Hi ! Someone know anything about it ? Asus gonna release Android Marshmallow on Zenfone 2, and the GPU (PowerVR G6430) is compatible with this new api but do you think they gonna release this update with last build of android with Vulkan ? (Google announced this API will be compatible Marshmallow.)
Vulkan really increase performances with our GPU (PowerVR G6430) :
And a technical demo (real time) of vulkan on smartphones with Unreal Engine 4 :
No, asus has never been good with optimizing gpu,camera
But they are changing , who knows. , well if 820 also supports it, because s7 has it why does not lg g5 and mi5 have it.
Either its quite new to do developers or they aint interested in it
Wow, that demo video is jaw dropping. It's incredible what mobile devices are capable of these days.
I hope this happend
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android lover 2000 said:
No, asus has never been good with optimizing gpu,camera
But they are changing , who knows. , well if 820 also supports it, because s7 has it why does not lg g5 and mi5 have it.
Either its quite new to do developers or they aint interested in it
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Only the U.S. version on s7 has the 820 everyone else will be using the exynox chip
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Exynos is just hyped overloaded trash. No CPU documentation No SRC is worthless to us XDA users. Even QSD820 can barely make the AOSP or CM make work properly..Oh and the Bootloader, It's got a chastity belt from samhell...
I suppose this opens up a lot more for smartphones in terms of graphic capabilities, hope soon I will be able to play a ported version of Star Wars Battlefront 2 on my phone (yeah I could use the PSP version but that version of the game sucks).
And yes more than likely Vulkan support is coming in the Marshmallow update.
hi, I'm very interested in everything about vulkan since i could see some videos about it. But my knowledge about api, android and rom's is not that good, so i would thank you if i could get some answers.
1 - Is this implementation of API a work for ASUS or Intel?
2 - Since i saw that PowerVR Rogue has now SDK(i dont know what it is) for Vulkan, Is ANYONE able to make a custom rom that could use Vulkan?
3 - I've heard that Android N will have native support for Vulkan. Does it mean that if i download a custom rom, like a cyanogenmod, for Android N to my Zenfone 2 i will have the benefits of using Vulkan?
4 - Does anyone know if that Galasy S7 that had 135k+ on antutu was using Vulkan? Because my Zenfone 2 is a great phone and only scores 65k, it's scary to thing that a S7 should have more than the double of hardware capacity that my Zenfone has. I thing that should be because of vulkan, but i need to hear it from someone who knows what's talking.
I hope to get answers for this questions. Thank you all.
davidmpereira said:
hi, I'm very interested in everything about vulkan since i could see some videos about it. But my knowledge about api, android and rom's is not that good, so i would thank you if i could get some answers.
1 - Is this implementation of API a work for ASUS or Intel?
2 - Since i saw that PowerVR Rogue has now SDK(i dont know what it is) for Vulkan, Is ANYONE able to make a custom rom that could use Vulkan?
3 - I've heard that Android N will have native support for Vulkan. Does it mean that if i download a custom rom, like a cyanogenmod, for Android N to my Zenfone 2 i will have the benefits of using Vulkan?
4 - Does anyone know if that Galasy S7 that had 135k+ on antutu was using Vulkan? Because my Zenfone 2 is a great phone and only scores 65k, it's scary to thing that a S7 should have more than the double of hardware capacity that my Zenfone has. I thing that should be because of vulkan, but i need to hear it from someone who knows what's talking.
I hope to get answers for this questions. Thank you all.
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1) Both Asus need intel to update graphics drivers to implement Vulkan
2) Nope still need drivers
3) This means it's implemented but not compatible with every phone running N version as SoC makers and OEMs need to update the source code
4) Galaxy s7 is superior in any way to zenfone 2 this means gpu and cpu. Vulkan api will start working only on some games if implemented if the devs don't use vulkan api then this means no visual/performance upgrade.
ElmirBuljubasic said:
1) Both Asus need intel to update graphics drivers to implement Vulkan
2) Nope still need drivers
3) This means it's implemented but not compatible with every phone running N version as SoC makers and OEMs need to update the source code
4) Galaxy s7 is superior in any way to zenfone 2 this means gpu and cpu. Vulkan api will start working only on some games if implemented if the devs don't use vulkan api then this means no visual/performance upgrade.
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Thank you! So i doubt we will use Vulkan at Zenfone 2 =/
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Thank you! So i doubt we will use Vulkan at Zenfone 2 =/
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Our GPU is fully compatible, it's up to manufactures to include it other wise it's gonna be really hard for CM Mantainers to include it even partially.
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I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
I'm going with the SD 600 because Qualcomm is very good at providing the source code for ROM development.
