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If anyone wants to sign up, the Vultan OTA is available. It's a Developer Preview ROM for the Shield Tablet, Shield Tablet K1, and the Shield TV.
It's rolling out now for those of you that are interested.
https://developer.nvidia.com/shield-developer-os-images
Don't just go and run with it though. Be sure to read what it is, and what the point of it is.
Android 6.0.1 as well!
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So the vulkan is the 6.0.1?
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I sended too for partecipate to testing
Do you have the OTA link for this update so it can be manually downloaded? Would like to try it ASAP once Talos Principle on android receives the Vulkan support update soon.
Already posted a thread on this
http://forum.xda-developers.com/shield-tablet/general/vulkan-api-based-update-t3317336
Nintonito said:
Do you have the OTA link for this update so it can be manually downloaded? Would like to try it ASAP once Talos Principle on android receives the Vulkan support update soon.
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You have to supply your serial to obtain the update.
This way they can track who is sharing builds.
The Vulcan build is coming for everyone. According to nvidia it is obtaining certification before general release.
I presume this means passing Google CTS.
To access the Vulkan Developer Preview OS, please?*email us.Please include:Your name and companyYour SHIELD's 20 digit serial number and a screenshot of the Settings->About pageYour SHIELD's device model and nameFor technical support and recovery info, please visit the?*NVIDIA support site.
Hi !
Someone has received an answer ? How long does it take ? I sent my demand few days ago.
Received mine today and installed it, hopefully the 6.0.1 should make the device snappier and better
Received mine too
Édit : First impression with this update. No bug so far, everything is smooth. Autonomy is much better.
Antutu score : 93220 [email protected]
En Kee said:
Received mine too
Édit : First impression with this update. No bug so far, everything is smooth. Autonomy is much better.
Antutu score : 93220 [email protected]
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Is there a version of twrp that works with this build, or did Nvidia just get rid of the benchmark blocker? If you did get twrp installed, could you let us know which one? Thanks
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Benchmark blocker is still here, I removed it.
For TWRP you can use this one : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=55446061
It's still a bit buggy but it does the job.
dont suppose anyone can upload a TWRP backup of system and boot of vulcan.
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dont suppose anyone can upload a TWRP backup of system and boot of vulcan.
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Dunno if this works, but just register on their website. They're very kind in case something is missing or went wrong. Also fast response. I admitted two devices which were accepted and got the OTA within a day.
Very cool! I had a feeling shield wasn't going to get marshmallow. I'm curious when the public release will be... Dunno if I wanna get the beta version yet?
is it an OTA once they give access, or a local download? I don't mind waiting a month or so if that's what it's going to take.
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Very cool! I had a feeling shield wasn't going to get marshmallow. I'm curious when the public release will be... Dunno if I wanna get the beta version yet?
is it an OTA once they give access, or a local download? I don't mind waiting a month or so if that's what it's going to take.
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The shield has had marshmallow 6.0 for a while now. This is 6.0.1, still marshmallow, just an update preparing for the Vulcan graphics engine I think.
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razorseal said:
Very cool! I had a feeling shield wasn't going to get marshmallow. I'm curious when the public release will be... Dunno if I wanna get the beta version yet?
is it an OTA once they give access, or a local download? I don't mind waiting a month or so if that's what it's going to take.
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It's an OTA, that's why they need your serial number, and I've waited only few days to have an answer. I'm still happy with it.
I like how the Nav buttons separate in landscape mode for better thumb usage in this version.
I tried to get it on my pyro maybe it will override the killswitch :b
En Kee said:
Benchmark blocker is still here, I removed it.
For TWRP you can use this one : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=55446061
It's still a bit buggy but it does the job.
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Does that TWRP work for the K1 version?
So how come I'm on 5.1.1 and it says I have the latest update? 6.0 isnt only for the shield k right?
I have the regular shield with LTE. I won't get the K because the LTE is a must for me.
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What did you guys put for the application name and application URL? I'm not working on any games lol
Will 1st gen firestick get the 5.0.5 update? Stuck on 5.0.3 atm
I'd like to know that as well.
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fach1708 said:
Will 1st gen firestick get the 5.0.5 update? Stuck on 5.0.3 atm
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I'd like to know that as well.
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yes I have gotten it on ver 1 of stick and tv and have rooted both already
timezone12 said:
yes I have gotten it on ver 1 of stick and tv and have rooted both already
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but how did you get it on beta firmware 5.0.3?
everyone who seems to have received the update was not on 5.0.3. I have yet to see anyone on 5.0.3 confirm they were able to update to 5.0.5.
