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New root exploit is increasingly unlikely

Quite a few of us xda lurkers are itching to get root on our devices, but the DRM-debacle of the Sony phones has made many, including myself, hold off with unlocking the bootloader. Instead, we've put our hopes to new exploits that would allow root while keeping the bootloader locked, thus making it possible to keep all DRM functions in place, and also to restore the phone to factory conditions with the bootloader intact.
However, as Chainfire explains in the post below, the chances of any such exploit surfacing are slim. He says it's more important than ever to buy phones with unlocked bootloaders if we want to keep root.
Sadly, I'm afraid he's right and that the official bootloader unlock is the only way we'll be able to get root in the foreseeable future.
What do you guys think? Worth it or not?
Check out Chainfire's post on G+:
https://plus.google.com/113517319477420052449/posts/VxjfYJnZAXP

Fruktsallad said:
Quite a few of us xda lurkers are itching to get root on our devices, but the DRM-debacle of the Sony phones has made many, including myself, hold off with unlocking the bootloader. Instead, we've put our hopes to new exploits that would allow root while keeping the bootloader locked, thus making it possible to keep all DRM functions in place, and also to restore the phone to factory conditions with the bootloader intact.
However, as Chainfire explains in the post below, the chances of any such exploit surfacing are slim. He says it's more important than ever to buy phones with unlocked bootloaders if we want to keep root.
Sadly, I'm afraid he's right and that the official bootloader unlock is the only way we'll be able to get root in the foreseeable future.
What do you guys think? Worth it or not?
Check out Chainfire's post on G+:
https://plus.google.com/113517319477420052449/posts/VxjfYJnZAXP
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Well it's @Chainfire talking, who are we to doubt him? I'm only waiting for a way to backup my TA-Partition (DRM keys), I wouldn't mind losing some features. Even tho I must agree that losing some camera quality is really annoying, but Android is pretty open source so I have no doubts that people will find something to reverse the algorithm loss or create their own.
And also when the occasion occurs that I need to send my device out for repair, that they don't refuse it due to an unlocked BL

I'm sure that's true in the long run, just not sure if it's true now.
It's economics. The security bugs are going to get fewer and further between, but they will arguably never be eradicated. You should expect it to take longer and longer to find new exploits, but I wouldn't bet a wooden nickel that there are no exploits left.
More likely, we will reach a point where the cost of finding an exploit is so great that they're no longer worth looking for to a critical mass of hackers.
On the bright side, the implementations get better all the time, and I see very little about my z3c that I would like to change if only I had root.
And I do think Sony should find a way to make the early rooters whole again. I feel terrible that so many people's $500 phones have been seriously degraded by a completely reversible software change.

Dsteppa said:
Well it's @Chainfire talking, who are we to doubt him? I'm only waiting for a way to backup my TA-Partition (DRM keys), I wouldn't mind losing some features. Even tho I must agree that losing some camera quality is really annoying, but Android is pretty open source so I have no doubts that people will find something to reverse the algorithm loss or create their own.
And also when the occasion occurs that I need to send my device out for repair, that they don't refuse it due to an unlocked BL
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True, but as I'm sure you're aware, backing up the TA-partition requires said exploit to be found in order to get root. So I think it'll be a looong wait. [emoji20]

He still thinks root will be achievable in the early editions of Android L so I think it's safe to say root will arrive for this device under a locked bootloader, it will just take a bit longer than it has in the past to find an exploit.
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This is really disheartening. It's kinda ironic that Sony, who in recent times has been raised in its support of the developer community of its phones, and even won XDA's OEM of the Year, has such a downer in its phones.

I know this doesn't work for everyone but I'm hopeful that the new AOSP L camera API will mean that AOSP custom roms have some native low light enhancement processing. Maybe...