There really isn't going to be a huge difference in performance. The Exynos is slightly more powerful and comes with a Wolfson audio chip, but you're going to be limited to stock roms and incomplete AOSP roms until Samsung decides to release the source code. So if you plan to stay stock, get the Exynos. If you want AOSP roms, go with the Qualcomm.
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I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
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I would heavily suggest the Qualcomm version. Snapdragons always seem to be snappier compared to other cpus, even though it has less cores. Speed and performance will be extremely similar, you shouldn't notice a difference between the two. The main reason to choose the Snapdragon is for the developer support. It will receive WAY more support as source code is always provided.
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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What is this source code that always gets brought up when talking about developer support. Like what exactly is it? Is it something hard to do that Samsung can't do with Exynos. Please tell me. Thanks
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The "Source Code" as he is talking about is for the exerynos chip sets. They are Closed Source Drivers that Samsung uses/makes. They have never released source code for the exerynos. So for developers who modify the operating system to use MAINLY AOSP type builds they have to basically create their own drivers to get them working partially and quite often they do not perform as well as some if the hardware when using a Samsung based ROM that they were made for. The exerynos is awesome but it frustrated MANY developers to not want to bother trying to get things working any longer for the phones with exerynos due to the lack of documentation of the drivers source code Samsung made. I am sure I am not totally correct here with some of the terms and it probably could be stated better. This is just my layman's take on the issue...
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Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
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I am really, really stuck in which S4 to buy, the Exynos octa core or the quad core snapdragon?
Which is better for everyday tasks?
Which is better for gaming (I am an avid gaming fan)? Is the powervr sxg544mp3 or adreno 320 better?
Speed, browsing and real world performance?
Finally, any suggestions on Roms and development on the phones?
Much appreaciated, thank you.
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For now gaming would be better on exynos variant ,for development s600.
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Anas553 said:
Thanks everyone for all the replies. Looks like I'll be getting the snapdragon version then but will it run graphically intensifying games smoothly and with no choppiness?
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Yes. It is one of the most powerful processors you can get now. For me though, the deciding factor between the two is battery life. If the BIG.LITRLE architecture works as promised and delivers amazing battery life while doing things like watching videos and browsing the Web, I9500 will be the one I'm aiming for.
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So for several month now there weren't any news on the project to reverse engineer the MALI 400 GPU driver , and I was getting worried that the project is slowing down. Thankfully today Luc , the main dev , has released a progress update on his blog. Things are looking good and es2gears runs now on the Exynos SoC. WIth the Open Source camera stack just finished and work happening on Open RIL our little platform is getting more and more open source friendly ... no thanks to Samsung though.
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So for several month now there weren't any news on the project to reverse engineer the MALI 400 GPU driver , and I was getting worried that the project is slowing down. Thankfully today Luc , the main dev , has released a progress update on his blog. Things are looking good and es2gears runs now on the Exynos SoC. WIth the Open Source camera stack just finished and work happening on Open RIL our little platform is getting more and more open source friendly ... no thanks to Samsung though.
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Sorry, I got a few rookie idea of what this is, how important it is and what could be done with that new light shed on our "code-less" Note 2's path.. However, it would be perfect if you could explain what benefits would/could come from this more specifically to us "users" :good:
For example we know that our Mali 400s have perfect fill rate power (more than Adreno 320) however they get destroyed when it comes to triangle outputs. So the future games -like the ones with Unreal Engine or Asphalt 7 for the best example- could be some trouble for our devices. Would LIMA find a cure to this?
I want to know the answer too because the Mali 400 have bad triangle performance and if there is way to fix it it will be great.
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This is a project to reverse engineer the closed source binary driver for the Mali 400 GPU. That means we won't be dependent on the binary blobs anymore once this project matures enough. Will it have better performance then the closed source one , I don't know as things are still in their early stages. Though from the look of things it's quite possible that it will perform better.
Ugh. GPU drivers are one thing I doubt we will see any dramatic improvement upon by crowdsourced efforts. We can hope for adoption of new standards possibly, but overall this is about games and the 12,000 different android devices have made fragmentation our enemy more than our own drivers. The GPU on the Note 2 will be the first bottleneck that forces gamers to jump ship, the 720p screen still has legs and there is plenty of power to spare for everything else.
Does the lack of 64bit make much of a difference for between now and 2016 spring where I'll most probably get my next phone after this note? Will it take some time for 64bit to really be widespread in terms of apps and games and software etc which would make it ok to get this note provided I upgrade again in 2016?
According to anandtech, the Exynos version might have a 64bit capable architecture (Cortex A57), but the chip's drivers and firmware run in a CAL mode (32-bit compatibility mode). This means that while it benefits from some of the performance and power saving features of A57, it won't be running 64bit code.
