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So I just used a 5x for the first time. Nexus 5 user here

Ps: big text incoming... I should write novels not Internet forum posts! Bear with me pls.
I've been kinda wanting to replace my Nexus 5 for a while now.
Things that annoy me are the battery that doesn't last that long - doesn't make it through the day if I happen to use it a bit more than the occasional message and photo. And the camera... I have taken freaking fantastic photos with this phone! Even though so many people complain, and fore sure there are way better cameras, Google Camera's HDR+ works wonders!
However.... Quite frequently I loose quick shots because the phone takes forever from 0 to Photo-snap! Focus is slow and unreliable...
Other than those two things, I really can't complain! Specially for the price! 400€ 32gb bright red model. Kinda cheap and unique as **** as you don't really see many screaming bright red phones around.
Still.... I want a reliable camera and a battery that lasts the day even when I use the phone at will.
So I started looking...
Galaxy S6 => awesome hardware! (even though the battery is kinda iffy) but failWiz makes it a no go for me!.. I was nearly going for it when I found out you can't even use alternative keyboards freely because Samsung's ram manager keeps pushing them out.
LG g4.. Meh camera ain't that fantastic, just has a great manual mode.
Nexus 6p ... Seems cool! But it's too big, and now that it's seemingly crappy internal structure design has been revealed... I'm not looking forward to pay over 630€ for a phone whose design had corners cut.
So I considered the 5x. Even though I hate the fake front speaker grill
It kinda checks all boxes.
But today, to my surprise I found one on exposition on a local electronics shop. First I was like "wow cool!" then after playing around with it for a while and comparing it to my N5 I was more like "Meh... Not paying 530€ for this."
The camera looks awesome, even though it didn't seem to snap pics that fast (was in low light ambient)
But it doesn't really perspire quality.
If it'd cost here the same it costs in the states, sure. Good deal!
But for this price... Doesn't seem worth jumping from the Nexus 5 to the 5x.
Did I miss something? What makes this phone fantastic?
I wanted to love it....but I walked away far from in love.

Yeah... Unless your N5 is crapping out, you really have no reason to replace it.
Only reason why I'm thinking the 5x is because after two years, it has some light wear and tear that drives my ocd nuts, as do a couple of hairline cracks at the sim tray and the volume rocker.
All I would expect from the 5 to the 5x is an improved camera, maybe slightly better battery, slightly improved SoC... And nexus imprint... Other than that, its the same phone. Which isn't a bad thing. The N5 was/is a great device, and if u add the above mentioned features, its worthy of a slightly bumped up price from it's predecessor
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Yeah mine is all cracked too (the plastic around it) and none of the cracks apparently related to falls o.o
First one was the between the audio-jack and the screen. One day... there was a crack there!.. awesome lol
Now there's another one bellow the volume rocker and one next to the sim-tray as well. Top notch built quality!! xD never complained cuz of the price...
The thing about the price bump is that the price bump in Europe isn't because of extra hardware, otherwise it would have the same bump in the States. No - it's most probably because google felt like joining the bandwagon of ripping off ppl in Europe! lol... Taxes? Sure there are more taxes here and import taxes, but not to cover that much difference in price I don't think.
So it makes it kinda hard to justify the price even if I was shopping for a phone from scratch, not for a swap.

If you want a fingerprint scanner and a better camera, but that's about it. Larger screen too. I really like my 5X, it replaced my S6 edge and I'm much more pleased with the 5X. My old man is using my original nexus 5, so I couldn't take that from him, but he's pleased with it.
I got used to using a fingerprint with the S6E and since Android pay wants a secure lock screen, it just made sense for me to get the 5X over finding another 5. But I'm in the States and it's cheaper here, so that helped with the decision too.

SrPintas said:
Yeah mine is all cracked too (the plastic around it) and none of the cracks apparently related to falls o.o
First one was the between the audio-jack and the screen. One day... there was a crack there!.. awesome lol
Now there's another one bellow the volume rocker and one next to the sim-tray as well. Top notch built quality!! xD never complained cuz of the price...
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Oh yeah... I have the one by the audio jack too lmao.
Nobody ever claimed the n5 had good build quality. It's always been described as feeling "cheap" and "plastic". I always thought mine might have came from minor drops until I read that virtually everyone has them lol.
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It's like an N5 that's improved in every way IMO. The downsides being it's physically larger and a bit more expensive.
Biggest improvements are battery life and the camera image quality.
However some examples of the more unexpected improvements that you notice once you start using the device for a while:
Charge speeds. I've not charged over night even once yet as a 30 minute charge is enough to get through a day (roughly 50%).
Skin temperature. This device stays much cooler than the N5 especially during lighter usage such as Streaming Netflix and browsing. Battery temperatures remain consistently cooler than the N5 at all times, especially gaming.
Fingerprint sensor and ambient display: Together make it feel like you're interacting with the device in a whole new way. No need to use the power button ever.

How does the battery fair on a daily basis?
N5 is terrible even dose working it's magic while the phone is idling is not enough for it to make it alive in the evening if I use it a fair amount at some point during the morning.

SrPintas said:
How does the battery fair on a daily basis?
N5 is terrible even dose working it's magic while the phone is idling is not enough for it to make it alive in the evening if I use it a fair amount at some point during the morning.
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It's awesome. I don't need to disable a single thing and my run times are similar to my N5 that had just about everything disabled.
It might only have an extra 400mAh but it feels like an extra 1000mAh. Part of that is because of Android 6.0 and Doze though.
Most of my results are in the 4-6 hours SoT range across 20+ hours. Lowest is 3 hours SoT across 20+ hours with weak signal mobile data usage and gaming. 50% manual brightness with most software features enabled.
Examples:
http://imgur.com/a/gVuT3
http://imgur.com/a/UhqdL

Sounds pretty good.
I rarely (never) see even 3h sot, much less 4 :'D
Sounds like I saw what the N5x has on offer pretty well.
The thing screwing it up is the EU price adjustment being even worse than it was with the N5

