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I ran across this earlier today and it seems like something Samsung would never think about doing. Do you think they would consider doing this? Wouldn't it make it harder for Samsung to achieve a good brand recognition and send Samsung back to where they were before the Galaxy S3 came out (when no one really knew what a Samsung phone looked like)? Would you buy a Samsung phone if they did this?
It's the carriers. I see almost no advertisements by them. Best example was when the phone first came out, I saw nothing by AT&T. I walked in and it seemed like it wasn't even launch day.
Selling a bunch of other models would be a bad choice in my opinion. Improving the build of their one flagship device might make a difference. I for one would like a strong mid-body that wont flex (lets make the phone a bit thicker, please). Perhaps a metal band around the phone (or at least nearby the glass, I already scuffed up the front plastic ring).
What I don't want is something like the GS4 Active, great concept that will work for some, but ugly and not simple.
If they can make their devices even more physically appealing and have the carriers push them more, they'll sell more. This phone is too much like the GS3 that is running for zero down.... or so it seems to most of the population, one that doesn't know what a Full HD Super AMOLED versus an HD Super AMOLED. One that sees the two and find the slightly smaller and lesser as a better buy.
Just my 2 cents.
my GF and i were discussing this earlier. from a marketing standpoint, we can see 3 variants working best (psychology and marketing background on her part), like the S4 active, S4 zoom, and S4 mini. i would actually roll the S4 into the Active, and make that the standard model. Turn the S4 mini into a 4.3" 720P with less sensors and detuned processor with 1.5GB of RAM and 8/16GB storage, apply the S4 mini specs to the S4 zoom, and then I would can the 'active' label, and make the IP67 rating standard on the 'flagship' model, throw in the missing sensors from the S4 proper, and there you have a more ideal lineup.
So basically...
S5 mini 720P with lower proc, ram, and storage aimed at women and sell it for $50 less
S5 Zoom with above stated specs for same as 'S5' price
S5 with max stats and IP67 rating.
AMOLED screens CAN be secured against water damage to IP67 specs.
Even before Sony name the new honami phone as Z1, I once thought that XZ can be a great predecessor for its future generations if Sony wishes.
I believe that many of you would also hope for the successor of XZ with its weaknesses fixed or improved. So, now the Z1 has come out
and let's list out which things Sony improved and which things that left out but still can be improved.
I also would like you to participate as fun with possible improvements that you've thought before. [Note: possible means not features like
Xenon flash, fingerprint scanner, 10x optical zoom etc.. ok? ]
First, let's see what weaknesses of XZ that is fixed or improved in Z1. I cannot definitely tell that some of the things are fixed but I will
update once I got Z1 and compared with XZ.
Xperia Z's weaknesses
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1. poor viewing angle (Hope triluminos fix it. Acceptable so far according to the hands on videos)
2. poor wifi receivement (If Sony make use of Z1's aluminium panel as antenna?)
3. wear and tear flaps (I am interested to find out how they managed to build the Z1's open earphone jack with water resistance)
4. battery life (Improved. XZ's battery life is acceptable for me but 2330 mAh is really not enough for heavy users)
5. Speaker (Improved........)
6. loose back panel near camera (Not sure and most important factor)
7. Shatter proof and scratch-resistant glass (Not improved)
8. No dedicated shutter button (fixed)
Z1's successor possible improvements
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1. Shatter proof and scratch-resistant glass to Corning Gorilla Glass 1/2/3 with oleophobic coating ?
Many of us might have been disappointed with such a fingerprint and dust magnet of XZ's screen. Very obvious and noticeable if you come from an iPhone.
Also I am also one of the people who don't prefer Shatter proof film at all because of the reason above.
2. magnetic power connector ? (optional)
Most of XZ owners afraid of their phone's flaps will become loose and eventually let water damage the phone one day because of the commonly used
2 main ports, micro usb port and earphone jack. Now Sony already managed to left the headphone jack open and if they managed to come up even
more with magnetic power connector and let it connect to 2 pogo pins(which was designed only for dock), it will definitely become an invincible beast.
You can argue that we can already charge the phone with dock however, some people don't prefer it because of high ampere and faster discharge of battery.
3. Increase internal memory to 32GB ?
Although we can add 16 up to 64 micro SDs, most people still want to make internal memory as their favourite. For me, its not a must factor as I usually
flash my phones alot and only store my data in microSD card.
4. Increase RAM to 3Gb? ( nah, no need)
5. OIS missing?
As far as I read up in pages, I cannot find anything about OIS in Z1. I guess Sony missed out an important feature.
6. S-Master MX digital amplifier ??
Many Walkman fans hoped desperately for that dedicated audio chip and Sony missed out again. However, I think it is because of constraints in so
many aspects such as design and customers' affordable price range.
Nanohearted said:
Even before Sony name the new honami phone as Z1, I once thought that XZ can be a great predecessor for its future generations if Sony wishes.
I believe that many of you would also hope for the successor of XZ with its weaknesses fixed or improved. So, now the Z1 has come out
and let's list out which things Sony improved and which things that left out but still can be improved.
I also would like you to participate as fun with possible improvements that you've thought before. [Note: possible means not features like
Xenon flash, fingerprint scanner, 10x optical zoom etc.. ok? ]
First, let's see what weaknesses of XZ that is fixed or improved in Z1. I cannot definitely tell that some of the things are fixed but I will
update once I got Z1 and compared with XZ.
