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Dear Friends and Community,
I recently acquired the S4 with moderate excitement. I already had a S3 and I was very happy with it but I had the option to get an S4 after extending one of our contracts so I went for it and gave my S3 to my wife - she's very happy with it now But i am not very happy with my S4 for 2 reasons:
- Extensive heat generation (36-47C) while surfing, watching videos, natigating calling etc.
- The heat seems to originate from the top portion of the phone on the back as well as the front side around the camera. it is uncomfortable to hold it against my hear on call
- My S3 did not heat up this much or this often. I also did not have any battery charge cliffs or jumps with my S3.
- As the device heats up, the battery drains INSANELY fast. Also I've noticed a disruptive and sudden battery discharge. As I charged my device for the frist time to 100% moments later the battery level jumped from for example 95% to 82% in one second. Is this due to battery calibration issues (because the device is new and the battery has not been charged many times yet) or is this something that can be considered a hardware flaw of the battery or device? I could be watching a video at medium brightness and my battery would go down by 1% each 2 minutes.
Sometimes during use and especially when it heats up some percentages are skipped while discharging (95%, 93%, 89% without sequencing down one by one but rather as 'chunks' of battery loss. ) did you exhibit similar behavior on your phone? Are these battery 'jumps' tied to the heat development?
And now the main questions: Should I return the device and exchange it against a new one or should I wait until Rom development or a patch tackles the problem ? I've already installed a recent OTA from Samsung and hoped the problem would vanish but no luck.
I'd be thrilled to hear your Opinions.
Best,
Thomas
Ive also noticed heating up and fast battery discharge, not one full day of normal usage, my s3 lasted at least 2 times longer. i hope it will pass as i finish 3 times battery charge discharge. for now im excited with camera quality and benchmarks scores i love this phone already, its still plastic but i dont care, with every phone i use silicon or other cases, for s4 i bought original samsung case with plastic back rounded by rubber.
In few days if overheating and fast discharge will not pass on its own i will flash firmware again with kies (repeir mode) and reset all settings.
I also experienced the same issue, its getting hot not warm while doing normal tasks... Dear Thomas u have see temp. in between 37 to 47 but my phone heats upto 55c while gaming... now my phone is with samsung service center, but i am not sure they will replace it with new one as their policy allows replacement only within seven days from the date of purchase and i bought it 27th April itself, just next day of launch. Now i am thinking that why the hell i rushed to buy it. i should have waited for user reviews...
And BTW flashing original firmware doesn't help. Because people at service center had done that and given my cell back to me, but that issue was still there so submitted it again to the service center.....
Are you guys getting these temperature readings using e.g. Battery temperature reading of Cool Tool?
My battery temperature as reported by cool tool never got above 40C but it felt quite hot to the touch already And I am not using any case on it...
I have a case arround it. I will play some games later to see where the temp peaks. but I think it will also be around 50 because it already gets pretty warm doing basic stuff like watching videos or using viber to call.
It feels like this is a problem for all S4's out there.
Check out this video at min 3:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aUx40kXZF5s (Steep drops in battery)
I really don't want to send in my device for no reason because I will most probably get a refurb or even a device with more problems.
I just want to know if other people have experienced similar issue.
You can check with the app called BatteryGraph and see if sometimes a few percent are skipped down the graph.
It would be great if someone did this for me
Same here with the heat. I undervolted -37,5mV and underclocked 300MHz, now everything is fine
Benchmarkscores are a little worse, but tbh, I really don't care. No current app or game is gonna use it anyway. Seems like a waste of battery life to keep the 1,9GHz clock speed.
Did the same with the Galaxy S2 I owned, which became quite hot too. Samsung has a tendency to overclock their chips just to outperform every other phone on the market, but the truth is, there is virtually no benefit in keeping the maxed clock speed in everyday use, other than doing benchmarks all the time ...
hello everyone, I'm a new note owner, I bought it used and I think it has two years on it, but it is in great shape. I noticed however, that the battery life isn't that amazing as people have told me, this coming from a Galaxy alpha user. I will leave screenshots of today's battery life and I think it isn't that amazing what it got
I've heard about battery miscalibration, is this really a thing? I can try and calibrated but I need to root it, & I wasn't really looking forward to reading it, since its lollipop on stock rom.
