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So I'm thinking of coming over to the N4 but worry that its not much better than the note I have. I'm mainly looking for more speed and RAM (including fully working butter on vanilla android)
I don't use the s pen so that's no worries, and the screen could be a little smaller (I'm not someone who keeps wanting bigger).
I don't have masses of data, 16gb would probably do.
Is the battery life comparable? I get around 4h on WiFi with the lowest screen brightness, airplane mode with web browsing.
It would be interesting to hear from other people who came from the note.
Thanks in advance
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I ve got note n7000. Great phone, display, battery, camera. I love it, root-> uninstall stupid apps to get more free RAM and then is fucccccking awesome i used many roms, but stock jelly bean + root is what am i using now
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Having had both the Note 1 and Note 2 i can definately say the N4 is waaaaaaaaaay better than the Note 1. I found the Note 1 laggy and battery life was not spectacular, because it only had a dual core cpu and a older gpu off course. The Note 2 is much much better and choosing between both the Note 2 and N4 is hard and is a matter of preference.
But that aside i would gladly swith from the Note 1 to the N4 if it we`re me because of the incredible user xperience in speed, fluidity and customizebility.
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Having had both the Note 1 and Note 2 i can definately say the N4 is waaaaaaaaaay better than the Note 1. I found the Note 1 laggy and battery life was not spectacular, because it only had a dual core cpu and a older gpu off course. The Note 2 is much much better and choosing between both the Note 2 and N4 is hard and is a matter of preference.
But that aside i would gladly swith from the Note 1 to the N4 if it we`re me because of the incredible user xperience in speed, fluidity and customizebility.
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Thanks for your opinion. It does lag a bit, especially with CM10 where butter is not fully implemented.
The other main concern I forgot to add was the camera. I don't use the camera a massive amount on the Note 1 but I'd rather not go backwards to the N4. I only ask because the N4 hasn't got great reviews for the camera.
The N4's camera isn't great but it's not awful either. It wouldn't be a huge step back from the Note at all, and the benefits of the N4 are just so much huger that there's no doubting that it's better. As for battery life, it gets me through the day without issues and I expect you can manage around 4 hours of web browsing on the lowest brightness. I get 2 and a half hours of a variety of things on full brightness with WiFi/Mobile data usually on and am left with 20% battery at the end of the day.
OK so camera is probably a sideways, if not slight downgrade but I can deal with that.
The most annoying things about android phones for me is the screen latency, it takes a few m/s to register your finger where as the iphones react to swypes and touches better. Does the n4 come closer to that or is it the same screen latency as the note 1.
I've just score between 7800 and 8400 on antutu. What are you guys getting?
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OK so camera is probably a sideways, if not slight downgrade but I can deal with that.
The most annoying things about android phones for me is the screen latency, it takes a few m/s to register your finger where as the iphones react to swypes and touches better. Does the n4 come closer to that or is it the same screen latency as the note 1.
I've just score between 7800 and 8400 on antutu. What are you guys getting?
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I haven't had latency issues. I get between 18000 and 22000 depending on the ROM/kernel.
I bought the note 3 to replace the note 2.
I have not yet sold the note 2 and have been testing both phones simultaneously to determine for myself if the upgrade is worth it.
Note 2 setup: stock ( leaked android 4.3) , a few apps installed
Note 3 setup: stock (Android 4.3), same apps as installed on note 2
Benchmarks Apps:
Note 3 beats Note 2 in all I have tried.
Real world use/Apps:
I have run several applications (multiple times ). Some are .....
Browers: chrome, default browser,
Snote
Gmail
Youtube
Speedtest
maps
Camera
Google now
etc...
In several cases, the note 2 is slightly faster than note 3 ( yes, this is not a typo)
Not by much...... but note 2 in "real world use/applications" seems ever so slightly faster than note 3.
In multi-tasking/split window, I run CPU-Z side by side with the chrome browser.
This was to monitor the 4 cpu cores during browser benchmarks.
I tried the following browser benchmark tests....
