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I was really surprised to learn that LG don't have a bootloader unlocking service like even HTC have done and given that the LG never managed to unlock the bootloader, I'm quite surprised that there wasn't more of a community outcry. What is up with that? Have LG ever spoken of supporting the development community? Is it unlikely that we'll see it happen within the flagship lifetime of our device?
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sabret00the said:
I was really surprised to learn that LG don't have a bootloader unlocking service like even HTC have done and given that the LG never managed to unlock the bootloader, I'm quite surprised that there wasn't more of a community outcry. What is up with that? Have LG ever spoken of supporting the development community? Is it unlikely that we'll see it happen within the flagship lifetime of our device?
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whoa is this 100% correct? if that's the case I will strongly reconsider getting the G3 and will probably go for either M8 or Z2...
Well, coming from an LG Nexus 5, I can tell you that the development community is booming over there. But that's to be expected with a Nexus device. I'm planning on switching from the Nexus 5 to the G3 (ordered yesterday) in an effort to no longer sacrifice hardware in order to get the vanilla Android experience. These days I'd rather give up some of the software advantages in AOSP ROMs in order to get significantly better hardware.
Unfortunately, it's a sacrifice one way or another. And if you buy a phone such as the G3 you must do so expecting that the development for it will take significantly longer and will likely have less options. However, in my opinion the interface/features offered in the latest stock LG interfaces are quite improved and look/feel much better than the interfaces provided by other manufacturers. I don't think I'll have any issue using the stock interface with the LG for many months after coming from the previous 4 generations of Nexus devices.
The vanilla Android experience has gotten quite boring in my opinion and I welcome the features that will be available on LG's stock ROM.
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whoa is this 100% correct? if that's the case I will strongly reconsider getting the G3 and will probably go for either M8 or Z2...
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Sadly yes, it's something I should've looked into in the six months of waiting for this phone. But it's sadly the case. Even on the G2, they couldn't unlock the bootloader and instead had to bypass it.
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Well, coming from an LG Nexus 5, I can tell you that the development community is booming over there. But that's to be expected with a Nexus device. I'm planning on switching from the Nexus 5 to the G3 (ordered yesterday) in an effort to no longer sacrifice hardware in order to get the vanilla Android experience. These days I'd rather give up some of the software advantages in AOSP ROMs in order to get significantly better hardware.
Unfortunately, it's a sacrifice one way or another. And if you buy a phone such as the G3 you must do so expecting that the development for it will take significantly longer and will likely have less options. However, in my opinion the interface/features offered in the latest stock LG interfaces are quite improved and look/feel much better than the interfaces provided by other manufacturers. I don't think I'll have any issue using the stock interface with the LG for many months after coming from the previous 4 generations of Nexus devices.
The vanilla Android experience has gotten quite boring in my opinion and I welcome the features that will be available on LG's stock ROM.
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If you have the patience, I'd recommend waiting a little while to see if they announce a GPe of the G3. That could provide you with the best of both worlds.
Development will improve for sure - the phone has only been out less than a week (D855) with most people still not having received their devices yet and is not even released in the US. It seems the Korean models have shipped with an unlocked bootloader (from what I have heard) and as for the D855 no one has yet confirmed it a) it is locked and b) if it can be unlocked.
I have certainly not looked into it yet myself, although if it is locked, unlocking via any "hacking" method, is beyond my knowledge, someone smarter than me will have to tell us how to do that.
Give it time, development is always slow in the first month of a new device (unless its a nexus), and tends ot only pick up after release in the USA.
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If you have the patience, I'd recommend waiting a little while to see if they announce a GPe of the G3. That could provide you with the best of both worlds.
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Eh, if they release a GP edition G3 it will still pay to have this one because any AOSP ROMs for the GP edition will be quickly ported over to the non-GP edition anyway. I plan on keeping this phone but will also still be happy if they come out with a GP edition as well so we can get some AOSP source code up and running for this device.
And I'm not worried about the bootloader being locked. Someone ALWAYS finds a way to unlock it rather quickly these days.
Personally, my goal with this phone is to root it to get my DPI settings where I want them and get rid of any bloat that may cause the phone to slow down. If I can manage to accomplish those two things, I'll be happy (and it's already doable). My days of rooting, flashing ROMs, bricking, unbricking, and flashing more ROMs are over. At this point I just want a solid phone that works flawlessly.
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Development will improve for sure - the phone has only been out less than a week (D855) with most people still not having received their devices yet and is not even released in the US. It seems the Korean models have shipped with an unlocked bootloader (from what I have heard) and as for the D855 no one has yet confirmed it a) it is locked and b) if it can be unlocked.
I have certainly not looked into it yet myself, although if it is locked, unlocking via any "hacking" method, is beyond my knowledge, someone smarter than me will have to tell us how to do that.