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According to anandtech, the Exynos version might have a 64bit capable architecture (Cortex A57), but the chip's drivers and firmware run in a CAL mode (32-bit compatibility mode). This means that while it benefits from some of the performance and power saving features of A57, it won't be running 64bit code.
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Same as Snapdragon 410 devices launched. No 64bit code because Android 4.4.4 can't run 64bit but Android L will.
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Same as Snapdragon 410 devices launched. No 64bit code because Android 4.4.4 can't run 64bit but Android L will.
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The anandtech article: http://www.anandtech.com/show/8537/samsungs-exynos-5433-is-an-a57a53-arm-soc
It seems to imply that this was never meant to be a 64bit SoC, and may not ever run in 64bit mode (at least without some hacking), even with Android L.
They share their opinion. I checked HTC Desire 510 have snapdragon 410 too. In source code doesn't have AArch64 implement too. But it doesn't mean an update with android L won't bring implement AArch64.
Anandtech think Exynos 5433 is 32 bit and they are total wrong. Now they can wrong too.
Exynos 5433 with AArch64 at first is line up Exynos 6 but they don't want Snapdragon chipset can't sell-out when people want Exynos chipset. The very same story with Snapdragon and Exynos in Galaxy S4/S5 and Note 4.
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Does the lack of 64bit make much of a difference for between now and 2016 spring where I'll most probably get my next phone after this note? Will it take some time for 64bit to really be widespread in terms of apps and games and software etc which would make it ok to get this note provided I upgrade again in 2016?
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I think some people answered your question but not fully lol. Simply put this whole argument over 64-bit and 32-bit is kind of pointless. As others have stated the exynos version isn't even running in 64 bit mode. Android L has yet to be released and there is no way of telling if it can be put into 64 bit mode. Even if it could, if you decide to get a snapdragon note now, you will be good. Most apps will not be 64 bit compatible out of the gate, and will take some time for them to be so. You will not experience any major loss in performance, and maybe someslight difference in battery life. Hell my nexus 5 on Android L developer preview which isn't even finalized runs AMAZING in comparison to kit kat, and in no way shape or form is the nexus 5 64 bit compatible. Don't let 64-bit fanboys sway your decision on an exynos vs snapdragon note 4. They both will be powerhouses with android L. By 2016 for your next upgrade there will be plenty of 64 bit phones, especially the S6 at that time, and the Note 5 in the fall.
It will be years until 64bit is widely accepted and used so you'll be okay. I'm basing this off of the windows transition which is still occurring after all these years.
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It will be years until 64bit is widely accepted and used so you'll be okay. I'm basing this off of the windows transition which is still occurring after all these years.
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People get new phone every 18 months on average, I would imagine people hold on to computers for much longer, so analogy to windows regarding transition is probably wrong. Another example for disparity would be OS updates, Google has 2-3 updates of Android a year, where MS would be every 2-3 years?
Also the newest ARM architecture is probably 20-40% faster (per clock) and Google has a chance to write more efficient OS (like replacing JIT with ART for example). So I'm willing to predict that transition to 64 bit will be much faster for the phones than it is with computers. Of course all this depends on translating theoretical gains into real life advantages , if they don't show up due to poor execution, then all bets are off.
Yesterday I bought Iphone 4, difference is very very big
I don't know how but
Iphone is from 2010. have 512mb of ram. 1Ghz A9 processor.
Our L7 is from 2012. Have 512mb too, and 1Ghz A5 processor.
Iphone is very very smooth,fast I run a lot of apps and there is no lags.
What is that why our L7 lag sometimes, and not responding???
Need someone who know
I know that Apple have too expensive chipset and better quality. But how???
I will be very gratefull if some people view this thread.
@ALEX.IMER He did everything for our devices
@skyinfo because he know everything about kernels, and maybe he knows how to reslove this. @Plamb1r he make scripts without problems :3
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Yesterday I bought Iphone 4, difference is very very big
I don't know how but
Iphone is from 2010. have 512mb of ram. 1Ghz A9 processor.
Our L7 is from 2012. Have 512mb too, and 1Ghz A5 processor.
Iphone is very very smooth,fast I run a lot of apps and there is no lags.
What is that why our L7 lag sometimes, and not responding???
Need someone who know
I know that Apple have too expensive chipset and better quality. But how???
I will be very gratefull if some people view this thread.
@ALEX.IMER He did everything for our devices
@skyinfo because he know everything about kernels, and maybe he knows how to reslove this. @Plamb1r he make scripts without problems :3
@Asce1062
@-CALIBAN666-
@F4uzan
Sorry if I forgot someone.
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a different OS closed to some device will be more optimized and screen/colors can give a different aspect to your eyes
Cortex A9 is more powerful than a Cortex A5.
