Is it possible and if so how do i do it? Im using 1 gig build and i just figured i should use it and not let it go to waste.
Well android hasnt gotten to the point of getting it installed to internal memory so no, you cant put music on internal memory, since android runs off the SD card you can put your music there and plenty of it depending on what size the SD card is.
I created a 32MB linux-swap partition last week on my incredible. I'm running CM6, latest nightly, and a swappiness of 30 (relatively low). Due to the good amount of internal memory I was hoping that this would just come in to play under high loads.
Overall I didn't notice a speed difference, probably due to the low swappiness.
I did have one major issue though. I keep a lot of FLAC music files on the sd card, and when playing these if the swap file would come into play (as probably happened when streaming bluetooth music) I would get massive skips. Thus, the great swap experiment has ended as I use this feature daily. I have a Transcend 8GB class 6 card, and sd card speed test app confirms class 6 speeds.
If anyone wants to play around, just reformat your SD Card with partition 1 being a large FAT32, partition 2 being either an ext3 (for SD-EXT) or linux-swap, and partition 3 being linux-swap, 32MB should be enough. Use swapper2 (free, from the market) to enable swap (or busybox, if you're so inclined).
Be careful, the default partition for the swap partition in swapper 2 is not your sdcard, and you will end up having to repartition your internal memory and RUU if you don't change those settings.
(another advantage of reformatting the sd-card with the SD-EXT partition, even if you don't use it, is you won't see the annoying errors in ROM Manager anymore).
Great info!
I apologize in advance because this topic has probably been beaten to death. I am still a bit confused on how internal and external memory are handled in Honeycomb. A lot of the info I've read applies to non-Honeycomb releases. I'll just start with some basic questions.
1. Is external memory treated differently than internal memory?
2. Can you install apps in either location and expect them to perform/behave the same?
3. Can you place data (docs, music, videos) in either location and expect them to perform/behave the same?
This is all leading to my real concern:
4. If I get a Transformer with 16GB internal and purchase a 32GB micro SD card, will all of that memory be usable without caveats? In other words, can I just install apps or load data in either location without having to worry about things having to be in one place or the other?
Again, I apologize if this a repeat. There just doesn't seem to be a lot of data regarding Honeycomb and external memory. That or it is difficult to find because of the overly common key words used when searching on this topic.
EDIT: If there are any links already explaining this, I will gladly read them and just let this thread die.
Thanks
One important thing to note is that the internal memory is always going to be faster than external. My suggestion is keep apps on internal memory and use the external memory for your pictures, videos, and music.
You can actually get away with smaller apps on a microsd card. Just remember to get a class 6 or higher.
My plan is to have 16 gig internal
32 micro SD in the tablet
32 gig SD in the keyboard dock
LEEDROID DESIRE HD using XDA PREMIUM
This has been a problem since the beginning of android tablets.
Most phones come with an external sdcard when you buy them. So, the internal memory gets mounted at /emmc, and external at /sdcard.
Since tablets do not come with one(and internal is rather large), internal is mounted at /sdcard. Then external would be mounted at /sdcard2, then /sdcard3 i assume for the transformer dock.
The key thing is whether or not the mediaprovider service for android is modified by asus to scan those extra locations. If not, then only media on /sdcard will be recognized.
It looks like the custom xoom kernel work gets around this by mounting /sdcard2 within /sdcard. (/sdcard/sdcard2) This allows the media to be seen on both, but can cause issues with mounting, etc.
I'm not sure how Asus is handling this, but it has been an issue all along.
Actually, I don't think it's a dumb question. I'm still wondering the same thing. What are the implications of installing stuff on the microSD?
I upgraded my 16GB MXPlay to 6.0 and so far everything has been going great, except I'm having issues with Adaptive storage SD. I chose to format as internal, as when given the option it said this will let me store anything on the device including apps on the SD card, but after formatting and installing some apps I've realized the app installation and storage behavior doesn't seem to have changed since 5.1.1.
