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I know that the Note 3 got the Snapdragon 800 8974AA(GPU clocked at 450 MHz).
So i ran the latest GFXBench 3.0(Manhattan offscreen) and got a score of 11.1, which is even better than the scores the Snapdragon 800 8974AB(GPU clocked at 550/578MHz) got.
How can this be?
mull54 said:
I know that the Note 3 got the Snapdragon 800 8974AA(GPU clocked at 450 MHz).
So i ran the latest GFXBench 3.0(Manhattan offscreen) and got a score of 11.1, which is even better than the scores the Snapdragon 800 8974AB(GPU clocked at 550/578MHz) got.
How can this be?
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maybe its caused by throttling down due temperature
Maybe memory of Note 3 is faster and larger than other phone, which shouldn't be Samsung because S5 uses AC version. I think Note3 has very fast RAM and if other phone has slower (read cheaper) RAM it could bottleneck there. Also, as the other poster said the other phone could be thermally throttling, especially if the benchmarks were run multiple times to get average. You figure people running benchmarks would know better, but who knows.
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maybe its caused by throttling down due temperature
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Yeah maybe that's the case.
pete4k said:
Maybe memory of Note 3 is faster and larger than other phone, which shouldn't be Samsung because S5 uses AC version. I think Note3 has very fast RAM and if other phone has slower (read cheaper) RAM it could bottleneck there. Also, as the other poster said the other phone could be thermally throttling, especially if the benchmarks were run multiple times to get average. You figure people running benchmarks would know better, but who knows.
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The thing is that, other Note 3 get's around 9-10 FPS, which is normal for a 8974AA SoC. So either some Note 3's got the AB(which is unlikley) or Samsung is cheating again and overclocking the GPU to AB levels only for the Bench.
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Yeah maybe that's the case.
The thing is that, other Note 3 get's around 9-10 FPS, which is normal for a 8974AA SoC. So either some Note 3's got the AB(which is unlikley) or Samsung is cheating again and overclocking the GPU to AB levels only for the Bench.
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Samsung never overclocked anything, what they did in the past is ramp up frequency to maximum before benchmark started running, so there was no delay to get CPU/GPU to full speed, like you have with on demand governor. I don't believe it's cheating because you can set the governor to run full click yourself (if rooted) and benefit from this as well with any game/ benchmark. It also shows how inefficient ondemand governor is and maybe we should be using different governor setting which is interesting topic all by itself. I remember there was similar "scandal" few years ago in graphic card business, where drivers were optimized for particular benchmarks. Well, now all video drivers are optimized for specific, mostly graphic intensive games and we all benefit from it by having better performance, from lesser hardware. Maybe this could also benefit all of us by giving us better governors, so the phones can run faster with the same hardware, instead of being artificially slowed down with poor choice of governor settings. As far as other Notes running slower, thermal throttling due to multiple benchmark runs to get average would be my wild guess. Or maybe you deleted factory bloatware and change settings to make your phone faster, but no, you don't have AB version.
Hey guys,
Was playing something a few days ago and i noticed it worked like utter crap and today i ran Geekbench 3 a few times and i got results for single core between 472 and 670 and i saw most people are getting 900+. What can affect the phone in such a horrible way? Any ideeas? This is not acceptable.
EDIT: I just noticed the following when comparing the benchmarks (mine is the lower one)
https://browser.primatelabs.com/geekbench3/compare/4255827?baseline=4255794
The processor IDs differ:
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 0 part 3331 revision 3 (crap one)
ARM implementer 65 architecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 (good one)
Anything to comment on this? Should i return the device?
UPDATE: The Processor IDs differ based on the which cores are running so variant 1 p3335 r2 are all hexa cores running while the other variant has only the quad cores running at max speed or throttled down to avoid overheating.
Bottom line is the fact that as soon as the processor starts to overheat then the CPU throttling kicks and performance of the handset goes to hell. It heats after 5 minutes if you use CPU intensive apps so beware. The single core performance halves after a maximum of 10 minutes while the multi core performance will drop as well but by a 40% amount, that's why you will see bad results in Antutu Benchmark and Geekbench after your CPU is already hot or you run a lot of tests.
I have the same revision as yours as roughly the same score as the other processor Id.
are you rooted? stock rom? Any application issues? Assuming you have a titanium backup or similar of your applications, have you tried redownloading the factory image from google?I have the 335 processor id and score1301
I have the 2nd variant
I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506
Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
Can you guys run the test 3-4 times to see if the results change?
PS: Stock rom, no root, fresh format.
Question: what's the difference between MDB08L MDB08M MDB08I and MDA89E. I assume they're the builds in order of release with MDB08M being the latest?