Give it time, development is always slow in the first month of a new device (unless its a nexus), and tends ot only pick up after release in the USA.
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I'm not so much talking about from the community side, I have faith the community will find an unlock or bypass method. I'm more so talking about from LG's point of view. They don't seem to be supportive hence no official channel to unlock the G2 bootloader despite the G3 launching globally this week.
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I'm not so much talking about from the community side, I have faith the community will find an unlock or bypass method. I'm more so talking about from LG's point of view. They don't seem to be supportive hence no official channel to unlock the G2 bootloader despite the G3 launching globally this week.
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Remember it took years to get HTC to provide an unlock tool (and the company nearly going bankrupt!), Moto and Sony were the same - moto becoming better when Google acquired them and Sony nearly gave up making android devices completely before they decided to become more dev friendly.
Basically companies only provide unlock methods as a last resort, when they feel its the only way to improve their sales. LG haven't needed this yet.
There are still plenty of devices where you cannot officially unlock the bootloader, its not just an LG thing.
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Remember it took years to get HTC to provide an unlock tool (and the company nearly going bankrupt!), Moto and Sony were the same - moto becoming better when Google acquired them and Sony nearly gave up making android devices completely before they decided to become more dev friendly.
Basically companies only provide unlock methods as a last resort, when they feel its the only way to improve their sales. LG haven't needed this yet.
There are still plenty of devices where you cannot officially unlock the bootloader, its not just an LG thing.
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I totally hear you, but with the success Sony have enjoyed, you'd hope manufacturers would get involved early on.
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and as for the D855 no one has yet confirmed it a) it is locked and b) if it can be unlocked.
I have certainly not looked into it yet myself, although if it is locked, unlocking via any "hacking" method, is beyond my knowledge, someone smarter than me will have to tell us how to do that.
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Is this something that is easy to check?
Dubhar said:
Is this something that is easy to check?
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I can't even access the bootloader. Despite turning USB debugging on, I can't get ADB to recognise the phone. I started a thread to check if others have a similar problem.
It's a flagship, I'm not worried about development support. Look at the g2, it got cm support. Plus the LG software looks decent, not too basic like HTC or too intrusive like Samsungs touchwiz
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I can't even access the bootloader. Despite turning USB debugging on, I can't get ADB to recognise the phone. I started a thread to check if others have a similar problem.
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I rooted D855 yesterday using ioroot and as a part of the process "adb devices" did show the phone with USB debugging on.
I had to install lg unified driver so windows 8 had a right driver for it.
Heisenberg420 said:
It's a flagship, I'm not worried about development support. Look at the g2, it got cm support. Plus the LG software looks decent, not too basic like HTC or too intrusive like Samsungs touchwiz
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This thread is about development support from LG. Please read threads before commenting. The G2 you mentioned was given as an example of the lack of support previously provided by LG.
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I rooted D855 yesterday using ioroot and as a part of the process "adb devices" did show the phone with USB debugging on.
I had to install lg unified driver so windows 8 had a right driver for it.
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Perhaps I need to update my drivers then. Though that's nearly unheard of as I'm on Linux.
If i can atleast root the phone to remove the bloatware, I'll be happy for a little while.
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This thread is about development support from LG. Please read threads before commenting. The G2 you mentioned was given as an example of the lack of support previously provided by LG.
Perhaps I need to update my drivers then. Though that's nearly unheard of as I'm on Linux.
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Hm, i've not check on Linux yet, but it is recognised on windows with the right USB drivers installed. Maybe its lacking some udev rule to properly recognise the device?
The LGD855 boots into recovery with adb reboot recovery, but not the bootloader using adb reboot-bootloader its just reboots. I goes into download mode with power+volume up, that about all ive tried.
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If i can atleast root the phone to remove the bloatware, I'll be happy for a little while.
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towelroot worked.
on Win 7 by flashing sphinxrom for d855 and s,k,l :
when i was installing the lg driver, it installed the AndroidNet Sooner Single ADB Interface
i had to change it Android ADB Interface
what the hell the device just came out give it some time
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what the hell the device just came out give it some time
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What the hell can't you read & understand what OP has said or trying to say? (sorry no offence intended). He isn't talking about the support of the development community to this device(G3), which by the way will certainly pick up from what it is now, but he is talking about LG's support to the development community(being more developer friendly as Sony & HTC).
And even if we talk about how much active Android development this device(& it's variants) will see, then let me tell you that the development activity of this device will(probably) never be as much as you see with other flagship devices like HTC One(M7 & m8), that is because a) HTC is more developer friendly by letting you to unlock the bootloader & thus making easy for developers to port(make) ROMs, recoveries & what not, where as with LG & G2 it is entirely different case(ask any developer involved in G2 development, how difficult it is or was to make a recovery or a ROM for G2 and for common flahers the risk factor of flashing those recoveries & ROMs that much more because all the solutions based on a bypassing solution with many permutations & combinations rather than a fully unlockable bootloader just as with HTC devices and b) they are more popular devices among people(as much successful the G2 was it wasn't sold as many as S4s & S5s or M7s & M8s).