Xperia Z's weaknesses
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1. poor viewing angle (Hope triluminos fix it. Acceptable so far according to the hands on videos)
2. poor wifi receivement (If Sony make use of Z1's aluminium panel as antenna?)
3. wear and tear flaps (I am interested to find out how they managed to build the Z1's open earphone jack with water resistance)
4. battery life (Improved. XZ's battery life is acceptable for me but 2330 mAh is really not enough for heavy users)
5. Speaker (Improved........)
6. loose back panel near camera (Not sure and most important factor)
7. Shatter proof and scratch-resistant glass (Not improved)
8. No dedicated shutter button (fixed)
Z1's successor possible improvements
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1. Shatter proof and scratch-resistant glass to Corning Gorilla Glass 1/2/3 with oleophobic coating ?
Many of us might have been disappointed with such a fingerprint and dust magnet of XZ's screen. Very obvious and noticeable if you come from an iPhone.
Also I am also one of the people who don't prefer Shatter proof film at all because of the reason above.
2. magnetic power connector ? (optional)
Most of XZ owners afraid of their phone's flaps will become loose and eventually let water damage the phone one day because of the commonly used
2 main ports, micro usb port and earphone jack. Now Sony already managed to left the headphone jack open and if they managed to come up even
more with magnetic power connector and let it connect to 2 pogo pins(which was designed only for dock), it will definitely become an invincible beast.
You can argue that we can already charge the phone with dock however, some people don't prefer it because of high ampere and faster discharge of battery.
3. Increase internal memory to 32GB ?
Although we can add 16 up to 64 micro SDs, most people still want to make internal memory as their favourite. For me, its not a must factor as I usually
flash my phones alot and only store my data in microSD card.
4. Increase RAM to 3Gb? ( nah, no need)
5. OIS missing?
As far as I read up in pages, I cannot find anything about OIS in Z1. I guess Sony missed out an important feature.
6. S-Master MX digital amplifier ??
Many Walkman fans hoped desperately for that dedicated audio chip and Sony missed out again. However, I think it is because of constraints in so
many aspects such as design and customers' affordable price range.
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this is not a troll question, i genuinely want to know why you regard xenon flash as a not possible improvement? Is xenon flash too hard to implement in mobiles? The nokia people did it right?
Anyway, without the phone in my hands my vote goes to a decent OIS system and to move away from flaps to wireless data transfer and charging. That way, we dont have to worry about those seals letting water in. Oh and for micro sd and the sim card flap, possibly making a tighter seal that can be secured shut with a small and discrete screw. I think the trade off of having a complete seal that you don't have to always check for dust and if its closed all the way is worth having to work a little harder to get to the sd and sim card.
Edit* just saw your #2 suggestion, i like that better than what i said. yeah just do away with the microsd if they can't waterproof it without a flap and hook everything up through that dock connector instead.
systoxity said:
this is not a troll question, i genuinely want to know why you regard xenon flash as a not possible improvement? Is xenon flash too hard to implement in mobiles? The nokia people did it right?
Anyway, without the phone in my hands my vote goes to a decent OIS system and to move away from flaps to wireless data transfer and charging. That way, we dont have to worry about those seals letting water in. Oh and for micro sd and the sim card flap, possibly making a tighter seal that can be secured shut with a small and discrete screw. I think the trade off of having a complete seal that you don't have to always check for dust and if its closed all the way is worth having to work a little harder to get to the sd and sim card.
Edit* just saw your #2 suggestion, i like that better than what i said. yeah just do away with the microsd if they can't waterproof it without a flap and hook everything up through that dock connector instead.
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I think I would prefer LED if I can't have both LED and Xenon flash on the front. I prefer having an LED flash that could be used as flashlight than using the phone screen for torch.
gwuhua1984 said:
I think I would prefer LED if I can't have both LED and Xenon flash on the front. I prefer having an LED flash that could be used as flashlight than using the phone screen for torch.
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that's a really good point, i agree 100%.
Things for me that are missing from the Z1 are
*32gb internal
*IR Blaster
*Glove mode like xperia SP
*OIS in the camera
*720p/1080p recording at 60fps ( not fussed about 4k thats just exccessive)
*S Max Walkman AMP
I wouldn't mind better speakers and an IR blaster. Otherwise it looks pretty damn good. Maybe a Xenon flash as well to take better pics at night.
shem2409 said:
I wouldn't mind better speakers and an IR blaster. Otherwise it looks pretty damn good. Maybe a Xenon flash as well to take better pics at night.
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Not a big one for me but less bezel, more screen. Also I'd like wireless charging but the biggest change would be a removable battery.
These are my wish list,
1. S-Master - Audio is very important to me
2. Better Battery life. (at least 10 hours of viewing videos)
3. Better Screen Material. Screen that is a finger print magnet is really annoying. I literally bring an extra cloth on my bag to wipe the screen of my Xperia S.
4. Magnetic Charging Cable out of the box. this would really be awesome.
**OIS seems to have a lot of mixed reviews on the camera, so still waiting if it really needs an OIS or Sony Steadyshot will do.