I'm on 5.0.3 myself.
apparently we can root with kingroot on 5.0.3... so depending on how soon things get figured out related to custom recovery... rooting on 5.0.3 then using a custom recovery and pre-rooted 5.0.5 rom may be quicker than waiting on Amazon.
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everyone who seems to have received the update was not on 5.0.3. I have yet to see anyone on 5.0.3 confirm they were able to update to 5.0.5.
I'm on 5.0.3 myself.
apparently we can root with kingroot on 5.0.3... so depending on how soon things get figured out related to custom recovery... rooting on 5.0.3 then using a custom recovery and pre-rooted 5.0.5 rom may be quicker than waiting on Amazon.
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I'm still waiting on the update URL for the stick. I need either the url from os3 to os5, or the url for beta to 5.0.5.
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I'm still waiting on the update URL for the stick. I need either the url from os3 to os5, or the url for beta to 5.0.5.
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I've been actively logging in hopes to grab the FTV Stick 5.0.3 -> 5.0.5 URL but at by the looks of it someone going from 3.x -> 5.0.5 should be able to grab it first. We shall see... :fingers-crossed:
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I've been actively logging in hopes to grab the FTV Stick 5.0.3 -> 5.0.5 URL but at by the looks of it someone going from 3.x -> 5.0.5 should be able to grab it first. We shall see... :fingers-crossed:
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5 to 5 updates are all incremental, and I have them already. I need the 3.x -> 5.0.x update to get the full system image.
I have another stick on it's way from Amazon.co.uk, if it comes with 3.x how do I get what you need?
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I have another stick on it's way from Amazon.co.uk, if it comes with 3.x how do I get what you need?
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I just received the URLs from @AFTVnews.com
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I just received the URLs from @AFTVnews.com
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Is there any chance these will be urls will be posted, or is it worth posting, or some risk if they are posted? Couldn't we use the url to copy the image and force the update? I guess now that you have the URLs the best things will come, but I definitely want to get my stick to a rootable place =)
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Is there any chance these will be urls will be posted, or is it worth posting, or some risk if they are posted? Couldn't we use the url to copy the image and force the update? I guess now that you have the URLs the best things will come, but I definitely want to get my stick to a rootable place =)
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AFTVNews used to have a list of software updates and their URLs. Dunno if it still does. Unfortunately you can't force the update, as you need to be able to write to /cache to do it.
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AFTVNews used to have a list of software updates and their URLs. Dunno if it still does. Unfortunately you can't force the update, as you need to be able to write to /cache to do it.
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ok I saw it wasn't updated on @AFTVnews.com site ( http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ ) but I guess without r/w /cache it isn't as important wonder if we could replay the sw update check and use a pc proxy to push it. I'm sure I'm not thinking of something more advanced than what you already have though so I can stop and await the update patiently like everyone else, and see if you have the custom recovery already. I guess I'm just excited that after all this time the stick is finally software rootable. That hardware method was a little too tight soldering for me on the stick... at least without some other donor device to practice a few times
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ok I saw it wasn't updated on @AFTVnews.com site ( http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ ) but I guess without r/w /cache it isn't as important wonder if we could replay the sw update check and use a pc proxy to push it. I'm sure I'm not thinking of something more advanced than what you already have though so I can stop and await the update patiently like everyone else, and see if you have the custom recovery already. I guess I'm just excited that after all this time the stick is finally software rootable. That hardware method was a little too tight soldering for me on the stick... at least without some other donor device to practice a few times
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The software talks to the update server over ssl and sends it encrypted data. Can't be faked.
Just got the update on the firetv stick today. I guess I can kingroot it now, but is there any chance that there will be another root method for these?
Update: used kingroot 4.1 and it said it failed, but after a reboot it was in fact rooted. Next used adb with su command to pm disable dcp and ota
ImCoKeMaN said:
ok I saw it wasn't updated on @AFTVnews.com site ( http://www.aftvnews.com/software/ ) but I guess without r/w /cache it isn't as important wonder if we could replay the sw update check and use a pc proxy to push it. I'm sure I'm not thinking of something more advanced than what you already have though so I can stop and await the update patiently like everyone else, and see if you have the custom recovery already. I guess I'm just excited that after all this time the stick is finally software rootable. That hardware method was a little too tight soldering for me on the stick... at least without some other donor device to practice a few times
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I've been meaning to update that page for some time now. It needs to be completely redone since there are now newer devices and forks due to the dev preview and the voice vs non-voice Fire TV Stick split.