We all hope that LG will follow HTC & Sony in being developer frienly. No doubt they are making beautiful devices like G2 & now G3. But sadly, as one of other member pointed out above, it is at the stage of extinction that a manufacturer tend to be more friendly with developer community.
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What the hell can't you read & understand what OP has said or trying to say? (sorry no offence intended). He isn't talking about the support of the development community to this device(G3), which by the way will certainly pick up from what it is now, but he is talking about LG's support to the development community(being more developer friendly as Sony & HTC).
And even if we talk about how much active Android development this device(& it's variants) will see, then let me tell you that the development activity of this device will(probably) never be as much as you see with other flagship devices like HTC One(M7 & m8), that is because a) HTC is more developer friendly by letting you to unlock the bootloader & thus making easy for developers to port(make) ROMs, recoveries & what not, where as with LG & G2 it is entirely different case(ask any developer involved in G2 development, how difficult it is or was to make a recovery or a ROM for G2 and for common flahers the risk factor of flashing those recoveries & ROMs that much more because all the solutions based on a bypassing solution with many permutations & combinations rather than a fully unlockable bootloader just as with HTC devices and b) they are more popular devices among people(as much successful the G2 was it wasn't sold as many as S4s & S5s or M7s & M8s).
We all hope that LG will follow HTC & Sony in being developer frienly. No doubt they are making beautiful devices like G2 & now G3. But sadly, as one of other member pointed out above, it is at the stage of extinction that a manufacturer tend to be more friendly with developer community.
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i am Guilty of not reading the whole Thread
I have never unlocked a device bootloader before so I am trying to get a little more knowledgeable on the topic. For this device, other than allowing it to be rooted, what advantages are there to unlocking the bootloader? Does it make the device harder to brick? Obviously it allows the installation of custom ROMS. For those that want to keep it stock, but want to root, is there any advantages to them having an unlocked bootloader? Thanks in advance for any advice.
For myself, its a no brainer. I use the xposed framework for minor tweaks and mods on the stock build. And just as well, I use titanium backup to remove unwanted system apps that come pre installed, and roll back app updates that I don't see fit. Per ex. If an app updates and has ads or removes features, I usually roll it back. Normally I flash a custom ROM and kernel, but this phone performs so well stock, it only needed minor tweaking in my opinion. Just my .02, but I like to be in control of a device I spend my hard earned money on.
If certain basic options were included in stock, I wouldn't even root, as I really don't need it. Its the simple customization and tweaks that make it all worthwhile.
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In my opinion, an unlocked bootloader is awesome. For the fact that in the off chance that something gets corrupted, you can go into fastboot and flash whatever to try and fix it.
And rooting, as well. Because of all the advantages rooting offers.
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For myself, its a no brainer. I use the xposed framework for minor tweaks and mods on the stock build. And just as well, I use titanium backup to remove unwanted system apps that come pre installed, and roll back app updates that I don't see fit. Per ex. If an app updates and has ads or removes features, I usually roll it back. Normally I flash a custom ROM and kernel, but this phone performs so well stock, it only needed minor tweaking in my opinion. Just my .02, but I like to be in control of a device I spend my hard earned money on.
If certain basic options were included in stock, I wouldn't even root, as I really don't need it. Its the simple customization and tweaks that make it all worthwhile.
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MrPandroid said:
In my opinion, an unlocked bootloader is awesome. For the fact that in the off chance that something gets corrupted, you can go into fastboot and flash whatever to try and fix it.
And rooting, as well. Because of all the advantages rooting offers.
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I totally agree with all of that. Before my Moto X arrived I was running a Galaxy S4 rooted with Hyperdrive ROM. I refused to take the Lollipop update because it would kill root and it was not again attainable, except for King Root. King Root is out of China and I'm not even gonna go there as to why I wouldn't use that. The S4 I had didn't have a bootloader that was unlockable so it was Safestrap Recovery with a root exploit that had me gaining control. It's ridiculous to me that we don't have control of our devices anyway. Verizon is terrible, that's why I bought this phone as it is unlockable and rootable on Lollipop, and it's carrier unlocked. So if Verizon ticks me off too much I can jump ship.
Another thing, if Moto voids your warranty due to bootloader unlock, are most folks going with Square Trade for protection purposes? I know Moto says they will still honor your claim if it's a hardware issue not related to software, but should I trust them?