1. browsermark - rightware.com
2. sunspider
In both tests, the note 2 out-performed the note 3. -----------update: {may have been due to thermal throtling}
I have searched the net and surprisingly, no one else seems to have noticed/reported this.
Can someone else with both phones verify this?
note 3: SM-N900 ( 1.9Ghz) - Octa-core
note 2: GT-N7100 (1.6Ghz) - Quad-core
Update:
I've run the online browser benchmarks a couple more times after some hours of rest.
Sunspider 1.0 scores {firefox}:
note 2: [ 664.4ms]........note 3: [ 414.8ms]
Benchmarks are consistently showing note 3 as faster than note 2.
Real world use shows little to no difference.
I don't think that a few seconds make a difference between two smartphones as daily driver. So I don't think the note 3 is worth the upgrade at least for what I heard. Thanks for sharing!
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I dont have the Note 3, but I have just seen a video of the "famous" LG G2, with the S800, running some top games with FPS meter enabled, and I'm proud to say than my "old" Note 2 has the same performance, and in some games is even better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16TAbUkAHlU
Benchmarks are the most useless thing that happened to mobile phones. And you can prove it with your own Note 2. Flash an AOSP rom and run a benchmark like 3DMark, you'll get a better result than in stock TouchWiz. So, this means that games should run better on AOSP, right? Then run some game. They will lag WAY more on AOSP roms than in stock roms. Benchmarks aren't a good indicator of anything.
In conclusion, I think phone specs are evolving, that's for sure, but the improvement between generations, like Note 2 -> Note 3, are little in terms of performance, it's not worth the huge amount of money they cost.
Maybe most apps are optimized for 720p rather than 1080p.
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Very interesting. I wonder how long it will take for the rest of the world to catch on to this... or if they ever will?
Thats so interesting. .I wouldnt ever expect that and first time hearing it. No i feel a sense to apprach note 3 performance suspected.
If you proove this with a video screenshots and some benchmark test you would do a revolution i guess..
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More and more I believe that with top of the line smartphones like these, upgrading is necessary only every two years. I had the S2 before this and it's really when I began to feel the slouch in newer games that I decided to upgrade.
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I dont have the Note 3, but I have just seen a video of the "famous" LG G2, with the S800, running some top games with FPS meter enabled, and I'm proud to say than my "old" Note 2 has the same performance, and in some games is even better! http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=16TAbUkAHlU
Benchmarks are the most useless thing that happened to mobile phones. And you can prove it with your own Note 2. Flash an AOSP rom and run a benchmark like 3DMark, you'll get a better result than in stock TouchWiz. So, this means that games should run better on AOSP, right? Then run some game. They will lag WAY more on AOSP roms than in stock roms. Benchmarks aren't a good indicator of anything.
In conclusion, I think phone specs are evolving, that's for sure, but the improvement between generations, like Note 2 -> Note 3, are little in terms of performance, it's not worth the huge amount of money they cost.
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I have stored worrying about benchmarks because all people say is the phones cheat the score. I would rather see just see real world performance. And like a PC a higher clock speed and more cores does not mean better performance.
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note 2 to 3 not compelling upgrade
very useful, thanks.
I was considering upgrading when Note 3 prices fall, maybe early 2014. But now I am far from sure especially with Samsung's stupid region locking.
Reasons to upgrade:
IR emitter for TV remote control. Vaguely useful, perhaps in bars and restaurants when their TVs are turned up too loud so's I can turn them off or down!
USB3. Possible good for faster charging off computer and occasionally dumping in a load of music files.
802.11ac. Maybe I'll upgrade one day at home?
Display. Reports suggest it's easier to read outdoors.
Reasons I was considering not upgrading:
Note2 can support all the note3 software. We just have to wait for Samsung to release it. Or androiders to kang the note3 rom.
Am happy with 720p display. I have quite good eyesight, with corrected vision (short sighted) and I never feel my Note2 needs more pixels on the screen. A better sensor in the camera for low light would be nice but the camera is good for casual shots.
Camera already good enough.
