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Update 9/22/10: Our 30FPS Saga has finally come to an end. HTC has released an OTA that officially uncaps the evo! HOORAY! To all of you who have contacted Sprint and HTC: THANK YOU! It made a difference.
If you are unrooted, simply go look for the update under your phone's settings.
If you are rooted and want to keep root, head over to developer section and download one of the many ROMs available with the latest OTA 3.29.651.5 .
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BREAKING Update 9/21/10: So after almost 4 months, it seems like HTC is finally set to release an update that will officially uncap our EVOs!
Can't reveal source - but here you go. Was sent to me a little bit ago.
Software Version: HTC - EVO 4G (A9292) - 3.29.651.5
Release Date: 9/22/2010
Update Method: Available OTA + Retail
Version History:
Calendar Event Edit Issue
Multiple Gmail Account Sync
30 FPS uncapped
GPS Reboot
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The update will supposedly be released tomorrow. Will update this post when/if it happens.
Sources: SDX-Developers, PPCGeeks
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Update 6/14/10: Got a call from Dan Hesse's Office(CEO). Here's what happened:
1. Sprint has reached out to HTC about this issue. They acknowledge the problem and said they are working on a Firmware update that will address this. However, they could not give us an exact time frame.
2. The engineer at HTC encouraged us to go to HTC support and send emails to them about this issue so it gets more attention internally, and hopefully speed things up.
Also, I asked her to relay a message to Dan Hesse, Saying that this might not seem like a big deal at first, but it is in fact a huge one. Customers, especially those coming from an iPhone, expect their phones to "just work", and even if they don't notice it at first, that 30fps cap will get them frustrated at some point, and they will erroneously attribute it to developer, the phone or Sprint, hurting everyone in the process.
She also said Sprint wants this resolved, but they are pretty much at HTC's mercy right now.
Alright boys and girls, it's time to bother HTC!
Visit HTC support here:
http://www.htc.com/us/support/e-mail
and send your Email to them.
At this time I would advise against sending "template" emails because once they start receiving several of the same they can just filter them out. Remember, they are a huge company, they have the tools. Speak with your heart this time.
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Update 6/12/10: Check out the end of this post. Help us contact HTC and Sprint about this issue. Even if you don't own an Evo. HTC got away with it twice already. Let's at least make sure this issue is well known. Like a developer said:
This is like buying a brand new corvette and finding out it has a governor on it limiting it to 100 horsepower. If a car manufacturer did this, there would be a class action lawsuit instantaneously. Don't be shy guys, let the world know how you feel!
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Update 6/11/10: I got a response from one of Sprint's executive team. He has asked the product team to investigate and will follow up with me afterwards. Will keep you guys posted.
HTC is capping all graphics , 2D AND 3D, at only 30fps max. This is having a negative impact on the responsiveness of the system in general, and for developers that rely on real time game development.
See this:
http://groups.google.com/group/andr.../1f0bd2cccc047ac3?show_docid=1f0bd2cccc047ac3
And this:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=8942 Please star the issue on that page so more people, and hopefully htc, will be aware of the problem.
I have also tested this app:
http://www.typhon4android.org/androidbugs/droid2dtest-21/
When I run the app, "Clock FPS" is trying to push 60fps but it is limited by the display at 30hz, only to show 30fps max.
This also explains why the evo 4g is consistently getting terrible graphics benchmark scores. The Nexus One, despite having the same processor and gpu, is not affected by this problem.
Is this ever going to be fixed?
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zeuzinn said:
HTC is capping all graphics , 2D AND 3D, at only 30fps max. This is having a negative impact on the responsiveness of the system in general, and for developers that rely on real time game development.
See this:
http://groups.google.com/group/andr.../1f0bd2cccc047ac3?show_docid=1f0bd2cccc047ac3
And this:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=8942
I have also tested this app:
http://www.typhon4android.org/androidbugs/droid2dtest-21/
When I run the app, "Clock FPS" is trying to push 60fps but it is limited by the display at 30hz, only to show 30fps max.