For example, if I go install some apps from the play store, they still chew up my internal 16GB unless I manually go to settings and move them to SD storage. In addition, this only works on apps that have built-in support for external storage, and it seems like it only moves the .apk, not any associated .obb files. If I keep installing apps and games, it will eventually (quite quickly actually), fill up the 12 GB internal partion and tell me to uninstall some apps, even though I've got barely 5GB of stuff stored on my Micro SD Card.
Literally all that seems to have changed is that /home has moved to external storage, and everything else stays the same. Am I missing something, or is the merged storage option for Marshmellow Moto X Play not all that merged?
nourez said:
I upgraded my 16GB MXPlay to 6.0 and so far everything has been going great, except I'm having issues with Adaptive storage SD. I chose to format as internal, as when given the option it said this will let me store anything on the device including apps on the SD card, but after formatting and installing some apps I've realized the app installation and storage behavior doesn't seem to have changed since 5.1.1.
For example, if I go install some apps from the play store, they still chew up my internal 16GB unless I manually go to settings and move them to SD storage. In addition, this only works on apps that have built-in support for external storage, and it seems like it only moves the .apk, not any associated .obb files. If I keep installing apps and games, it will eventually (quite quickly actually), fill up the 12 GB internal partion and tell me to uninstall some apps, even though I've got barely 5GB of stuff stored on my Micro SD Card.
Literally all that seems to have changed is that /home has moved to external storage, and everything else stays the same. Am I missing something, or is the merged storage option for Marshmellow Moto X Play not all that merged?
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It's an Android 6.0 problem. Don't flash your card as internal. Installed apps would always install on internal storage. Just try to move every other thing like songs and images to external timely. Also use a cache cleaner to remove cache.
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So it basically doesn't work? Got to say that with a 16gig X Play it was the main reason for an upgrade to 6 (MM). Is this just on the Play or common to all devices running 6?
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So it basically doesn't work? Got to say that with a 16gig X Play it was the main reason for an upgrade to 6 (MM). Is this just on the Play or common to all devices running 6?
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If at all possible, don't do it. I bought a class 10 UHS 3 microsd card (95MB/s read 45MB/s write). In the Moto it maxes at 55MB/s read and less than 8MB/s write. Compare to the internal @ 110MB/s read and 66MB/s write. The sdcard controller in the phone isn't capable of high speed read/write. You are seriously gimping your performance using a sdcard as internal memory.
I did try it once though, and it saw my internal memory and sdcard as one unit. I strongly recommend not going this route if you can avoid it.
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If at all possible, don't do it. I bought a class 10 UHS 3 microsd card (95MB/s read 45MB/s write). In the Moto it maxes at 55MB/s read and less than 8MB/s write. Compare to the internal @ 110MB/s read and 66MB/s write. The sdcard controller in the phone isn't capable of high speed read/write. You are seriously gimping your performance using a sdcard as internal memory.
I did try it once though, and it saw my internal memory and sdcard as one unit. I strongly recommend not going this route if you can avoid it.
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Thanks for info. I have a dual sim French Moto X Play. I'm in the UK but it's possible to buy them off Expansis. I downloaded the Indian Marshmallow 6 OTA off the thread here. Put it on the sd card and the phone picked up the update. Updated last night and all seems to be fine. I decided to give the adaptive storage option a try (before reading your reply) and so far it seems to work ok. My Play is a little tight for onboard storage due to Pioneers Avicsync app which with the maps of Europe gobbles a fair chunk up. Avicsync is a companion app for a Pioneer Avic F-77DAB head unit in my truck. Anyway Android 6 seems to be working very well and no issues. I guess I can reverse the adaptive storage if I need to but for now I'll see how it goes and report back here if there are any issues.
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If at all possible, don't do it. I bought a class 10 UHS 3 microsd card (95MB/s read 45MB/s write). In the Moto it maxes at 55MB/s read and less than 8MB/s write. Compare to the internal @ 110MB/s read and 66MB/s write. The sdcard controller in the phone isn't capable of high speed read/write. You are seriously gimping your performance using a sdcard as internal memory.
I did try it once though, and it saw my internal memory and sdcard as one unit. I strongly recommend not going this route if you can avoid it.