The screenshots are bellow of screen on time and total time, you can see that it's not consistent and I charge my phone two times a day.
http://imgur.com/a/ShaLI
I'm using lollipop official rom flashed on Odin via download mode, yes the rom is compatible with my country's frequencies so there's not really a problem there.
I notice however that the battery sort of goes down faster sometimes more than others, sometimes even going as far as draining 10% simply being on stand-by with LTE enabled for 2 hours in my pocket when I'm in class.
Is this normal behavior?
I don't think there is any such thing called miscalibration, I mean I am not sure, but well.
If your phone is 2 years old, then I think the battery has seen its life, time to get a new one mate.
Battery recalibrates itself .
However as the battery is old then Drain the battery to 5% power off charge fully unplug wait one hour top up charge and use .
Next step is new battery Anker brand is good .
Wiping battery stats/ supposed calibration has nothing to do with battery calibration and will make no difference .
Lithium-ion batteries last about 300-500 charging cycles, after that the risk of it dying increases exponentially. Some last 5 years, some 1. It depends on usage and environmental factors.
There is no such thing as recalibrating a modern lithium ion battery. It doesn't have a memory.
New battery costs about 20 quid, it should solve the problem.
Also, did you do a reset after the update? Updates can cause battery drain too, quite often.
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No, I did not do a reset after the update. But I noticed this before updating to lollipop, I had to do some running around before I got home the day I bought it, and it was running KitKat 4.4. I got it with 93% of battery, walked home for a bit and was down to 65, went to the shopping and back, got home with 40 to 35%. (I bought the phone at around 5 pm and finally got home after going to the mall at around 8pm)
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No, I did not do a reset after the update. But I noticed this before updating to lollipop, I had to do some running around before I got home the day I bought it, and it was running KitKat 4.4. I got it with 93% of battery, walked home for a bit and was down to 65, went to the shopping and back, got home with 40 to 35%. (I bought the phone at around 5 pm and finally got home after going to the mall at around 8pm)
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Then it's the battery, most likely.
So I just wanted to address some issues that I've had in the short time that I've had my galaxy s7 edge.
Notifications: they seem to come late sometimes, for example, I would receive the snapchat notification or twitter notification ten minutes after the other person had already sent something.
Heat: So I don't know if this is normal, but my phone seems to get warm when using the fast charger. Also, just throughout of my daily usage, the phone would also get pretty warm, especially on the right side of my phone where the edge is. I am wondering if I should factory reset to see if this will fix it.
Battery: I've been reading the battery forum a lot, and people seem to be getting pretty good battery life, so I'm pretty disappointed that I couldn't get battery life like them. I did some math, and today I got 3.5 hours of SOT with my phone being on use for 14 hours. My battery dropped 76 percent in total the whole day.
Anyone else getting similar problems?
6P has been shutting down early for a while now, usually like 10% or less which never really bothered me. Battery life seemed decent, but I never really tracked it.
Last week it started going off at 15-30% at times. But it can be random. Might go below 10% one time, next shuts off at 30%. This was on a prior version of Pure Nexus. So I tried updating to the latest build. First charge it shut down at 40%. Same crap tho, random shut off times. Today it shut down at 48%. By shut down, I mean it just suddenly gives the low battery warning, reports 0% and turns off. Many times I can restart the phone, and it will say like 1-3%, and let me use it for a while before turning off again. This most recent one at the 48% shutdown, I restarted it, showed 1%, used it for a while before it turned off again. Restarted, now shows 18%.
Wtf? Is this just a charge level reporting issue? Tried battery repair/calibration apps/techniques with no success. Nothing looks bad with regards to apps/services draining the battery. I tried accubattery and says I'm at 70% health. Don't even get 2 hours of SOT. Have a replacement battery in the mail. Think this will solve the issues?
It's known issue with some factory battery's for some reason the phone is thinking the battery is low and shutting down even though it's reporting let's say 50%. I didn't have this issue until I bought a cheap replacement would shut down at random percentages especially when opening something power hungry like camera. The only thing you can do is get a replacement and change or send it in to get changed. If you replace it yourself I suggest testing the battery before you put the phone back together. I think the 6p is a great phone and worth it to replace the battery. That just my opinion best of luck. ?