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Seriously weird, now it's showing up as variant 1. First 1-2 tests score above 1.2k the subsequent ones score below 800...
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The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.
@haloimplant thanks for the info... So basically my phone ain't crap, it's the QC SD 808 which is complete garbage -_-
C:\Users\adrag>adb shell cat /proc/cpuinfo
Processor : AArch64 Processor rev 3 (aarch64)
processor : 0
processor : 1
processor : 2
processor : 3
processor : 4
processor : 5
Features : fp asimd evtstrm aes pmull sha1 sha2 crc32
CPU implementer : 0x41
CPU architecture: 8
CPU variant : 0x0
CPU part : 0xd03
CPU revision : 3
Hardware : Qualcomm Technologies, Inc MSM8992
Well it can be seen from the above info that my revision is older....
Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.
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Yeah this generation of SoCs just isn't very good...first cut of 64-bit cores on an almost 4-year old process node... Oh well I'm still happy with the fingerprint scanner and camera and performance is good enough for my usage (reddit and email mostly). Games I tried slowed down pretty horrifically though, they are probably the only use case that really drives a heavy constant load.
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I would say the camera and constant updates are the only thing that keeps this phone together... Coming from an OnePlus ONE to this and i am mostly appalled by the horrific performance of the 5X and from all t he reviews that I read nothing mentioned a horrible throttling. That anandtech article is good though, thanks for the tip!
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I just installed GeekBench 3 and tested the phone. The score I got is: 1221 and 3506
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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.
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My details say variant 1 part 3335 revision 2 and I'm getting almost exactly the same scores as you: 1227 and 3506.
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Same variant and nearly same scores 1263 and 3439.
Done some more tests today to make sure i'm not completely drunk:
Played a bit with the phone (settings menu) and ran a GB3 test
Results: single 770 multi 2931
Let the phone cool down for 5 minutes and ran another GB3 test:
Results: single 1230 multi 3447
Processor ID: ARM implementer 65 arhitecture 8 variant 1 part 3335 revision 2
What i don't understand is why if i look into cpuinfo i get the other variant info.
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The phone throttles pretty hard when it gets hot, check out the anandtech review the big cores throttle after less than 2 minutes constant load and shut down completely after 12 minutes.
I have a case on mine and the first 3 runs were around 1200, more runs after that were in the 800s including one that was 664.
It's kind of lame, makes me wish I'd waited for 16nm because i think these 64-bit stock ARM cores in 28nm might actually be worse than the custom 32-bit ones from previous years (RAM usage is lower too with 32-bit as well for some reason). The only advantage I can think of is that 32-bit support will be dropped at some point but that's a long way off.
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This is how they are designed to work, they can not really work any other way, and after a short time of being pushed hard the SoC has no option but to throttle down the CPU. Cooling can be active or passive, active cooling requires a heat-sink and fan, passive cooling works by reducing CPU speed until temperatures reduce to normal levels, you can also have a combination of the two like most laptops and even desktop PCs. When you have a smart phone, active cooling isn't possible, so how else can the SoC be cooled down?
The 16nm will be just the same, because marketing will dictate selling the CPU at higher clock rates, so pushing a bench-marking program will give you higher numbers due to the faster CPU speed, but then will quickly throttle back, so you will still get the difference between fast and slow due to passive cooling, just the slow might not be as slow, but then again it could be worse. The problem is that the smaller the SoC the harder it is to remove the heat as it has a smaller surface area, so I wouldn't expect much improvement overall, just the max and mins should be higher then previous generations but the performance drop will still be evident.
If you want to play the latest demanding games for more than a few minutes, a smart phone isn't the device to do it on, it just isn't designed for it.
Regards
Phil
@PhilipL I'm sorry but i just cannot agree with you on this. On my old OnePlus One i could play Dominations without any problems and the throttling was almost non existent (QC Snapdragon 801) but on the 5X it's sluggish as soon as i enter it so yeah... I don't think this kind of garbage is acceptable on a newer generation of processors, i've had a friend do the same test on his HTC One M7 and the results after 5-6 runs were of about 650 on single core and about 2100 on multicore which was just a tiny bit slower than my Nexus 5X after 3-4 runs.
How is ANY of this even close to being normal on newer phones? How and WHY is the Snapdragon 801 faster and better than my Snapdragon 808. Can someone explain who had this garbage idea of throttling the processor that hard to bring the speeds down to something worse the last year's processor? If this is how they solve processor overheating on the Snapdragon 820 as well then they might as well throw it in the garbage can.
Furthermore why doesn't the Exynos 7420 on the S6 behave in the same why? Why does it throttle only so slightly that it almost unnoticeable ?
