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MiFavor vs stock android

Hi,
My question is how different is MiFavor from stock android experience. Is it mainly stock with few extras or is it completely re-skinned like Samsung skin or MIUI? How frustrating would MiFavour be for ex-Nexus users?
I've read about lockscreen nonsense and the additional settings tab. I've also heard that dialer and camera apps are different. Are they very different? And what about notifications and and notification bar & icons?
I'm asking this because I'm looking for the new phone. Just 3 main requirements: good audio, sd card, unskinned Nexus-like android. The closest to these are HTC10 and Axon7. Both are just over £400 now, so I'm choosing between the two.
Thanks in advance for your help!

Buy OnePlus 3 if you can

HTC10 or Oneplus 3 are better overall packages, unfortunately. Unless you REALLY want loud speakers, I'd recommend one of them over the Axon 7. Oneplus 3 if you want custom roms and a bigger screen, HTC 10 if you're fine staying stock and want a smaller phone.

Oneplus3 is a great phone, except there is no expandable storage and no independent DAC.
HTC10 seems like a much better overall package with excellent camera, however sound-wise it is not as good as Axon and also Sense seems to be further away from stock then MiFavor. Or at least that was the impression I've got from reviews.

Everybody losing their minds over this phone wanting it to be like every other phone out there. It's a great phone and yes it does have some quirks just like every other phone out there.
$400 for flagship specs and a well build phone is an amazing deal. Compare the specs and watch some review on YouTube and formulate your own discision based on what you want and need and not what some one expected or assumed and are now pissed off.
Not to mention they have a great return policy if you see after a couple weeks it's not for you.

ItsLasher said:
formulate your own discision based on what you want and need and not what some one expected or assumed and are now pissed off.
Not to mention they have a great return policy if you see after a couple weeks it's not for you.
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Totally agree!
I was still hopping to hear from people who used to have Nexus phones before moving to Axon. How is the overall experience in terms of software? Most of the reviews tell about the lock screen bell, which sounds annoying, but I can live with that. Is that the only major difference?
Thanks!

The solution for the bell is to use tasker and autoinput to basically auto-touch that spot on the screen everytime the screen turns on. It's stupid that is necessary but it works like 95% of the time.
Being on my 8th Android smartphone, I've used everything from CM7 to CM13, AOSP, Touchwiz, Sense, Whatever LG has...this feels pretty stock to me honestly. I think MOST of the things that you can see and interact with like gesture stuff, ZTE apps, and all that can be avoided and it doesn't feel to intrusive (besides the bell). When I went back to my Moto x Pure for a week or so, that phone definitely feels more natural to me to use, but this is close.
Also just a couple screen-on things to keep in mind: The moto style wave to wake thing basically doesn't work with ACdisplay or Ambient Notifications, at least not reliably enough to use normally. And the double tap to wake totally sucks. I still use it but it is way worse than say the LG G4. Just things to keep in mind.
The notification shade seems like a hybrid of the Moto and some more older standard power buttons. They are not interactive, meaning you can't unhide a menu of a few Bluetooth devices from the notification button. You have to long press to get into the menu or set up a shortcut. Not a huge thing but the functionality was better with more interaction.
The camera app is ok. It has a multi filter button where you can see the preview shot with like 9 different potential filters, press the one you want most, and then shoot it. It's kinda cool but probably not unique. The cameras I have use on all of my phones have been so drastically different that this didn't throw me off.
Hope this helped a bit.

xgerryx said:
The solution for the bell is to use tasker and autoinput to basically auto-touch that spot on the screen everytime the screen turns on. It's stupid that is necessary but it works like 95% of the time.
Being on my 8th Android smartphone, I've used everything from CM7 to CM13, AOSP, Touchwiz, Sense, Whatever LG has...this feels pretty stock to me honestly. I think MOST of the things that you can see and interact with like gesture stuff, ZTE apps, and all that can be avoided and it doesn't feel to intrusive (besides the bell). When I went back to my Moto x Pure for a week or so, that phone definitely feels more natural to me to use, but this is close.
Also just a couple screen-on things to keep in mind: The moto style wave to wake thing basically doesn't work with ACdisplay or Ambient Notifications, at least not reliably enough to use normally. And the double tap to wake totally sucks. I still use it but it is way worse than say the LG G4. Just things to keep in mind.
The notification shade seems like a hybrid of the Moto and some more older standard power buttons. They are not interactive, meaning you can't unhide a menu of a few Bluetooth devices from the notification button. You have to long press to get into the menu or set up a shortcut. Not a huge thing but the functionality was better with more interaction.
The camera app is ok. It has a multi filter button where you can see the preview shot with like 9 different potential filters, press the one you want most, and then shoot it. It's kinda cool but probably not unique. The cameras I have use on all of my phones have been so drastically different that this didn't throw me off.
Hope this helped a bit.
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It's my 44th phone. I think I have a problem lol