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Wtf? I tried accubattery and says I'm at 70% health. Don't even get 2 hours of SOT. Have a replacement battery in the mail. Think this will solve the issues?
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@ 70% your battery has been toast for quite a while. This degradation doesn't happen overnight. If you did your research and purchased one of the "good" replacement batteries from a known good vendor then, yes it will likely completely solve your problem. If you just bought a random battery from Ebay or BFE, then you may have another dud on your hands. Suggest testing the new battery with Accubattery before sealing it back up. Best of luck.
Exodusche said:
It's known issue with some factory battery's for some reason the phone is thinking the battery is low and shutting down even though it's reporting let's say 50%. I didn't have this issue until I bought a cheap replacement would shut down at random percentages especially when opening something power hungry like camera. The only thing you can do is get a replacement and change or send it in to get changed. If you replace it yourself I suggest testing the battery before you put the phone back together. I think the 6p is a great phone and worth it to replace the battery. That just my opinion best of luck.
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Interesting. Did notice a couple of the times it shut down, and it was this last time at 48% as well, was when opening a power hungry game. And yes I agree the 6p is still awesome today, by far the longest I've had a phone. Considered getting the Pixel 2 XL, but it's a waste of money to me if I can get the 6P working well again.
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@ 70% your battery has been toast for quite a while. This degradation doesn't happen overnight. If you did your research and purchased one of the "good" replacement batteries from a known good vendor then, yes it will likely completely solve your problem. If you just bought a random battery from Ebay or BFE, then you may have another dud on your hands. Suggest testing the new battery with Accubattery before sealing it back up. Best of luck.
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Hmm, yeah I grabbed one off ebay. Had over 500 sold though, so hopefully not too terrible, but I will test.
I think it has really degraded in the last ~6 months. Possibly from numerous partial charges? Got a new job in April, and I'm often traveling to different sites only 10-15 minutes apart. During this time plug it into my car for Android Auto.
Thanks for the help guys!
In the same boat (But I have a solution for me)
2 weeks ago I upgraded from a beaten GS6 Edge and I am quite fond of my new phone. However I started experiencing this issue, ignored it for the first week since my S6 at 100% battery would die in an hour or two, if I'm lucky. Then the battery problem became an interest to me. I had read a lot of threads on the issue, some saying its a hardware problem, and some saying just a software bug that hasn't (or can't) be fixed. SOOOO at this point I said screw it and just accepted my phone battery as it is. Installed Dirty Unicorns Rom, messed with settings, and boom a breakthrough (I think). DU has a feature called smart pixels in which to save battery life turns off a percentage of the pixels. Wasn't to fond of this at first, but in order to make my 60 - 70 percent battery last i set it to the lowest setting. Every since then I have had maybe one random shutdown, it's only been a week and a lot could change but for me its working pretty well.
Sidenote: I found that not using camera apps, nor Google assistant had also prevented random shutdowns (this helped me with smart pixels enabled and disabled, if you wanna give it ago on stock)
Hello guys. I am experiencing random shutting downs on my phone too. I bought it in January 2017.
What I have observed and today was confirmed is that I have these unexpected shutting down when I charge the phone with fast charge. Today my phone was at 60% and shut down. When I plugged my phone on the charger, the phone was again at 60%!!! How was it possible? I think the problem might be the battery or the internal controller of the charging system...
Still love my essential after 1.5 years but been having a few issues lately:
First there is this blue spot that appeared on my screen last month
Second i'm experiencing serious battery issues : battery drains super quickly and often shut down phone around 50%. A few months ago I had excellent battery life (whole day without needing to charge), even on latest Android 10 (stock non rooted). I tried a few things including a factory reset without any success...
Screen issue I can live with but battery no... so I ordered a battery from aliexpress and prepare mentally for the repair with this video . Any further advice?
My essential was refurbished so it may explain the short battery life but I am wondering if alot of ph1 owners still run fine on original battery after 2 years? Mine was also dropped in water 6 months ago but without immediate issues but could be related to recent problems I am facing now
Anyhow, would really like to rock this phone at least 6 more months!