Ok, long post too... bear with me...
So, I had the exact same issues as you described. I loved my N5 and I've been using it daily for the past 2 years or so. The main reasons I wanted to change phones was battery life and the cameras, both rear and front facing. I do agree with you when you say that the N5 snapped some fantastic shots though. HDR+ really works wonders.
I considered a lot of options such as the Moto X Style/Pure, Nexus 6P, LG G4, Xperia Z5, Galaxy S6 or the OnePlus 2, but they're just too physically big. Can't carry around a phone that big. I'd have to buy new trousers because I wouldn't be able to fit it in any of my pockets
Also, Z5 and S6 are way too expensive and I find it morally wrong to spend so much money on a phone... personal thing...
After a lot of reading and thinking, I did get the 5X in the end. I'm in the UK so I paid slightly less than 530€ (£350 which is around 485€). I must say that I'm definitely happy with the upgrade.
As for the camera, when you say it doesn't perspire quality, you're completely wrong. The camera on this phone is FREAKING amazing, the quality is outstanding and the focus is lovely! The sensor captures a LOT of detail! I mean, A LOT OF DETAIL! Can't really say about the colours cause I'm colour-blind (lol), but I find them spot on (a little bit on the dark side perhaps but nothing to worry about, you can always bump up the brightness in edit mode). The aperture is quite good which makes the macro mode fantastic as well (depth of field related). Even though I got some decent shots with the original N5, this camera is on a completely different level, quality wise! As for speed, I find the camera app a little bit to slow at times but this is a software issue rather than an hardware one. The focus is fast and accurate. Most likely the app slow down will be addressed in a future app update.
Front facing camera is also quite decent. Wide angle is awesome for selfies and it also captures a lot of detail. Coming from the 1.3MP camera on the N5, this one is a welcome improvement, trust me!
As for battery life, don't get your hopes up. Don't get me wrong, battery usage is way better than the N5 and it does last a full WORKING day (which I wouldn't get out of the N5... I'm a very heavy user) but it's no Z3/Z5 compact. I'd say you can get 30/35% more usage time on the 5X. While it might not seem a lot but I've been getting a lot more Screen on Time and standby usage has also improved. I feel like doze works way better on the 5X than on the N5, probably due to the revamped hardware (note that always on sensors on the 808 SoC are much more battery efficient). Quick charge works wonders too! Charge it for 10/15 minutes and you're good for another 4/5h of usage. Perfect for when you have a night out, just charge it for 10 mins before leaving work and you're good to go!
Chipset-wise, while it might not seem a worthy upgrade, I have to say that the 808 performs exceptionally well. The 64bit architecture DOES MAKE a difference although by looking at the specs on paper you won't really tell. Even though my N5 was mostly snappy, it would lag and struggle at times. I've yet to experience that on the 5X and I have the exact same apps/setup I had on my N5. Definitely an improvement on performance too.
As for the rest, it's pretty much the same experience as the N5. Build quality, android experience, sound (no stereo speakers, bummer, but it's the same as the N5 so...), screen quality. I was happy with what I had and I'm happy with what I have now
By the way, two features I didn't care much for were the fingerprint sensor and the ambient display. While they may not be deal breakers, both things are quite a nice to have. Regarding the fingerprint sensor, its position is perfect and it works almost flawlessly! Also it's fast... like, insanely FAST! The ambient display helps battery and it works good, not great but good (doesn't always kick in perfectly). I'm guessing this could be addressed on a future software update as well. Again, it's not a deal breaker but it's definitely a great addition to an already good phone.
Sorry for the long post, hope it helps

Wow
Don't apologize for the long text! Not only I don't mind reading but that's exactly what I was hoping to find: someone in a similar situation!
I wasn't aware the price was lower in the UK! Neat... Might be worth importing if I travel or someone close does. Any chance of a insurance on purchase for damage or theft?
Oh and regarding what I wrote about it not traspiring quality. After I read again what I wrote I though it might be confusing because I didn't change subject. I meant the device itself, not the camera, when I wrote it didn't transpire quality and thus didn't feel worth the price.
Also jumping from a N5, where do you put the quality at? The one I used had a gigantic anti-theft alarm dongle glued to it's back so I couldn't really tell.
The vibration engine felt way better even though I could only test it by inputting a not-recognized finger print!
The buttons seemed very nice even though I've read bad things about them on several places

In norway you can get a carrier lock discount, witch makes the price of the phone itself the same as in the us. No option to do that where you are buying it?

SrPintas said:
Wow
Don't apologize for the long text! Not only I don't mind reading but that's exactly what I was hoping to find: someone in a similar situation!
I wasn't aware the price was lower in the UK! Neat... Might be worth importing if I travel or someone close does. Any chance of a insurance on purchase for damage or theft?
Oh and regarding what I wrote about it not traspiring quality. After I read again what I wrote I though it might be confusing because I didn't change subject. I meant the device itself, not the camera, when I wrote it didn't transpire quality and thus didn't feel worth the price.
Also jumping from a N5, where do you put the quality at? The one I used had a gigantic anti-theft alarm dongle glued to it's back so I couldn't really tell.
The vibration engine felt way better even though I could only test it by inputting a not-recognized finger print!
The buttons seemed very nice even though I've read bad things about them on several places
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I got the 32Gb by the way, 16Gb is £300 although I wouldn't recommend 16Gb to anyone given the fact that there's no micro sd slot...
It is possible to get an insurance, yes. I guess it's something like £12/mo but I don't know what it covers (probably 1 screen replacement, theft I don't know... check carphone warehouse for more details). Also, I don't know if you'll be able to do it since you don't live in the UK.
Quality wise, I'd say if you feel like the N5 has a cheap build quality, you'll have the same opinion about the 5X. This phone doesn't have an aluminium unibody neither it does have gorilla glass 4. It is not an iphone 6s/htc m9/6P/etc, they had to cut costs somewhere I guess. It won't win any design awards either, that's for sure. Having said that, if you feel ok with the N5, you'll notice no difference handling the 5X. If you (because you're upgrading to a new device) expect the new phone to have a more premium feel (as "they" put it and has been taunted pretty much everywhere...) you won't get that from the 5X.
Vibration engine is sometimes annoyingly loud and tbh, not quite strong. But does the job I guess, I feel it vibrating in my hand and in my pocket, I've yet to miss a call cause I didn't feel it vibrating plus, I don't think that will be a reason to/not to buy the phone.
The button are, well, buttons... I've seen people complaining about the N5 having ceramic buttons and the 5X plastic ones. My thought about that is... who cares? Because of the fingerprint sensor I'm using a power button a lot less and the volume rocker has a rather nice position as it's placed towards the centre rather on the top of the phone. I find it convenient because the headphone jack is on the bottom so, when listening to music, my phone is faced down in my back pocket and I can easily adjust the volume without hassle.
In my opinion, I don't really care about aluminium unibody bull****. It gives a premium feeling, ok that's fair enough, if you're into that. Although if you're into that, you'll probably, won't be looking at the 5X Also, I rather have a phone that won't give me an heart attack when (notice the "when" rather than "if"!) I drop it

I'm there with you.
"Premium" quality comes with ups and downs.
I'm a but into design so I like a good looking device just like I nice a well designed car.
However I also drop em once in a while xD Nexus has proven incredibly durable (think I'm lucky too), I doubt a S6 or iPhone would survive some of the drops the n5 did.
When i asked about quality and feeling I didn't mean to compare with the more design oriented devices. But compare it with the N5 and other plastic chassi phones. The 5x sure is plastic, but it felt more "solid" in my hand than the N5. But I can't be sure cuz of the alarm dongle that was stuck to it.
On the buttons... So what if the n5 has ceramic?... Nice touch, but they are have some play. 5x's seemed more solid even if not "clickier" like most people seem to like

HabueN said:
In norway you can get a carrier lock discount, witch makes the price of the phone itself the same as in the us. No option to do that where you are buying it?
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I wish. But so far no carrier has it or has announced anything regarding it

SrPintas said:
How does the battery fair on a daily basis?
N5 is terrible even dose working it's magic while the phone is idling is not enough for it to make it alive in the evening if I use it a fair amount at some point during the morning.
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Have you tried replacing your original phone battery? Mine was getting pretty bad and I replaced it with a new one bought off ebay a month ago. I now comfortably get a day and a half of moderate use. SOT time around 3.5 hours and doze is doing wonders compared to Lollipop. When kept overnight (11:00 pm to 6:00 am) the battery loses only 3% and I will take that any day!
I think people need to understand that a lithium ion battery will start falling down in performance considerably when approaching its life limit. Now comparing to the N5X I don't consider it worth the upgrade but will most likely switch to the next Nexus in October 2016.