You can always return the device to stock prior to sending it in. Did that with my nexus 6 for the battery issue. Just play it right, you can always say you were going to but never followed through with it. The bootloader screen tells all. Moto isn't Samsung with the flash counter.
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On my previous devices (mostly nexus's) it's a no-brainer, it allows me to use custom ROMs. But on the MXPE, I like the stock ROM and moto features. But I still unlocked in order to get rid of ads, that alone is worth it for me.
The way I see it, a phone is a pocket sized computer. Do you want to be a user or an admin? As a user, you can only do what the manufacturer has loaded on the phone and what they allow you to update. As an admin, you can install Windows 10 or roll it back to Windows 7 if you want. Want to try Linux? Go install it. The sky is the limit if you're the admin. That's sorta how it is to have an unlocked bootloader on a phone. If you're not comfortable changing anything with your phone or restoring it if something goes wrong, leave the bootloader locked.
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siralsmooth said:
You can always return the device to stock prior to sending it in. Did that with my nexus 6 for the battery issue. Just play it right, you can always say you were going to but never followed through with it. The bootloader screen tells all. Moto isn't Samsung with the flash counter.
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Were you able to unlock bootloader without going thru Motorola's process to get the unlock key? If not, they've recorded your serial number as unlocked.
All of the above are excellent points, so I won't rehash them, but the first thing that drives me to unlock and root with every phone and tablet I get, is Ads. Nothing bugs me more than popup ads. Unlock- Root -Adaway!
Also, there is a real sick visceral thrill to doing something stupid, bricking your phone and then suppressing panic to find a fix. When that unit boots back up ready to go - it's not better than sex, but it's pretty good.
mnlerer said:
All of the above are excellent points, so I won't rehash them, but the first thing that drives me to unlock and root with every phone and tablet I get, is Ads. Nothing bugs me more than popup ads. Unlock- Root -Adaway!
Also, there is a real sick visceral thrill to doing something stupid, bricking your phone and then suppressing panic to find a fix. When that unit boots back up ready to go - it's not better than sex, but it's pretty good.
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Couldn't take it any longer, it's unlocked, TWRP'ed, and rooted. I feel so much better now! I'm once again in control and have all my apps with data right where they should be.
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Welcome to the family. Lol
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I applaud Moto for allowing this. Had a Sammy Note 3 and had to jump through so many hoops just to get a rom on the thing, sideloading bs and all that and then can't go over a certain update or root is lost, etc. Glad I bought this MXPE and about two days after purchase, rooted and unlocked the BL. Felt great to be back in control. Now whatever comes down the pike I can put on, take off without a hesitation. Great phone....
Sporttster said:
I applaud Moto for allowing this. Had a Sammy Note 3 and had to jump through so many hoops just to get a rom on the thing, sideloading bs and all that and then can't go over a certain update or root is lost, etc. Glad I bought this MXPE and about two days after purchase, rooted and unlocked the BL. Felt great to be back in control. Now whatever comes down the pike I can put on, take off without a hesitation. Great phone....
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And you can flash forward as well. There's some info and files in the General section for a fully working MM rom. I'm holding off until someone accomplishes a modified kernel, which will allow it to be rooted.
But yea, I was a die hard Sammy guy up until the S5. It got harder and harder to root and I finally bought a Dev Edition Verizon S5. I wasn't going to fork out $6-800 on a Dev Note 4. And with the S6/N5 and up they took away removable batteries (not a deal breaker) and sd cards, which was the final stray. No removable battery, no sd card, no unlocked bootloader (for Verizon at least) = no Sammy!
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And you can flash forward as well. There's some info and files in the General section for a fully working MM rom. I'm holding off until someone accomplishes a modified kernel, which will allow it to be rooted.
But yea, I was a die hard Sammy guy up until the S5. It got harder and harder to root and I finally bought a Dev Edition Verizon S5. I wasn't going to fork out $6-800 on a Dev Note 4. And with the S6/N5 and up they took away removable batteries (not a deal breaker) and sd cards, which was the final stray. No removable battery, no sd card, no unlocked bootloader (for Verizon at least) = no Sammy!
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Yup, I was a Samsung guy too, until the changes you mentioned. I stuck with my S4 and even that would've lost root if I updated to Lollipop. So I kept rolling with KitKat until I bought the Moto X Pure. Now I'm back to Moto and hoping the next iteration of this device comes with an AMOLED display.
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Yup, I was a Samsung guy too, until the changes you mentioned. I stuck with my S4 and even that would've lost root if I updated to Lollipop. So I kept rolling with KitKat until I bought the Moto X Pure. Now I'm back to Moto and hoping the next iteration of this device comes with an AMOLED display.