Is This too Much
Dedicated audio chip(with 120db SNR. Frequency Response (-3dB, 24bit/192KHz input) : 10 Hz to 48 KHz)
600ohm headphone amplifier
stereo speakers with better drives (RMS Power: 500 Watt, Program power: 1000 Watt, Frequency range: 20 Hz - 100 kHz, Nominal Impedence: 4 Ohm, Efficience 2,83V / 1m: 92 dB, Maximum SPL: 118 dB)
superior auto with ability to manually control ISO
OIS
always on mic with dedicated speech recognition processor
dedicated X-reality processor with video upsampling
High contrast display
shatterproof film on inside of the phone exposing the glass
making the screen Oleophobic
Ir blaster
178 degree viewing angle
48-bit deep color panel
Stylus sensitivity as in Z-ultra
32GB internal memory
4GB RAM
3Ghz quad core processor that will be launched as per Qualcomm by the time next model comes out or 8 core model which is more upto date then,even maybe a 64 bit processor
Glove mode
Wireless Charging
LED and Xenon flash combo
Manual mode for X-reality engine
sapphire crystal instead of glass
LTE- Advance
multiple users with multiple privileges
Motion sensing using front Camera
running any app in multitask on single screen. even multiple instances of same app
RCJ89 said:
Things for me that are missing from the Z1 are
*32gb internal
*IR Blaster
*Glove mode like xperia SP
*OIS in the camera
*720p/1080p recording at 60fps ( not fussed about 4k thats just exccessive)
*S Max Walkman AMP
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Personally, I can agree with the Glove mode and the recording although I want 4K... They should enable it in the future with a software update but who knows... Anyways, IR blaster is not that necessary.. There's a good reason why there are TV remotes.. Sony's digital stabilisation is bloody good and they never use manual OIS so don't expect it... Don't know about the walkman amp but hell when I tested it yesterday, headphone audio was good...
Sean473 said:
Personally, I can agree with the Glove mode and the recording although I want 4K... They should enable it in the future with a software update but who knows... Anyways, IR blaster is not that necessary.. There's a good reason why there are TV remotes.. Sony's digital stabilisation is bloody good and they never use manual OIS so don't expect it... Don't know about the walkman amp but hell when I tested it yesterday, headphone audio was good...
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Well don't leave us hanging man! tell us why there's a good reason there are TV remotes!
oled screen like psvita (z1 screen is good, but not that good viewing angles, and black levels not comparable to super amoled) (galaxy note 3 have super amoled
OIS - steadyshot in z1 is software implemented, a good OIS help a lot in video recording (galaxy note have OIS)
720p 120fps, 1080p 60fps, 4k and 2k video with good bitrates (adain, galaxy note 3 already have these features)
(i think its possible to add this in a firmware update, but i really doubt they will)
sony z1 loose to galaxy note 3 in all major features, only in camera pictures it wins (and a little bit disapoint for its 1/2.3 sensor)
this is disapoint. knowing that sony could have implemented all of this in z1 makes me sad. z1 has perfect design, is IP 55/58 wich is amazing, and has perfect hardware (snapdragon 800). but sony ****ed up in screen and video capabilities. if they had implemented all of this z1 would be a clear winner
if they release a z1 mini with the same specs as z1 but with 4'-4.3' screen i will buy it anyway, since it will be the only mini smartphone with flagship specs
z1 successor will have the same problems again, but just attenuated like z1 and z
Just heard about Z2 on the horizon but would treat this with a grain of salt:
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Specs-leak-for-the-Sony-Xperia-Z2-code-named-Avatar_id47423
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pepeo123 said:
oled screen like psvita (z1 screen is good, but not that good viewing angles, and black levels not comparable to super amoled) (galaxy note 3 have super amoled
OIS - steadyshot in z1 is software implemented, a good OIS help a lot in video recording (galaxy note have OIS)
720p 120fps, 1080p 60fps, 4k and 2k video with good bitrates (adain, galaxy note 3 already have these features)
(i think its possible to add this in a firmware update, but i really doubt they will)
sony z1 loose to galaxy note 3 in all major features, only in camera pictures it wins (and a little bit disapoint for its 1/2.3 sensor)
this is disapoint. knowing that sony could have implemented all of this in z1 makes me sad. z1 has perfect design, is IP 55/58 wich is amazing, and has perfect hardware (snapdragon 800). but sony ****ed up in screen and video capabilities. if they had implemented all of this z1 would be a clear winner
if they release a z1 mini with the same specs as z1 but with 4'-4.3' screen i will buy it anyway, since it will be the only mini smartphone with flagship specs
z1 successor will have the same problems again, but just attenuated like z1 and z
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Just wanted to point out that note does not have OIS either. Also the note 3 uses the pentile display which is inferior to normal 1080p which z1 got.
Idk the waterproofing and camera was enough to win me over from the note 3... Quite a few tradeoffs to consider. You're suggestions were good nontheless.
systoxity said:
Just wanted to point out that note does not have OIS either. Also the note 3 uses the pentile display which is inferior to normal 1080p which z1 got.
Idk the waterproofing and camera was enough to win me over from the note 3... Quite a few tradeoffs to consider. You're suggestions were good nontheless.