sshariff said:
Have you tried replacing your original phone battery? Mine was getting pretty bad and I replaced it with a new one bought off ebay a month ago. I now comfortably get a day and a half of moderate use. SOT time around 3.5 hours and doze is doing wonders compared to Lollipop. When kept overnight (11:00 pm to 6:00 am) the battery loses only 3% and I will take that any day!
I think people need to understand that a lithium ion battery will start falling down in performance considerably when approaching its life limit. Now comparing to the N5X I don't consider it worth the upgrade but will most likely switch to the next Nexus in October 2016.
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I've thought about it. But kinda dozed off the idea when I didn't know which battery to choose =P

I replaced the battery on my N5 two months ago so I speak out of experience. It has gotten better but 5X's battery still performs better than a new battery on my N5.
Battery life is never linear as it depends on each person usage. I personally have everything on all the time... I rely heavily on Google's services like location tracking, location based reminders and I "need" a always-on data connection. Given this premise, my battery is bound not to last as long as other peoples' but I think starting to turn features off in order to preserve battery is not the way to go. I want to fully experience my phone and I'm aware that may cause battery drains. That's why I have a power bank ;pp
Regarding design, I'm very picky too, trust me. I do, however prefer minimalistic designs and both the N5 and 5X suit my design obsession. Again, this is also a matter of personal taste...

SrPintas said:
Also jumping from a N5, where do you put the quality at? The one I used had a gigantic anti-theft alarm dongle glued to it's back so I couldn't really tell.
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Won't ask any questions, and if u answer, I'll say I never knew u. Lol
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H0tep said:
Won't ask any questions, and if u answer, I'll say I never knew u. Lol
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Ahahahah xD
It was in exposition in a major electronics shop and stuck to the counter with an alarm dongle and "chain" cable.
Didn't really use it at home or something with the dongle still attached xD

Why The Bad Press??

I own this Device along with many other Android Devices. The LgG G5 for me is one of the Best Android Phones Ive ever used, simply because LG had the Balls to try something different and Unique!!
I'm sick of reading that LG dropped the ball with this device????? Where?? The 2! cameras are fantastic, the process power of the phone is Hard to beat! The screen is crystal clear, the speaker sounds great!!
My hats off to LG for trying to be unique.. Isnt that what Android is all about?

It's a competition
markdexter said:
I own this Device along with many other Android Devices. The LgG G5 for me is one of the Best Android Phones Ive ever used, simply because LG had the Balls to try something different and Unique!!
I'm sick of reading that LG dropped the ball with this device????? Where?? The 2! cameras are fantastic, the process power of the phone is Hard to beat! The screen is crystal clear, the speaker sounds great!!
My hats off to LG for trying to be unique.. Isnt that what Android is all about?
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I hope that it cools off - but it will continue for some time likely. I have always noticed that the true test of any new phone will be the test of time and that will become apparent only 6 months to a year from now. Right now people want to sell phones and it gets a little ridiculous how hard people want to put down or inflate a given product. It's unfortunate that many of the phone manufacturers are releasing their new product at roughly the same time - but we might all win with competitive pricing. The hyperbole though is intense and over the top. I like my new G5 a lot and the on-line criticism makes me second guess my choice - just like last time, curiously. I will try to ignore the internet hype while I somewhat privately enjoy my new toy in a mature and subdued manner.

It's not like a bad press, but more a "the S7 is better, why would you buy this g5 ****?"
Just look at some threads here in xda, are full of Samsung owners (I don't like the term "fanboy") which want to be said that S7 is better, even if it is not.
I'm italian, and in my country it's the same, all g5 news are full of useless comment like:" it's ugly, anyone who's buy this **** has to be blind! " or" lg has failed, don't buy a lg g5" and you know what? The device will arrive in Italy this Thursday! Lol
Also, look to the first italian review, it's a perfect phone, but with the reviewer stress the battery lasted only till 19, so guess what? 8!
That's all, reviews are quite positive, and the only negative side, apart from the faulty devices, is the battery which is not in par with others 2016 devices.
And still I've not understand this hated against a multinational lol
Just look at the comment below mines

markdexter said:
I own this Device along with many other Android Devices. The LgG G5 for me is one of the Best Android Phones Ive ever used, simply because LG had the Balls to try something different and Unique!!
I'm sick of reading that LG dropped the ball with this device????? Where?? The 2! cameras are fantastic, the process power of the phone is Hard to beat! The screen is crystal clear, the speaker sounds great!!
My hats off to LG for trying to be unique.. Isnt that what Android is all about?
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Not sure if you are seriously asking a question or just want a place to disagree and lavish your new toy with unhealthy amounts of affection...
simply because LG had the Balls to try something different and Unique!!
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Its not "balls" thats the mentality of a 6 year old. They took a risk and failed miserably at setting it up properly. What could have been a cool modular system became a half assed cash grab that was poorly thought out. Theres this mentality that fanboys and girls take on that the thing they love was created for the benefit of mankind somehow... They are a business and did it to make money... Look at the price of these modules! $70 for something that could have been done just fine with software controls with a $10 battery thrown in? $200 for the 360 cam? Who would buy that? The hifi plus isnt even coming to the US but in the UK its 149 eur which is about $169! Based on the reviews its about on par with $40-$50 Dacs, $169 makes it more expensive then dac/amps like the fiio e18 and e17 which are better by far...
I'm sick of reading that LG dropped the ball with this device????? Where??
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How about quality control for starters... I know you want to stick your head in the sand and ignore all the criticism of your precious but there are ****loads of issues with quality. Go watch the youtube videos there is no shortage of issues. How about when they dropped the ball on the hifi plus? Why where all the launch issues not taken care of weeks ago? The hifi plus should have been ready for pre order right along with the phone itself. How about that ridiculous iphone like home setup? WTF where they thinking with that?
When you look at the phone and compare it to the generation its actually in (GS7, HTC 10 whatever moto comes out with) It falls flat on its ass without the modularity concept taking off.
Same processor and ram as the competition.
Camera seems to be on par with the competition not really better.
Inferior screen to the competition.
Smaller battery than the competition.
No qi charging like the competition.
No water resistance like the competition.
QC issues that dont exist with the competition.
LG sacrificed having a larger battery, QI charging and water resistance for the modularity and all we got for those sacrifices was a flipping camera addon that basically nobody wants or needs.
That is dropping the ball. Literally all they had to do was match the speccs of sammy and the rest with a nice aluminum body and it would have been killer. The modularity was half assed. For it to be a success it needed to have many modules that are genuinely useful. Instead it had 2 modules, one that half the world wont even get the other a cam module that literally does nothing that couldnt be done with software.

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Look at the price of these modules! $70 for something that could have been done just fine with software controls with a $10 battery thrown in? $200 for the 360 cam? Who would buy that? The hifi plus isnt even coming to the US but in the UK its 149 eur which is about $169! Based on the reviews its about on par with $40-$50 Dacs, $169 makes it more expensive then dac/amps like the fiio e18 and e17 which are better by far...
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Hahaha sorry but I stop reading when you said that the fiio e18 and e17, two dacs from 3 years ago are better than dac using latest ESSabre chips.
By the way the euro-dollar conversion that you use are incorrect, you must exclude the VAT.