xxBrun0xx said:
It's my 44th phone. I think I have a problem lol
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What in the world haha. I don't even think 44 phones would appeal to me! Jesus. Well, among people I know, I think 8 is a good number. I used to be stuck on 2-year plans and finally got off those. In the last 18 months I've had 4. I doubt I'll catch up to 44 though.

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What in the world haha. I don't even think 44 phones would appeal to me! Jesus. Well, among people I know, I think 8 is a good number. I used to be stuck on 2-year plans and finally got off those. In the last 18 months I've had 4. I doubt I'll catch up to 44 though.
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I've been on prepaid since the early days of android. I flipped phones while I was in college as a way to help pay tuition, so that accounted for a lot of the devices I've owned. For the past few years I've been on the "buy used, sell ~3 months later for exactly what you paid" train. Swappa makes this really easy. This is the secret behind always having new devices and never paying anything (or very little) out of pocket to having them.
You used to be able to buy phones on Craigslist and sell them on eBay or Swappa for way more, since people didn't realize that even though they only spent $100 at the Verizon store on their Note 3, it was actually worth $400. But since the carriers started itemizing the bills, people have wised up to this and that trick really doesn't work anymore.

xgerryx: Thanks a lot. It is very helpful.

Side By Side Video Comparison: LG G6 vs Google Pixel

While I know there aren't a large number of Pixel owners considering jumping to the LG G6, I'm one who is open to it. I stumbled across this guy's comparison video to give me a good idea of exactly what the switch would look like for me.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DLfhhv5c0wI
Beneftis of the LG G6:
- That beautiful screen with very small bezels
- The (dual) cameras
- Wireless charging (why did this go away with recent Nexus/Pixel devices?)
- IP68 Water resistance
However, I don't understand why LG and Samsung still find it necessary to apply their own skins/software over what is already an excellent and fluid experience with pure Android. The reality is that this alone will likely end up being the deal breaker for me. Especially as I watch my wife's 2 month old Galaxy S7 lag like crazy under very simple tasks. If LG/Samsung got their heads out of their butts and figured out that if they kept their hands off the software, there wouldn't even be a need for the Nexus/Pixel lines.

sn0warmy said:
I don't understand why LG and Samsung still find it necessary to apply their own skins/software over what is already an excellent and fluid experience with pure Android.
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I believe this is one of the great things about Android that brings in so many new features. If everyone ran stock Android, the only people thinking up new ideas would be Google themselves. However when you let Samsung, LG, HTC, etc. put their own twists on Android, the whole community gets to see new ideas that they never thought of before. Many of these are useless gimmicks, but others are incredibly useful. Just to name a few features that custom skins introduced that pure Android did not have at the time:
Quick toggles
Multi-window
Clear all recent apps
Double tap to wake
Always on display
Reset option in the power menu
Flashlight
Double tap home button / twist to launch camera
I'm sure there are tons more, but that's just the top of my head.

I forgot about LG's implementation of Double Tap to Wake. I had that on my G4 and it was flawless. The same feature on my Google Pixel works maybe 50% of the time. I miss the G4 for that.
I just wish they could implement their own software without adding UI lag along with it. It seems to happen no matter how much faster the internal hardware gets on these phones. Maybe that will change with the G6. We shall see.

If only I could find someone who would get a G6 and trade me for my pixel.

aholeinthewor1d said:
If only I could find someone who would get a G6 and trade me for my pixel.
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You could always sell yours on Swappa and buy a G6.