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sorry, my mistake, i got confused about the OIS in the LG G2.
and about the oled display, i was reffering to the oled that sony uses in its PSvita. it doesnt use pentile matrix
an sony phone with oled display, 4k video, 1080p 60 fps, and OIS would be an instant buy. an mini version with similar specs would be a dream
waterproof and camera was enough for me too, even if the video recording is a little bit disapointing. and the triluminos display in z1 is good enought, but not flagship. oled would be perfect
pepeo123 said:
sorry, my mistake, i got confused about the OIS in the LG G2.
and about the oled display, i was reffering to the oled that sony uses in its PSvita. it doesnt use pentile matrix
an sony phone with oled display, 4k video, 1080p 60 fps, and OIS would be an instant buy. an mini version with similar specs would be a dream
waterproof and camera was enough for me too, even if the video recording is a little bit disapointing. and the triluminos display in z1 is good enought, but not flagship. oled would be perfect
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sony uses LCD on new PS Vita
http://www.techdigest.tv/2013/09/sony_explain_wh.html
Another dis advantage of OLED is it is not water proof, it can easily damage on water. it is the reason why Samsung Galaxy S4 Active is using LCD, instead of SAMOLED....
And also life span, OLED does not have a good life span, you immediately see effects after 1 year use.
OLED also suck at Outdoors, can barely use it while your outdoors on a bright sun, I live in a tropical country and I love going to the beach so this is important to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
Morlock O said:
sony uses LCD on new PS Vita
http://www.techdigest.tv/2013/09/sony_explain_wh.html
Another dis advantage of OLED is it is not water proof, it can easily damage on water. it is the reason why Samsung Galaxy S4 Active is using LCD, instead of SAMOLED....
And also life span, OLED does not have a good life span, you immediately see effects after 1 year use.
OLED also suck at Outdoors, can barely use it while your outdoors on a bright sun, I live in a tropical country and I love going to the beach so this is important to me.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OLED
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Yeah I had an S3 and outdoors in the sun, nightmare to see anything.. I don't expect that much trouble with LCD!
Waterproof was enough to win me over, I how it's water proof, I love to swim so it will be amazing to use it in the pool
My pre-order is already in and my S3's days are numbered (I may give it to my Dad if he wants it )
I'm also really looking forward to cooking up some roms I really was in my sweet spot with Xperia when I had my Xperia Play.
here are some of the highest priority improvements for the next xperia flagship i hope to see:
SCREEN:
1. make the front glass and back glass THEMSELVES shatter proof, scratch resistant and with oleophobic coating to make the front film ONLY optional (the Z1 front glass itself is ONLY "scratch resistant", and if there's no way to make the glass itself shatter resistant with out having to put a film on then ditch the glass material for other material (sapphire ?)/all aluminum. just not plastic. by either way:
a. you treat many people that HATE screen films, like me. people who wants to put a film can always do that.
b. the screen quality will not be affected at all by a mandatory external film (a really minor effect, small as it may be, but it's still an effect, right? right).
2. do not print your "sony" logo on the front film - it's a really cheap and dumb decision. either engrave it on the front glass itself or don't engrave it at all on the front. and just don't tell me that the back "sony" and "xperia" logos are not printed on the back film as well, otherwise it will be too stupid.
just don't make the film a mandatory thing and don't ship the units with it on. of course one can remove the film but it would be a silly thing to do since the glass will be more fragile and without oleophobic coating - so it's not a wise thing to do.
i have my iphone 3gs for 4 years now and i have only 2 tiny scratches on the screen, why? cause i put it in ultra thine leather folder case which is a MUCH better compromise then using a phone with a film on which i can't stand, plus it gives real protection against drops, etc. much better protection then what the film brings.
3. improve the screen quality even more, especially the viewing angles to AT LEAST match the htc one/iphone 5 viewing angles.
4. gloves mode.
SOUND:
1. louder speaker or 2 speakers for a fuller and louder sound if possible.
2. higher quality audio - dedicated chip.
STORAGE:
1. at least 32gb internal.
It looks like there might be a better Note 3 coming out with confirmed variants of a flexible display and maybe water resistant.
Will the Galaxy F line here be better than the Note 3?
-Metal case
-16mp camera w/ optical image stabilization
-octa-core processor
What makes you think it'll be a Note vs. another line of Samsung's standard phones?
According to ETNews, the so-called Galaxy F could feature cutting-edge hardware specifications and materials that trump those in its current portfolio. Key among the rumored details are an octa-core processor, a 16-megapixel camera with optical image stabilization, and a metal case. This design could see Samsung pushing further into the curved display technology.It's a little early to have buyer's remorse over the N3 when nothing material has been leaked as to what Samsung's working on next. They haven't even gotten the N10.1-2014 to market yet and that's already been formally announced. And if the Galaxy F (if it's real) doesn't have "Note" features and at least a 5.7" display I could care less about how "shiny" it is.
BarryH_GEG said:
What makes you think it'll be a Note vs. another line of Samsung's standard phones?
According to ETNews, the so-called Galaxy F could feature cutting-edge hardware specifications and materials that trump those in its current portfolio. Key among the rumored details are an octa-core processor, a 16-megapixel camera with optical image stabilization, and a metal case. This design could see Samsung pushing further into the curved display technology.It's a little early to have buyer's remorse over the N3 when nothing material has been leaked as to what Samsung's working on next. They haven't even gotten the N10.1-2014 to market yet and that's already been formally announced. And if the Galaxy F (if it's real) doesn't have "Note" features and at least a 5.7" display I could care less about how "shiny" it is.