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I couldn't be loyal that long lol. I've had almost every phone Verizon offers. The only ones I've been able to use for longer than a month or so are the S5, M8, G3, M9, G4, and now the MXP. I like the Nexus line but I have a 128 gb sd card so even 64gb of internal isn't nearly enough for me to use comfortably.
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So i would really like to root my LS997 (Sprint) LG V20, my only concern is there is no way back once rooted so if something happens to my phone and need to take it in the the store im pretty much screwed... so is it really worth rooting at this time without a way to go back to? Also would be the best way to root if i did decide to root this device (Link) would be greatly appreciated.. Thanks everyone!!
This is my 2 cents. I have previously rooted phones before as well as this phone, but I can't honestly say that I would recommend it. Don't get me wrong, the unlocking/rooting method (Dirty Santa) is straight forward and the support you get here on XDA is second to none, but if you're catious about not being able to go back to stock you may want to hesitate. You need to consider the pro's and con's and figure out for yourself what you want. I wanted to be able to reboot my phone without a static boot screen. I wanted to be able to update OTA the day the updates were available and to not rely on someone getting a clean update image, etc. I didn't see the benefit of the mods that are currently available, and the promise of getting all the stock LG apps to work on a Sprint phone is not 100% true. You can get some to work without root. There were several that still did not work (if that matters to you). Thankfully my phone glitched out and wouldn't boot, so Sprint offered me an exchange which I happily accepted. Let's just say that rooting on the Sprint variant is not for the faint of heart and you better not expect to need to send your phone in for any repairs as well. Bottom line, if it's your DD and you can't do without, I can't recommend rooting at this time. Just my 2 cents...
EDIT: For me to root again, I would need to have a bona fide working KDZ to return to stock and LineageOS to release an official ROM for LS997 that utilizes the second screen (I like it, so piss off, lol).
Ok so in a nut shell .. I should really just wait for a way to go back if needed ?
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Ok so in a nut shell .. I should really just wait for a way to go back if needed ?
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NO,
You need to accept two things.
1.) Currently if you root, you will not have a way to go back to FULLY stock and locked, but thats no fun anyways lol,
The real issue with this isn't going back to "stock" but having a "kdz" avalible for the recovery of a hard bricked device, or a soft brick that you cant understand how to fix. This is a restore img that you use a pc to push to phone to update, downgrade, or restore a lg phone, and sadly Sprint wont be releasing a kdz publicly, and its not coming so dont ask for a eta .
2.) The dreaded static on the bootup screen. We lack the developers on the Sprint/LG side of things that work on boot.img's,
This puts a ton of V20 users sprint and others in a bad spot. Where once ur rooted, you have static, and thats gonna ALWAYS be the case, unless you flash a AOSP rom like lineage. For this one, its just a nucence issue on reboots, its not really a issue for use, but man i can say I do miss having a custom boot animation on a reboot ( The static covers up the boot logo etc until you lock your screen)
The rest is regular root stuff. Some bugs etc. As far as getting LG apps back, and 2nd screen support..
The stock lg apps are back, and working as far as im aware. At-least on my rom ive brought back 99% of lgs apps that were gone, but some i didn't care to bring back. Like LG calculator and LG calendar. The Google replacement is better and more synchronization. But things like LG gallery and lg stock messages were things that should have never been pulled, and LG did in fact put them back on their G6. Smart move lg. There isn't any stock apps im aware of that wont come back at this stage.
2nd screen is proprietary, so unless devs build their own app using the 2nd screen code on lineage is stealing and xda wont accept that. So if ur leaving lgs softwear to flash a aosp rom you knew going into this that 2nd screen isnt a option, and if untimately your looking for pure android you should get the pixel xl or equivalent pure device.
There are some things with Encryption that could cause issues, mostly for those using some sort of high end email that checks your device security may not work, but thats going to be any rooted/unlocked device id say.
The statement : its not for the faint of heart: is kinda true. Rooting isn't for some, and you better be able to read/follow instrucions that are provided, and make sure you have a grasp before starting.
There is a ton of info on the site for users to read and digest as well as the V20 section has stayed pretty active with users and devs alike, myself being the latter. There's hope on the horizon for the above mentioned. Both KDZ and Static are works in progress, and unless a dev who is knowledgeable on these things comes over to the device its the same og team working towards perfection.
As far as OTA updates go, there are 0 devices on the market that get software updates from the manufacture after you have modified your system etc. This isnt just manufacture hating on the root, but also avoiding bricking ur custom device with a block update that is targeting files that are gone/moved/changed. So dont worry about ota updates as they are gonna break everywhere on anything that's rooted. The ota updates get pulled by devs, tested and implimented as fast as we can, but if you want the updates as the launch then dont root and accept the device as is. 99% of the time the bennifits of fixing / changing all the other things on the device to be delayed on a ota is worth it. Sprint is the 1st V20 to get onto the Feb Sec. Patch, all other carriers are still on Dec or older. But the update came for the sprint V20, and within 30days of it being live, weve managed to get the ota pushed to our rooted users and its working GREAT!