Chances improve with new software so I t could happen with android L too.

pricey2009 said:
He still thinks root will be achievable in the early editions of Android L so I think it's safe to say root will arrive for this device under a locked bootloader, it will just take a bit longer than it has in the past to find an exploit.
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Yup, but we're still looking at about five months wait considering Sony won't ship L until Q1 2015. Even then, there's no guarantee an exploit will be found.
Maybe I'm overly pessimistic about this. I do, however, have high hopes for the new camera API's regarding camera quality and post processing.
Personally, every day without root is a little painful, so I'll never last all those months. As soon as there are custom kernels available and a ROM like CM or PA, my locked bootloader goes bye-bye.

Chainfire is talking about the su daemon and problems running it (on Android L). He does not say anything about a root exploit. It seems you misunderstood his post.

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Chainfire is talking about the su daemon and problems running it (on Android L). He does not say anything about a root exploit. It seems you misunderstood his post.
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Let's hope Sony make or have made some little security mistakes.. To quote his post:
" Of course, this is all dependent on OEMs implementing everything exactly right. If a certain OEM doesn't protect one of their services correctly, then we can leverage that to launch the daemon without kernel modifications. While I'm fairly certain this will be the case for a bunch of devices and firmwares, especially the earlier L firmwares, this is not something you should expect or base decisions on."
Here's hoping they have missed something.
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pricey2009 said:
Let's hope Sony make or have made some little security mistakes.. To quote his post:
" Of course, this is all dependent on OEMs implementing everything exactly right. If a certain OEM doesn't protect one of their services correctly, then we can leverage that to launch the daemon without kernel modifications. While I'm fairly certain this will be the case for a bunch of devices and firmwares, especially the earlier L firmwares, this is not something you should expect or base decisions on."
Here's hoping they have missed something.
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Let's wait until January for the first android L release then :crying:

I've rooted two weeks ago and still enjoying the phone

zxz0O0 said:
Chainfire is talking about the su daemon and problems running it (on Android L). He does not say anything about a root exploit. It seems you misunderstood his post.
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This.
The post was mainly aimed at Android L...

Google hired one of our very own (Towelroot) and iPhone's pioneering hacker so it's going to get tougher. I hope they hired him only for NSA purposes.

That move by sony is just stupid. if they wanted to protect their code, why not store it into the camera firmware (referring to the camera algorithms)?
Why do they have to kill Miracast?
Obviously that is the other side of the medal. investments on security = far less exploits available. we are gonna wait a while, but as a developer I really really miss Xposed. Each time I look at my G2 a little tear drops.
No way I'm gonna root loosing DRM keys. The camera is already weak (to be honest I would be used a word beginning in shi but let's be polite) so I'm not in any way gonna make it worse.

zxz0O0 said:
Chainfire is talking about the su daemon and problems running it (on Android L). He does not say anything about a root exploit. It seems you misunderstood his post.
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Yes he does:
"As stated above, it seems for now that modifications to the kernel package are required to have root, we cannot attain it with only modifications to the system partition.
Combine that with a locked bootloader (and optionally dm-verity) and a device becomes nigh unrootable - exactly as intended by the security guys.
Exploit-based roots are already harder to do thanks to SELinux, and now because of the kernel requirements for persistent root, these exploits will need to be run at every boot. Exploits that make the system unstable (as many do) are thus out as well."
Then he goes on to say:
"Of course, this is all dependent on OEMs implementing everything exactly right. If a certain OEM doesn't protect one of their services correctly, then we can leverage that to launch the daemon without kernel modifications. While I'm fairly certain this will be the case for a bunch of devices and firmwares, especially the earlier L firmwares, this is not something you should expect or base decisions on. It is now thus more important than ever to buy unlocked devices if you want root.
It might also mean that every firmware update will require re-rooting, and OTA survival mode will be broken. For many (but far from all) devices we can probably automate patching the kernel package right in the SuperSU installer ZIP. We can try to keep it relatively easy, but updating stock firmwares while maintaining root is probably not going to work as easy and fast as it did until now."