I agree with you both. I have the phone love it. But lg did drop the ball on these modules 20+ modules should have been ready to go at launch
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I love LG phones, But the quality of this thing blows. The seams dont line up & just go look at the thread on finding a tempered glass screen protector. The ****ing screen us soft & curves in multiple places at the top & at the bottom corners so there is no tgsp that works without the corners lifting.
It is horrible, No.. But honestly the fit & finish of the LG k7 (140 dollar POS) leaves this thing in the dust.

bastage said:
I love LG phones, But the quality of this thing blows. The seams dont line up & just go look at the thread on finding a tempered glass screen protector. The ****ing screen us soft & curves in multiple places at the top & at the bottom corners so there is no tgsp that works without the corners lifting.
It is horrible, No.. But honestly the fit & finish of the LG k7 (140 dollar POS) leaves this thing in the dust.
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LG did not manufacture the tempered glass!! This has to be the worst argument ever!
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LG did not manufacture the tempered glass!! This has to be the worst argument ever!
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No... No it isnt.. LG did the screen with the intention of it being flat & uniform. But it is not. The screens are not even & unintentionally curve in places it is not supposed to (I am not talking about the top where the obvious curve is). There is no reason that the bottom corners should be seated lower then the bottom middle or the sides, bit it is in fact that way.

Dude seriously markdexter did you start the thread just so people will pat your head & tell you it'll all be ok?
LG dropped the ball & its being noticed across the interwebs by professional reviewers & regular enthusiasts alike. And I have NEVER seen a top end phone with this many physical flaws from any manufacturer. Hell for that matter I havent seen a budget phone with this many physical flaws. LG tried something new & they should be commended for that. But the execution is severly lacking in what you should expect for the money. Believe me I hear about flaws in pretty much every phone from every manufacturer (currently do customer support for one of the big 4 & used to do tech support for 2 of the other big 4) but this isnt the normal 1 or maybe even 2 common things that may be slightly off. This is a very large number of devices effected by 4 or 5 issues.

Thread closed for being a flame bait. It will not be re opened.
Don't create such threads again.
Also this rule.
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Will you think about switching to the HTC 10?

Those of you who have the S7E are you going to check out and think about switching to the HTC 10?
I only ask because I am honestly thinking about it after seeing it today. I like the looks and the specs look good.
What do you like and dislike about the HTC 10 and how do you think it compares to the S7E?

I was HTC boy since QTEK times till 1 week ago when I went for s7e htc still the same design as M7 from 2013 I think HTC 10 is ugly and only 5.2" display
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Design wise it definitely is not winning any awards. But its not as ugly as the g5. Im not switching from the S7EDGE. This a much better phone, the htc 10 is a generic phone, it really has no character, it it really doesnt stand for anything, its a bunch of hardware put together in desperation for sales. The S7EDGE though is a almost a fashion statement, i almost feel special when i take it out of my pocket

Main reason I get Samsung phones over others are screen and camera. Camera may be on par on paper. But the Amoled is still best in the business. Until someone can make a better screen, I'll probably staying where I am.
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No intention of switching but I'll try the phone.
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Yea, I do wish it had a slightly larger display but I actually like the looks of it. Don't get me wrong. I love the looks of the S7E but it's just something about the HTC 10 and it's simple design.
I am looking forward to see how it's screen reacts to touch. Supposedly it will have the lowest response time of any mobile touchscreen on the market including the iPhone. That's about the only thing I miss from the iPhone is it's touch response time.
I'm also looking forward to hearing it's speakers. I like how they kept the front facing speaker for the highs and then separated the lows with the bottom facing speaker. I've also heard if you like listening to music through headphones then it will most likely be the best sounding phone yet.
If i didn't have one more T-Mobile Jump until June I wouldn't even be thinking about it but I'll check it out. Worst comes to worst, if I get it and don't like it, I can always Jump to the Note 6 and then the next Nexus.

jrwingate6 said:
Those of you who have the S7E are you going to check out and think about switching to the HTC 10?
I only ask because I am honestly thinking about it after seeing it today. I like the looks and the specs look good.
What do you like and dislike about the HTC 10 and how do you think it compares to the S7E?
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nothing special on HTC 10 for switching to it !!!
at best point its camera is same
But only design of S7E is more special than anything else!
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Yea, I do wish it had a slightly larger display but I actually like the looks of it. Don't get me wrong. I love the looks of the S7E but it's just something about the HTC 10 and it's simple design.
I am looking forward to see how it's screen reacts to touch. Supposedly it will have the lowest response time of any mobile touchscreen on the market including the iPhone. That's about the only thing I miss from the iPhone is it's touch response time.
I'm also looking forward to hearing it's speakers. I like how they kept the front facing speaker for the highs and then separated the lows with the bottom facing speaker. I've also heard if you like listening to music through headphones then it will most likely be the best sounding phone yet.
If i didn't have one more T-Mobile Jump until June I wouldn't even be thinking about it but I'll check it out. Worst comes to worst, if I get it and don't like it, I can always Jump to the Note 6 and then the next Nexus.
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They all lay claims but usually HTC are good with audio so with that it will be great I'm sure...
Having an over sensitive screen isn't all good, The M8 was very sensitive and can be an annoyance (or it was for me).
It's not all Gloom and like most here I appreciate all tech and companies that really cater to as many requirements as possible....let's not forget it's the M7 and yes iPhone that pushed for other OEM's to up their game on build & design.....
What we have now is a point where it difficult to choose or getting more difficult to choose......unless the OEM is consistent....
HTC lost that with the M9 not saying that was bad (I really liked it bar the Camera wasn't particularly great).
HTC 10 yes it has all the bells and whistles in regards to specs and design is hmmmmmmm it just doesn't inspire me.....huge Shamfers is the angle that they hope people will be drawn to (design wise) we all look at the overall package though (don't we? ) the M10 will suit a few but I'm afraid the Edge is Samsungs lol
While the 10 sounds good in what's on offer......and I'm sure it will be a very decent device.....I'm not sure this will be the device that will boost HTC.....think they should have opted for the happy Medium of a 5.5" display .....we shall see how some real world reviews come out once released and hope it's good for HTC....
But I'm. More than happy with the S7 Edge hmm and then some

The HTC 10 definitely looks like a top contender, solid design, interesting speakers, Apple airplay! apparently a camera maybe on par with s7e, good battery; even though it's 3000 I think HTC is good at optimizing, so I think it will be as good as s7e, let's not forget to mention unlockable bootloader, BUT when I found out it was still LCD I went ahead and bought the s7e , my last amoled was s5 and I've missed it since, I know the colors aren't as natural but no one can deny how pleasant it is to look at. I love my s7e and I don't like Samsung haha

The only phone that will make me want to switch is the note6 well hopefully the specs are up to the standards. / Loved my note3

Nah, I'll stick with the Edge. The 10 looks fine, apart from the fact that they failed to center that home-button! Why couldn't they have moved it up a millimeter?