NFC antenna. I like the NFC antenna not being part of the battery so I can use Anker third party battery which gives as good as OEM battery.
S-Pen already good enough fine. I got used to the only minor nuisance that the off-screen capacitive buttons couldn't sense the pen.
CPU already fast enough.
802.11ac wifi. I don't have anything which supports super high speed wifi. I'd end up buying an 11ac access point, then would want to upgrade my laptop wifi card too.
Besides, 802.11a/n is faster than my broadband at home. And at work we don't even have 802.11a.
I too have the Note 2 (international) and the AT&T Note 3... I can say that if you don't have an upgrade available it definitely IS NOT worth paying full retail price for the phone. I signed a new 2 year agreement to get it for $288.88 and I can turn around and sell my Note 2 for $350-400 easily making my money back...
The pros with the Note 3 are that the screen is absolutely beautiful! Besides the S4 this is the most amazing screen I have ever seen with my own eyes. Next, comes the software. There's a lot of new small changes that make things easier to use, however most of these things will be coming to a Note 2 via an update. If you're into aesthetics then this device looks more "premium" over a Note 2 and I almost don't want to cover it with a case.
As far as performance goes, you can notice it slightly. Apps open faster, but it could be due to the increase in screen sensitivity also. TouchWiz eats up over 1 gig of ram leaving a little more than 1 gig free for user apps. On my note 2 with my custom rom I would use about 600mb of ram leaving a litle more than 1 gig free also. No improvements here.
Some buggy things I've noticed so far is that my text vibration is very weak compared to others such as email. Also every app gives me a vibration alert even if I turned it off.
There's a lot of bloat on here even for a carrier phone. Most of it is from Samsung it seems.
Besides the few "pros" I see with the Note 3, I would not recommend anyone to purchase it over a Note 2 unless you have an upgrade you can use. Especially an AT&T one with a locked bootloader, which forces you to keep all these useless apps running on your phone.
LDDR3 and USB3 better than note2
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LDDR3 and USB3 better than note2
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is it real world performance?
i dont know what is real world performance.but
when i playing flac music and browsing pictures,note2 get lags.
with leaked 4.3
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Leaked 4.3 is not final. Also I hope you flashed Wanam or such 4.3 based ROMs, not just 4.3 as it is. Either way pretty sure it's Touchwizlag.
mazdamiata210 said:
I too have the Note 2 (international) and the AT&T Note 3... I can say that if you don't have an upgrade available it definitely IS NOT worth paying full retail price for the phone. I signed a new 2 year agreement to get it for $288.88 and I can turn around and sell my Note 2 for $350-400 easily making my money back...
The pros with the Note 3 are that the screen is absolutely beautiful! Besides the S4 this is the most amazing screen I have ever seen with my own eyes. Next, comes the software. There's a lot of new small changes that make things easier to use, however most of these things will be coming to a Note 2 via an update. If you're into aesthetics then this device looks more "premium" over a Note 2 and I almost don't want to cover it with a case.
As far as performance goes, you can notice it slightly. Apps open faster, but it could be due to the increase in screen sensitivity also. TouchWiz eats up over 1 gig of ram leaving a little more than 1 gig free for user apps. On my note 2 with my custom rom I would use about 600mb of ram leaving a litle more than 1 gig free also. No improvements here.
Some buggy things I've noticed so far is that my text vibration is very weak compared to others such as email. Also every app gives me a vibration alert even if I turned it off.
There's a lot of bloat on here even for a carrier phone. Most of it is from Samsung it seems.
Besides the few "pros" I see with the Note 3, I would not recommend anyone to purchase it over a Note 2 unless you have an upgrade you can use. Especially an AT&T one with a locked bootloader, which forces you to keep all these useless apps running on your phone.