This also explains why the evo 4g is consistently getting terrible graphics benchmark scores. The Nexus One, despite having the same processor and gpu, is not affected by this problem.
Is this ever going to be fixed?
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wow..... I should toss that app on froyo and try it.
No change with froyo... that's not good.
You say HTC is capping the framerate.. Is this a hardware cap, then? Meaning, do you see this on a rooted / custom rom? I'm using unrevoked for root, so I can't test..
Oh no. This is like the HTC tilt all over again with the graphics not living up to their potential.
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Could it have anything to do with the HDMI out? Maybe they're trying to sync to a framerate that their HDMI implementation can handle. Just guessing.
Well how fast can the screen refresh that's what the fps should be locked to
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BrianDigital said:
Well how fast can the screen refresh that's what the fps should be locked to
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Never heard of a lcd screen that can only do 30 fps
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npace said:
Never heard of a lcd screen that can only do 30 fps
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yeah me either but I have never bought a 4.3 inch lcd for my gaming rig
npace said:
No change with froyo... that's not good.
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Ack. Guess that means it's hardware-limited?
Shidell said:
Ack. Guess that means it's hardware-limited?
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I thought so too at first but then I did some googling. A similar thing happened to the Motorola Droid when they received the 2.1 update:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=7520
So, hopefully, it's a setting in the ROM somewhere...
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Ack. Guess that means it's hardware-limited?
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Remember, HTC makes the Nexus One too. I doubt it would be hardware, but that is strange.
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Watch the 2010 Google I/O game development talk.
It's difficult to fill an 800x480 screen at over 30fps.
coolbho3000 said:
Watch the 2010 Google I/O game development talk.
It's difficult to fill an 800x480 screen at over 30fps.
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Sorry, I dont buy it. Nexus one does it with nary a hiccup, and it has the same exact resolution, processor and gpu.
I can also confirm it's not the LCD that's limited-- When you flash the experimental Froyo rom, the Nexus One-style "X" boot screen animation is clearly running at 60fps. So it looks like this is happening at boot.
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Sorry, I dont buy it. Nexus one does it with nary a hiccup, and it has the same exact resolution, processor and gpu.
I can also confirm it's not the LCD that's limited-- When you flash the experimental Froyo rom, the Nexus One-style "X" boot loading screen animation is clearly running at 60fps. So it looks like this is happening at boot.
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nice that means that it must be in software. Hopefully if we can fix this we can also hack the HDMI to output at a higher fps
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I thought so too at first but then I did some googling. A similar thing happened to the Motorola Droid when they received the 2.1 update:
http://code.google.com/p/android/issues/detail?id=7520
So, hopefully, it's a setting in the ROM somewhere...
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True. The Droid had the same problem, except only 2d was affected. On the evo, ALL openGL is affected as well.
**** as long as Hulu.com and my phone rings text works I don't give a damn
gman8966 said:
Oh no. This is like the HTC tilt all over again with the graphics not living up to their potential.
Sent from my HTC Evo using tapatalk.
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NOOOO! This was the reason when I had my tilt that justified the switch to iphone 3g, Then I got a 3gs, and I swore to never buy another HTC product again because of the tilt and there lack of gpu drivers. I swear if that type of crap is going on again I'm returning my Evo and getting iphone 4. And I really like my evo!
HTC is really playing this game still? I went from my Tilt to my iPhone back to HTC and the Evo and now they are doing the same crap with the Tilt?
Eh.... Annoying.
I swore I'd never get anothet HTC phone after the Touch and Mogul...the EVO made a liar out of me...but maybe not for long.
check out sprints facebook page lol
LOL... This announcement would've been a success if it was made on April Fool's Day immediately followed by an EVO2 announcement.
PS. My name is HondaCop and I approve this message.
funny part is NONE of the facebook sprint people are made a post normally some says something wrong and BOOM 3 or 4 sprint people post defending ... NOTHING tonight lol
Link to page: ?
freeza said:
Link to page: ?