I've loved HTC phones for years (even the M9!), and thought the 10 would be my Snapdragon 820 phone that I would go with. But while the 10 looks like it can compete with any flagship phone, for me, it's "too little, too late". It simply wouldn't be an upgrade moving from the S7 Edge (but I do wish Samsung had retained the IR blaster!).
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You'll miss the screen of you switch!
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The things about the HTC that are making me consider it over the S7:
Unlocked bootloader (still don't know if we'll ever see the USA S7 unlocked)
Hardware buttons that are almost identical to Samsung's (a big reason I've stuck with Samsung for years)
Possibly 64GB built-in
Camera might give Samsung a run for their money
Sound quality via speakers & headphones
Apparently USB 3.1 via USB-C
Otherwise, the S7/Edge have AMOLED screen, a known great camera, wireless charging, IP68 protection. Now, if the S7 gets full root, I think the S7 is the winner, but that remains to be seen. Glad to see there's a rootable 2016 flagship that will get root if the S7 doesn't. C'mon, Samsung!

Nope. Screen and water resistance.
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HTC 10 looks more like an alternative to the S7 than the Edge. Compared to the Edge, no wireless charging, LCD vs. AMOLED, and a smaller battery and screen are the biggest negatives. No fragile glass back and a front mounted speaker the biggest positives in terms of hardware. I also really like some of Samsung's software mods.
The htc 10 seems to be the best htc phone in many years, and is a legitimate competitor this time around. If the promise is upheld, I'd choose it over the G5. I'd consider it if I were looking at the S7, but probably not over the Edge with its larger screen, battery and Edge functions.

i'm a htc user since 2010. recently switched to s7 edge because of the design of the body, screen, camera, battery and other powerful specs. What I can is that HTC has still the best UI for android phones. Especially now that they minimized the duplicate apps and decided to use the google apps instead. The way HTC handles the settings, app drawer, etc is still far better than the samsung.
I think this is where samsung should made a decision to reduce the bloatware they have for many years now. Sound wise, i'm tempted to hear their new boomsound without the 2 front facing speaker. that feature looks awesome where they place a tweeter at the top speaker and a separated bass speaker at the bottom. Body design wise, i don't think htc change a lot from M7/M8/M9 atleast at the back. the front seems different. it's like a hybrid of A9 and M9. but looks very wide at the pictures. unlike the s7 edge, it looks very slim.
To answer the question, i'm not switching to HTC 10. I like the s7 edge. I just don't like the duplicate apps and some settings I miss with HTC like hiding apps on the app drawer, always alphabetize the app drawer, some default widgets, notification quick setting presets, etc. But since there are some apps and tweaks to make it better, i can live with third party apps to do this annoying things.

Oh man I miss my note 3, it was the greatest, I plan on getting the note 6 but the s7 edge for now is top drawer, had a htc one m9 and apart from warming me up in the winter it wasn't overly great. I'll be staying away from htc until they catch up in screen tech and on design.

As others have said already the only thing that I will consider switching to is the Note 6. The HTC 10 looks like a great phone but besides the speakers it has nothing better to offer. To me it looks like a Samsung knock off.

Nope, the HTC 10 has nothing compelling over my GS7E. Heck, I would choose my old GS6E over the HTC 10. I would choose it, though, over the LG G5.
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[Opinion] Why so many complaints?

Maybe it's just me, but I feel like the G5 is catching a lot crap for almost no reason at all... I've had mine for 1 week now, and no major issues to speak of. It functions as it should, build quality is nearly perfect, and it just works... As the title states, this is all my opinion, so let me break some things down...
Screen bleed: This is bound to happen with most all LCD devices. Even your LCD television will have this issue if the room and screen are dark enough. Some of you that have posted pictures do in fact have a relevant reason for return as it is pretty bad. But also, some of you are just being entirely too picky.
AUX audio noise: This device is native 24bit lossless at 192kHz... MOST of the "cheap" aux cables you buy at the store just don't have the quality wiring inside that you need for this device, and will give you the audio hiss. You're gonna want something that is Audiophile grade (this just simply means high quality), with a thicker wire, better connectors, etc. The basic run of the mill cables just aren't gonna cut it with this device. I ended up going with THIS cable, and my hiss went away. (Your results may vary)
The chin gap: This is directly related to how the battery clips in. The connectors inside the phone are spring loaded and very slightly push back against the battery. On top of that, they are there are two parts that are simply being "snapped" together, so there is bound to be a gap. Again, I too have this "issue" on my phone, but it is so minor that it doesn't really matter. (It's also completely hidden by my case now too) I wouldn't say this is a lack of QC, but rather just certain individuals wanting perfection from a non-perfect world. It's just not gonna happen. An idea for LG, may be to put 2 very small rare earth magnets on either end of the chin module to help combat the spring push from inside the phone?
The clicky power button: Really people? It's a click style power button to begin with. While I will agree the button cap (the part we actually see) could be a bit better than what it is, why is this even a quality complaint? Those of you that are shaking your phone in a silent room and "hearing" the button move are probably mistaken. While the button does have minuscule movement to it, what you are actually hearing is the OIS sensor moving. It's supposed to if you shake the phone.
TL;DR: Complaints are fine if they are legitimate. But most of these are not. It's nothing more than a case of people being far too finicky over the build of a launch device. One can ALWAYS expect to run into SOMETHING they don't like about a first launch device, but should not haze the device to the point of making it potentially fail. If you want things fixed, yes report them, but also look into solutions. Don't haze the product to the point that it scares others away from an otherwise beautifully designed and wonderful product.
Your opinions are always welcome, so let's keep this thread mature if you post. And thank you for reading mine.

tribalartgod said:
Those of you that are shaking your phone in a silent room and "hearing" the button move are probably mistaken. While the button does have minuscule movement to it, what you are actually hearing is the OIS sensor moving. It's supposed to if you shake the phone..
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I have to nitpick here (sorry!). If you lightly hold the button still as you shake the device, there is no noticeable sound. Yet there is certainly a sound from the shaken button and although I am not too familiar with the OIS sensor (I think it has something to do with correcting shaky hands like mine ruining photos?), I am quite sure it is not located in the power button.
However, I cannot yet say I have any complaints about the phone. The button does not actually bother me at all, nor do any of the other complaints I have read here or otherwise. I really think the G5 is an exceptional, well crafted device and I love it! :good:

Had mine for a few days now and I have none of these so called issues. I'm getting really bored of all the comments in the g5 forum, no other forum on this site has to deal with all these comparisons. I don't understand why people that don't even have the phone come here on a daily basis, you prefer the s7 then go, if your holding out for etc m10 then leave. I personally love mine. The only issue I have with this phone at the moment is this forum, you come here for help and all you get it BS.