It looks nice. I don't like the UI and I'm sure it will have reboot issues like all the recent LG devices. Another thing to consider is that the Pixel devices will always be on the latest version of Android. with the G6 who knows when it will get 7.1.2 or Android O, whatever the case may be. And while the 18:9 aspect ratio on the G6 is cool, I don't expect other manufacturers to follow suit. It's probably another gimmick.

geoff5093 said:
You could always sell yours on Swappa and buy a G6.
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True. I can't check right now but I'd be curious how much I could get for a 32GB black Pixel in 100% perfect condition (literally just like out of the box) with an unlocked bootloader... Compared to how much a G6 would be

Performance issues-packed up for return. Power users please chime in and help

I had the first android G1, but around 2011 I went full time IOS. I'm a power user for work and play. I still get back to every Samsung flagship to give Android a try, though not yet the s8- I'm not paying full price for flagships anymore.
Please help me figure out why android is so close to iOS, but just not there- maybe it's the settings or the apps.
So in my work I often am in and out of the car, and I usually have streaming media of some kind, usually podcasts. In my opinion this is where iOS really
Shines through with excellence and a seamless trouble free experience.
Yesterday I'm listening to podcast via Bluetooth (I also have a newer car with CarPlay, but I've never used with android, but I do with my iOS work phone).... I get out of the car and obviously the podcast stops.
I get back in the car and an app I use for work s-h-o-u-l-d let your navigate to an address and automatically open google maps and navigate. Google maps opens but just hangs there- never pulls the address from the app and never starts to navigate. Okay fine- so I type the unique address (getting irritable) into google maps and move on.
With iOS, that podcast would have started by now also. Does it? Nope. I can see from my on screen display the podcast name, and when I press play, does it start? Nope. Never started in the 25 minute drive. I could have opened the podcast app (which by the way- please tell me what is the BEST one for android, maybe that is the problem), but part of the experience you want the phone to bring is that you don't kill yourself swiping around on the phone while driving .
Then there's the camera. I bought a used iPhone SE for 150 and it beats this G5 camera all day long it seems. I understand there are some custom settings maybe, so I'll give the camera some time.
Oh, and then I was really hoping the G5 would have a working hotspot out of the box for my cricket unlimited plan, but that will probably come with a non-root work around after this phone is around awhile?
I packaged the G5 up for return to amazon, but I can't return. I'm wanting to give it a try. Any suggestions on the the things I need?
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you are comparing a second hand Ferrari to brand new honda. even if Ferrari is cheaper you won't get the same experience on honda.
that SE has better cpu/gpu (running on lower res screen), camera and costs more ( brand new), g5 has mid range specs. how can it give you same experience lol.

kraatus90 said:
you are comparing a second hand Ferrari to brand new honda. even if Ferrari is cheaper you won't get the same experience on honda.
that SE has better cpu/gpu (running on lower res screen), camera and costs more ( brand new), g5 has mid range specs. how can it give you same experience lol.
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Good analysis. And later I did try androids CarPlay and didn't like that either
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I have to deal with them daily, as my wife will only carry an iPhone.. iPhone does excel in some things over Android, but part of that is because it is so locked down, but is sub par to some things that Android is great at. CarPlay is designed to make the in-car experience better, and does a great job at it. android auto does some things the same, but it is not great by any means. iOS may be better at this particular thing, but is worse at every day things compared to android, IMO.

I went ahead and bought the G5 Plus because I read that it "has the same [camera] sensor chip as the S7"
I've read several different users reporting being disappointed with the phone's camera - we'll have to wait for some third party camera/custom ROM with good camera to extract the full potential from this camera sensor?
Does it just have a crappy lens?!?
Will give it some time before I pass judgement on the camera quality - but yes, I do expect to get better pictures from this phone than from an older model iPhone.
On the plus side, I have noticed that the phone does not heat up like all my previous Android phones did when running games like Clash of Clans - I assume this is due to how efficient the 625 CPU is. Everything I've tried running on the phone so far runs fast and the phone stays cool.
I had assumed, since this is an "unlockable" Motorola phone with a presumably fairly "vanilla" version of Android that tethering would not be a problem, however, if it proves to be difficult to get tethering to work I will have to return the phone - that's a basic "must have" feature for me, and really, should be easy and convenient for EVERY smart phone owner. The FCC does not want cell phone companies to limit/control/restrict customer's use of the data based on what they are using the data for - when providers bought new "bands" they signed contracts stipulating that they agreed to this FCC policy.