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http://www.facebook.com/sprint
get your zings in now I got three likes and comment in like three mins
Yep and check out the Youtube site. I don't like wishing bad on anyone but somebody needs taken to wood shed on this. I simply can't believe how horrible an idea this was.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zk7nf6TNHH4
I will agree that the Echo is a big disappointment, and I comment on sprints facebook that way.
After watching that youtube, (before that all I saw was the one pic showing off the huge hinge) the echo does look kinda cool. It's the processer, and the rest of the specs are weak.
Has anybody seen how much RAM/ROM it has? Also is that the second gen snapdragon, like the 800mhz one in the G2? The running two seperate screens at once is kinda cool.
Someone needs to be fired.
Drewmungus said:
I will agree that the Echo is a big disappointment, and I comment on sprints facebook that way.
After watching that youtube, (before that all I saw was the one pic showing off the huge hinge) the echo does look kinda cool. It's the processer, and the rest of the specs are weak.
Has anybody seen how much RAM/ROM it has? Also is that the second gen snapdragon, like the 800mhz one in the G2? The running two seperate screens at once is kinda cool.
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NVM, read it wrong
Epic fail in my book, Ill just keep my Evo until they release something worth upgrading to...
I find it hard to believe that there wasnt a handful of people at sprint that thought this was a terrible idea. I wonder it this was a one or two man mainshow as far as approval of the idea of the phone.
There is literally one or two positive comments amongst hundreds of borderline verbally "violent" comment against the Echo.
Makes you wonder if Dan just said "We are doing this phone, if you dont like it then your fired" or if the even did any market testing????
thenags said:
Someone needs to be fired.
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And blacklisted.
I hope they read everything on the web and not order too many of them, unless they need expensive paper weights in the office.
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Yeah, they got a lot of heat for this.
I'm switching to Verizon on Thursday (you know why!), but I was still curious what this "magic" announcement is going to be.
EPIC FAIL SPRINT!
fast2049 said:
Epic fail in my book, Ill just keep my Evo until they release something worth upgrading to...
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+10,000,000
Seriously? This is what Sprint got all excited about. A single screen dual core phone would have been much, much more exciting.
I think Kyocera makes the best music....listen to the song they have on the youtube ad....It's great! I feel like I'm back in the '80s!
im pretty sure majority of sprint agreed that it was a failure, but kyocera pushed money and persuasion into this event.... im willing to bet sprint wanted nothing to do with this phone and kyocera paid for the event, not sprint.
So was this the equivalent of being rick rolled by sprint? I never expected to get trolled by my own phone company, they should know its bad business to play with peoples emotions when you are trying to get money from them.
But then again this is the same company who called the epic, well, the epic.
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i had to rick roll myself after seeing that
http://twitter.com/#!/htc
By June the 15th .
Great device with a promised unlocked bootloader. Will YOU be getting it?
Abu-7abash said:
http://twitter.com/#!/htc
By June the 15th .
Great device with a promised unlocked bootloader. Will YOU be getting it?
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Promised unlocked bootloader? Where did you find this?
iCaptivate said:
Promised unlocked bootloader? Where did you find this?
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HTC's CEO or sth tweeted it too.
Abu-7abash said:
HTC's CEO or sth tweeted it too.
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I saw that on HTC's twitter. But the Sensation has a locked bootloader so far. I don't see why it would be different for T Mo.
iCaptivate said:
I saw that on HTC's twitter. But the Sensation has a locked bootloader so far. I don't see why it would be different for T Mo.
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Here. Apparently it was on Facebook not twitter.
im a samsung fan myself, so i will be passing on this for hercules or sgs2! but it looks nice except for the low ram
Damn, watched the video, and HTC really knows how to make videos for their phones.
I'll be getting this, since it's a freaking amazing phone. I hope the SGS2 comes to T-Mobile, but if it isn't, this phone is JUST as good.
This will have a locked bootloader. Hopefully HTC issues an update that unlocks it in future. Phone has good specs but nothing great, engadget wasn't too impressed by screen, camera or sound....