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I agree about the shiny and screen size part. I know that it won't be an official "Note" series phone but just mentioning it open-endendly for those like myself that are still contemplating upgrading to the Note 3 vs waiting for a better phone only months later.
Also, maybe someone has tripped across more information about it that we'd be interested in
if this is true i am definitely getting one
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia...x_might_not_exist-news-9969.php:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
muhammadshais said:
if this is true i am definitely getting one
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia...x_might_not_exist-news-9969.php:D:D:D:D:D:D:D
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Fix ur link :highfive: And im so gald to hear that one : ''Interestingly, Sony is said to give up on its six-month release cycle for flagship handsets starting with the Xperia Z4. So far, it has been the only company to push out two flagships per year - take the Z2 and Z3 from 2014, for example. But that's rumored to change, with the Z4 not being followed by a Z5 in 2015.'' :highfive:
http://m.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z4_specs_reportedly_leak_z3x_might_not_exist-news-9969.php
Hoping there will be the Compact version too, since 5.5" is just too big for me - no pun intended. I already thought N5 was pushing it, whilst the Z2 is minimally bigger than N5, so yeah, I'd rather not go any bigger. 4.5-5" is the perfect screen size for me, and since Z4 will sport whooping 4GB RAM, the Compact should be able to pull off 3GB with ease - more than enough, really.
Although, if it's out in early '15, I'm likely not gonna bother upgrading - my Z2 is only just over 3 months old, and it's a two years long contract. Early upgrades are a bit pricey. May even hold back until the Z5 is out, unless I decide to go for a different phone entirely - maybe back to Nexus (if they give a smaller screen size versions), or HTC, or try Motorola.
S800, S801, S801 S810 ! Thats gonna be a huge jump.
But i'm more interested in the curved sensor. Wonder how that will work out.
that sure is a worthy upgrade, im really hyped if it's true that they will add a dedicated amplifier inside Z4.. S-Master HX, anyone?
putting 5.5" is kinda pushing it imo, Z2 is already really big -- almost as big as LG G Pro with its 5.5", unless Sony manages to reduce its footprint even more
but i think i'll be saving for Z5 in case Qualcomm outs a new Krait core processor, a 6 core Krait? 8 core Krait? That'd sound more interesting than a bigLITTLE ARM architecture to me
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Hoping there will be the Compact version too, since 5.5" is just too big for me - no pun intended.
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Same. I figured that buy buying the z2, (I had never even heard of sony phones before) I'd lose the mental pressure of always wanting the new iPhone. But now I want z4, except not so large.
Damn, im having hard time getting used to my z2 l, now they are pushing it more. Hope they stop this. And I waa really hoping to have a better pixel camera maybe An 8 to 12 mp front and down sizing to 5 mp for better selfies. Cause it really has a lack in details for a 2 mp front. I hope the battery will not be sacrificed due to this 2k display
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S800, S801, S801 S810 ! Thats gonna be a huge jump.
But i'm more interested in the curved sensor. Wonder how that will work out.
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If they switch to a quad hd display the jump won't be noticeable at all...
Buying Z3 or not, Z4 is definitely mine...
Even, I'm quite sure they will build it on 805, not 810....
I pray Gods I'm wrong
Also...it could be cool if they release Z4 next year in March and then do what they said (1 year cycle for flagships)
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Haldi4803 said:
S800, S801, S801 S810 ! Thats gonna be a huge jump.
But i'm more interested in the curved sensor. Wonder how that will work out.
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Quite interesting info...
First they said (gsmarena) that we'll have Z4 with that new curved lens but they are pointing us to web page that says this:
Sony hasn’t yet been able to produce their curved sensors in any high-megapixel variants, which means that we won’t be seeing the technology in commercial applications anytime soon.
Hmmm....I'm not buying this specif. for Z4.
I'm quite sure they are guessing...
Never mind...We'll see...
It would be great if Sony skip 805, at least for Z4 as a new flagship and go straight to 810 but as I already said - I doubt...
I think we'll see (again) device with 16gb SDcard, same camera lenses and same screen as we saw on Z3...
They are working on software, that's obvious, so there's a chance I'm wrong...
Maybe they built perfect drivers and optimise code on Lolipop and are ready to build Z4 on awesome monster 810...
Can't wait to see all those great devices in next year powered by Lolipop...
Looks like I can happily skip this, unless they make a radical change to get rid of the borders around the screen. As proven by Apple's awful iPhone 6 Plus, 5.5 inches is just too big. I wouldn't consider this spec for a second.
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Quite interesting info...
First they said (gsmarena) that we'll have Z4 with that new curved lens but they are pointing us to web page that says this:
Sony hasn’t yet been able to produce their curved sensors in any high-megapixel variants, which means that we won’t be seeing the technology in commercial applications anytime soon.
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Didn't the new strange selfie phone in japan use a curved sensor ?
Slow...
Wow, you guys are so behind the times. Sony has actually confirmed the Z6 series set to be released 2015 July... (kidding obviously)
I'm a little shocked that the Z3 has barely even started being sold around the world, and Z4 talk begins already hah. Since it's on the table, I've decided to pass on the Z3, but perhaps the Z4 I will jump on. I purchased my Z2 about 4 months back and OMG... This is my first Sony phone, 33rd Android phone (no joke) and this has topped the charts in my book. I really hope these specs are true, and not just early expectation drafts for the future.