critofur said:
I went ahead and bought the G5 Plus because I read that it "has the same [camera] sensor chip as the S7"
I've read several different users reporting being disappointed with the phone's camera - we'll have to wait for some third party camera/custom ROM with good camera to extract the full potential from this camera sensor?
Does it just have a crappy lens?!?
Will give it some time before I pass judgement on the camera quality - but yes, I do expect to get better pictures from this phone than from an older model iPhone.
On the plus side, I have noticed that the phone does not heat up like all my previous Android phones did when running games like Clash of Clans - I assume this is due to how efficient the 625 CPU is. Everything I've tried running on the phone so far runs fast and the phone stays cool.
I had assumed, since this is an "unlockable" Motorola phone with a presumably fairly "vanilla" version of Android that tethering would not be a problem, however, if it proves to be difficult to get tethering to work I will have to return the phone - that's a basic "must have" feature for me, and really, should be easy and convenient for EVERY smart phone owner. The FCC does not want cell phone companies to limit/control/restrict customer's use of the data based on what they are using the data for - when providers bought new "bands" they signed contracts stipulating that they agreed to this FCC policy.
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I posted on another thread some of the pictures I had taken with the G5 – I don't see how it could be better, unless you go into the custom settings.
I'll take pictures daily, most of the time just to pull my camera out and shoot, and a lot of times zoom as well. This didn't do well in my opinion, and I've owned a S7, which I thought did very well, especially in low light.
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cfclay said:
I posted on another thread some of the pictures I had taken with the G5 – I don't see how it could be better...
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Do you mean that they are already excellent, so that you don't seem room for improvement?
If it uses the same sensor as the S7, then why wouldn't it be able to get the same quality of photos once any software shortcomings are addressed by camera software improvements? Maybe we need a custom ROM with a kick-ass camera bundled with it? Perhaps one of the existing 3rd party camera apps from the Play Store will give us good photos?

critofur said:
Do you mean that they are already excellent, so that you don't seem room for improvement?
If it uses the same sensor as the S7, then why wouldn't it be able to get the same quality of photos once any software shortcomings are addressed by camera software improvements? Maybe we need a custom ROM with a kick-ass camera bundled with it? Perhaps one of the existing 3rd party camera apps from the Play Store will give us good photos?
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Good point, no I meant the pictures weren't great- zooming and low light in particular
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Update- some on the forums suggested I needed to have tried the 4gb version of the Moto G5 Plus. I almost was going to try again- but I found a sweet deal on used Huawei Honor 8- and that thing is scalding fast compared to the Moto G5 Plus I had

Phone is just a phone nothing more. Life beyond a stupid device. G5 Plus is leaps and bounds beyond the tech I grew up with. Generation of instant gratification.

shawnchalfant said:
Phone is just a phone nothing more. Life beyond a stupid device. G5 Plus is leaps and bounds beyond the tech I grew up with. Generation of instant gratification.
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Thanks for your gate keeping wisdom grandpa!

alevity said:
Thanks for your gate keeping wisdom grandpa!
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Anytime!

You Know What..
alevity said:
Thanks for your gate keeping wisdom grandpa!
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That There Was Funny.

An iPhone SE is definitely better than a Moto G5 Plus in terms of performance, considering it has a flagship chip inside. However, the Moto should do you well in terms of light tasks. Keep it as a backup Android phone if you need to.

S10 Plus issues (Moved from iPhone 8 Plus)

Hello Everyone,
Hope I get some help from here, so long story short but not too short:
I moved to S10 Plus after 9 years of Apple phones and now struggling to cop up with few issues on this Samsung device:
- Accidental touches in the pocket - Had to turn off AOD, double tap to wake up and lift to wake (one of the reasons I made a switch lol)
- Batter drain - 1 hour of SOT and phone is down to 80%, killing me as it drains so quickly in standby, every 10 minutes it would drop 1%, on Optimised battery, 50% brightness with Full HD resolutions - tried all other tweaks you mentioned. Only thing I am feeling is that I used SmartSwitch to bring my messages, call history etc from iPhone - if Samsung techies here think that might be the issue then please help me on how to backup my messages etc to do a clean restore (sorry I am new to Android and only know iTunes until now)?
- NO glass protectors - It is a shame that after you spend and buy such an expensive phone, one is unable to protect it with a Glass protector: I read Dome glass protector works but some people mentioned it does not work with fingerprint scanner - also its very costly too , please share your thoughts on how you guys are protecting the screen?
- Face unlock - I was using it and its too fast as well but stopped after I read its not secure at all!!!! why have they removed IRIS scanner!
Guys - I am really looking for expert help here as I love this phone and do not want to go back to iPhone as with the issues I am having its highly pointing towards returning this one and buying Apple again......
Thanks in advance!