The URLs are no secret. I hope to get around to updating my software page next week. For the time being, here is everything missing from that page for those interested.
Fire TV Update URLS
2nd-gen: 5.0 to 5.0.2.1
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-521044920-to-531006320.bin
2nd-gen: 5.0.2.1 to 5.0.2.2
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-531006320-to-531006420.bin
2nd-gen: 5.0 to 5.0.2.2
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-521044920-to-531006420.bin
2nd-gen: 5.0.2.2 to 5.0.3
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-531006420-to-532011220.bin
2nd-gen: 5.0.2.1 to 5.0.3
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-531006320-to-532011220.bin
2nd-gen: 5.0.3 to 5.0.3.1
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-532011220-to-534011720.bin
1st-gen Dev Preview - v5.0.3 (previous one is 5.0.0)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...te-kindle-bueller-51.5.3.2_user_532008220.bin
2nd-gen: 5.0.3.1 (534011720) to 5.0.4 (536116920)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-534011720-to-536116920.bin
2nd-gen: 5.0.4 (536116920) to 5.0.5 (537174420)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...sloane_full_sloane-536116920-to-537174420.bin
1st-gen: 51.1.6.3 to 5.0.5 (537174420)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...te-kindle-bueller-51.5.3.7_user_537174420.bin
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Fire TV Stick Update URLs
Production (non-voice) 54.1.2.3 (123067020)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...6fbe3/montoya-ota-54.1.2.3_user_123067020.bin
Dev Preview 5.0 (530042950)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...evpreview_montoya-54.5.3.0_user_530042950.bin
Dev Preview from 5.0 (530042950) to 5.0.3 (532008220)[54.5.3.2]
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...te-kindle-montoya-54.5.3.2_user_532008220.bin
Production (voice bundle) 5.0.3.2 (535062120) to 5.0.3.2/3 (535062420)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...te-montoya_montoya-535062120-to-535062420.bin
Production (voice bundle) 5.0.3.2/3 (535062420) to 5.0.4 (536116920)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...te-montoya_montoya-535062420-to-536116920.bin
Production (voice bundle) 5.0.4 (536116920) to 5.0.5 (537174420)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...te-montoya_montoya-536116920-to-537174420.bin
Production (non-voice) 5.0.5 (537174420)
http://amzdigitaldownloads.edgesuit...te-kindle-montoya-54.5.3.7_user_537174420.bin
Hey,
did you receive the official Update allready?
I got mine today and is working so far.
Update came OTA and installed without problems.
How ist it running for you?
Einherjer* said:
Hey,
did you receive the official Update allready?
I got mine today and is working so far.
Update came OTA and installed without problems.
How ist it running for you?
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Where you enrolled in Android Beta Program or you got it from android 7.0?
I got it from stock 7.0
Einherjer* said:
I got it from stock 7.0
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Wow tThat was really quick even for Google! That's good news!
and what about us?? i am in beta program i must go again to official? or they will rollin out here too?
bromoxitos said:
and what about us?? i am in beta program i must go again to official? or they will rollin out here too?
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I'm thinking those of us on beta 7.1.1 may have to roll back to 7.0 to catch OTA but not sure. Good question.. I'm gonna roll back and try and force update, no luck for me thus far on beta 711.. I'll report back later..
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I'm thinking those of us on beta 7.1.1 may have to roll back to 7.0 to catch OTA but not sure. Good question.. I'm gonna doll back and try and catch it force it and will report back later.
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I hope no need to do this, i can't make all this settings in my apps, tnx for your try to do this.
Stinks that they got rid of night light mode.
bromoxitos said:
I hope no need to do this, i can't make all this settings in my apps, tnx for your try to do this.
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Rolled back to 7.0 via ota and I've been manually hitting update and done so about 30 times.. so far no luck...
If and when I get the ota I'll report back here immediately..
NEXUZRIP2016 said:
Stinks that they got rid of night light mode.
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I agree! :/
Does anyone know whether it is possible to install the previous Google camera apk without root in Android 7.1?
bromoxitos said:
I hope no need to do this, i can't make all this settings in my apps, tnx for your try to do this.
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Looks like beta people will get ota as well. This article says so..
Google launches Android 7.1.1 for select Nexus models
http://in.pcmag.com/google-nexus-6p...-launches-android-711-for-select-nexus-models
Another article on an update for our Google camera: https://www.xda-developers.com/new-shooting-modes-in-google-camera/
toro_37 said:
Looks like beta people will get ota as well. This article says so..