5" is the perfect size for me. 5.2" is the maximum I would go for. Anything above that is too big for me ?
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I'm excited for the dedicated amps for the speakers, and the new SOC. That's about it. I had a 5.5" phone once already (the Oppo Find7a) I really wasn't a fan of that size. I say maybe go 5.3" for a slight bump but that's really it. Or they had better makes those bezels really small. I also don't really care about the resolution. I've seen the G3 in person an wasn't really impressed.
Imo, a 5.5" screen is a failure. Whoever released these specs is trying to picture that sony is copying apple products. Which proves its a lie. My z2 is already big as is. Actually i prefer my old z size over the z2. If they can get rid of the home buttons out of the display would be a better choice.
A better front facing camera, as the 2mp is a failure. And for gods sake fix the slow main camera. Such a disappointing performance from it.
I can swear the z audio quality is better than the z2. A dedicated amp would be great.
Although i loved my old z, but unfortunately i suffered from a self cracking screen. I got the z2 before knowing about it, otherwise i would have never got a Sony again. I hope sony understands the reason of this problem, and have addressed it in the z2, until this moment i haven't heard about a self cracking z2. The screen is too expensive to repair, almost 5x a Samsungs or iPhone screen, because the touch and display screen are one piece, unlike Samsung and iPhone.
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ehussam said:
A better front facing camera, as the 2mp is a failure.
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The much-hyped iPhone 6 and 6 Plus have 1.2-megapixel front cameras, versus 2.1 megapixel from Sony. How is that a failure for Sony?
And for gods sake fix the slow main camera. Such a disappointing performance from it.
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It could be faster, but it matches or beats most standalone consumer cameras, and while Apple is only offloading 80 megapixels per second with its latest-gen phones, Sony is offloading upwards of 124 megapixels per second due to the much, much higher sensor resolution.
(Just tested my phone and got at *least* six frames per second for the first second at 8 megapixel resolution, versus the 10fps claimed by Apple -- and my reflexes probably aren't good enough to have started exactly at the start of the second, so likely the actual frame rate was even higher.)
Although i loved my old z, but unfortunately i suffered from a self cracking screen.
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Ooooohhhh, wait. You're one of the "self-cracking" crowd. There is no such thing as self-cracking, so I don't know why I took this post seriously.
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The screen is too expensive to repair, almost 5x a Samsungs or iPhone screen, because the touch and display screen are one piece, unlike Samsung and iPhone.
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There's a reason they're one piece, and it's a good one. With separate touch screen and LCD, you get a thicker display assembly and lower contrast due to greater internal reflections.
@knoxploration
No, there's no term self cracking glass but that's only expression guys are using to describe broken glass on back cover.
Device never hit the floor or any or "had" any reason to crack...
But...
That's what we are saying (that part where we are surprised with cracked glass).
Actually, little elfs didn't broke it over night...
Apparently, location of NFC chip is problem.
Engineers made a mistake and it protrude compares to other parts.
This problem plus high working temperature can make weird things like cracking the back glass...
I would like to hear impressions of someone who lives in cold area but really cold area...
When you are recording 4K video or watching HD video while you are outside in coldness did you noticed cracking sounds when device start cooling (by extremely cold air).
That NFC chip location is just one of few theories, for me it gives logical answer.
Can't remember where did I saw that info (if I find or remember web I'll post a link).
So, please, don't take that as 100% answer...
See ya
My touch screen cracked and not the back cover, it cracked on its own in a very controlled environment. I was parked in my car, using the phone and everything was fine, all of a sudden the screen became unresponsive, i thought the software crashed and phone became unresponsive. I restarted the phone and the problem remained, and i was completely surprised to find out the screen cracked out of the blue. Im guessing maybe because the touch and display are in one piece and there is a mismatch on their thermal expansion rates, the phone was a bit hot when the screen cracked.
Im not an iPhone fan, actually im puzzled why do people buy them, but thats my opinion.
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lol this thread is become complain section
Well, the (successor?) to the Mix has finally launched and I'm quite disappointed about what it turned out to be.
When the Mix was launched, it was one of a kind and a head-turner with almost everything you could ask for in a smartphone (minus the camera of course). But now, the Mix 2 only seems to be an incremental update with many corners cut.
1. The chin is just 12%smaller and looks much larger than those teasers Xiaomi released from time to time.
2. The screen resolution or type hasn't changed. Just slightly modified for the 18:9 aspect ratio. (2160x1080 vs 2040x1080). Also with the new aspect ratio, the overall screen real-estate has shrunk.
Would have appreciated a switch to AMOLED and a higher resolution to call it an upgrade.
3. Of course the chipset has been updated to the latest but I was never too excited about the Snapdragon 835 considering the 821 is no slouch.
4. The camera was a much needed upgrade and I appreciate that they've managed to squeeze in the Sony IMX386. Then again, this isn't a flagship camera compared to the competition but obviously better than that of the current Mix. So it's very much welcome but not a defining feature. Talking about the front camera, I guess Xiaomi has once again put a mediocre POS in there judging by the fact they didn't make a fuss about it.
5. To squeeze in the camera + OIS and the 18:9 aspect ratio, they've shredded 1000mah from the battery which is very disappointing. I guess I am most disappointed about this aspect.