What firmware do you have?
Face Unlock: disable faster recognition and do won't have issues about it security, the people in YouTube that did the test, made it with this option enabled that is less safe.
I have double tap enabled, for now the screen is no accidentally turned on
Battery is solved in ASCA firmware

erviren said:
Hello Everyone,
Hope I get some help from here, so long story short but not too short:
I moved to S10 Plus after 9 years of Apple phones and now struggling to cop up with few issues on this Samsung device:
- Accidental touches in the pocket - Had to turn off AOD, double tap to wake up and lift to wake (one of the reasons I made a switch lol)
- Batter drain - 1 hour of SOT and phone is down to 80%, killing me as it drains so quickly in standby, every 10 minutes it would drop 1%, on Optimised battery, 50% brightness with Full HD resolutions - tried all other tweaks you mentioned. Only thing I am feeling is that I used SmartSwitch to bring my messages, call history etc from iPhone - if Samsung techies here think that might be the issue then please help me on how to backup my messages etc to do a clean restore (sorry I am new to Android and only know iTunes until now)?
- NO glass protectors - It is a shame that after you spend and buy such an expensive phone, one is unable to protect it with a Glass protector: I read Dome glass protector works but some people mentioned it does not work with fingerprint scanner - also its very costly too , please share your thoughts on how you guys are protecting the screen?
- Face unlock - I was using it and its too fast as well but stopped after I read its not secure at all!!!! why have they removed IRIS scanner!
Guys - I am really looking for expert help here as I love this phone and do not want to go back to iPhone as with the issues I am having its highly pointing towards returning this one and buying Apple again......
Thanks in advance!
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Accidental touches in the pocket
I think it got fixed in the last update, if you're on Snapdragon, Snapdragon unlocked or Carrier Exynos you'll get it a bit later
- Batter drain
Did you follow every single step of the guide? You must be doing something wrong, one of your apps is clearly not giving a f about letting your phone rest, you need to find what is causing the problem, that's how it works on Android phones with more generous RAM management.
- NO glass protectors
They don't really protect anything, if the strike is well delivered both the protector and your display will crack anyway, plus they don't adhere to curved edges and they become a sticky mess.
The Dome costs way too much for what it does, it gives 50% chances of making your fp scanner useless and the protection it offers is limited to scratches, you can find clear TPU protectors for £2 that still protect the display from scratches and allow the fingerprint sensor to work.
- Face unlock
This is a gimmick tech pushed by Apple for easily impressed people that have no notion of security, even with a ToF sensor this is not a valid authentication protocol in any way, rare similar faces, siblings of even different gender and carefully crafted masks with open eyes will unlock it, it also requires more modules and processing power every single time you use it compared to fingerprint sensors.
Some Android OEMs jumped on the face reco tech train to use the trend, Samsung chose to remove the iris sensor to completely abandon it, sure face recognition is still there as in stock Android but it's not meant to be used on this device, there won't be face recognition tech in the future and you should stop using it now.
It's normal to be tempted to return to Apple after such a short period, but you need to be ready to leave the forced comfort zone you were used to.
The "I'm afraid to walk through cold water" phenomenon is why Apple is not losing customers quickly enough, they are not a fair playing company and every other competitor has something better to offer.
I left Apple devices during the iPhone 4s era once I realized that Jailbreaking and Cydia were dying, they all moved to Android, if you are not a completely tech ignorant person then you deserve better than some iOS toy that won't even let you manage files or customize a system properly.

citytrader said:
What firmware do you have?
Android 9, G975FXXU1ASBA with Feb 2019 Security patch.
Face Unlock: disable faster recognition and do won't have issues about it security, the people in YouTube that did the test, made it with this option enabled that is less safe.
Ok thanks
I have double tap enabled, for now the screen is no accidentally turned on
I had to turn it off as accidental touches are there sadly..
Battery is solved in ASCA firmware
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Is there a way I can check ETA for March 2019 update for Australian unlocked version of S10 Plus?
Thanks!

