its just so much freedom I've never experienced before and i'm super happy i'm here( china i guess) but i couldn't imagine what america freedom feels like...and i'm guessing having it rooted and flashing custom Kernel would be like coming to america. I doubt ill ever get around to using those things to there full potential, so i guess ill just upgrade the firmware... unless you have movies or stories of the freedom im missing i doubt ill venture out to go find it. thank you for your info and looking forward to your reply
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I:silly:'ve only done that stuff on my old iPhone, but when i switched to android it was like coming from north korea to china. Its just so much freedom I've never experienced before and i'm super happy i'm here( china i guess) but i couldn't imagine what america freedom feels like...and i'm guessing having it rooted and flashing custom Kernel would be like coming to america. I doubt ill ever get around to using those things to there full potential, so i guess ill just upgrade the firmware... unless you have movies or stories of the freedom im missing i doubt ill venture out to go find it. thank you for your info and looking forward to your reply
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No custom kernel for us. We have a locked bootloader. We do have custom Roms. I would root but that is just me. I dislike all the bloatware if nothing else. You don't have to use your phone any differently but you never know when you will come across a great app or something and it requires root.
You are on the right firmware for root. Install towelroot, make it rain, download SuperSU from the playstore, install and update the binaries (it will ask you to) choose the normal method. Reboot your phone and you are rooted. I would go a step further and download busybox from the play store, install the app then install busybox, then install safestrap which is our custom recovery.
You can still just run a stock ROM if you wish but you now have the ability to change your phone to a certain degree. At least get rid of some bloatware. Otherwise, I'd try kies first and see if it will update your phone.
http://www.samsung.com/us/kies/
I'm looking to buy a note 4 now that custom roms and perm root has been achieved. I already know to make sure the android version is no more then 5.1.1, but one thing was throwing me off in reading up on this.
Some guides mention to "make sure the CID starts with 15". Others don't. I may be entirely wrong here, because I don't know what CID stands for, or what it is, but I'm getting the impression that CID 15 is a software number for the developers model of the phone. I've also read it's possible to convert the note 4 into thinking it is a developers model of the phone. So that would mean I don't need to worry about buying a model that's already CID 15, because it will be taken care of later. Is this correct?
My questions are....
How do I prevent my phone from starting up, and immediately downloading 6.0 or 6.1 or whatever the latest update is, before I root? How do I block those updates without root?
Whats the best newb friendly guide on this forum for going from day 1 bought, to custom roms and perm root? Basically an "everything at once" guide. Assuming I don't even have the phone yet, don't have temp root, haven't changed the CID yet, ect ect ect. I want to start reading these guides so I can get myself familiar with the process.
I read either here or on reddit that kingroot puts spyware on the phone. Is this true?
Anyone know a good place to buy the note 4? I'd be looking for the verizon version.
Anything I should know that I don't even know to ask about? My last (current) phone is on it's dieing legs. It's an HTC thunderbolt from 2011. I was running android 2.2. Yes, I know. It's old. I haven't experienced a post 2.2 android OS, so this is going to be basically 5 years worth of "HOLY **** LOOK WHAT THEY ADDED!!!" moment for me.
What are the differences between different model numbers. I keep seeing (SM-N910V) in the videos I've been watching, but I have no context as to if that's good, or bad, or what it means.
Will this fast charging thing work with ROMS?
I recently decided to completely start fresh with my rooted Note 4 (I have a N910H - Exynos). I factory reset, wiped, then downloaded the latest firmware from Sammobile. I thought I just go completely stock.
After flashing through ODIN I was on MM 6.0.1, stock.
Then I wanted to root. It was easy, so I don't think to have to worry about updates or anything, it is easy to root, whatever version (AFAIK for the Exynos versions)
Hello! I live in the UK but I got an Axon 7 from a chinese reseller, I thought it was a good idea, I was especially looking forward to try daydream. However, I think I need Nougat for that (and some other things), which seems not to be available by normal updates. The current version says "ZTE_A2017V2.1.1B07", MiFavor 4.0.
From reddit, somebody pointed me to the chinese update from the axon7 website, which I am planning to install now. However, I was wondering whether there was any way to change my phone into something like a 2017G edition so that I could then install a non-chinese stock android version. Does what I have just written make any sense or I am not grasping something?
If you could even just link to the right thread or anything, I will it myself and make sure to understand it.
Thanks!
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Hello! I live in the UK but I got an Axon 7 from a chinese reseller, I thought it was a good idea, I was especially looking forward to try daydream. However, I think I need Nougat for that (and some other things), which seems not to be available by normal updates. The current version says "ZTE_A2017V2.1.1B07", MiFavor 4.0.
From reddit, somebody pointed me to the chinese update from the axon7 website, which I am planning to install now. However, I was wondering whether there was any way to change my phone into something like a 2017G edition so that I could then install a non-chinese stock android version. Does what I have just written make any sense or I am not grasping something?
If you could even just link to the right thread or anything, I will it myself and make sure to understand it.
Thanks!
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It does make sense, and it's a common thing to do. But a few words first:
OTA will definitely not work
You need to unlock the bootloader to do this, since you need TWRP to flash stuff
You should install A2017U firmware, or at least try both. A2017G's firmware is not very good... i have a G myself.
You have to keep the A2017 modem and install the system without changing it. I'm 99% sure that the only way to do this is using flashable system zips like the ones tron1 made.
And last, but not least... I might sound rude, but why don't you look over Guides, News and Discussions before asking? This way you get your answer instantly... I'm sure I've seen a guide on how to do this.
Hello, I have a Chinese zte axon 7 too. you need up update your b013. get the zip file place on an SD card in the root directory. from this the Android N updates will roll it.
welcome to the UK Chinese axon 7 club. let me know if you need anything else. I've had mine now for 6 months and it's a great phone.
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Hello, I have a Chinese zte axon 7 too. you need up update your b013. get the zip file place on an SD card in the root directory. from this the Android N updates will roll it.
welcome to the UK Chinese axon 7 club. let me know if you need anything else. I've had mine now for 6 months and it's a great phone.
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he's asking to transform it to a2017G or U though
why bother with that. it's a Chinese version stick with that. It works fine and receives updates before everyone else
Hi. I've never really liked the Android version in my Lenovo but I am now facing an annoying issue with Play Store downloads getting stuck and delayed and going to have to reinstall.
At this point I am ready for a root and changing the ROM but I am rather lost in what android distribution are working and tested at the moment as after reading for a while there are some which are only for the Win version. I also see some references to X90L on threads about rooting and installing twrp but I am assumming these would work the same on my F version.
So the question is, what updated current ROMs are working fine and are worth (better than the official one) after root and TWRP on the Android version?
Also, once unlocked and changed bootloader, where can you get the official ones again?
Thanks for any help.
"Also, once unlocked and changed bootloader, where can you get the official ones again?"
You don't need it if you flash YB via Intel Flash Tool with oryginal rom.