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Hi all,
For those of us who's hopes have been dashed, fire OS 5 is leaving us in it's dust.
3rd gen 7" HDX's - I have one lying here - never been rooted or modified thus far.
What advice would members give. What options do I have other than selling it on or dumping it?
Is it time to return it for store credit (had 2 yr warranty - freezes occasionally) or are there roms out there that make it worth keeping?
I am a newbie - and it's the news that we are to be denied this update that is the cause of these questions.
I think many owners will be looking for options - and will really benefit from a discussion on this.
Any views/ideas/comments welcome.
CM
Capt Morpheous said:
Hi all,
For those of us who's hopes have been dashed, fire OS 5 is leaving us in it's dust.
3rd gen 7" HDX's - I have one lying here - never been rooted or modified thus far.
What advice would members give. What options do I have other than selling it on or dumping it?
Is it time to return it for store credit (had 2 yr warranty - freezes occasionally) or are there roms out there that make it worth keeping?
I am a newbie - and it's the news that we are to be denied this update that is the cause of these questions. I many might benefit from a discussion on this.
Any views/ideas/comments welcome.
CM
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Best option (IMO) is a rollback to 4.5.2 (via 3.2.8), root, install Safestrap v4 and then flash CM11 or Nexus v4 replacing FireOS v4. Yields a 'pure' android tablet with high end specs and full access to the Play Store. Trumps FireOS 5 but a wide margin which I like too. Possible other Safestrap compatible roms might become available now the FireOS upgrade path is known.
I suspect that sending out the message that the 7" HDX 3rd gen will be getting the fire OS 5 update, then apologising and saying 'actually it won't' - will help (accidentally of course) drive sales of newer units.
Currently my device says - OS firmware 4.5.5.
I have heard that a 4.5.5.1 update has been released. Some are speculating it could be an anti-rollback update - in which case rooting could get much more difficult.
For those of us just getting to grips with the situation - how do we block OTA update to 4.5.5.1. If it has already been downloaded awaiting a reboot to install, how can we block that too?
Capt Morpheous said:
I suspect that sending out the message that the 7" HDX 3rd gen will be getting the fire OS 5 update, then apologising and saying 'actually it won't' - will help (accidentally of course) drive sales of newer units.
Currently my device says - OS firmware 4.5.5.
I have heard that a 4.5.5.1 update has been released. Some are speculating it could be an anti-rollback update - in which case rooting could get much more difficult.
For those of us just getting to grips with the situation - how do we block OTA update to 4.5.5.1. If it has already been downloaded awaiting a reboot to install, how can we block that too?
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You can not effectively block OTA updates without rooting which requires a modestly complex (and risky) rollback to 3.2.8 followed by an upgrade to 4.5.2. Safestrap v4 and two non-FireOS roms are also options once on 4.5.2.
I say 'effectively' as there are other methods for holding back OTAs such as IP address blocking or temporarily stopping services via clever use of adb commands on unrooted devices. Neither is convenient or 100% effective.
If an update has been downloaded and waiting to install you *may* be able to see and erase it from internal storage when you device is tethered to a host. Look for a. bin file containing the word 'update'.
Really appreciate the input.
Can I please ask for a list of ip's to block.
We can enter them into our router ip blocking fields.
Capt Morpheous said:
Really appreciate the input.
Can I please ask for a list of ip's to block.
We can enter them into our router ip blocking fields.
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Amazon rotates IPs. That's why IP blocking is only a temporary solution. I have long since lost track of what IPs are currently being used to distribute updates.
BTW - IP rotation is a common load balancing technique. It has nothing to do with trying to circumvent user blocks.
I would now update to 4.5.5.1, root with Kingroot, add Safestrap 4.01, and load the stable Nexus 4.05 rom. that is what I did with my 7" hdx. all can be done within minutes (just be sure to read over the forums for complete instruction if you have not custom rom'd before). runs buttery smooth and brings new life to an awesome tablet. these dev's here are amazing and willing to share their talents for the community.
I am other thor owners - really appreciate the input on this thread.
It's clear that the community suggest putting a custom rom on this device - since amazon have retired it.
For those of us who are newbies:
1. Which rom is seen as the most appropriate for this device (stability / security).
2. What functions/abilities would we have to give up (e.g screen mirroring or so on) by moving to a custom rom (ignore mayday)?
Capt Morpheous said:
I am other thor owners - really appreciate the input on this thread.
It's clear that the community suggest putting a custom rom on this device - since amazon have retired it.