zxz0O0 said:
Chainfire is talking about the su daemon and problems running it (on Android L). He does not say anything about a root exploit. It seems you misunderstood his post.
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How can anything be a root exploit if it doesn't result in a functional su? I read Chainfire's post as Google making it impossible to elevate privileges from within Android, necessitating kernel level exploits which in turn will require unlocked bootloaders to install.
Once we get to where the bootloader has to be unlocked it's really not a root exploit anymore, is it?

michyprima said:
Why do they have to kill Miracast?
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Because they don't want to support Miracast without HDCP. Remember that Sony is also a content provider. While that may be as annoying for a normal user as the degradation in camera quality, their approach actually still is developer friendly. Request a code - get full control over the device, at the cost of losing some functionality (software functionality). It's as simple as that. CM and other roms work perfectly fine on Xperia devices, and if you want to implement an equivalent camera algorithm, you're free to do so.

Iruwen said:
Because they don't want to support Miracast without HDCP. Remember that Sony is also a content provider. While that may be as annoying for a normal user as the degradation in camera quality, their approach actually still is developer friendly. Request a code - get full control over the device, at the cost of losing some functionality (software functionality). It's as simple as that. CM and other roms work perfectly fine on Xperia devices, and if you want to implement an equivalent camera algorithm, you're free to do so.
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Can only agree to that. If you buy a Sony phone to act like a Sony phone (most people do!) then one should leave it as it has been delivered by Sony. If you can't agree to how it is, Sony gives you the option to unlock the BL and do whatever you want to do with the HW, but don't expect it to work/act as before. Personally, I have no issues with that at all.
On a different note, Linux/Android is comprised of x million lines of code. There're bugs in this code, there're bugs in the compiler, bugs in Java, bugs even in the Hardware etc. etc. There's no reason to believe (or fear) that Linux/Android would ever be perfect or non-vulnerable. Root will come, it's only a matter of effort and time...

Root possible?

I know its too early but what do you guys this about rooting/custom roms for venice?
BB ceo said (something along the lines) that they will only make an android device if it is secured enough. WOuld that mean a locked bootloader etc? Moreover, it is using a much more secure kernel (http://berryflow.com/2015/09/blackberrys-android-slider-using-hardened-linux-kernel/) and i've read that some beginner's tools (eg enabling developer's options, sideloading apps etc) are blocked.
So what do you guys think? As for me, I believe in this community and i know one way or another, we will be able to install our favourite custom roms/apps on venice. Although I dont know if it would happen 2 days after launch of 2 years after the device reaches the market!
Btw cant wait for the device! I hope blackberry becomes a force again after this phone. I'll buy it the day it's bootloader gets unlocked + root is acheived

Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.

I can't see things like developer options/USB debugging etc being outright blocked. That just seems like a great way to alienate the majority of the userbase that a device like this is targeted towards.

This is my main concern... I want this phone, badly. But after having a G4, having to wait for root and still not having any decent roms I won't get the Priv if it doesn't at least get root. It's stock-ish android so I can deal with lack of roms but no root, no sale.
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No idea why anyone here thinks they would do that. Even on BB10 devices installing apks is allowed - and they sure wouldn´t do otherwise on an Android device - that would be crazy.
and yes, bl will be locked and encrypted - root - well that will be something to wait for.

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Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.

Zer0.exe said:
Do you have a source on the Priv blocking sideloaded apps? That would be very unfortunate. Locked bootloader is a given but I would still like to be able to install my favorite apks.
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sorry I cant give you a source. I read this on reditt or a blog post
MSF Jarvis said:
Bootloader WILL be locked, that's a no brainer. But locking out sideloading, developer options is not possible without TOTALLY killing interest and sales. Blackberry desperately needs Priv to succeed. This is their last chance to avoid becoming the next Nokia. So no, we will have at least sideloading available. Honestly, it doesn't matter if they lock out all these essential features, if they release at least the kernel source and device tree day-and-date with the phone. If you have these, we're better off building a CM 12 (or 13:fingers-crossed ROM for the Priv.
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hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?

Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!

Zer0.exe said:
Welp a leaked pic about the security settings confirms developer options can be enabled, so sideloaded apps is probably a go to. False alarm, peeps!
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Link?

HyperM3 said:
Link?
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http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.

pluto7443 said:
http://n4bb.com/blackberry-priv-64-bit-4k-video-confirmed/
The beautiful glass weave is also shown off. I love it on my Z30.
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Thanks for that! I am really looking forward to this device. Im all or nothing on this with my Nexus 6 right now.

rollerdyke44 said:
hmm. So do you think it would be possible to unlock the bootloader or it can never be unlocked?
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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there must be some poor phone that didn't get a bootloader unlock, and I firmly believe the Priv is gonna join their ranks as soon as it gets released.
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rollerdyke44 said:
btw slightly offtopic, but is there any phone which has a completely locked bootloader (ie has never been unlocked)?
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Look at the recent crop of AT&T and Verizon Samsung phones. Their bootloader are locked up tighter then...... Well we will just say their locked down [emoji1]
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http://i-cdn.phonearena.com/images/...aked-hands-on-photos-plus-official-images.jpg In fact, this image outright confirms that you can sideload/ use developer options.

I wouldn't count on too much. The developer options could have easily been changed and some removed. As BB main selling point is security I expect this device to be one of the harder ones to crack.
As for the bootloader questions. Yes there have been a few that were uncrackable, a dirty hack to by pass has worked on some.

I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.

htko89 said:
I imagine root is just a matter of time. Unless they lock the system partition, which other manufacturers have done in the past (Looking at you HTC). Even so, it has been done and s-on/off has been cracked before. Alternatives to locking include e-fuses, like in legacy motorola devices.
Bootloaders on the other hand, we're probably going to have to get some concrete evidence. It is most likely locked in my personal opinion.
This is all just speculation. Hopefully Blackberry can find a good balance.
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The efuze us still used in many devices and if I know blackberry they will have it check against its servers for security. Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers. Remember everything is routed through Blackberrys servers in Canada so if their servers go do so does the device.

zelendel said:
Once it detects root it will most likely disable the device. Or most of the functions that use BB servers.
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I would be completely fine with them locking out the BB services when root is discovered. But locking down the hardware would be overstepping their bounds. It's our hardware, not theirs. I know that doesn't mean they couldn't still do it, I just think it would be a jerk move.
It would be like if Microsoft bricked xbox machines that have been modded. They don't, they just ban you from XBox Live if they detect it. I think it should be the same approach.

Yes but even MS has locked the bootloader on Many of their 32 bit machines now. Also I have a link that you might want to read where is passed then modding our devices at all will become illegal.
https://www.eff.org/issues/tpp

Most current s8 root?

I am fairly new to android (recently moved from iPhone), and i am looking for the most recent Exynos 8895 root. I am looking to boot a computer from a distro on my android.

What do you mean by "boot a computer from a distro on my android"
In other words, is there a particular reason why you want to root the device? In the last few years there have been a lot of new features added to Android which have significantly reduced the need for rooting.

YasharF said:
What do you mean by "boot a computer from a distro on my android"
In other words, is there a particular reason why you want to root the device? In the last few years there have been a lot of new features added to Android which have significantly reduced the need for rooting.
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Speaking for his side, instead of "booting" i think he meant rooting. But you are correct about the less need of rooting due to OEMs implementing new features that we needed root for but root is helpful up to this day, it adds even more freedom for yourself and your phone, but you're right about the "significantly reduced the need of rooting" part. Some people are different and still want root.