I'm not sure what the deal is either. The media seems to be running with the "this phone is a mess" story for whatever reason. Could the phone use some more refinement? Can they fix some manufacturing and QC issues? Sure, but it seems they're throwing out a really great combination of hardware and features for no good reason that I can determine. Perhaps the preview models were noticeably worse than production? It's also seems to be random things... Nexus 6P has large sensor bar on back, gloss over it. LG G5 has large sensor bar on back, "goodness the design is terrible". It's just weird. I'm also of the opinion that the rough chamfer is intentional for grip, not a QC issue. Would be interesting to hear LG"s take on that just like their explanation of the microdized finish which allowed them to get rid of the antenna bars. People keep using terms like half baked or not thought out but when you hear from the design team it sounds like that isn't close to being the truth. I can get why some folks might not agree with their choices but I'm not sure about the overall panning that seems to be going on. They're using their own patented aluminum for the phone for goodness' sake, who else is developing their own proprietary materials? I dunno, I guess I'm just in the minority on this one for whatever reason.

mrenzo said:
Had mine for a few days now and I have none of these so called issues. I'm getting really bored of all the comments in the g5 forum, no other forum on this site has to deal with all these comparisons. I don't understand why people that don't even have the phone come here on a daily basis, you prefer the s7 then go, if your holding out for etc m10 then leave. I personally love mine. The only issue I have with this phone at the moment is this forum, you come here for help and all you get it BS.
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Right? You'd think you were on xda-fashionistas with all the whining about how the phone looks/feels compared to x, y, or z. I thought this forum was supposed to be about development and had a technical lean, but it seems like more than half the people here are either trying to start arguments about why they prefer the S7 or complaining about how their 9th trade-in phone has a sub-millimeter gap with the removable module.
Note: This is not an invitation for someone to come in and defend themselves about why they're upset about the primer/paint or the unnoticeable screen bleed. I bought a hand-held computer, not a purse. I came to this forum to talk about the phone functionality, not listen to people tell me that the phone I bought is inferior because of something that has nothing to do with how the phone functions.

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Note: This is not an invitation for someone to come in and defend themselves about why they're upset about the primer/paint or the unnoticeable screen bleed. I bought a hand-held computer, not a purse. I came to this forum to talk about the phone functionality, not listen to people tell me that the phone I bought is inferior because of something that has nothing to do with how the phone functions.
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Couldn't agree more.

toefurkey said:
I have to nitpick here (sorry!). If you lightly hold the button still as you shake the device, there is no noticeable sound. Yet there is certainly a sound from the shaken button and although I am not too familiar with the OIS sensor (I think it has something to do with correcting shaky hands like mine ruining photos?), I am quite sure it is not located in the power button.
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Sorry to double post... But yes, you are correct. Just tested this on mine. I still have to say tho... It's not as big a deal as many are making it out to be.

I just got my pink G5 yesterday, was at the shop and been through 3 units, first one had the silver line missing underneath the release hatch or scratched off, unit 2 soft white color burn on the screen when all color showing using a test app, on the unit 3, found a small dint just right at the edge between the main unit and battery adapter, but kept it, and didn't care about it as it isn't really noticable unless you really look close, it also has the light bleed when I checked this in a dark room, I have 14 days to return it, if i decide to, but yeh they all have minor problem, this isn't just LG, and i'm very picky but decide to keep the 3rd unit, it's solid built, works well and I really like it.
If people are have problems with their unit and can't accept it, exchange it or get a different phone, no one is forcing you to keep it.

I haven't had the gap issue and just went into the bathroom, no light bleed. Maybe there is a QC problem and I got a solid one? I'm not complaining. I know I'll have the monthly security update in six months while S7 people are still on June.

I'm surprised that the complain threads are allowed to go on. It not only hurts the site,it hurts the company that made the phones. I think some of the writers that review these phones are abusing their power and becoming a bit reckless.
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same here, this phone is dope. had the g2 then the g4 now this and havent really been disappointed with any of them. got used to ux 5 pretty quick. not in any rush to root stock feels so smooth once set up. ability to disable the bloat apps is cool. wide angle camera is super cool and the fingerprint scanner is actually really fast idk why people keep mentioning it being slow in reviews.

The clicky power button is annoying, but i'm trying not to use it. The chin gap worries me when it comes to water. Mainly though, people are just too picky.

Jonathan-H said:
The clicky power button is annoying, but i'm trying not to use it. The chin gap worries me when it comes to water. Mainly though, people are just too picky.
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A bit of rain or a splash here and there probably won't be a concern, even with the design of this phone. There's a video out of someone putting it in a sink full of water for 2 minutes and it survives just fine. I would not advise taking it in the shower or pool tho.

I for one love my G5. Started with the G2, fell in love with the rear buttons, migrated briefly to the Nexus 5X (couldn't live without Knock features and rear buttons), and now to the G5.
The G5 is really an evolution of the Nexus 5X, they are almost identical in physical size, except the fingerprint scanner is a smaller diameter, which is the cause of the semi-flakiness. It's too easy to just mash your finger across the sensor and miss the portion that got 'enrolled'. This can be addressed by enrolling your finger multiple times to get a larger portion of your finger tip, I've also found that my phone case helps guide just the tip of your finger to the scanner which greatly increases reliability!
It seems the G5 has been held to a different review standard than other devices due to its modularity. Instead of reviewing the G5 on its own merits plus cool potential for modules, it has been mostly reviewed on the merits of its lack luster existing modules and the weak stock launcher missing an app drawer. If I reviewed a new laptop I wouldn't judge it based on the available accessories, that would be ridiculous! The device reviews should stand on their own, anything else is just a cherry on top.
I don't see anyone mentioning the great call quality, the fantastic signal strength, and hardly any mention of the IR blaster! That thing is so useful - you can change TV channels at the gym, in hospitals, or on your couch if you can't reach the remote. Plus we have USB-C, I can't tell you how great a reversible connector is - no more fumbling at night trying to plug in, got used to this on the NX5 and won't go back.
Here are the main gripes summarized so we can see how ridiculously picky these are -
Light bleed (I would never have even known if I hadn't downloaded a specific app to test this!)
Finger print scanner flaky (see above, this is a non-issue)
Build quality issues (no doubt these do exist in some form or another on every device! my phone is fine)
Missing app drawer (use a 3rd party launcher or Home 4.0 from smart world)
Aesthetic (do you use a case?)
By the way, if you boost the DPI of your screen through ADB the usage experience gets much better! Mine is set to 540.

I think people have been too hard on this phone too, honestly. I just got it today and am pleased I have no chin gap, screen bleed, ECT.
Coming from the "Lagaxy S6" that I got on release because they promised me that the battery and performance would be the best thing since Jesus walked the earth was an absolute lie. I have never owned a phone with more horrible screen on and stand by time in my entire life. It was smooth for the first couple weeks and the usual lag came back (their apologists will never admit it and claim its been fixed) as well as the horrible RAM management fiasco.
Oh my god, what a joy to have a speedy keyboard, a fast messaging app, a phone that actually doesn't chew endless percentage points off my battery with the screen off, and apps still being in memory after a few minutes, I am in heaven. Oh and the spare battery module is nice, as well as the IR blaster someone else mentioned above. I was going to get the HTC 10 but after AndroidCentrals guys kept saying the battery really wasn't special I knew what j needed to do.
Thank you LG, you saved me from a year of absolute hell.

I too think the complaints are a bit too much. G2 , G3, and now G5 user. Haven't found even one negative so far with the G5. Love it!
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cigman said:
I too think the complaints are a bit too much. G2 , G3, and now G5 user. Haven't found even one negative so far with the G5. Love it!
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Yep, I have not had any of the app crashes, LED bleeding, major chin issues ect that others have mentioned. This has honestly been my best battery life phone since the Galaxy S2 FIVE YEARS AGO. That is insane and quite telling to me, I am glad LG got this right. This is the first LG phone I have ever owned and it makes me wish I had tried their other offerings in the past, I may have been much happier. Once I get my other battery I will slap it in after work at 100% and likely will never have to worry about running out of battery again. I hope LG keeps up this trend because there are definitely a lot of us here who appreciate them being one of the last major flagship carriers to offer this feature.
Speaking of removal battery, I remember how people were literally foaming at the mouth at the loss of such features in other flagships, yet LG listened to smartphone enthusiasts and gave them more options than most other manufacturers. They definitely deserve way more credit for giving the consumer options.