VICosPhi said:
This will have a locked bootloader. Hopefully HTC issues an update that unlocks it in future. Phone has good specs but nothing great, engadget wasn't too impressed by screen, camera or sound....
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God knows Engadget is completely fair and unbiased towards Android phones.
speaking of Engadget..
LINKKKK
I still like the SGSii more even though its taking longer to release.
Buttttt I'm honestly thinking of waiting until the Quad-core Kal El phones come out. they are insannneeee
LINKKKKK for that
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God knows Engadget is completely fair and unbiased towards Android phones.
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they really liked the sgs2. but, yeah, overall an android phone will probably never get a 10/10 from them.
How is this related to the Samsung Vibrant?
Like others mentioned HTC CEO did infact say that they listend to customer complaints, and they will no longer lock the bootloader in their phones. I think the Sensation was already manufactured when he made that comment, so hopefully Sensation owners will get an update to unlock.
However, my question is. Why was this thread made? What does this have to do with the Samsung Vibrant?
SamsungVibrant said:
However, my question is. Why was this thread made? What does this have to do with the Samsung Vibrant?
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...cause the OP wanted to troll to see how many people would dump their Vibrant in favor of a new sexy piece of hardware when it comes out?
i for one will wait for the SGS2 or Herc.
which screen looks better, SGS2 with a superior screen technology but lower resolution, or Sensation with higher screen resolution but inferior screen technology?
Talked to T-Mobile today and I qualify for early upgrade discount in two months, going to see what people think about the HTC Sensation and I'll likely be upgrading to that once the time comes.
J3ST3RM4A3 said:
Talked to T-Mobile today and I qualify for early upgrade discount in two months, going to see what people think about the HTC Sensation and I'll likely be upgrading to that once the time comes.
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its already out in europe. there is already a sensation section in the forum.
For anyone who who doesn't get around the forums much, here are some updates on the current status of the M9...
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=59539032&postcount=22046
https://twitter.com/LlabTooFeR/status/578459823643238400?s=09
- Adam
Great！Can't wait to see the reviews
Oh darn. Was enjoying the drama.
The other problems with the phone probably won't be fixed, but they won't receive much attention.
Applesexual said:
Oh darn. Was enjoying the drama.
The other problems with the phone probably won't be fixed, but they won't receive much attention.
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Obvious troll bait is obvious. Either contribute constructively or don't post.
We can enforce the latter.
Excellent news. I was a little worried.
Just saw this on Twitter. Figured I'd share if anyone hasn't seen this reply yet.
Hopefully that's true -9 -10C...
But I hope it's not performance related, like clocking cpu lower when it gets warmer
I am already using the update. Hasn't impacted performance at all.
limestar said:
I am already using the update. Hasn't impacted performance at all.
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And photo's better?
Great news thanks for sharing...
Applesexual said:
Oh darn. Was enjoying the drama.
The other problems with the phone probably won't be fixed, but they won't receive much attention.
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Your continuous trolls across all the threads have reached an entirely new level of humour. In fact, I have never seen a troll try so hard, this is hilarious. Can't wait for a mod to ban you
limestar said:
I am already using the update. Hasn't impacted performance at all.
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Same here. Definitely running cooler.
My name is Harold and I'm a flashaholic.....
hgoldner said:
Same here. Definitely running cooler.
My name is Harold and I'm a flashaholic.....
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Any change on camera quality?
fernando sor said:
Any change on camera quality?
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You know, the weather in the east coast has been so dreadful, I haven't gotten out much to shoot. (And we just got 4" of first day of Spring snow).
Hopefully I will have more opportunities soon. Indoor shots are good. Selfies (which I really don't do) are great.
My name is Harold and I'm a flashaholic....
Can't tell on photos yet. I mostly take daytime photos which have been fine
In Taiwan, we got the 1st day sale already ;
and phone come with .14 newest baase;
more importantly is ..you know; the S-off, unlocked and rooted
Onepagebook said:
In Taiwan, we got the 1st day sale already ;
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Looking super sharp in that dark grey dot view love it, may I ask for some more pics - Adam
Common!