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You are wrong mate, the MXP is capable of fast writes on the SD card, it just needs to be the right SD card.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161157&postcount=19
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You are wrong mate, the MXP is capable of fast writes on the SD card, it just needs to be the right SD card.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=64161157&postcount=19
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That's strangely low internal read speed. But I do like your sd write speed.
I have had internal read and write speeds all over the place mate, i had an internal write speed of 11MB the other day, never had an internal write over 70MB though.
What is the app for used above for benchmarking sd card?
I had a a SanDisk Ultra 32 GB and my Play was constantly "unexpectedly discounted sd card". A reboot or pull sim tray out and back in again solved it for a while. Then bought a SanDisk Extreme Pro U3 64gb and never had the issue again.
Only problem I've had with adaptive storage was SwiftKey unable to do predictive text - check sd card. I uninstaled and installed again and now working fine.
I say only issue, what I really mean is up until now the only issue. Early days so I'll see how it goes.
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What is the app for used above for benchmarking sd card?
I had a a SanDisk Ultra 32 GB and my Play was constantly "unexpectedly discounted sd card". A reboot or pull sim tray out and back in again solved it for a while. Then bought a SanDisk Extreme Pro U3 64gb and never had the issue again.
Only problem I've had with adaptive storage was SwiftKey unable to do predictive text - check sd card. I uninstaled and installed again and now working fine.
I say only issue, what I really mean is up until now the only issue. Early days so I'll see how it goes.
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a1dev.sdbench&hl=en
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https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=com.a1dev.sdbench&hl=en
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Thanks for that
THe prob with Swiftkey reappeared - predictive text stopped working. Don't know if it's a MM or adaptive storage problem but suspect the latter. I'm now using Fleksy instead as i've used it in the past. It seems to work fine.
K.khiladi said:
It's an Android 6.0 problem. Don't flash your card as internal. Installed apps would always install on internal storage. Just try to move every other thing like songs and images to external timely. Also use a cache cleaner to remove cache.
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Do you have any sources that say it's an Android 6.0 problem? I have the exact same problem as the OP and it doesn't make sense that this problem occurs. I made a post on android.stackexchange.com about this issue, and even Motorola's official documentation say it should work.
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Do you have any sources that say it's an Android 6.0 problem? I have the exact same problem as the OP and it doesn't make sense that this problem occurs. I made a post on android.stackexchange.com about this issue, and even Motorola's official documentation say it should work.
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I just am not sure about this but since the adaptive storage came with Android 6 and since then it has started occurring. It's not necessarily a problem. The device decides where to install an app and keep its data in Android 6 at least for moto x play.
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It seems the SwiftKey Team works very slow. Ive wrote them (i'm a beta Tester) first in middle December bout the Problem. It helps to change to switch the Keyboard (icon lower right) to default keyboard and back to SWK. Sometimes it works over Weeks without a problem. It's only happens after a device reboot and SD is set to intern/adaptive.
The bad thing is Google Music. It saves the Music on the real Space. Cant understand why Google fix it yet.
Some folks are very angry bout Android 6 portable SD permissions. You cant move apps to SD when the Card is set to portable. It's bad while using a Car Navigation like sygic. Atm you cant put the (big) Mapfiles to the SD. But i know the devs are working on a fix. Sygic said it will work the next beta.
At the Moment i use the adaptive intern Storage... But i hope Google will put some hands on this. It feels it isnt not 100% ready.
There is something wrong with the SD Speed Format-test too. Sometimes it shows "the card is to slow"! When trying to Format the same U3 again and again it works like magic.
Btw: There are many Users (with fast SD cards) in the offic Motorola Forum with this Problem.
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On Android 6.0 stock for MXP Spotify saves to Sd when you the Sd card as removable storage. Only thing to to is to give spotify permissions to use the storage - checked and it works.It is very similar to 5.1.1 .Not on Bliss ROM - no matter what i do. Maybe it's something to do with 6.0.1 permissions or rom itself .
Yeah Google music saves too on SD as portable (when set in the Options). But it saves it only on real intern when SD is set to intern. That's a joke! Who wants the Music on a 1-2 gb free intern (like the 8gb moto g3) instead of a 16-128GB intern SD card ?
It feels half finished... There are so many (Google) Apps out there they are not Android 6 adaptive SD ready.