I can say 1 thing for sure, if you update your V20 to zv6 without being rooted 1st this debate is over anyways as it wont/cant be rooted anymore and the decision is gone to do so. But otherwise, theres a reason youve landed on xda, wondering about what the hype is about rooting etc, ill just leave a screenshot of my device here for looks. Im very proud of the work myself and the rest of the community has done. The device runs 10x faster and longer then the OEM;s software the released, and so many little bugs etc have been fixed also on our end to enhance it further. With the countless options to theme, customize and change ur device, the learning and experience itself is $$.
Ultimately, i vote to root the $H!T out of your phone, and worst case, get it replaced and do it again if you F it up!
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NO,
You need to accept two things.
1.) Currently if you root, you will not have a way to go back to FULLY stock and locked, but thats no fun anyways lol,
The real issue with this isn't going back to "stock" but having a "kdz" avalible for the recovery of a hard bricked device, or a soft brick that you cant understand how to fix. This is a restore img that you use a pc to push to phone to update, downgrade, or restore a lg phone, and sadly Sprint wont be releasing a kdz publicly, and its not coming so dont ask for a eta .
2.) The dreaded static on the bootup screen. We lack the developers on the Sprint/LG side of things that work on boot.img's,
This puts a ton of V20 users sprint and others in a bad spot. Where once ur rooted, you have static, and thats gonna ALWAYS be the case, unless you flash a AOSP rom like lineage. For this one, its just a nucence issue on reboots, its not really a issue for use, but man i can say I do miss having a custom boot animation on a reboot ( The static covers up the boot logo etc until you lock your screen)
The rest is regular root stuff. Some bugs etc. As far as getting LG apps back, and 2nd screen support..
The stock lg apps are back, and working as far as im aware. At-least on my rom ive brought back 99% of lgs apps that were gone, but some i didn't care to bring back. Like LG calculator and LG calendar. The Google replacement is better and more synchronization. But things like LG gallery and lg stock messages were things that should have never been pulled, and LG did in fact put them back on their G6. Smart move lg. There isn't any stock apps im aware of that wont come back at this stage.
2nd screen is proprietary, so unless devs build their own app using the 2nd screen code on lineage is stealing and xda wont accept that. So if ur leaving lgs softwear to flash a aosp rom you knew going into this that 2nd screen isnt a option, and if untimately your looking for pure android you should get the pixel xl or equivalent pure device.
There are some things with Encryption that could cause issues, mostly for those using some sort of high end email that checks your device security may not work, but thats going to be any rooted/unlocked device id say.
The statement : its not for the faint of heart: is kinda true. Rooting isn't for some, and you better be able to read/follow instrucions that are provided, and make sure you have a grasp before starting.
There is a ton of info on the site for users to read and digest as well as the V20 section has stayed pretty active with users and devs alike, myself being the latter. There's hope on the horizon for the above mentioned. Both KDZ and Static are works in progress, and unless a dev who is knowledgeable on these things comes over to the device its the same og team working towards perfection.
As far as OTA updates go, there are 0 devices on the market that get software updates from the manufacture after you have modified your system etc. This isnt just manufacture hating on the root, but also avoiding bricking ur custom device with a block update that is targeting files that are gone/moved/changed. So dont worry about ota updates as they are gonna break everywhere on anything that's rooted. The ota updates get pulled by devs, tested and implimented as fast as we can, but if you want the updates as the launch then dont root and accept the device as is. 99% of the time the bennifits of fixing / changing all the other things on the device to be delayed on a ota is worth it. Sprint is the 1st V20 to get onto the Feb Sec. Patch, all other carriers are still on Dec or older. But the update came for the sprint V20, and within 30days of it being live, weve managed to get the ota pushed to our rooted users and its working GREAT!
I can say 1 thing for sure, if you update your V20 to zv6 without being rooted 1st this debate is over anyways as it wont/cant be rooted anymore and the decision is gone to do so. But otherwise, theres a reason youve landed on xda, wondering about what the hype is about rooting etc, ill just leave a screenshot of my device here for looks. Im very proud of the work myself and the rest of the community has done. The device runs 10x faster and longer then the OEM;s software the released, and so many little bugs etc have been fixed also on our end to enhance it further. With the countless options to theme, customize and change ur device, the learning and experience itself is $$.
Ultimately, i vote to root the $H!T out of your phone, and worst case, get it replaced and do it again if you F it up!
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Thank you for your detailed and informative reply... Im no newb to flashinging.. And understand the risks involved in rooting this perticular decive... As ive rooted many before.. Im on zv6 so it looks as though i cant root anywaus... Maybe some day we will get some kind of root and unroot... Hopefull thinking hahah ... But ya... Defiantly thinking about going back to samsung next upgrade...