Now that the M9 is out in 2 countries already...Let's the reviews roll-on!
So we can stop saying bad (or good) stuff about some specs based on foggy previews
Onepagebook said:
In Taiwan, we got the 1st day sale already ;
and phone come with .14 newest baase;
more importantly is ..you know; the S-off, unlocked and rooted
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will be all s-off and unlocked
Onepagebook said:
In Taiwan, we got the 1st day sale already ;
and phone come with .14 newest baase;
more importantly is ..you know; the S-off, unlocked and rooted
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Those pics don't look legit.. "Download mode" is more of a sammy thing..
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Bought my G6 off a shady shop in Hong Kong, it runs hot like 40-75c all the time.
I checked using AIDA64 and wtf
Also used device info, same thing says 820
It has a warranty but no returns so I'm comfused
Hmm, mine is showing 821 MSM8996 Pro. But mine is H870.
Hardware Version Rev 1.1, max 2150MH per Core, this looks really like a 820, loool.
Maybe they really used the older CPU Version? What's going with LG, I don't get it ?
And the rest of the features match?
You may have just bought a counterfeit..
Post other screens of aida app, for see with my results
A counterfeit would rather be based on a cheap MediaTek SoC and a display with 1080p or less.
@[email protected] said:
Bought my G6 off a shady shop in Hong Kong, it runs hot like 40-75c all the time.
I checked using AIDA64 and wtf
Also used device info, same thing says 820
It has a warranty but no returns so I'm comfused
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Can you post pictures of the device itself?
MishaalRahman said:
Can you post pictures of the device itself?
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Sure LMAO I'm selling this **** anyway
Will post in a while
Damn what the hell? Is that real?
@[email protected] said:
Sure LMAO I'm selling this **** anyway
Will post in a while
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You have a rare prototype G6, sell it at high price..
Dejan Kruljac said:
You have a rare prototype G6, sell it at high price..
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I never thought of it that way..LG never said anything about it but I do suppose it is quite unique
Anyway here are the photos attached :cyclops:
@[email protected] said:
I never thought of it that way..LG never said anything about it but I do suppose it is quite unique
Anyway here are the photos attached :cyclops:
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It's a great phone, try to flash different firmware before selling, maybe just a bug in firmware.
Dejan Kruljac said:
It's a great phone, try to flash different firmware before selling, maybe just a bug in firmware.
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I'm selling this one to get another G6 haha
Love the camera and build <3
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I never thought of it that way..LG never said anything about it but I do suppose it is quite unique
Anyway here are the photos attached :cyclops:
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Its look like real, can you upload other screens of aida64, for compar other techs
coyot352 said:
Its look like real, can you upload other screens of aida64, for compar other techs
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Sure
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Sure
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Is there any software updates, check with LG Bridge. Your firmware is kind of old, and security patch from July last year...
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Sure
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I do not see anything abnormal, has by course the Snapdragon
Be this model is planned with this processor for this country, be it a model of pre-production, which seems to me possible considering the date of production inscribed on the stickers on the back of your g6 (march 2017
Your g6 is the korean version. The 64gb model is coming with sd820. The phone is legit. Trust me,there is no difference. In fact, i like your version better,due to higher storage capacity. Not to mention korean model already has oreo on tests and it will be the first to get it.
Smart phones, dumb people.
@kimitza is right, everything is OK, European/US versions have SD821, Korean ones have SD820. The difference is incredibly marginal to be honest. You won't feel it.
romcio47 said:
@kimitza is right, everything is OK, European/US versions have SD821, Korean ones have SD820. The difference is incredibly marginal to be honest. You won't feel it.
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That model should have 821 as well, as shown in LG's Korean website..
http://www.lge.co.kr/lgekor/product...cateId=0212&prdId=EPRD.317826#featureBtnsWrap
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Sure
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Dood you should blur your mac address fyi.