DaNamesFrank said:
Speaking for his side, instead of "booting" i think he meant rooting. But you are correct about the less need of rooting due to OEMs implementing new features that we needed root for but root is helpful up to this day, it adds even more freedom for yourself and your phone, but you're right about the "significantly reduced the need of rooting" part. Some people are different and still want root.
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I meant using drivedroid

ville1001 said:
I meant using drivedroid
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Oh I see; from what I gathered drivedroid makes the phone's USB to emulate a USB CD Rom with a ISO selection from the phone's interface. Neat idea. Considering the amount of effort and potential stability issues of rooting, and that Samsung doesn't officially support rooting from their end, you might be better off just using a few USB flash memory sticks for the different ISOs that you want to boot a PC from.
Also note that the last version of DriveDroid was released on January 5, 2016, almost two years ago, and its own developer doesn't seem to be actively working on it or supporting it.

Did anyone buy a Razer 2?

I think a few of us did, but I'm returning mine. The quality and community just isn't there.

I have it. I am digging it. Hoping the community gets a little stronger but if not, I am still happy. FTR, I am rocking a Pixel 3 XL and a One Plus 6T as well.

I got it, loving it so far.

I have one, and am loving it as well. But the accessory community is depressing, especially with what seems available for the 1. Still, holding out hope yet....

Few days ago I went to 3 shop in the UK with intention of choosing between Pixel 3 XL, Note 9 and Mate 20Pro. But just one look at this beauty changed my mind. It has been years since I have seen android phone design I really liked. I hope that accesories will become available but it is not a deal braker for me. I ordered green case from razer as for the rest I do not care that much. I use magnetic holder for a car so nothing changes here. Bluetooth headset you can choose whatever you like. Actualy only case is phone specific acessory for me nowadays...

Coming from razer 1
This phone is amazing
Since razer 1, the advances are:
* Vibration motor actually works as you'd expect
* Camera, specifically with GCam is outstanding compared to Razer 1 (same Sony lenses as Pixel 3 - we have big potential.)
* Waterproof, bonus
* Screen slightly but evidently brighter
* Loudspeaker incall volume is louder/clearer
* Speakers are just as loud and true as Razer 1
* The overall speed enhanced with 845cpu, not that the Razer 1 was a slug, it was actually the fastest user experience until this Razer 2.
Honestly, all that marketed placebo they place on us with the big shot companies doesn't phase me... This phone is unprecedented. If you know tech and don't buy a phone based on the quality of its camera facility like most folk, then this is the connoisseurs choice.
Forget the development community, it didn't exist on Razer 1, not do I expect it to here. However it's not needed. The phone is already 99% stock without bloat.
The phone is G.O.A.T

dillalade said:
Coming from razer 1
This phone is amazing
Since razer 1, the advances are:
* Vibration motor actually works as you'd expect
* Camera, specifically with GCam is outstanding compared to Razer 1 (same Sony lenses as Pixel 3 - we have big potential.)
* Waterproof, bonus
* Screen slightly but evidently brighter
* Loudspeaker incall volume is louder/clearer
* Speakers are just as loud and true as Razer 1
* The overall speed enhanced with 845cpu, not that the Razer 1 was a slug, it was actually the fastest user experience until this Razer 2.
Honestly, all that marketed placebo they place on us with the big shot companies doesn't phase me... This phone is unprecedented. If you know tech and don't buy a phone based on the quality of its camera facility like most folk, then this is the connoisseurs choice.
Forget the development community, it didn't exist on Razer 1, not do I expect it to here. However it's not needed. The phone is already 99% stock without bloat.
The phone is G.O.A.T
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While I do not really expect huge custom ROM support, a reliable root method that doesn't trip safetynet (and thus still allows android pay) would be enough for me to buy it.

jaredtritsch said:
While I do not really expect huge custom ROM support, a reliable root method that doesn't trip safetynet (and thus still allows android pay) would be enough for me to buy it.
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And TWRP and Xposed of course

As for custom ROM stuff, it seems to be off to a good start. No need to be plugged in to get into fastboot anymore. It's actually surprisingly easy to get the button combo right (Vol- and Pwr). The bootloader even has an unlock menu option so the bootloader can even be unlocked without a PC involved! I've never seen that before lol. It bodes well. I did kernel dev for some of my previous devices so I'm really eager for those sources. Hopefully they keep up that end of the bargain.