Mine is original bought from Amazon deal 1 1/2 years ago. The battery is still great. Fully charged at 9:30pm, next morning at 6:00am, the battery is 97%.
Phone never got dropped or water damage. I took good care of it, and hoping I can use it until Black Friday this year.
It sounds like @chanh2018 doesn't charge the phone way past when it's full. The PH-1 is one of the (many) devices that do not stop charging and draw from the charger when full.
If your use of the phone is different, the device gets run down then fully charged repetitively, then the wear on your battery will be higher. These comparisons are not really valid because of people's different habits.
My PH-1 battery is in good shape, even though it spends a silly amount of time on a charger. I use a Magisk adjacent (there is a module, also an app but I install by script) project called Advanced Charging Controller (ACC). When the upper charge level is reached, on the PH-1, it stops charging and discharges to the lower set-point. On a normal day, that range is 70%-80%. If I'm using the screen for a long period, like navigation, the same is 40%-41%.
I've done something similar since my N6 and have had little battery trouble.
That makes sense - I'm always plugging my phone before going to bed and let it charge until the morning so that might explain my battery issue.
I thought it was smart enough to stop charging for a while when 100% was reached... I'll pay attention to that when I get my new battery!
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That makes sense - I'm always plugging my phone before going to bed and let it charge until the morning so that might explain my battery issue.
I thought it was smart enough to stop charging for a while when 100% was reached... I'll pay attention to that when I get my new battery!
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Well....I don't charge my phone overnight, but I always let it goes up to 100% and I don't have any issue with it.
It's been 1 1/2 year and still running like first day. Maybe I'm just lucky.
chanh2018 said:
Well....I don't charge my phone overnight, but I always let it goes up to 100% and I don't have any issue with it.
It's been 1 1/2 year and still running like first day. Maybe I'm just lucky.
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There are many factors that influence battery condition. Factors like heat, both ambient and charging related, the speed of charging(e.g. quick vrs trickle), the depth of discharge/charge. An in depth writing on the subject is available at the battery university.
liquor said:
Still love my essential after 1.5 years but been having a few issues lately:
First there is this blue spot that appeared on my screen last month
Second i'm experiencing serious battery issues : battery drains super quickly and often shut down phone around 50%. A few months ago I had excellent battery life (whole day without needing to charge), even on latest Android 10 (stock non rooted). I tried a few things including a factory reset without any success...
Screen issue I can live with but battery no... so I ordered a battery from aliexpress and prepare mentally for the repair with this video . Any further advice?
My essential was refurbished so it may explain the short battery life but I am wondering if alot of ph1 owners still run fine on original battery after 2 years? Mine was also dropped in water 6 months ago but without immediate issues but could be related to recent problems I am facing now
Anyhow, would really like to rock this phone at least 6 more months!
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Worked the battery change for you? Since three days I have also heavy battery drain. It needs around 140mAh per hour screen off. My battery health is only 66% said accubattery. I also tried a factory reset...didnt worked. The Phone is like yours 1,5 years old.
I love it too and dont want to change :/
liquor said:
Still love my essential after 1.5 years but been having a few issues lately:
First there is this blue spot that appeared on my screen last month
Second i'm experiencing serious battery issues : battery drains super quickly and often shut down phone around 50%. A few months ago I had excellent battery life (whole day without needing to charge), even on latest Android 10 (stock non rooted). I tried a few things including a factory reset without any success...
Screen issue I can live with but battery no... so I ordered a battery from aliexpress and prepare mentally for the repair with this video . Any further advice?
My essential was refurbished so it may explain the short battery life but I am wondering if alot of ph1 owners still run fine on original battery after 2 years? Mine was also dropped in water 6 months ago but without immediate issues but could be related to recent problems I am facing now
Anyhow, would really like to rock this phone at least 6 more months!
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Another possibility is that there is some current leakage due to moisture maybe via dendritic growth which could cause current to leak after dendrites have had time to grow.
(As you dropped in water and/or due to reconditioning work leaving residue on PCB dendrites is more likely to occur as rework normally use no clean soldiering products & likely less clean working methods than factory)
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xTHXxx said:
Worked the battery change for you? Since three days I have also heavy battery drain. It needs around 140mAh per hour screen off. My battery health is only 66% said accubattery. I also tried a factory reset...didnt worked. The Phone is like yours 1,5 years old.