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What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.
No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.
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No, but i had the 5X for a few days, sent it back because of a dead pixel and now i'm thinking about getting a new one or if i should wait. The touchscreen of my N4 stopped working properly a week ago, which makes it even harder to wait.
But to get on the topic: I had the 5X and the Moto X Pure/Style to see which one i like more, ultimately it was the 5X because of the better camera in normal/low light and the size.
I played around with Geekbench and Riptide 2 (after reading the Anandtech review) and can confirm the throttling on the 5X. The thing is, this wasn't the case on the Moto X, i could play a round of Riptide and run Geekbench a few times or run 4-5 Geekbench passes and the score didn't go to hell like on the 5X.
This also translates into real life usage, if you take more than a few HDR+ images, for example, which makes it a bit of a problem. ;(
I don't know if the throttling on the 5X is just really conservative (altough the phone got quite warm) or if the cooling on the Moto X just works better because of the aluminum body.
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I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
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Well, it's already snowing in denmark!
But about general usage and every day performance, i think you're absolutely right. Some "problems" due to the thermal throttling should only apply to "corner cases".
Rogoshin said:
I have both phones right now, and i disagree. I can see no difference in every day preformance.
Sendt fra min Nexus 5X med Tapatalk
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cidefix said:
What are you guys using your phone for? Running benchmarks the whole day? I can't see any performance issue in real life.
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Pretty much nothing and still it's laggy. Starting apps is slow, installation of new apps is slow and slows the device down to a crawl as well. I see many blaming encryption as LG G4 has the same NAND and it's 30% faster.
Hello , i am using the exyynos variant of the s7 edge. When i benchmark it i get a score of 105000 on average.
But the other s7 edge variants get a score of 138000. which is a big differance. Does anyone know y this is happening.
I experiance some log while playing games too.
Thanks in advance
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Hello , i am using the exyynos variant of the s7 edge. When i benchmark it i get a score of 105000 on average.
But the other s7 edge variants get a score of 138000. which is a big differance. Does anyone know y this is happening.
I experiance some log while playing games too.
Thanks in advance
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Be sure you bench the phone from a cold state as the score will drop big time if it's heated. Also the lag should go away in two weeks.
turn off all power saving options and other features present in nougat
also, whisper in its ear when you start the benchmark from cold...
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It's normal. I get lower score in Antutu Benchmark every device I use like Note 2, Note Edge, S7 Edge. There are too many reasons for that, first is heat. Number of installed app, cache, thumbnails, Whatsapp Files and SD Card fullness are other things to effect Antutu score.
(Antutu Average Score is calculate in best conditions, I mean, it's just theorotical score, not pratically. So, you don't need to think about getting lower score on Antutu )
Like everyone said, you should bench from cold state. Also delete every app running in backround. :good:
like it matters... the overall performance is the most important and I addume you're happy with S7 speed.
life is too short to worry about benchmarks
Hi there,
I recently bought a used v20 and found it to be really slow for a SD 820 device so today i ran Antutu and Geekbench and i'm getting like 73k in antutu and 1800 multicore in Geekbench.
That does not look right. Any suggestions?
I've searched around and no one else who thinks their phone is lagging did the benchmarks.
That doesn't sound right. Mine is running nice and smooth with no issues, did you purchase the phone from a carrier of 3rd party?
antutu average for this phone is around 130k i believe so your phone isnt working right
Your scores are really low.
I've just ran both tests and get the following results:
Antutu - 148346
Geekbench 4 - Multicore - 4061
Hmmmm what a difference! This is very bad performance for a 1400 dolar phone. And what's your score on the Galaxy S20 Ultra?
https://youtu.be/LfZUNL5hyVw
Scores on these things are useless, not worth watching the video
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Definitely don't waste your time on watching such a useless video with cheesy "royalty free" muzak.
My S20 Ultra feels as smooth as my iPad Pro 2018. Which is saying a LOT!
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Hmmmm what a difference! This is very bad performance for a 1400 dolar phone. And what's your score on the Galaxy S20 Ultra?
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Simply put you are comparing apple to oranges. The Huwaei phone does not have any Google services so not all things can be considered equal here.
Until the Huweai is a real Android phone with Google services than this comparison is null and void.
EDIT: Also, Huweai has been caught doing unscrupulous things before. So gaming the benchmark system would not at all surprise me.
S20 ultra results doesn't make sense to me. You can download an app called androbench to test the storage speed. This is my score from Exynos S20U 5G
I don't put much stock in Benchmarks (particularly Antutu) it really doesn't give you anything - the best way to test a phone is using the phone and feeling how it works - how fast it is - how smooth - etc....
having said that, for grins and giggles I ran Antutu on my S20Ultra and the results were totally different from the video - so, take that video with a grain of salt....on any Benchmark Test - YMMV...