My V20 was an absolute DOG before I rooted.
It was SLOOOOOOOOOW. The only thing that was fast was the battery draining.
Since rooting it is like night and day. Fast and battery last great.
midmadn said:
My V20 was an absolute DOG before I rooted.
It was SLOOOOOOOOOW. The only thing that was fast was the battery draining.
Since rooting it is like night and day. Fast and battery last great.
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To bad im on zv6 i cant root this
I rooted with Dirty Santa. While it was easy to do, I misread or missed a step, no problems though.
I like being able to get rid of all the LG and Sprint apps, drives me crazy that they sit there even though I have 96GB space on my phone.
The static on boot up isn't too bad, just don't ever let your phone die completely and don't reboot and it's not a bother. A few times I have let my phone go totally dead. Most of the time booting up is not an issue. Once or twice I couldn't get in. I had to remove my case, pull pull out the battery, and boot again.
I do miss getting OTA updates.. not only for security, but because when Android O comes out and I'm not able to update I'm going to feel I am missing something even if there's nothing much different.
yuppicide said:
I rooted with Dirty Santa. While it was easy to do, I misread or missed a step, no problems though.
I like being able to get rid of all the LG and Sprint apps, drives me crazy that they sit there even though I have 96GB space on my phone.
The static on boot up isn't too bad, just don't ever let your phone die completely and don't reboot and it's not a bother. A few times I have let my phone go totally dead. Most of the time booting up is not an issue. Once or twice I couldn't get in. I had to remove my case, pull pull out the battery, and boot again.
I do miss getting OTA updates.. not only for security, but because when Android O comes out and I'm not able to update I'm going to feel I am missing something even if there's nothing much different.
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Im going to guess there will be a custom rom for android O availible before official comes out lol
I've been reading the various rooting threads for a couple of days and overall the process seems pretty complicated with many different Nokia 6 versions, and different tools to use, etc.
Is there a way to get root with just the stock bootloader? I only want to do a few sudo operations once in a while, not flash any ROMs. Is this possible somehow? I'm using TA-1003 with 8.0.0 + April security update.
Thanks
leekohlbradley said:
I've been reading the various rooting threads for a couple of days and overall the process seems pretty complicated with many different Nokia 6 versions, and different tools to use, etc.
Is there a way to get root with just the stock bootloader? I only want to do a few sudo operations once in a while, not flash any ROMs. Is this possible somehow? I'm using TA-1003 with 8.0.0 + April security update.
Thanks
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Your best bet is to return the phone. Nokia has made a really, really bad bet by locking the boot loader. I think that by getting burnt by windows, they decided to jump back into the frying pan again. They don't understand what "OPEN SOURCE SOFTWARE" is. If they had a clue, they would not lock the boot loader. I returned mine because there will not be any active development or roms. I wanted the phone so I could root it, like you, and then unlock the sound features from the sound chip. So, don't bother rooting the phone, just return it or keep it stock.
In a year or two, Nokia will flop or get the idea that they want active development so people will buy their phones. It is a bad way to enter the market.
In principle I agree but I've used the phone for almost a year lol and sadly the power user community is really very small and so there's not much motivation for Nokia to make open phones. This seems especially true to me, since they're offering the phone as an Amazon prime adware phone, for example, so there is in fact a motivation to not open the phone, since it might let users remove the adware from their subsidized hardware... My 2mBTC
I may be spoiled because all my previous phones were various versions of Nexus phones (and tablets), all rooted and with various stock and/or other ROMs installed. But Nexus phones were originally designed for developers, easy to root and mod.
Moto G7 is my first non Nexus phone. So what I write may not be unique and perhaps apply to other non-Nexus phones. I don't know.
Despite all my modding I never bricked a phone until I got the Moto G7. And I've read of many others who have hard bricked their Moto phones too. Moto certainly does not want you to root or modify their phones and punishes you if you do.
If you wish to root the G7:
—unlocking the bootloader requires you to first contact and get a code from Moto
—you then get an annoying persistent warning at every boot that tells you this is now an untrusted phone (as if you did not know)
—rooting this phone is fraught with many problems along the way (but it is a new phone with little development)
—if you make the error of later installing an ota update from Moto (even if officially announced on the phone as available and even after unrooting the phone) it can irretrievably brick your phone without warning (as I've done)
That said, the unrooted phone is excellent value despite some problems like occasionally dropping wifi. But in my experience it is not particularly suited for rooting and modding.
Fwiw
(Does anyone know what Moto charges to repair a phone out if warranty?)
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I may be spoiled because all my previous phones were various versions of Nexus phones (and tablets), all rooted and with various stock and/or other ROMs installed. But Nexus phones were originally designed for developers, easy to root and mod.