6. No 3.5mm jack. - I wouldn't have been disappointed by the lack of 3.5mm if the rest of the specsheet were damn impressive and on par with other flagships. But it looks like Xiaomi just wanted to be more like Apple here. Removed the jack for no reason. I see myself using the headphone jack from time to time and I believe everyone does at times. Also, I doubt the Mix 2's audio via the provided USB-C adapter can match the Original Mix's inbuilt powerful headphone amp unless you invest in an external DAC.
When the Mi Mix was launched, it was above every other flagship of the time, except maybe the camera. It gave the Galaxy S7 Edge a run for it's money. It was bold and beautiful.
I gladly paid more than a Galaxy S7 Edge to get this and didn't regret.
But looking at the Mix 2, I don't know whether it stands a chance against the Galaxy S8, especially considering prices of the S8/S8+ has dropped after the launch of the Note 8. Slim bezels are not a defining feature anymore as almost everyone has caught up and so, I feel that the Mix 2 doesn't have anything which will make it stand out against the competition.
I don't see it as a worthy upgrade to the original Mix. It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
To conclude, I don't see how this would compel any existing users to upgrade. Morover I don't see the specsheet motivating any new buyers to choose this over a similarly priced S8+.
For those who are still considering getting a Mix, my opinion would be to get the Original one while it is still available for a discount as Xiaomi usually pulls the device from the market soon after the successor is out, most likely because they can't afford to produce and sell the previous gen device at a very low price. For those actually considering spending on a Mix 2, the S8/S8+ is now similarly priced (check ebay) in most markets and offer better value for your money.
What are your thoughts?
Agree with pretty much everything you said but the tiny screen of the new model kills it for me. I find the note 8 tiny after using the Mix for so long. I wish they made a Mix 2+ with a 6.4" display, I would so pay for that.
I'm staying with the original Mix.
Totally agreed. It was hardly an upgrade by any means. I was honestly more impressed with Xiaomi's MI Note Pro than the Mix 2, Lol. That's the problem with scaling to fast though. The Mix was such a market turner when it came out, if you're a company with certain stylistic choices, it's hard to know how to follow-up.
This is what frustrates me with phone releases, after a good one step forward a company makes two steps back with the next.
Losing the headphone jack and dropping so much battery capacity, 25%....
I know I will never get exactly everything from a phone, there will always be compromise and I am OK with that but stop removing the great features that the previous phone had, the new is supposed to be better than the old!
They changed the aspect ratio. OK, I guess I can live with that. They reduced the screen size. OK, that's starting to hurt but I guess I can live with that too.
They removed the headphone jack. OK, I guess I live with that too but stop already!
No, then they cripple the battery and the icing on the cake, the camera bump protrudes more than on the old phone!
I like to think I'm a reasonable guy. OK, I get it, the new camera is larger. OIS may need more space too. Well, how about you make the phone thicker so that the camera is completely flush with the body and use that extra space for a bigger battery and maybe to bring the headphone jack back?
They reduced the bottom bezel by 12%, they should have worked on using that bezel to put capacitive buttons on it instead of the on screen buttons.
Whatever sales they do achieve, I am convinced that a phone with a better battery, a camera flush with body and a capacitive bottom bezel would sell better...
It was supposed to have the 836 before it was announced that there wouldn't even be an 836, which at least would have given it an edge performance-wise and extended its life.
With the big drop in battery, I don't think it would have been wise to go UHD anyway. Also, being HD, we get better performance in general (particularly in games) since it doesn't have to drive all those extra pixels. AMOLED would have been nice though.
The lack of the headphone jack is a big loss for some, especially considering the Mix had one of the best DACs out there. I don't use headphones that much but I'd still miss it if it was gone.
If they'd just taken the Mix and dropped in an 835 and a better camera I'd probably have upgraded.
Agree with all the points you've made and while it's a disappointment, I'm glad that my almost 1 year old mi mix has features I can appreciate over it's successor.
The bezels look more impressive on the first mix and I can't believe they dropped the battery capacity by that much and removed the headphone jack !
I'm disappointed too
No 3.5mm jack
No OLED
and why!?! 5.99? I want at least 6.4 inch
The camera stands out
and a 1000mha smaller battery?
besides, I don't like the speaker upstairs either,
Only the band 20 support would be useful for me as a German.
But there I can also get a NOTE 8....
but now it will probably stay the good old mi mix 256 for a long time.
or the iphone 8
No reason to buy 1 if you have the mix, thought it was going to be something special
If this is their idea of a better phone, then sadly I see my next phone being the Note 9.
For now I'm sticking with the Mix 1.
It's a notable drop in screen size from the Mix 1.
It's like 15% smaller (roughly 15.64 vs 16.93 sq inches).
Smaller than the galaxy note 8, although it's 'shorter'.
It's nice to see them fixing the major issues from the Mix1 (camera, speaker).
Hopefully it's more drop proof now, too.
But it's no longer the biggest screen/battery for a pocketable phone, and that's a major loss,
So now you ask - what's the point? It it really THAT much better looking than other phones?
Not really.
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It is just how the Galaxy Note 2 was to the Original Galaxy Note with slight spec bump and nothing exciting if anyone remembers.