For those of us who are newbies:
1. Which rom is seen as the most appropriate for this device (stability / security).
2. What functions/abilities would we have to give up (e.g screen mirroring or so on) by moving to a custom rom (ignore mayday)?
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At present the only (Safestrap v4 compatible) rom choices are CM11 and Nexus v4. Both are mature, feature complete and stable. No Lollipop or Marshmallow variants. You gain much a give up little moving away from FireOS v4 as most proprietary functionality can be duplicated via official Amazon apps. Kindle book lending, Amazon's take on parental controls and Mayday are the only capabilities that can't be immediately duplicated. If dissatisfied you can always return to FireOS.
Fire OS 5 on 3rd gen
Is there any way to get fireos 5 on kindle fire hdx 7?
I wanna get one lol
KoreanAmerican said:
Is there any way to get fireos 5 on kindle fire hdx 7?
I wanna get one lol
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No. All HDX 7" models (thor) are 3rd gen which will not receive an automatic update to FireOS v5. Whether v5 it can be adapted to run on 3rd gen devices is unknown. Source has only been recently released. Since the bootloader remains locked on the vast majority of HDX devices a 'helper' environment such as Safestrap will be needed. None exist as of this writing.
Are You Like Me?
Have you remained Vigilant.. and kept your 7x a Virgin?
Untouched by the rough hands of another country's software.. resisting the unwanted pressures of your peers to unlock your chastity belt.. (A.K.A.) your bootloader.. to give in to what's been described as plethora of pleasure known as:
TWRP.. Root.. ROM's ( As Unstable As They Currently Are On The 7x )
Well..
I'm happy to say Gratification is just around the corner..
U.S.A. Variants ( BND-24) Versions of the 7x will recieve the "OFFICIAL AND 100% STABLE" release of EMUI / OREO 8.0 within the next 72 hours of this writing via an O.T.A. update from Honor.
I'm So Glad I Stayed Locked & Stock
Congratulations Honor!
You came through!!! :good:
RaiderWill said:
Are You Like Me?
Have you remained Vigilant.. and kept your 7x a Virgin?
Untouched by the rough hands of another country's software.. resisting the unwanted pressures of your peers to unlock your chastity belt.. (A.K.A.) your bootloader.. to give in to what's been described as plethora of pleasure known as:
TWRP.. Root.. ROM's ( As Unstable As They Currently Are On The 7x )
Well..
I'm happy to say Gratification is just around the corner..
U.S.A. Variants ( BND-24) Versions of the 7x will recieve the "OFFICIAL AND 100% STABLE" release of EMUI / OREO 8.0 within the next 72 hours of this writing via an O.T.A. update from Honor.
I'm So Glad I Stayed Locked & Stock
Congratulations Honor!
You came through!!! :good:
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Unlocking the bootloader has nothing to do with taking ota, flashing a custom recovery does. People that rooted would have problems with taking the ota.
You State The Obvious..
EnIXmA said:
Unlocking the bootloader has nothing to do with taking ota, flashing a custom recovery does. People that rooted would have problems with taking the ota.
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Who Unlocks Their Bootloader To Look At That Hidious Exclaimation Warning! Screen And Not Modify Their Device?
You State The Obvious.
Of Course You Blow Your O.T.A.'s..
And You Also Rush To Root... And Brick.. Based On How Many "HELP ME!" Threads Now Saturate The 7x Threads.
RaiderWill said:
Who Unlocks Their Bootloader To Look At That Hidious Exclaimation Warning! Screen And Not Modify Their Device?
You State The Obvious.
Of Course You Blow Your O.T.A.'s..
And You Also Rush To Root... And Brick.. Based On How Many "HELP ME!" Threads Now Saturate The 7x Threads.
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I just got this device. I was on here seeing if theres a way to unlock bootloader and return to factory later. Because I knew the Oreo was coming soon. That's great news. I thought it was coming in May. So I'll just chill and wait for ota for now. Will honor come through when it comes to letting us unlock out bootloader that is the question. Or are they just working on updating a faster bootloader unlock process for us?
A Suggestion...
allrockedout said:
I just got this device. I was on here seeing if theres a way to unlock bootloader and return to factory later. Because I knew the Oreo was coming soon. That's great news. I thought it was coming in May. So I'll just chill and wait for ota for now. Will honor come through when it comes to letting us unlock out bootloader that is the question. Or are they just working on updating a faster bootloader unlock process for us?