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this very well note 3, but I see exorbitant price
There is nothing worth here to give up $450 to trade in my Note II ($850-$400), mine is so fast and so optimised for my needs that will skip the Note 3 for the next one, for me that's the end of the story.
pageniao said:
i dont know what is real world performance.but
when i playing flac music and browsing pictures,note2 get lags.
with leaked 4.3
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Note 3 lags too (stutters ) when ......
playing flac: (44khz, 16bit, 23.35mb) and browsing pictures ( gallery, slideshow )
After 4.3 leak install, my note 2 doesn't have any microlag.
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fixfox2 said:
Note 3 lags too (stutters ) when ......
playing flac: (44khz, 16bit, 23.35mb) and browsing pictures ( gallery, slideshow )
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what player are you using for playing flac?
if i may ask
spiderio said:
what player are you using for playing flac?
if i may ask
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the default music player
Hi guys, I am looking to purchase either a Note 4, or Note 5. I have read up on Note 4 reviews and people say it tends to lag, specially the gaming it lags. Is that fixed in the lollipop update? or the lag is still ther?
YPG70 said:
Hi guys, I am looking to purchase either a Note 4, or Note 5. I have read up on Note 4 reviews and people say it tends to lag, specially the gaming it lags. Is that fixed in the lollipop update? or the lag is still ther?
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No I disagree with the rumour. I used to play games in stock lollipop rom without having lag issue with games under 100mb. Not sure with 'heavy' games..
YPG70 said:
Hi guys, I am looking to purchase either a Note 4, or Note 5. I have read up on Note 4 reviews and people say it tends to lag, specially the gaming it lags. Is that fixed in the lollipop update? or the lag is still ther?
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Don't understand the question tbh. If all you're looking for is a lag free and snappy phone, go for the Note 5! It has better hardware.
WanJ said:
No I disagree with the rumour. I used to play games in stock lollipop rom without having lag issue with games under 100mb. Not sure with 'heavy' games..
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have you tested Asphalt 8 like games
Yes I did installed some 3D games & there were just fine. I'm using exynos version. Go for snapdragon note 4 or 5 for better gaming experience
Hi,
I've installed Final Fantasy 9 on my new s7 edge.
The game worked perfectly on my htc one m9.
On the samsung s7 edge, there is no lag but the game is slow.
The game is not running at its normal speed and it's very boring....
So, on HTC one m9 I got Snapdragon 810.
The Exynos should do better. The GPU too. But the screen is larger (QHD vs HD).
Maybe the GPU is no powerful enough to display this game on QHD screen ?
Do you see this on this game ? On other games ?
(I try eco mode, with 30FPS and low screen resolution. The same)
Sorry to hear :/
But working smooth on my G935F, at any mode and also with or without game tools (thought it may be related to it).
No issues with G935F btu fw
Tatawi said:
Hi,
I've installed Final Fantasy 9 on my new s7 edge.
The game worked perfectly on my htc one m9.
On the samsung s7 edge, there is no lag but the game is slow.
The game is not running at its normal speed and it's very boring....
So, on HTC one m9 I got Snapdragon 810.
The Exynos should do better. The GPU too. But the screen is larger (QHD vs HD).
Maybe the GPU is no powerful enough to display this game on QHD screen ?
Do you see this on this game ? On other games ?
(I try eco mode, with 30FPS and low screen resolution. The same)
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This probably has less to do with the actual GPU and more to do with whether the game is optimized. Remember this phone has a killer GPU and utilizes Vulcan API. I doubt this phone is lagging behind the M9, I had both btw. Wish you luck.
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h3ck said:
This probably has less to do with the actual GPU and more to do with whether the game is optimized. Remember this phone has a killer GPU and utilizes Vulcan API. I doubt this phone is lagging behind the M9, I had both btw. Wish you luck.
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Even while your point with optimization is probably true, the device is shipped with vulcan api support, the games have to utilize it otherwise it simply isn't used but plain opengl (es) instead.
No issue here. Samsung Galaxy S7 Edge - G935F - UK - Exynos
Tectas said:
Even while your point with optimization is probably true, the device is shipped with vulcan api support, the games have to utilize it otherwise it simply isn't used but plain opengl (es) instead.
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Good point, but I guess the real point I wanted to make is that this phone Def has better hardware. This is definitely a software issue.