Corv0 said:
Accidental touches in the pocket
I think it got fixed in the last update, if you're on Snapdragon, Snapdragon unlocked or Carrier Exynos you'll get it a bit later
I am on Australian unlocked device, how to check if I have SD or Exynos?
- Batter drain
Did you follow every single step of the guide? You must be doing something wrong, one of your apps is clearly not giving a f about letting your phone rest, you need to find what is causing the problem, that's how it works on Android phones with more generous RAM management.
Yes I tried most of steps from guide, I would dig more into it..
- NO glass protectors
They don't really protect anything, if the strike is well delivered both the protector and your display will crack anyway, plus they don't adhere to curved edges and they become a sticky mess.
The Dome costs way too much for what it does, it gives 50% chances of making your fp scanner useless and the protection it offers is limited to scratches, you can find clear TPU protectors for £2 that still protect the display from scratches and allow the fingerprint sensor to work.
Agree they are sticky mess - Samsung might realise and may release flat screen phone next time its still kind of satisfaction even of little chance to saving your expensive screen from falls, my iPad saved from a fall because of glass protector!
- Face unlock
This is a gimmick tech pushed by Apple for easily impressed people that have no notion of security, even with a ToF sensor this is not a valid authentication protocol in any way, rare similar faces, siblings of even different gender and carefully crafted masks with open eyes will unlock it, it also requires more modules and processing power every single time you use it compared to fingerprint sensors.
Some Android OEMs jumped on the face reco tech train to use the trend, Samsung chose to remove the iris sensor to completely abandon it, sure face recognition is still there as in stock Android but it's not meant to be used on this device, there won't be face recognition tech in the future and you should stop using it now.
I am using Face unlock for now as its faster than on screen FP scanner.
It's normal to be tempted to return to Apple after such a short period, but you need to be ready to leave the forced comfort zone you were used to.
The "I'm afraid to walk through cold water" phenomenon is why Apple is not losing customers quickly enough, they are not a fair playing company and every other competitor has something better to offer.
I don't think I am going back to Apple as I love this display and phone so much and ready to learn the OS and dig into it with the help of you guys Using S10 Plus with S3 Frontier - what else one needs - just love it
I left Apple devices during the iPhone 4s era once I realized that Jailbreaking and Cydia were dying, they all moved to Android, if you are not a completely tech ignorant person then you deserve better than some iOS toy that won't even let you manage files or customize a system properly.
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Android Rocks!

erviren said:
Is there a way I can check ETA for March 2019 update for Australian unlocked version of S10 Plus?
Thanks!
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You can find the update here
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...share_tid=3908710&share_fid=3793&share_type=t
I'm on New Zealand unlocked exynos and flashed that. Just check your csc is in the oxm multi csc list in that thread.
Use Odin with all 4 files using csc home file so you dont lose all your data.
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use the minimum display resolution is definitely your battery problems, i've compared the max and minimum resolution and not only is it such a small (i think, not entirely sure i can see anything i'm not wanting to see hard enough) improvement, if any worthwhile one that you'll never notice the difference anyway.
i can do two full days of moderate use easily with the minimum resolution, with the maximum the percents tick off nearly as fast as the minutes did.
edit: it was around two minutes for every 1% of battery from my experience on maximum.

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use the minimum display resolution is definitely your battery problems, i've compared the max and minimum resolution and not only is it such a small (i think, not entirely sure i can see anything i'm not wanting to see hard enough) improvement, if any worthwhile one that you'll never notice the difference anyway.
i can do two full days of moderate use easily with the minimum resolution, with the maximum the percents tick off nearly as fast as the minutes did.
edit: it was around two minutes for every 1% of battery from my experience on maximum.
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I can clearly see the difference between minimum and FHD resolution and WHD, what's the point in buying so expensive phone if you only using it with 720p resolution in 2019 just to save battery?!! Honestly, I would rather prefer higher resolution than battery....

MRDOCA said:
You can find the update here
https://r.tapatalk.com/shareLink?ur...share_tid=3908710&share_fid=3793&share_type=t
I'm on New Zealand unlocked exynos and flashed that. Just check your csc is in the oxm multi csc list in that thread.
Use Odin with all 4 files using csc home file so you dont lose all your data.
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Thanks but I would wait for another week for official release for Australian variants before trying to flash.