But is indeed nothing new... SD card permissions...
With Android 6.3 its ready. And we see something new with Android 7. (i hope not) grr
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If you do a clean install of MM and before you do anything else you set the SD card as internal then any app that can be moved to the SD card will install on it by default. Any app that cant be installed to SD will install on the internal memory as usual.
If you dont do a clean install then you can uninstall apps one by one and as you reinstall them they will install to the SD card, if you just move them to the SD card then when the app updates it will install its self back to the internal memory.
Seems the Swiftkey Devs cant find a solution... https://vip.swiftkey.com/index.php?...d-m-when-moving-sk-to-sd-bug-reported/&page=4
Well I use swiftkey so it'll be a bummer if that doesn't work for me. Hmm.
I've just bought myself a nice shiney new 32gb u3 card to pop in and use as adaptive (bored of running out of space now) (16gb version).
One thing I need to check though, hopefully someone who has used as adaptive will know.
I have an app (bbc good foods) which has data of cookbooks. I got them when they were free but now they charge. The only way I found to back them up was to go into phone memory when hooked to a pc and copy them.
When I've bought new phones I've then copied them back to the right folder.
I know adaptive wont let you see the sd contents from a pc, so would someone be able to confirm whether they can explore their SD / memory with something like ES file explorer when they've done adaptive storage? If so can you, say, download a file from google drive and then move it to a specific location.
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doncoop said:
Well I use swiftkey so it'll be a bummer if that doesn't work for me. Hmm.
I've just bought myself a nice shiney new 32gb u3 card to pop in and use as adaptive (bored of running out of space now) (16gb version).
One thing I need to check though, hopefully someone who has used as adaptive will know.
I have an app (bbc good foods) which has data of cookbooks. I got them when they were free but now they charge. The only way I found to back them up was to go into phone memory when hooked to a pc and copy them.
When I've bought new phones I've then copied them back to the right folder.
I know adaptive wont let you see the sd contents from a pc, so would someone be able to confirm whether they can explore their SD / memory with something like ES file explorer when they've done adaptive storage? If so can you, say, download a file from google drive and then move it to a specific location.
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Adaptive WILL let you see the contents of the *SD* from a PC via USB, just connect and swipe down USB for MTP...well, at least my XT1562 (Sandisk extreme pro) does.
When I bought this phone the operating system allowed the Base 4Gb RAM to be augmented with the inserted 16GB SD Card. This meant that the phone could use more than the 4Gb for the System. For some reason - I suspect one of the previous firmware updates - this doesn't appear to work any more. It's become evident because the phone only has a couple of Apps loaded and keeps complaining about being low on memory. 4.4Gb of 4.6Gb used. All the photos and videos are on the SD Card, the few that are on there anyway. Most have been deleted in the desperate search for where the memory has been used. Can anyone tell me if my suspicion about the firmward upgrade removing the SD Card RAM is correct please?
As far as I know ... you can use a external sd card of 128 GB if you want to. The internal sd-card is small (considering what is left) so don't use too much space by apps, images, backup etc.... and place all what is possible on the external sd-card.
Your RAM is 1.5 GB Your system almost 3.6 GB ....so I think that in your case the total is 24 GB and only 3 GB left on the internal card .... this is normal.
Don't confuse memory with Ram.
https://www.lehigh.edu/~inimr/computer-basics-tutorial/ramvsdiskspacehtm.
xabu said:
As far as I know ... you can use a external sd card of 128 GB if you want to. The internal sd-card is small (considering what is left) so don't use too much space by apps, images, backup etc.... and place all what is possible on the external sd-card.
Your RAM is 1.5 GB Your system almost 3.6 GB ....so I think that in your case the total is 24 GB and only 3 GB left on the internal card .... this is normal.
Don't confuse memory with Ram.
https://www.lehigh.edu/~inimr/computer-basics-tutorial/ramvsdiskspacehtm.
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That's funny, RAM stands for Random Access Memory. It is Memory. (I built my first computer in 1977). Thanks for your response but what I was asking about is the manufacturers firmware versions and which one stopped making the SD Card memory available to use as System RAM.