I love it too and dont want to change :/
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Could be battery failing (not sure how those battery apps calculate rating) though I'd also be looking at a recent app update being incompatible first for such sudden onset (any apps showing higher than normal battery usage) or maybe issue with your wifi/data
My PH-1 is also 1.5 years old and is now having serious battery issues. About two months ago my phone went from "feeling normal" to losing about 3-4 hours of charge per day. On new years day my phone hit 50% and shut off. The phone was not hot at that time. Since that shut-off event my battery only lasts about a quarter of what it would as new.
It would be nice if Essential offered a service to replace the batteries for a fee. I would really like to see replaceable batteries come back in style.
JD
IronRoo said:
Another possibility is that there is some current leakage due to moisture maybe via dendritic growth which could cause current to leak after dendrites have had time to grow.
(As you dropped in water and/or due to reconditioning work leaving residue on PCB dendrites is more likely to occur as rework normally use no clean soldiering products & likely less clean working methods than factory)
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Could be battery failing (not sure how those battery apps calculate rating) though I'd also be looking at a recent app update being incompatible first for such sudden onset (any apps showing higher than normal battery usage) or maybe issue with your wifi/data
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It was the wifi Adapter. I would not habe thought but after disable it I got my old, for one day sufficient battery drain back. I have enough mobile data to live without wifi...not the best Solution but its okay.
I just changed out my battery over the weekend. It was actually much easier than the videos on the web lead you to believe. Now i have tons of battery life and it's back to the way it was when i first bought the phone. Very happy!!
JD
JudasD said:
I just changed out my battery over the weekend. It was actually much easier than the videos on the web lead you to believe. Now i have tons of battery life and it's back to the way it was when i first bought the phone. Very happy!!
JD
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Sweet. Where did you get the battery and which video guide do you recommend? According to AccuBattery my battery's health is 85% but feels like 50!
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eKeith said:
Sweet. Where did you get the battery and which video guide do you recommend? According to AccuBattery my battery's health is 85% but feels like 50!
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For me accubattery said 45% and it really did feel like 45%! LOL
The battery i used was from amazon here: https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B07T28KL8B/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o01_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
I did not do any research on the battery. it was the only one i could find that would get here quickly. So far it is working fine, but time will be the true judge.
main videos to use is:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BCKxAQXdTJ8&t=618s
the main guide to use is:
https://www.ifixit.com/Guide/Essential+Phone+Battery+Replacement/123496
The video is good in that it shows the heat gun to use and how to use it. The only downside to the video is they give the impression that the suction does more than it really does. (this is where the guide below comes in) For me it was a mix of suction cup and very light prying.
The guide is by iFixit and it is very helpful. IMPORTANT: DO NOT THE IFIXIT YOUTUBE VIDEO, IT IS NO GOOD!
The iFixit guide shows you where to make your initial tool insertion (i used a playing card edge) and how deep you actually have to play with around the edges. I also did not use scalpels like they do in the guide. I used only playing cards as it is MUCH safer when going around the edges. The playing cards can cut the adhesive, but will not cut the screen substrate. WARNING: THE PLAYING CARDS CAN STILL LIFT THE SUBSTRATE IF YOU GET TOO AGGRESSIVE, THEY JUST CANNOT CUT IT. BE CAREFUL AS YOU CAN STILL CAUSE DAMAGE.
In summary, the approach is a mix of heatgun and suction cup with playing cards around the edges. Take your time. It took me about 30 mins to get the screen off. After that it is super easy, just be patient.
I'll gladly answer any questions you might have.
Good Luck,
JD
Great! Thanks much for taking the time to share such detailed info.
I think that I will wait a little longer until my battery gets worse but I have bookmarked your references...
I also changed my battery last weekend but used a combination of guitar picks / scalpel / playing cards to decouple the screen after heating the edges with hairdryer.
Result : I damaged my screen so I prime ordered a new one for 80$ CAD. Once connected, I used b7000 glue carefully on the frame edges and put the phone under a big book for 24h.
Phone now feels like new and I hope it for last a while...