I think I'm getting one, just want to see it and the OnePlus 6T in person before I decide. Any thoughts on how long it will take to get root? That's pretty important to me, but not having it right away isn't a problem.

Schizzlefuzz said:
I think I'm getting one, just want to see it and the OnePlus 6T in person before I decide. Any thoughts on how long it will take to get root? That's pretty important to me, but not having it right away isn't a problem.
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It becomes possible but difficult when kernel sources drop, and pretty much guaranteed when factory images become available, provided Razer didn't make any significant security enhancements to stock Android (unlikely though). Razer released the sources fairly soon after the first one released, but that's not a guarantee.
EDIT: come to think it's possible earlier if someone manages to capture an OTA with a kernel image. I didn't think of that while unboxing and just let it update
EDIT2: Managed to coax bootloader to switch back to old slot so I can take the OTA again. Or brick it. Will see I guess
One point against Razer for the bootloader still being a finicky, terrifying mess. At least it's easier to get into now...
EDIT3: OK capturing the OTA not going so well before the device is set up cause ADB is not available and its downloaded through a verified SSL connection. Will have to wait for the next one

CurtisMJ said:
It becomes possible but difficult when kernel sources drop, and pretty much guaranteed when factory images become available, provided Razer didn't make any significant security enhancements to stock Android (unlikely though). Razer released the sources fairly soon after the first one released, but that's not a guarantee.
EDIT: come to think it's possible earlier if someone manages to capture an OTA with a kernel image. I didn't think of that while unboxing and just let it update
EDIT2: Managed to coax bootloader to switch back to old slot so I can take the OTA again. Or brick it. Will see I guess
One point against Razer for the bootloader still being a finicky, terrifying mess. At least it's easier to get into now...
EDIT3: OK capturing the OTA not going so well before the device is set up cause ADB is not available and its downloaded through a verified SSL connection. Will have to wait for the next one
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Well I ended up getting it and will have it tomorrow if you want me to do something to help out.

CurtisMJ said:
As for custom ROM stuff, it seems to be off to a good start. No need to be plugged in to get into fastboot anymore. It's actually surprisingly easy to get the button combo right (Vol- and Pwr). The bootloader even has an unlock menu option so the bootloader can even be unlocked without a PC involved! I've never seen that before lol. It bodes well. I did kernel dev for some of my previous devices so I'm really eager for those sources. Hopefully they keep up that end of the bargain.
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Where is this being discussed? The forum here is barren and r/razerphone isn't showing much news either.

Schizzlefuzz said:
Well I ended up getting it and will have it tomorrow if you want me to do something to help out.
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Unfortunately not much can be done while setting it up since the wizard's response to trying to get past the update screen is a firm "YOU SHALL NOT PASS". The ota link can potentially be captured only on a fully set up phone through ADB or a bug report. So we have to wait for the next OTA or a source/image drop from Razer if we want to root safely.
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Where is this being discussed? The forum here is barren and r/razerphone isn't showing much news either.
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I was just commenting on the ease of unlocking which is usually a prerequisite. I'm not saying there's already dev going on, just that the device seems like a good candidate

I've got one. I think it's great! Haven't unlocked the bootloader or anything yet. For me, the battery life has been very impressive. I don't have a ton of apps, nor do I game really, but I can easily get it to last 2 days with 4 hours of Screen On Time and several hours of phone calls with 20% battery left.