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I have the G930F and I'm experiencing issues as well. I installed pew pew 2 and it lags compared to my HTC M9. I'd say it runs at 15-20 FPS compared to previously on the M9 where is super fluid.
Same feeling with SmashHit and Worms...
Any thoughts?
Solved.
Family from XDA, good day,
I'm from Mexico and I've been using many different roms for my S7 EDGE.
I've installed the NL one, the Germany one, and some others and the one that fix my lag in games is the one from UK.
Yesterday night I've installed the official UK ROM and my games are working a LOT BETTER.
Do you know this silly game called BBTAN? Well, that thing was SO LAGGY in my S7 EDGE, and at the same time it was running smoothly in a Galaxy CORE 2 (YEAH, can you believe it?).
Well, this is the fix for me, and I hope is the one for you all.
areshernandez said:
Family from XDA, good day,
I'm from Mexico and I've been using many different roms for my S7 EDGE.
I've installed the NL one, the Germany one, and some others and the one that fix my lag in games is the one from UK.
Yesterday night I've installed the official UK ROM and my games are working a LOT BETTER.
Do you know this silly game called BBTAN? Well, that thing was SO LAGGY in my S7 EDGE, and at the same time it was running smoothly in a Galaxy CORE 2 (YEAH, can you believe it?).
Well, this is the fix for me, and I hope is the one for you all.
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i have the same issue its all about game launcher.. if is on battery saver tha game seems slow
Hi,
Does anyone feel that s8 plus is considered very laggy compare to Pixel XL? i bought S8 plus and had been using XL for past 5 months. til today with multiple app installed, there is no lag. app launch and app drawer is so smooth and no lag. but using S8 the animation does not seems smooth. especially when using secure folder.
hopefully a patch will resolve all these issues.
what is puzzling me is all the reviews i read says touchwiz is much better and very smooth. i beg to differ.
angka8 said:
Hi,
Does anyone feel that s8 plus is considered very laggy compare to Pixel XL? i bought S8 plus and had been using XL for past 5 months. til today with multiple app installed, there is no lag. app launch and app drawer is so smooth and no lag. but using S8 the animation does not seems smooth. especially when using secure folder.
hopefully a patch will resolve all these issues.
what is puzzling me is all the reviews i read says touchwiz is much better and very smooth. i beg to differ.
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I had the regular Pixel. Don't find any extra lag on the Exynos S8+ than I had on the Pixel. In fact, while the Pixel was lag city on apps like Instagram and Facebook and scrolled like it was being punched in the gut every time it tried to scroll rendering it stutter city, the S8+ seems to smooth everything out so aside from a little delay here or there when my wifi is slow, it's buttery.
At least wifi and bluetooth works properly on the S8+. Back to 200+Mbps connection from the 80ish on the pixel due to 5Ghz band being fubar.
Im seeing a trend with lag and the Snapdragon version of the s8.
I used a Pixel XL since November and I got the S8+ on release day. I have not noticed any lag with the S8+.
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I used a Pixel XL since November and I got the S8+ on release day. I have not noticed any lag with the S8+.
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No lag no frame drops and awesome battery life... I've had it(s8 plus) since 4/19 and surprisingly no hiccups I've been walking on egg shells hoping and praying MY s8 plus doesn't lag when ever I use it...and I'm relieved that its been a smooth ride so far...just waiting on my full two months to see if this beast slows down...fingers are crossed as I know the history of Sammy phones
I also remembered this morning on my way to work about the Pixel XL and Bluetooth. While connected by Bluetooth in my truck on the Pixel after receiving a call I would have to disconnect and reconnect it to get my music to play. Using the S8+ Bluetooth works flawlessly all the time.
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Im seeing a trend with lag and the Snapdragon version of the s8.
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Yes exactly.
The exynos versions are always faster and have better battery life. The difference between snapdragon and Exynos on the note 7 was significant. Now that ive had a snap S8 and have a exynos on the way Im sure I will see the same thing
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