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I don't put much stock in Benchmarks (particularly Antutu) it really doesn't give you anything - the best way to test a phone is using the phone and feeling how it works - how fast it is - how smooth - etc....
having said that, for grins and giggles I ran Antutu on my S20Ultra and the results were totally different from the video - so, take that video with a grain of salt....on any Benchmark Test - YMMV...
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Snapdragon version right?
Aezhyr said:
Snapdragon version right?
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Yes.
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Yes.
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The max i got on my exynos was 527k.
Huge difference to your score. I know benchmarks aren't everything but still...
Does the Snapdragon version heat up? Even just opening the camera for a while I start feeling the phone just a bit warm next to the camera (the processor location)
Was wondering if the SD has the same issue.
I'm considering returning the exynos and import the SD version from Korea or Hong Kong
Snapdragon here, cold as ice.
Aezhyr said:
The max i got on my exynos was 527k.
Huge difference to your score. I know benchmarks aren't everything but still...
Does the Snapdragon version heat up? Even just opening the camera for a while I start feeling the phone just a bit warm next to the camera (the processor location)
Was wondering if the SD has the same issue.
I'm considering returning the exynos and import the SD version from Korea or Hong Kong
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Just do a search on Samsung Community Forums or on Google and you will find the Exynos s20s run hot! This being just from basic tasks. Samsung really blew it this time with their Exynos chipset. Only way they can fix this is by throttling in a future update which would make the Chipset even slower than it is now vs the Snapdragon. The Snapdragons are much cooler and battery life is fantastic.
If you want to compare performance I'll run 3dmark and you do the same on yours. Exynos vs Snapdragon.
Benchmark Results
Slingshot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 7367
Graphics score 8400
Physics score 5151
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6709
Grapics score 8249
Physics score 4058
This was with Power mode set to high performance - FHD 2400x1080 - 120hz
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Just do a search on Samsung Community Forums or on Google and you will find the Exynos s20s run hot! This being just from basic tasks. Samsung really blew it this time with their Exynos chipset. Only way they can fix this is by throttling in a future update which would make the Chipset even slower than it is now vs the Snapdragon. The Snapdragons are much cooler and battery life is fantastic.
If you want to compare performance I'll run 3dmark and you do the same on yours. Exynos vs Snapdragon.
Benchmark Results
Slingshot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 7367
Graphics score 8400
Physics score 5151
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6709
Grapics score 8249
Physics score 4058
This was with Power mode set to high performance - FHD 2400x1080 - 120hz
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I did that test the other day with me phone set to high performance as well. The results were pretty disappointing:
Slings Shot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 6696
Graphics score 8473
Physics score 3862
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6220
Graphics score 8724
Physics score 3103
The graphics score aren't bad, but the physics ones are downright sh**.
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I did that test the other day with me phone set to high performance as well. The results were pretty disappointing:
Slings Shot Extreme - OpenGL ES 3.1
Overall score 6696
Graphics score 8473
Physics score 3862
Sling Shot Extreme - Vulkan
Overall score 6220
Graphics score 8724
Physics score 3103
The graphics score aren't bad, but the physics ones are downright sh**.
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Get the Snapdragon
Aezhyr said:
The max i got on my exynos was 527k.
Huge difference to your score. I know benchmarks aren't everything but still...
Does the Snapdragon version heat up? Even just opening the camera for a while I start feeling the phone just a bit warm next to the camera (the processor location)
Was wondering if the SD has the same issue.
I'm considering returning the exynos and import the SD version from Korea or Hong Kong
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I have never had any heat issues - playing games it might get slightly warm, but that could be because I am holding it close in my hands and my hands are warm, if you know what I mean....I love this phone - it is the beast it was expected to be - original camera issues (focus problems) seem to be better - maybe not perfect but definately better - I am very happy with this phone....hope you can work things out so you are too - good luck.
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I have never had any heat issues - playing games it might get slightly warm, but that could be because I am holding it close in my hands and my hands are warm, if you know what I mean....I love this phone - it is the beast it was expected to be - original camera issues (focus problems) seem to be better - maybe not perfect but definately better - I am very happy with this phone....hope you can work things out so you are too - good luck.
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I'm not saying I'm not happy, but I open the camera for 5 minutes and CPU goes to 65°C +, it's insane. The performance is great, but no "ultra" like the Snapdragon version
I love this phone, but it's like loving a Ferrari with a Fiat Punto engine! The design is amazing, the screen and etc. But I feel like I'm being ripped off by paying 10% more for a phone that's 10% worse.