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Congrats On Purchasing A Fine Device...
LEAVE IT STOCK.
Take A Look Around The Threads..
Look at how many have bricked their 7x's
In Such A Hurry To Root... For What?
There Is Not A Stable Fully Functional Custom ROM Out There For The 7x.
There Are NO United States Of America FACTORY IMAGES Out There For The 7x.
You can eh.... Flash a Stock ROM from another country At Your Own Risk Of Course.
Have you stopped to ask yourself.. why Honor has not released Factory Images for this device.. that was announced in October of 2017 and released December 7th 2017 ?
People are actually PAYING services out there to recover their 7x's.... because they go down the rabbit hole and can't get out.
How Sad Is That...
You Were Wise To Stay Locked & Stock.. :good:
In about 60 hours you'll get your payoff..
Wait until Decryption is resolved before you Root.
Wait until a U.S.A. Factory Image is released before you Root.
You Can Do Everything With A STOCK 7x That You Can Do With A Rooted 7x
You don't need backups.... STOCK ROM'S DON'T CRASH... AND "FACTORY RESET IS YOUR BACKUP" when you don't root.
RaiderWill said:
Who Unlocks Their Bootloader To Look At That Hidious Exclaimation Warning! Screen And Not Modify Their Device?
You State The Obvious.
Of Course You Blow Your O.T.A.'s..
And You Also Rush To Root... And Brick.. Based On How Many "HELP ME!" Threads Now Saturate The 7x Threads.
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I did, so I don't have to lose my data once factory images are available and I decide to root it in the future.
Yeah exactly the same reason as the post above mine. I unlocked the bootloader the day I got the phone so that way when the time comes to do any rooting or modding I wouldn't have to wipe my phone and lose everything. And I've still received all the ota updates on the L24 thus far with the unlocked bootloader.
RaiderWill said:
Congrats On Purchasing A Fine Device...
LEAVE IT STOCK.
Take A Look Around The Threads..
Look at how many have bricked their 7x's
In Such A Hurry To Root... For What?
There Is Not A Stable Fully Functional Custom ROM Out There For The 7x.
There Are NO United States Of America FACTORY IMAGES Out There For The 7x.
You can eh.... Flash a Stock ROM from another country At Your Own Risk Of Course.
Have you stopped to ask yourself.. why Honor has not released Factory Images for this device.. that was announced in October of 2017 and released December 7th 2017 ?
People are actually PAYING services out there to recover their 7x's.... because they go down the rabbit hole and can't get out.
How Sad Is That...
You Were Wise To Stay Locked & Stock.. :good:
In about 60 hours you'll get your payoff..
Wait until Decryption is resolved before you Root.
Wait until a U.S.A. Factory Image is released before you Root.
You Can Do Everything With A STOCK 7x That You Can Do With A Rooted 7x
You don't need backups.... STOCK ROM'S DON'T CRASH... AND "FACTORY RESET IS YOUR BACKUP" when you don't root.
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Yeah but stock ROMs send your data to the Chinese government
str8stryk3r said:
Yeah exactly the same reason as the post above mine. I unlocked the bootloader the day I got the phone so that way when the time comes to do any rooting or modding I wouldn't have to wipe my phone and lose everything. And I've still received all the ota updates on the L24 thus far with the unlocked bootloader.
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Still can't believe they took down the BL unlock site.
Sent from my BND-L24 using Tapatalk
I Fully Understand Your Reasoning..
EnIXmA said:
I did, so I don't have to lose my data once factory images are available and I decide to root it in the future.
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It's A Logical Path To Pursue...
I have NO FAITH in Honor releasing Factory Images in the near future.
I think there is a "Method Behind The Madness"
Personally, my Android Data is all backed up in 2 places.. and it's all Android - Centric
I would NEVER do ANY personal business (Banking , Shopping Etc) on any Android device.
Especially an HUAWEI / HONOR device.. for all the reasons my Government has stated.
This is not a "Long-Term" solution phone for me personally.. It will be sold.. actually it would have already been sold, but I had $900.00 vehicle repair snatch my OnePlus 6 money right out of my hands..
This device was a Failure as far as gaining Developer support...
No Custom Kernels: "Franco's Kernel" oh if only... ( So why root.. You can't under / overvolt, swap governers, add features etc )
Even though Kernel Source was released 5 months ago.
It appears... Treble Ports are the way of the Future. I'm not complaining just stating facts.. ( I guess if I loved the 7x that much I would learn how to pack a Kernel for myself and use it..) but I don't love the 7x and it's Kirin Technology enough to do so.