I have never cared for a device's design and I'm not going to start now.
I do think the paint thingy is a good idea in order to hide the antenna lines but it seems to come off very easily, so a case would be mandatory.
Secondly, there are some QC issues across the board when it comes to the paint thingy, light bleeding out the screen, and a variable gap size where the module clips.
When you take into consideration that these days design is (almost) everything, hence the build quality, there's the rant about the G5. In all fairness, if similar issues would have arisen, Samsung or Apple would have also taken a beating.
That being said, even if I would receive a perfectly well built G5, I would still be semi disappointed :
- no camera improvement in low light situations (lights bleeding), although it is still one of the top performers
- no manual controls over filming while is was possible on the V10, why? It is clearly entirely possible since it seems to be a software development choice. I don't get it, LG says the G5 takes after the V10 but it lacks a native high quality DAC (the module is somewhat expensive and not available everywhere) and video manual controls
- this is a killer, only 32 gigs (same base storage since the G2 of old) of internal storage with no possibility to move apps the the SD card nor to convert the SD card into adoptable storage (though I would do it with ADB)
Even if it was possible natively to convert the SD card into adoptable storage, some apps like Spotify would then download everything directly to the small internal storage. I don't know why storage hasn't become a massive issue yet when you consider that OS (and skins like the LG UI), apps and photos aren't getting smaller anytime soon !
On the other hand, I love the secondary wide lens, but I fear it would be too much work to enjoy the G5 as it is. I am already juggling with different storage spaces with my G4 (internal, 128 gigs SD card, cloud and external (backups on my PC)). I need a lot of stuff offline since I'm travelling abroad quite a bit, so streaming content (Google photos, Spotify) is not always an available option.
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BR7fan said:
I'm surprised that the complain threads are allowed to go on. It not only hurts the site,it hurts the company that made the phones. I think some of the writers that review these phones are abusing their power and becoming a bit reckless.
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Im even more surprised that this trend of starting threads to actively discredit people with legitimate issues is being allowed at all. When people have issues with a device IT SHOULD HURT THE COMPANY. Treating a massive multi billion dollar world wide corporation like its some sort of tiny start up charity is ridiculous.
You dont want the forum having complaints because it hurts the community somehow? From where im sitting what hurts the community is misleading ignorant crap like what the OP is trying to pull. Trying to convince people nothing is wrong in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is harmful to a community, only further hurts the reputation of the phone further. What do you think will happen when someone reads a thread like this and goes to buy the phone and finds out all the things he read where true? There goes the credibility of the community just because of some goofy ass notion that a device needs defended from itself.
Screen bleed: This is bound to happen with most all LCD devices. Even your LCD television will have this issue if the room and screen are dark enough. Some of you that have posted pictures do in fact have a relevant reason for return as it is pretty bad. But also, some of you are just being entirely too picky.
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OK find us another flagship phone with LCD screens that had even remotely close to this much backlight bleeding. Ill wait.
Didnt have that issue with my HTC one m8 or my Sony z3v. Dont have that issue with my gaming monitors either. QUALITY LCD panels DO NOT have noticeable backlight bleed. Its a staple of cheap poorly made budget panels.
AUX audio noise: This device is native 24bit lossless at 192kHz... MOST of the "cheap" aux cables you buy at the store just don't have the quality wiring inside that you need for this device, and will give you the audio hiss. You're gonna want something that is Audiophile grade (this just simply means high quality), with a thicker wire, better connectors, etc. The basic run of the mill cables just aren't gonna cut it with this device. I ended up going with THIS cable, and my hiss went away. (Your results may vary)
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Not even remotely close to true at all. The fact that you think the onboard snapdragon DAC is audiophile grade is cute but wildly incorrect. The fact that you think cables can cause this issue is even more incorrect. You dont need any sort of special size for headphone cables to be high quality thats just plain ignorance. We are talking tiny amounts of power not some 1200 watt amp powering 2 OHM subs. Go look at audiophile grade IEMs they dont run large cables at all. Your defense is flat out wrong, what causes that hiss is a number of things but nearly all would be internal. Poor internal shielding, defects in the amp etc. Cables are not going to cause this unless they are cut, or flat out defective.
Also, as a side note lossless would be your music files not the DAC, no special cables are required for higher quality audio and 9 times out of 10 that "thicker high grade" cable is just plastic and crap with the exact same amount of copper as the tiny ****.
Chin gap never bothered me so ill leave that.
The clicky power button: Really people? It's a click style power button to begin with. While I will agree the button cap (the part we actually see) could be a bit better than what it is, why is this even a quality complaint? Those of you that are shaking your phone in a silent room and "hearing" the button move are probably mistaken. While the button does have minuscule movement to it, what you are actually hearing is the OIS sensor moving. It's supposed to if you shake the phone.
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There is an issue at play here where the outer part of the button with the fingerprint sensor is coming unglued from the rest of it. Then its a matter of time before it moves the wrong way and you lose the fingerprint scanner altogether Thats the main reason you see people complaining and returning them because of the power button. The guy at my verizon store said thats the main reason he sees them coming back.
This notion that because you like the phone that you should stick your head in the sand and ignore the issues it has while trying to discredit anyone with actual issues is stupid. So is this mentality that people shouldnt be allowed to discuss said issues here. Just because you like the phone dont mean you get to sweep away all the negative attention its getting and pretend its all unicorns and rainbows in G5 land.

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Im even more surprised that this trend of starting threads to actively discredit people with legitimate issues is being allowed at all. When people have issues with a device IT SHOULD HURT THE COMPANY. Treating a massive multi billion dollar world wide corporation like its some sort of tiny start up charity is ridiculous.
You dont want the forum having complaints because it hurts the community somehow? From where im sitting what hurts the community is misleading ignorant crap like what the OP is trying to pull. Trying to convince people nothing is wrong in spite of the overwhelming evidence to the contrary is harmful to a community, only further hurts the reputation of the phone further. What do you think will happen when someone reads a thread like this and goes to buy the phone and finds out all the things he read where true? There goes the credibility of the community just because of some goofy ass notion that a device needs defended from itself.
OK find us another flagship phone with LCD screens that had even remotely close to this much backlight bleeding. Ill wait.
Didnt have that issue with my HTC one m8 or my Sony z3v. Dont have that issue with my gaming monitors either. QUALITY LCD panels DO NOT have noticeable backlight bleed. Its a staple of cheap poorly made budget panels.
Not even remotely close to true at all. The fact that you think the onboard snapdragon DAC is audiophile grade is cute but wildly incorrect. The fact that you think cables can cause this issue is even more incorrect. You dont need any sort of special size for headphone cables to be high quality thats just plain ignorance. We are talking tiny amounts of power not some 1200 watt amp powering 2 OHM subs. Go look at audiophile grade IEMs they dont run large cables at all. Your defense is flat out wrong, what causes that hiss is a number of things but nearly all would be internal. Poor internal shielding, defects in the amp etc. Cables are not going to cause this unless they are cut, or flat out defective.
Also, as a side note lossless would be your music files not the DAC, no special cables are required for higher quality audio and 9 times out of 10 that "thicker high grade" cable is just plastic and crap with the exact same amount of copper as the tiny ****.
Chin gap never bothered me so ill leave that.
There is an issue at play here where the outer part of the button with the fingerprint sensor is coming unglued from the rest of it. Then its a matter of time before it moves the wrong way and you lose the fingerprint scanner altogether Thats the main reason you see people complaining and returning them because of the power button. The guy at my verizon store said thats the main reason he sees them coming back.
This notion that because you like the phone that you should stick your head in the sand and ignore the issues it has while trying to discredit anyone with actual issues is stupid. So is this mentality that people shouldnt be allowed to discuss said issues here. Just because you like the phone dont mean you get to sweep away all the negative attention its getting and pretend its all unicorns and rainbows in G5 land.
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Well said, I had 3 replacements before i anally gave up and sent the phone back. This doesn't mean i didn't like the phone, i did, i really did but I am not going to pretend those issues dont exist and or will not arise in the future.
I want a device that is future proof not only in terms of performance but build quality. A blazing fast CPU is of no use if you dont have a working button to turn the phone on or off.