Google launches Android 7.1.1 for select Nexus models
http://in.pcmag.com/google-nexus-6p...-launches-android-711-for-select-nexus-models
Another article on an update for our Google camera: https://www.xda-developers.com/new-shooting-modes-in-google-camera/
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Great news tnx a lot for this info
I got the stock 7.1.1 OTA yesterday it's running good.
Hit the check now button to check manually, even if it already did automatically you can find the update manually.
Do anyone know if stock nexus builds support f2fs, and if, for which partitions? (I've done some mild google'ing on the topic with no definite answers).
I'm on the beta still no OTA update even when checking it manually
lefantome said:
I'm on the beta still no OTA update even when checking it manually
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I checked mine about 100 times manually then downloaded full ota and flashed it using FlashFire app yesterday.
Any word on the Bluetooth issue from DP1+DP2 going away?
I had the beta 7.1, and had not received the official OTA.
my wife also has a 5X, but on 7.0, she got the notification the day after I read that they were rolling it out "in the next few weeks"
so I updated hers, then un-enrolled my device and as soon as I restarted mine I got the notification for 7.1.1
So far life is good with it, nothing major
the 2 things I am most peeved about is no Daydream VR and still have the Google search bar front and center (figuratively)
I enrolled my Nexus 5X in the beta program and when I try to side load the official 7.1.1 release it gives me an error: "Can't install this package over newer build. Installation aborted". Is there any significant change taking about stability and battery from the DP2 and the official release? Thanks!
Got the update to stock 7.0 few days ago. This is the fastest I have ever received any android update.
Did not even check manually for updates as I was not expecting this to be available or few weeks!
So I am enrolled in android beta program. I was running latest version of 7.1.2 beta. I turned on phone today and had notification that the 7.1.2 N2G47H stable version was available, so I downloaded and installed. Once it installed and rebooted I received notification that 7.1.2 beta version NPG47I is available for download. Downloaded and installed and when rebooted, it told me that 7.1.2 N2G47H is available for download. This update loop is continuous, if I download one then I am notified the other is available, over and over again. Please help. What do I do? Should I just download beta NPG47I and ignore N2G47H stable update, since it looks like beta version is newer release? Unfortunately either way I am still going to have persistent notification of an update available.
peklucher said:
So I am enrolled in android beta program. I was running latest version of 7.1.2 beta. I turned on phone today and had notification that the 7.1.2 N2G47H stable version was available, so I downloaded and installed. Once it installed and rebooted I received notification that 7.1.2 beta version NPG47I is available for download. Downloaded and installed and when rebooted, it told me that 7.1.2 N2G47H is available for download. This update loop is continuous, if I download one then I am notified the other is available, over and over again. Please help. What do I do? Should I just download beta NPG47I and ignore N2G47H stable update, since it looks like beta version is newer release? Unfortunately either way I am still going to have persistent notification of an update available.
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Unenroll from the beta program.
If I unenroll from beta program , it will completely wipe my phone right?
Got this issue as well, surely it should remain on the stable till the next beta, possibly O and not notify about an old beta. Never happened before. Unenrolling from the beta means a factory reset? Must be a universal problem.
sleeves007 said:
Got this issue as well, surely it should remain on the stable till the next beta, possibly O and not notify about an old beta. Never happened before. Unenrolling from the beta means a factory reset? Must be a universal problem.
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Same problem here
When do you stop and just ignore the update
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I came on here to find out if it was just me having this issue! I've done the pair 3 times now just in case, so now I've installed the massive update, then the smaller one and am just going to leave it and ignore the update available notification!
Not quite up for a factory reset, they'll notice soon enough and sort it out!
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I came on here to find out if it was just me having this issue! I've done the pair 3 times now just in case, so now I've installed the massive update, then the smaller one and am just going to leave it and ignore the update available notification!
Not quite up for a factory reset, they'll notice soon enough and sort it out!
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I got the small update first
Should I stop after that or after the large one?
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clsA said:
I got the small update first
Should I stop after that or after the large one?
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I've pushed so many buttons since starting I had to think, and your right, the small update came first (25mb) then the large (1.3gb) one...
It's currently asking me to install the large one (NGP47I) again. Might let it do that, then at least it's had the pair and Google can kill the request when they wake up to hopefully lots of notifications and bug reports about it in the morning!
Although I'm not sure what overwrites what... I presume the NGP47I is the big update, then the small one is just a mop up?