This device will just never gain ground or love.. is hated by my government.. has the Un-popular ( For Developer's ) Kirin Processor and a weak GPu.
What it does have is Oreo 8.0 and Project Treble Support baked in.
Let's keep it shinny and in "Like-New" condition.. Pure Stock ( No Warning! Screens NEVER Modified in any way ) and ready to sell...
That's The Ticket.
So I'm unlocked rooted and running TWRP on my l24 does that mean I miss out on emui 8 or are there any Solutions
RaiderWill said:
It's A Logical Path To Pursue...
I have NO FAITH in Honor releasing Factory Images in the near future.
I think there is a "Method Behind The Madness"
Personally, my Android Data is all backed up in 2 places.. and it's all Android - Centric
I would NEVER do ANY personal business (Banking , Shopping Etc) on any Android device.
Especially an HUAWEI / HONOR device.. for all the reasons my Government has stated.
This is not a "Long-Term" solution phone for me personally.. It will be sold.. actually it would have already been sold, but I had $900.00 vehicle repair snatch my OnePlus 6 money right out of my hands..
This device was a Failure as far as gaining Developer support...
No Custom Kernels: "Franco's Kernel" oh if only... ( So why root.. You can't under / overvolt, swap governers, add features etc )
Even though Kernel Source was released 5 months ago.
It appears... Treble Ports are the way of the Future. I'm not complaining just stating facts.. ( I guess if I loved the 7x that much I would learn how to pack a Kernel for myself and use it..) but I don't love the 7x and it's Kirin Technology enough to do so.
This device will just never gain ground or love.. is hated by my government.. has the Un-popular ( For Developer's ) Kirin Processor and a weak GPu.
What it does have is Oreo 8.0 and Project Treble Support baked in.
Let's keep it shinny and in "Like-New" condition.. Pure Stock ( No Warning! Screens NEVER Modified in any way ) and ready to sell...
That's The Ticket.
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How long you think it'll take for treble to be active for this device? I'm considering updating to the beta so I can then use the RR rom but whats the point if I can just wait a few days to get official Oreo and then be all in with treble. I guess I don't fully understand what treble is nor it's immediate relation to this device.
carnivalrejectq said:
How long you think it'll take for treble to be active for this device? I'm considering updating to the beta so I can then use the RR rom but whats the point if I can just wait a few days to get official Oreo and then be all in with treble. I guess I don't fully understand what treble is nor it's immediate relation to this device.
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Treble will help get custom ROMs on our device faster. Just wait for official Oreo. Than we unlock bootloader. Wait for updated twrp with Oreo support. Than custom ROMs. Than would need treble support twrp. So we still have a ways to go for treble and custom ROMs. But we're getting close.
carnivalrejectq said:
How long you think it'll take for treble to be active for this device? I'm considering updating to the beta so I can then use the RR rom but whats the point if I can just wait a few days to get official Oreo and then be all in with treble. I guess I don't fully understand what treble is nor it's immediate relation to this device.
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This is a simplified explanation of how Treble works, or at least my simple understanding of it. Google requires any device shipping with Oreo to have the main OS reside in its own partition separate from the OEM vender stuff.
Is no one else going to comment on how crazy this guy is?
Why Wait ?
carnivalrejectq said:
How long you think it'll take for treble to be active for this device? I'm considering updating to the beta so I can then use the RR rom but whats the point if I can just wait a few days to get official Oreo and then be all in with treble. I guess I don't fully understand what treble is nor it's immediate relation to this device.
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Listen... You Don't Need To Wait For Anything...
I MAY BE 100% INCORRECT.. BUT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HUAWEI / HONOR HAS STOPPED THE ABILITY TO RETREIVE YOUR UNLOCK CODE (OFFICIALLY) FROM THEIR WEBSITE.
If True...
Do you know what that means?
It means... they MAY NOT enable the Vendor Partition in the OFFICIAL ( O.T.A. ) version of Oreo / EMUI 8.0 that will be released in about 48 hours from the time of this writing.
Without That Partition.... Project Treble is a NO GO.
In your case.. If all you want to do is run the ROM you mentioned, just use the Bootleg Method posted elsewhere in these threads to Unlock your bootloader.. Install one of these Unofficial TWRP's floating around... and install your ROM.
Done.
Why Wait?
For the Official Release of Oreo on Monday when all you are going to do is Overwrite it with a ROM posted elsewhere?