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I was a VERY early adopter of the Galaxy note 1, and I can assure you - the galaxy note 2 was significantly better than the galaxy note 1 and I can't recall a single negative. The note 1 was definitely a 'market test device' as there were NO large screen phones at the time. It was clunky as hell, while the note 2 was a wonderful phone
One arguable downside was the screen aspect ratio 'dropped' from 16:10 to 16:9, but they made the screen size bigger (5.3 to 5.5) to compensate and the overall screen size stayed the same..
I would have been nice for xiaomi to release a 'full size' 6.4 and the current 'smaller' version for people who REALLY want one handed use or whatever. I guess they don't have enough 'ceramic' capacity to do that. Really quite a shame. I imagine the screen to bezel ratio would be even higher on a larger phone.
I'm also disappointed of Xiaomi I was hoping for a smaller chin instead we've got a smaller phone without head phone jack, that's messed up yo, I'm sticking with my mix till next year when they come up with a worthy phone to upgrade to. No head phone jack? now they are copying apple on that, damn you Xiaomi,
I'm bound to get the better products developed by phone manufacturers it seems ... Oneplus One was an amazing phone and already is a legend, Mi Mix a stunning concept phone that set new grounds in the industry.
I'm glad I made the right choice 2 months ago and went for the 1st gen, instead of waiting for the next one and spend more cash for little to no improvements in what's definitely more crucial to me, i.e. screen size and battery than a better camera. Next gen SoC won't make much of a difference in daily use, since the SD821 is already a great performer. Bezels seem even larger than the 1st gen
I got the Mi MIX in pre order so roughly 10 monts ago. Time files and I still feel like I would buy it a month ago.
The new mix did not bring in anything appealing to me... Samaller screen and no amoled... Smaller battery... the only two thing I like about it more than v1 is the metal frame and OIS..
No I will not buy it.
I'm disappointed too:
No P-OLED/AMOLED
No 2k/4k screen
Smaller batterry
Smaller screen size (not critical)
No way guys
Wrong way, china guys.
Seems like the top bezel is slightly larger on the new MIX. Cost of jamming a speaker in there I guess. I'm very content with the sound on the original anyway.
Special edition without 256gb??
Like the small rounded screen corners on the first. MI MIX 2 seems to have the same wide corners as the rest of the 2017 smartphone lineup.
Was never going to upgrade now anyway. Waiting for next 8XX chip + way....waaay to happy with my MIX.
Only compromise I would be ok with on the MIX 2 is the camera hump. OIS is sweet.
I have mix and mix 2 is absolutely terrible because it doesn't look like unique phone anymore. I got tired of charging my phone every evening, so a +4000 Mah battery was a nobrainer for me to get mix, now its ughhh.
Yes, i'm very disappointed...
was hoping that could have been a decent replacement for Note 4 with promised 6.4 oled screen and 4K battery, but....
with IPS, without 3.5 jack, smaller 6.0 screen and without microsd card slot this phone is not even an option. Very sad.
Also the bezels look huge in comparison with the renders distributed by xiaomi to create hype, which has left a very disappointing feeling that you were promised one thing and offered a very different one...
at the end of the day, the phone did not meet all the hype created, and is a flop (imho)
all im gonna say is.... ill definitely stick to my original mi mix.
Because some people (maybe alot) dont accep the 6.44' size. Their cant use, cant handle it. Then Xiaomi release Mix 2 to help their product come to more people and not to kill the Mix 1, smaller screen size make Mix 1 still alive.
But...the point is...Xiaomi next step...equal to turn back into their fan. I cant accept that. I want bigger screen..!! 6.44'..!! 7..!! But not... If the screent cant bigger.? I want better camera. Yes, they update it. But not enough. I dont care about snap 835. I care about 3400Mah battery. And yes...Mix still alive. Because I will stay with my Mix. My next phone is Note 8. I have hand-on it already. "Wow.! Beautiful". That all i can say. Bye bye mix 2. We will talk again when mix 3 release.
(Sorry about my bad English. But i really..!! Really want to talk about my dissapointed)
It seems Xiaomi used the Mix 1 has a test prototype to see if the technology was feasible and if there was a demand for the bezel-less concept. Since then all the big manufacturers jumped on board too and so the Mix 2 appears to be Xiaomi's attempt to compete with a more mainstream design. This is clear from the smaller width and the use of the more traditional speaker earpiece. Unfortunately this means it no longer stands out or looks futuristic. I still love my Mix 1 but I still like to try the new models so am now on the fence whether to get the Mix 2 or the Essential. The all-ceramic limited edition is tempting as I am a sucker for build quality and advanced materials.
#1: the screen size is a matter of personal preference; you can't please everyone.
6" might be the sweet spot for me in such a package.
#2: I like the fact that Xiaomi introduced another colour & diversified the choice of materials.
It's much harder to scratch a frame, however, most Mi MIX fails were devices which fell on a corner & cracked.
This shouldn't be an issue now with the aluminum frame. Ceramic is still there where it matters - the back.
#3: the camera was an epic fail on the original MIX, & an update to the IMX386 is welcome.
#4: epic fail on the form factor: a slim phone might be easier to hold, but as difficult to handle in 1 hand mode - example: reaching the top parts of the phone.
In addition, there is little to no content in 18:9, thus leading to letterboxing & waste of screen realestate.
#5: the drop in battery capacity to 3500mAh is a huge step back.