And the March update is here, wohooooo
Hopefully accidental touches would be fixed, let's see

Corv0 said:
- Face unlock
This is a gimmick tech pushed by Apple for easily impressed people that have no notion of security, even with a ToF sensor this is not a valid authentication protocol in any way, rare similar faces, siblings of even different gender and carefully crafted masks with open eyes will unlock it, it also requires more modules and processing power every single time you use it compared to fingerprint sensors.
Some Android OEMs jumped on the face reco tech train to use the trend, Samsung chose to remove the iris sensor to completely abandon it, sure face recognition is still there as in stock Android but it's not meant to be used on this device, there won't be face recognition tech in the future and you should stop using it now.
It's normal to be tempted to return to Apple after such a short period, but you need to be ready to leave the forced comfort zone you were used to.
The "I'm afraid to walk through cold water" phenomenon is why Apple is not losing customers quickly enough, they are not a fair playing company and every other competitor has something better to offer.
I left Apple devices during the iPhone 4s era once I realized that Jailbreaking and Cydia were dying, they all moved to Android, if you are not a completely tech ignorant person then you deserve better than some iOS toy that won't even let you manage files or customize a system properly.
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Had to log in to this ancient account just to call you out on some Android fanboyism.
I have been using tech all my life. On phones I've used Windows Mobile 6, Symbian, Android, Linux, Windows Phone, Windows 10 Mobile and iOS. There is nothing obviously better or worse in Android. For most people, a smartphone nowadays needs to do a few things... social media, pictures, media consumption and calling. There is about zero difference in handling these things between iOS or Android. I am using an iPhone XS Max and the S10+ right now. Practical differences? Well, one has a biometric security lock that works basically 100% of the time, the other some gimmicky under screen ultrasonic fingerprint scanner that is having a ton of issues .
Really, bringing up carefully crafted masks as a security risk :silly:. If you are a regular person, FaceID is going to be secure enough, probably even more secure than fingerprints (easier to get your prints off of something than to do an accurate 3D recreation of your face to create a mask). Don't forget that fingerprint scanners have been fooled plenty as well. If you want security, go use an old fashioned PIN all the time.
I'm sorry man, I understand you like Android and I'm not saying you shouldn't. Just drop it down a notch on the anti Apple stuff. One of the reasons Apple is still very popular is simply because it does what people need it do. It doesn't have all that much to do with people being scared of Android or a change, they just don't feel a need to change.I am probably going to sell the S10+ again. Not because it is a bad phone or Android is so scary to me, but because the iPhone suits my needs already and the S10+ doesn't really do anything much better.

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Had to log in to this ancient account just to call you out on some Android fanboyism.
I have been using tech all my life. On phones I've used Windows Mobile 6, Symbian, Android, Linux, Windows Phone, Windows 10 Mobile and iOS. There is nothing obviously better or worse in Android. For most people, a smartphone nowadays needs to do a few things... social media, pictures, media consumption and calling. There is about zero difference in handling these things between iOS or Android. I am using an iPhone XS Max and the S10+ right now. Practical differences? Well, one has a biometric security lock that works basically 100% of the time, the other some gimmicky under screen ultrasonic fingerprint scanner that is having a ton of issues .
Really, bringing up carefully crafted masks as a security risk :silly:. If you are a regular person, FaceID is going to be secure enough, probably even more secure than fingerprints (easier to get your prints off of something than to do an accurate 3D recreation of your face to create a mask). Don't forget that fingerprint scanners have been fooled plenty as well. If you want security, go use an old fashioned PIN all the time.
I'm sorry man, I understand you like Android and I'm not saying you shouldn't. Just drop it down a notch on the anti Apple stuff. One of the reasons Apple is still very popular is simply because it does what people need it do. It doesn't have all that much to do with people being scared of Android or a change, they just don't feel a need to change.I am probably going to sell the S10+ again. Not because it is a bad phone or Android is so scary to me, but because the iPhone suits my needs already and the S10+ doesn't really do anything much better.
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Shouldn't have logged in your account at all, because there's no fanboyism and you should give another read or two to what I said.
As a fact, I'm only using Android because there is nothing better, I don't like it, even less love it, all these years and it is still a very fragmented and unstable system, I'm using it purely for adaptation, iOS died for me and for anyone else with a brain.
iPhones aren't the only devices with strict face recognition and I have criticized the technology of all of them, not just the one implemented by Apple, so you can tell Tim **** that he sent you here for nothing.
Twins and relatives can still easily fool faceID and youtube is full of reports about that, your face is also EVERYWHERE, and it will never change unless something bad happens to you.
Fingerprints are different, you have many, you can use your toe too if you want, your twins or clones will never have the same replicas and you can alter them yourself at any time.
Ultrasonic fingerprint sensors aren't used only for security and they can be used for health tracking too, even if no implementations have been published regarding that side yet.
It's all about a very versatile emerging technology vs a pure future-less gimmick for people that can't aim with a finger, really nothing else to discuss about it.