Moto G7 is my first non Nexus phone. So what I write may not be unique and perhaps apply to other non-Nexus phones. I don't know.
Despite all my modding I never bricked a phone until I got the Moto G7. And I've read of many others who have hard bricked their Moto phones too. Moto certainly does not want you to root or modify their phones and punishes you if you do.
If you wish to root the G7:
—unlocking the bootloader requires you to first contact and get a code from Moto
—you then get an annoying persistent warning at every boot that tells you this is now an untrusted phone (as if you did not know)
—rooting this phone is fraught with many problems along the way (but it is a new phone with little development)
—if you make the error of later installing an ota update from Moto (even if officially announced on the phone as available and even after unrooting the phone) it can irretrievably brick your phone without warning (as I've done)
That said, the unrooted phone is excellent value despite some problems like occasionally dropping wifi. But in my experience it is not particularly suited for rooting and modding.
Fwiw
(Does anyone know what Moto charges to repair a phone out if warranty?)
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I bought mine used but mint xt1962-1 on eBay for $110. Prob $150 for repair by Moto. Blankflash is avail on Tele$ram for qld 9008 brick
maybeme2 said:
I may be spoiled because all my previous phones were various versions of Nexus phones (and tablets), all rooted and with various stock and/or other ROMs installed. But Nexus phones were originally designed for developers, easy to root and mod.
Moto G7 is my first non Nexus phone. So what I write may not be unique and perhaps apply to other non-Nexus phones. I don't know.
Despite all my modding I never bricked a phone until I got the Moto G7. And I've read of many others who have hard bricked their Moto phones too. Moto certainly does not want you to root or modify their phones and punishes you if you do.
If you wish to root the G7:
—unlocking the bootloader requires you to first contact and get a code from Moto
—you then get an annoying persistent warning at every boot that tells you this is now an untrusted phone (as if you did not know)
—rooting this phone is fraught with many problems along the way (but it is a new phone with little development)
—if you make the error of later installing an ota update from Moto (even if officially announced on the phone as available and even after unrooting the phone) it can irretrievably brick your phone without warning (as I've done)
That said, the unrooted phone is excellent value despite some problems like occasionally dropping wifi. But in my experience it is not particularly suited for rooting and modding.
Fwiw
(Does anyone know what Moto charges to repair a phone out if warranty?)
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Agreed. The reasons you cite are probably why there is so little development activity on this device.
A big THANK YOU to the TWRP and LineageOS teams for the work they have done on the G7.
I cannot agree more! A huge thank you to the few developers who have helped us, including Alberto97 who gave us the unofficial TWRP early on, the twrp team who recently provided an official version, and the few brave helpers who helped us in XDA.
But, one problem non-expert users face when seeking advice by 'searching first' (as recommended) instead of asking 'again' in the threads is the *outdated advice* found. Take for example something as common as how to root the Moto G7. Advice found by searching for rooting advice include:
If your phone channel is "US Retail", download RETUS (retail US) on pc.
Copy the image to your phone and use Magisk to patch the image. After that, copy the output image to your host computer.
(This spawned numerous queries of 'how do you use Magisk to patch the.....)
Now turn your phone off, press and hold power + volume down to enter bootloader, connect your phone to host computer, and enter
fastboot flash boot
Press space once and drag and drop the output image file to command window.
If everything goes well, restart the phone and confirm it is rooted with Magisk
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Rather complicated! Actually rooting the Moto G7 with an unlocked bootloader is as simple as:
—install Magisk Manager and use it to download Magisk zip.
—in TWRP, install Magisk zip
That will root the phone.
(besides, many versions of Magisk would patch boot.IMG in ways that don't work correctly for the G7)
I don't know that there is much that can be done about outdated or incorrect advice but it explains the frustration of non-expert users. ?
Tele$ram has much better support these days than XDA
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Tele$ram has much better support these days than XDA
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You are correct. XDA is were I go first but Telegram solved several of my most stubborn problems.
I had zero problems following the directions in these forums, just my two cents.
HueyT said:
Tele$ram has much better support these days than XDA
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It absolutely does. XDA is a fantastic library. I see it as a central hub where the best and the brightest Android people congregate. But if you have a question to ask or feel like helping someone who does, TG can fix you up right away.
Instant gratification - it's what's for dinner.
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It absolutely does. XDA is a fantastic library. I see it as a central hub where the best and the brightest Android people congregate. But if you have a question to ask or feel like helping someone who does, TG can fix you up right away.
Instant gratification - it's what's for dinner.
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You said it perfectly.
Rapid, knowledgeable answers on Telegram.
XDA is a fantastic library — but that means search finds old advice messages that are no longer valid and can create more problems for you.