translucentfocus said:
I've got one. I think it's great! Haven't unlocked the bootloader or anything yet. For me, the battery life has been very impressive. I don't have a ton of apps, nor do I game really, but I can easily get it to last 2 days with 4 hours of Screen On Time and several hours of phone calls with 20% battery left.
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VZW??

deafmetal1 said:
VZW??
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Yes

translucentfocus said:
Yes
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So did you have to call to get the CDMA-less profile added?

jal3223 said:
So did you have to call to get the CDMA-less profile added?
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No, I did not. I originally tried using an older SIM that I had in my previous phone & the phone worked... but txts would not come through. When I finally relented and tried to use the BYOD wizard on verizonwireless.com--the website said I needed a new SIM for my phone.
So, I brought my Razer Phone 2 to the Verizon Store (this is a day or two after Verizon had certified the phone). The Verizon Rep, who was assisting me, brought out a handful of sim cards and tried scanning each one with a handheld scanner. It took several tries, but she found one that I'm assuming their system would accept and then I was good to go. Based on my observations, it looks like the phone requires a pretty-specific SIM card for Verizon's system to activate it.
Doubt this helps you though.

Will The OnePlus 9 Pro Be A Major Upgrade Over The 8 Pro (Apart From SD 875) ?

Particularly in terms of front & back camera(s) performances ?
Also:
- What improvements would you like to see in OxygenOS ?

Cameras, screen and battery are the only improvements that can be had, perhaps audio.
Every other box has been ticked.
Storage
Size
Performance
Ram
Aesthetics
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Cameras, battery and audio are also really top notch so I wouldn't expect anything ground breaking.
We're approaching a stage where things can't progress at the rate they once did.
For me I would only make the battery larger but that's just nitpicking.
(See screenshot)
Waterproofing is here as Is superb wireless charging and reverse charging.
In regards to the OS id like to see no features removed, only made optional.
Screen off animations, OS size changes, static icon alterations like the status bar clock and signal icons, they should be fully themeable, which you can see from the screen shot I've already changed on mine.

I don't think major, but a progression... Further aod features, battery improvements, etc....

I think that Samsung have moved the game on by producing a folding handset, and that everybody else will eventually need to move into that space if they want to keep selling phones.
Sure it's still going through some teething issues (and the app market hasn't caught up yet), and I can't imagine that the 9 Pro will be folding, but I'd expect that the 10 Pro or 11 Pro will be.

Philip said:
I think that Samsung have moved the game on by producing a folding handset, and that everybody else will eventually need to move into that space if they want to keep selling phones.
Sure it's still going through some teething issues (and the app market hasn't caught up yet), and I can't imagine that the 9 Pro will be folding, but I'd expect that the 10 Pro or 11 Pro will be.
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I wouldn't buy a folding phone again.
The startac was the last good folding phone.
Folds are a phase, an expensive one.

dladz said:
Folds are a phase, an expensive one.
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Folding screens are a whole different ballgame to the antediluvian technology that was the Startac.
Who wouldn't want a phone that folds down to half (or less) of its normal use size when you put it in your pocket, especially as the screens get thinner and lighter, and the software evolves to make use of the form factor.
The technology still has a little way to go, but in the not-too-distant future all handsets will have foldable screens.

Philip said:
Folding screens are a whole different ballgame to the antediluvian technology that was the Startac.
Who wouldn't want a phone that folds down to half (or less) of its normal use size when you put it in your pocket, especially as the screens get thinner and lighter, and the software evolves to make use of the form factor.
The technology still has a little way to go, but in the not-too-distant future all handsets will have foldable screens.
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No dude, I know.
Point I'm trying to make is, every person who had an ounce of taste had a startac.
Only people who'll buy a folding device are people who don't know their phones or someone who blindly buys the latest gadgets.
The processors in those phones are pants as are the batteries, look at the Motorola flip?
The technology is a non starter.
I'll never change my mind on that, if they sell as much as the startac did then I'll admit I'm wrong, but I doubt it.