According to ARM , CPU's in ascending order with regard to computation power are :
Cortex Family : A5,A7,A9,A15
I think its because of the runtime and the way thay ios manage the ram with apps, idk im just supposing
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4Freedom said:
a different OS closed to some device will be more optimized and screen/colors can give a different aspect to your eyes
Cortex A9 is more powerful than a Cortex A5.
According to ARM , CPU's in ascending order with regard to computation power are :
Cortex Family : A5,A7,A9,A15
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Neperpika said:
I think its because of the runtime and the way thay ios manage the ram with apps, idk im just supposing
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Idk I think iOS is lightweigh works pretty fast.
I want L7 to work good. Android is much better than iOS, i don't like it.
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Idk I think iOS is lightweigh works pretty fast.
I want L7 to work good. Android is much better than iOS, i don't like it.
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They are two different systems each one has its advantages and disadvantages
Remember that android apps run over a "virtual" machine java based than iOS apps are directly executed.
Different performance has always been noticed throught benchmark test, but android must be shared to thousand of different devices a single virtual machine rappresent the easier way.
Android is a bit improved with ART runtime...
This is the main difference explained in few lines
@4Freedom has explained better than me
Any way, you know Apple. iPhone 4 is a top end phone whereas L5 is low/mid end..
And we all know apple provides top quality stuff!
And I think iOS is more optimized than android! That explains the smoothness..
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So... another iOS vs Android, huh ?
Let me explain this clearly
1.) iOS programs are launched via a sandbox, but not via 'emulator' like Android . Which is an exact point why does iOS is faster at app executing BUT not at multi tasking.
2.) iOS is well optimized for one type of phone ; iPhone. But, Android is mainly universal so it's clearly explained that Android isn't optimized for ALL of its device.
That's all I know
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So... another iOS vs Android, huh ?
Let me explain this clearly
1.) iOS programs are launched via a sandbox, but not via 'emulator' like Android . Which is an exact point why does iOS is faster at app executing BUT not at multi tasking.
2.) iOS is well optimized for one type of phone ; iPhone. But, Android is mainly universal so it's clearly explained that Android isn't optimized for ALL of its device.
That's all I know
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Hello my friend I don't see you for a long time thanks for reply. I understand there is 8 versions of Iphone 3G,3GS,4,4S,5,5S,6 and 6+ and other idk and there is a milion of phones which run android. I understand
Thanks for reply.
hello I have asked reference to the exynos variant I have this device bought in the hope that I can play all my emulators and games but late found that the cpu not grade and how it is suitable ... after a small recerche it means in the net the drivers bugs or the architecture of the snapdarong cpus have a buffer that makes everything a bit smoother ..
my question is ! have the drivers been improved in the oreo update?
I would root this device before s8 + rooted there is a possibility to pick anything from the processor kernel etc ...?
what is possible ?
I'm from Germany and do not know how I can exchange a snapdragon varinat the device is new and has full warranty just stupid what samsung has done there.
maby someone would trade his snapdragon variant * lol anyway pls answer what is possible ? ty
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hello I have asked reference to the exynos variant I have this device bought in the hope that I can play all my emulators and games but late found that the cpu not grade and how it is suitable ... after a small recerche it means in the net the drivers bugs or the architecture of the snapdarong cpus have a buffer that makes everything a bit smoother ..
my question is ! have the drivers been improved in the oreo update?
I would root this device before s8 + rooted there is a possibility to pick anything from the processor kernel etc ...?
what is possible ?
I'm from Germany and do not know how I can exchange a snapdragon varinat the device is new and has full warranty just stupid what samsung has done there.
maby someone would trade his snapdragon variant * lol anyway pls answer what is possible ? ty
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I don't use emulators much but I do know Samsung are using the newest driver for its mali gpu, in normal heavy 3d gameplay it's made a difference, I'm just not sure how it will affect emulators
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I don't use emulators much but I do know Samsung are using the newest driver for its mali gpu, in normal heavy 3d gameplay it's made a difference, I'm just not sure how it will affect emulators
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hey thank you for ur reply ! ye i did see that on a post with newest driver, had before a discussion bout the a playstation 2 emulator and some guys sayd the exynos is 50 percent slower as the SD 335 still dolphin emulator is very nice to play on the SD just want to know if the update doesnt effect like excepted * what can i do else ....
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hey thank you for ur reply ! ye i did see that on a post with newest driver, had before a discussion bout the a playstation 2 emulator and some guys sayd the exynos is 50 percent slower as the SD 335 still dolphin emulator is very nice to play on the SD just want to know if the update doesnt effect like excepted * what can i do else ....
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I think the most you could do is run a custom kernel, this will allow a slightly higher gpu overclock, but of course taking into account if you are willing to trip knox