The pixel is not actually over priced!

at first I was very upset for the price of the pixel and although I got a great deal on this phone (580$).
I honestly think that this phone is worth 750$ for the right consumer.
this is why I think is not over priced. I owned a bunch of smartphones including all the latest flagships, s7edge.note7,one plus3, lg v20, nexus, 6p, iPhone 7, and many more. and one thing I noticed that everyone says the pixel doesn't offer much for its price. example it doesn't have a dual edge, or a 2nd screen at the top, is not water resistant, doesn't have ir blaster, or dual front facing speakers. people feel like they are paying for just a plain basic phone! which is correct! on mys s7edge I ended up hating the stupid edge screen accidental touches were becoming a norm. the edge panel is turned off by majority of users so other than esthetics imo is useless, lg v20 2nd display yes is convenient and pretty cool but the only major used I have is to use the torch, most of the times I still landlocked the phone to do task that I could of done from the 2bd display. plus is very inconvenient is placed all the way at the top and the lg v20 is not a small phone.
to summarize this the pixel is a plain android phone without any useless gimmicks that other manufactures are using. could they have added a few more features. yes perhaps water resistant and dual front facing speakers would have been nice. but just the fluid pure android experience on this phone defiantly makes it worth its premium price.
again this is personal my opinion and I would enjoy to see what you guys think after owning the pixel!

Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.

AndrasLOHF said:
Every phone is missing something. From Samsung missing proper long term updates, iPhone missing some hardware features, to Pixel missing hardware features. It's up to the consumer to decide which checkboxes are more important. I think all the hate on the phone comes from people expecting the Pixel to check off every box a consumer would want at the same price point the competition is at, even though they are all missing something as well. Business doesn't work that way.
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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?

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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper

razor237 said:
That's they only thing I would have really liked never really cared for bottom frieing speakers, waterproofing would have been cool ... And maybe a physical home button but I know that's not really a feature many care about .... None of which takes away from it being a nice phone ..... I think all phones are a bit over priced lol, price is subject anyway the only person who needs to worry about it is the one who's buying it and if it's too much they have the choice to get something cheaper
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I personallt prefer on screen buttons rather than hardware. people say you get more screen real state but I I actually enjoy the on screen better. although my biggest let down was the two speakers which I feel like they should have put there. other than that the phone is just what I wanted. stock, and lighting fast!

I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.

robber said:
I mostly agree, this phone performs like no other. It should be 64gb base storage however.
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oh yes that's a big one!! DEFINETLY base should of been 64GB..
but Google is smart most people went 128GBB which is exactly what they hoped for.. I believe that's why they limited the base model to 32GB and try to make up with unlimited storage.

You forgot no sd card slot which pretty much the only other flagship phone that also does not have one is iphone. Also you forgot about no OIS which is one thing a lot of people were upset about.
My biggest things for me is no sd card slot, and a one single mono speaker, not just that its not dual front speakers, that it is just only one speaker. They could have made the audio a lot better if they copied the Htc 10 boomsound dual speakers which are not front facing but they sound a lot better than the pixel xl's single speaker.
I never would have paid full price for my 32 gig pixel xl, well actually I did but I got a $200 best buy gift card in the deal, and a free chromecast yes lol woo hoo a free old model chromecast when the new 4k version is out already lol.

I wanted a pixel, it's the best android smartphone period. I am using iPhone 7 Plus for about 3 weeks now, and I love it, It's worth the money, it offers tech, that no other competitors does yet, and even if they did, without google implementation it will suck. They should have started this year with a little bit lower price, considering the large unnecessary chin and all the other features they ignored. Next year with iPhone 8 google must really bring their A game.
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For me the premium price pays for all the tiny attention to detail points on the phone. I love all the little optimisations that culminate into the bigger picture. Custom CPU tuning with Qualcomm, camera ISP tweaks, touchscreen latency, fantastic build quality, in house developments like the insane video stabilisation and HDR+ all add up. Stereo speakers would've been great, it's the only thing I miss from the 6P but the down firing speaker works loud and clear and a worthwhile trade off for such a sleek performer.

Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.

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What hardware features is the pixel missing? front facing speakers?
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Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95

AndrasLOHF said:
Here is pretty much what it seems most people griping about the phone want.
A phone design of the ages.... absolutely flawless
Indestructible "premium" body that is light as a feather
Scratchproof shatterproof screen
Radios that reach the cosmos
The next version of the OS that isn't released yet before coders even know what they're coding
An OS that predicts your every move
Absolutely zero manufacturing tolerances
Next year's internals
Stereo speakers
THX wired and wireless audio from a phone
SD card
Removable battery
Fast Charging
Fast Wireless Charging
A phone so water and dustproof that even air can't permeate the body
Endless storage
A camera that rivals Hubble
......all for 4 easy payments of $19.95
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LOL BEST REPLY SO FAR. consumers will never be sastified..

CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
So many more things but I don't want to think about it because I'll just get upset at my phone again.
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bro if this are so important to you, you should honestly go get a LG v20.. why buy a phone that is aim for pure android experience. and although the pixel is not rated water resistant it holds up very well. as it was submerge in water for one hour and it was fully functional at the end. and I never used the ir blaster I rather buy a universal remote.. when a phone tries to do too much it always fails at something and mostly is a lot bigger than what you gain.

I wanted a ****ty ass LG phone I would have bought one.

I don't think anybody is missing ois, especially anybody who has used the phone...
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I don't mind the price of $649/$749.
However, I do mind the big price hike in Canada... $899 for the 5" and $1049 for the 5.5"?
Come on

The 749 USD translates to 1003 cad right now so it's not that big of a price hike lol, the conversion just sucks right now lol
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CZ Eddie said:
Dude, it's very much overpriced.
It's missing sooo many hardware features that other phones have.
IR blaster for acting as a TV remote.
MicroSD for additional storage.
Water resistance of a decent nature.
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4x4 MIMO would have been nice for the money they're asking for.