I can also see the difference in screen res, spending most of the day working on my phone. Battery is fine with WQHD and screen using adaptive brightness , battery lasts all day for me.
No need to turn resolution down at all none whatsoever
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I wish I could see a difference between the resolutions. Apparently I'm getting old ?

Android as OS doesn’t even adopted on screen fingerprint leave a lone 3D Face ID. Huawei add already 3D Face ID same as iPhone X with mate 20 Pro and it does works way better than unreliable on screen fingerprint that can be hacked with easy even lol. Don’t blame Apple for android failure since android can’t adopt one screen finger print, no true 3D Face ID and no [email protected] adopted on android last and not least there’s no even proper screen colors management unless of android OEM’s add, so fix your staff first then blame Apple lol.

Still cant believe they didn't put a front facing 3d depth camera on this device.
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Yes, yes, it's possible to love a phone. Heck, you sleep next to it, don't you? Rate this thread to indicate your love for the Motorola Razr (2019), all things considered. A higher rating indicates that the Motorola Razr (2019) is an incredible phone that you enjoy tremendously. You love it.
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Just watched the video, looks amazing. But somehow it didn't seem like the specs were superior. I love the concept, and I think it's an innovative design that should pick up interest due to the compact nature of the device, but I have concerns about the build quality and performance. In the video, after it is flipped open, you can see briefly a bend in the screen, which makes me wonder if it smoothes out when all the way open. Also, the camera seemed sluggish when using the shake gesture, unless it was designed to have (what I thought was) a noticable delay. The processor speed, the battery size/performance, are things I'm hoping will prove to be above average, to amazing. We shall see.
Oh, also not stoked about it being carrier locked. Not to mention the $1499 price tag.... Yikes!

This its true.
The price is unreasonably high.

I know that some months passed, and meanwhile other flipphones made their path aiming at our pockets & wallets, but I am still enloved of this phone...
I know it's a bad thing, it's overpriced, the specification does not justify this purchase, but I am still waiting for a good chance to put in in my rear pocket.

So far I love mine. Coming from a Note 10+ the only issues I've notice screen color isn't as rich as the Note 10+. But it's not bad either.
Performance is fine. Apps take maybe a half second longer to load, if that. No real sluggishness that I've been able to notice.
Another thing is lack of wireless charging is kinda a bummer, but I just bought a quick charge compatible dock I slide it onto at night.
Battery life is actually good. I typically still have about 30-40% left at the end of a full day.
Granted most of my battery usage is playing free cell on the toilet at work.
Edit: One thing I do think Moto dropped the ball on is when I had a Z2 Force I could use gestures with the fingerprint sensor to operate the back, home and task manager. Once you enabled this it also removed them from the screen unless you were using the fingerprint sensor for security.

Minnion2008;82962205One thing I do think Moto dropped the ball on is when I had a Z2 Force I could use gestures with the fingerprint sensor to operate the back said:
Using the one button navigation on the fingerprint scanner isn't allowed for devices which use google mobile services and Android 9. A lot of lost features are because of the requirements that Google puts on device makers and which versions of Android they are ship with. Everyone clamoring for the latest Android doesn't realize that certain options are OS dependent. Image how much less you'd have to physically interact with the screen if you could use the fingerprint navigation. I am sure older prototypes had that enabled but it got disabled as Android versions changed
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kingstu said:
Using the one button navigation on the fingerprint scanner isn't allowed for devices which use google mobile services and Android 9.
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My Z2 Force had android 9 on it...

Minnion2008 said:
My Z2 Force had android 9 on it...
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If you want to go through https://source.android.com/compatibility and see the requirements for devices that launch with a certain OS and devices that update to a certain OS you'll see what I mean. The Z2 Force launched with Nougat and was upgraded to Pie. The rules for how a device is expected to behave when launching with an OS level and when upgrading to an OS level are different. Google didn't mandate things about it's gesture navigation back in Nougat so Motorola was able to implement it as they wished. Required apps at one OS release are different at another. This is one reason why I'm not keen on being first to have the latest android level since things you might enjoy (like Moto Voice) are gone in later releases.