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...... Are all perfect
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I am changing the subject on you. I should have created a new thread, but I am not sure if you would see it in that case.
After waiting a month, I still haven't received my OnePlus 8 Pro. Do *NOT* ever buy anything from Bludiode.com. It is a scam. These guys claim Covid-19 is delaying the clearance of my payment. A virus can slow down electronic payment for a month?! I already called my credit card company to dispute it and got my money back. Since they do charge a 2 . 9% service charge to use a credit card, I assume those who do a bank transfer from their checking account to avoid this charge are their real victims. Anyway, I digress.
Since I don't have a OnePlus 8 Pro in my hand yet, I have a new concern before I buy it again. Does it have a boot-up (NOT lockscreen) password? I just learned that through a custom recovery like TWRP, one can always delete the locksettings.db and/or other similar files to erase the lockscreen password. Further, since TWRP has a built-in file manager, even if an attacker doesn't reboot to system, he can simply browse in TWRP.
TWRP doesn't officially support a password, and I can understand why because it's futile. An attacker can simply flash a fresh TWRP through download mode anyway to wipe out the existing password.
The only way to prevent an attacker from stealing my private info is to
1. encrypt the internal memory, or
2. unroot the phone and lock the bootloader so that a custom recovery cannot be installed, or
3. the device has a boot-up password.
Neither #1 or 2 would work for me. That leaves only #3.
Can you please confirm if OnePlus 8 Pro supports boot-up password?
By the way, if the upcoming upgrades in the 9 Pro would be marginal, I may just wait till the 9 Pro comes out and then buy the 8 Pro on the cheap. What time of the year does OnePlus usually release a new phone?
Thank you

luckysoul777 said:
I am changing the subject on you. I should have created a new thread, but I am not sure if you would see it in that case.
After waiting a month, I still haven't received my OnePlus 8 Pro. Do *NOT* ever buy anything from Bludiode.com. It is a scam. These guys claim Covid-19 is delaying the clearance of my payment. A virus can slow down electronic payment for a month?! I already called my credit card company to dispute it and got my money back. Since they do charge a 2 . 9% service charge to use a credit card, I assume those who do a bank transfer from their checking account to avoid this charge are their real victims. Anyway, I digress.
Since I don't have a OnePlus 8 Pro in my hand yet, I have a new concern before I buy it again. Does it have a boot-up (NOT lockscreen) password? I just learned that through a custom recovery like TWRP, one can always delete the locksettings.db and/or other similar files to erase the lockscreen password. Further, since TWRP has a built-in file manager, even if an attacker doesn't reboot to system, he can simply browse in TWRP.
TWRP doesn't officially support a password, and I can understand why because it's futile. An attacker can simply flash a fresh TWRP through download mode anyway to wipe out the existing password.
The only way to prevent an attacker from stealing my private info is to
1. encrypt the internal memory, or
2. unroot the phone and lock the bootloader so that a custom recovery cannot be installed, or
3. the device has a boot-up password.
Neither #1 or 2 would work for me. That leaves only #3.
Can you please confirm if OnePlus 8 Pro supports boot-up password?
By the way, if the upcoming upgrades in the 9 Pro would be marginal, I may just wait till the 9 Pro comes out and then buy the 8 Pro on the cheap. What time of the year does OnePlus usually release a new phone?
Thank you
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You'd need the password to obtain data access to that part of the system, as in it has to decrypt.
They just released the 8T so in six months the 9 will be out.
That sucks about that place.
Did you get your money back??

after owning 4 op phones in between other flagships from other companies just for the love of op this op8 pro will be the last i buy from op. even cyanogen dint have this kinda bugs back in the day lol. if this is what they call a stable os moving forward. they are now more concerned about pushing mid range phones to get a slice of the market share that what people came to love about them like software smoothness is just purely ****. like the word **** is being nice at this point. i hope things change moving forward but this isnt going well for them at all