Currently looking in the custom rom section though, that always leads to me wanting to customise it and leave the stock ecosystem...
Same issue there. I may unenroll anyway, since my phone has been laggy as hell recently.
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beko1987 said:
I've pushed so many buttons since starting I had to think, and your right, the small update came first (25mb) then the large (1.3gb) one...
It's currently asking me to install the large one (NGP47I) again. Might let it do that, then at least it's had the pair and Google can kill the request when they wake up to hopefully lots of notifications and bug reports about it in the morning!
Although I'm not sure what overwrites what... I presume the NGP47I is the big update, then the small one is just a mop up?
Currently looking in the custom rom section though, that always leads to me wanting to customise it and leave the stock ecosystem...
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murso74 said:
Same issue there. I may unenroll anyway, since my phone has been laggy as hell recently.
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Large update = March security patch
Small update = April security patch / N2G47H is newer
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If I unenroll from beta program , it will completely wipe my phone right?
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Got this issue as well, surely it should remain on the stable till the next beta, possibly O and not notify about an old beta. Never happened before. Unenrolling from the beta means a factory reset? Must be a universal problem.
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NPG47I is beta 2 and N2G47H is stable. There is not a newer beta, just the timestamp. Un-enrolling from the beta program will not wipe your phone. They will "eventually" send down an downgrade 7.1.1 OTA that you can flash if you decide to... or not. Nothing happens to wipe your phone in the background unless you decide to flash the downgrade OTA. If you are unlocked just flash the full stable image from Google. If you do this, you will not get any more notifications. If you are not unlocked and doomed to only OTA's, then unenroll and leave it on N2G47H until the May security update in 2.5 weeks. You can also try turning off "Automatic system updates" in dev settings but some ppl report mixed results.
So I installed stable version of 7.1.2 and unenrolled my phone from the beta program. Shut down and restarted phone and now all is right in the world. No more loop or persistent notification, and nothing got wiped. Sucks not being in the beta but I guess I can wait until the next beta release and re-enroll myself.
Left it on the stable 7.1.2, persistent notification present, disappeared today and all is good, still enrolled.
Hi,
My phone doesn't detect new security updates. I'm stucked at the August one and the Support says that it's normal.
What can I do?
Thanks!
antonio8909 said:
Hi,
My phone doesn't detect new security updates. I'm stucked at the August one and the Support says that it's normal.
What can I do?
Thanks!
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Be happy that you have fully working software. Major problems have been introduced in the October Security update, and even more problems are in the Oreo beta. I'd recommend staying on 7.1.1 August.
antonio8909 said:
Hi,
My phone doesn't detect new security updates. I'm stucked at the August one and the Support says that it's normal.
What can I do?
Thanks!
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It might be that in your region updates aren't available. If you're willing to take the risk, you can try registering for the oreo beta update. Personally I haven't had any issues with my phone, but that's me. You might not be so lucky
redweaver said:
It might be that in your region updates aren't available. If you're willing to take the risk, you can try registering for the oreo beta update. Personally I haven't had any issues with my phone, but that's me. You might not be so lucky
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I live in Spain and I didn't saw any problems here with updates :/ It's a very strange issue
chancooluk said:
Be happy that you have fully working software. Major problems have been introduced in the October Security update, and even more problems are in the Oreo beta. I'd recommend staying on 7.1.1 August.
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Problems? I understand that in Oreo beta you can get more bugs but what are the problems with 7.1.2?
Thanks
antonio8909 said:
Problems? I understand that in Oreo beta you can get more bugs but what are the problems with 7.1.2?
Thanks
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I'm talking specifically about the background tasks bug. Search the forums, it absolutely cripples the phone and requires a reboot twice daily to keep the phone running normally.
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I'm talking specifically about the background tasks bug. Search the forums, it absolutely cripples the phone and requires a reboot twice daily to keep the phone running normally.
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But it was going to be fixed in Oreo, right?
antonio8909 said:
But it was going to be fixed in Oreo, right?
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Unfortunately it isn't fixed in the Oreo beta, neither is the SMS receiving bug (although that can be resolved by installing a third party SMS app). The Oreo beta has also introduced a load of Bluetooth problems (connection issues, poor quality audio, remote buttons not working).
It is currently not known if HMD will actual fix the issues in the final Oreo build.
I have never experienced any of these issues.
One thing I wonder is what if you rolled back to 7.1.1 then upgraded straight to oreo beta (if that's possible)? I'm just wondering if the issue doesn't have something to do with 7.1.2