Sounds Like You Know What You Want...
Go For It.
Stock Oreo has NOTHING OF INTEREST for those that just want to flash Beta ROM's
Stock Oreo / EMUI 8.0 is for those of us that put 100% Stability and FULL Functionality First & Foremost..
I paid 100% of the Price for this Device.
I Personally.. Want 100% OF THE DEVICE'S SOFTWARE & FEATURES FUNCTIONAL...
At this point in the 7x's development... Only Stock EMUI provides that level of performance.
RaiderWill said:
Listen... You Don't Need To Wait For Anything...
I MAY BE 100% INCORRECT.. BUT, IT'S MY UNDERSTANDING THAT HUAWEI / HONOR HAS STOPPED THE ABILITY TO RETREIVE YOUR UNLOCK CODE (OFFICIALLY) FROM THEIR WEBSITE.
If True...
Do you know what that means?
It means... they MAY NOT enable the Vendor Partition in the OFFICIAL ( O.T.A. ) version of Oreo / EMUI 8.0 that will be released in about 48 hours from the time of this writing.
Without That Partition.... Project Treble is a NO GO.
In your case.. If all you want to do is run the ROM you mentioned, just use the Bootleg Method posted elsewhere in these threads to Unlock your bootloader.. Install one of these Unofficial TWRP's floating around... and install your ROM.
Done.
Why Wait?
For the Official Release of Oreo on Monday when all you are going to do is Overwrite it with a ROM posted elsewhere?
Sounds Like You Know What You Want...
Go For It.
Stock Oreo has NOTHING OF INTEREST for those that just want to flash Beta ROM's
Stock Oreo / EMUI 8.0 is for those of us that put 100% Stability and FULL Functionality First & Foremost..
I paid 100% of the Price for this Device.
I Personally.. Want 100% OF THE DEVICE'S SOFTWARE & FEATURES FUNCTIONAL...
At this point in the 7x's development... Only Stock EMUI provides that level of performance.
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I actually like EMUI. I'm just concerned about the whole Chinese government thing mostly lol.
monorail0 said:
Is no one else going to comment on how crazy this guy is?
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Haha yeah, and the extensive use of emojis really gets on the nerves.
carnivalrejectq said:
I actually like EMUI. I'm just concerned about the whole Chinese government thing mostly lol.
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If I Handled My Personal Business On A Cell Phone... I'd Be Concerned Too...
If all you have are Android Apps.... who cares.
That's a PERSONAL CHOICE as to how much of your life you trust to divulge to your cellular devices.
And Yeah... as far as features an the ability to Customize a Pure Stock device, EMUI Kicks Ass and Takes Names :good:
And it's Soooooo Stable and Smooth.. and has 10 TIMES the Developer Support for Customization of what you ACTUALLY interact with.. than those who worry about what the Developer - Unfriendly Kirin Engine is doing.
It Cracks Me Up how many have went Ape S*it trying to Root and have bricked.. then are like OH MY GOD! HELP ME!
Leave the Damn thing "STOCK" until the day you have REAL REGIONAL FIRMWARE available to you.. To Fix Your Boo-Boos.. And leave all these BOOTLEG methods starting to pop up left and right alone.
ahmad.o said:
Haha yeah, and the extensive use of emojis really gets on the nerves.
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Hey Ahmad...
Here is a way to avoid seeing my emo's
I ONLY POST IN "MY THREADS" WHEN IT COMES TO THE 7X... THERE IS NOTHING ELSE OF RELEVANCE HERE ANYMORE EVEN WORTHY OF MY TIME..
I'm sick of seeing " Help Me! My 7x has fallen and can't get up! " threads.
So you pretty much will not see RAIDERWILL & HIS EMO'S anywhere but in a thread he created.
SO AHMAD... JUST STAY AWAY FROM "A-N-Y" RAIDERWILL THREADS.... AND YOU'LL BE GOOD-TO-GO.
Why?
monorail0 said:
Is no one else going to comment on how crazy this guy is?
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Monorail ? :laugh: You Have A Singular Wit.
If I'm insane.... Then Why Are You Reading The Comments Of A Madman?
Have You Asked Yourself that mono....
I Don't Know.... Over 1/2 of all the comments I've ever made on XDA have been "Thanked" for being useful or insightful.
But... since you're *Correct* in your assessment of RAIDERWILL... I guess the 500 or so others were either just as insane as RAIDERWILL for giving him Acknowledgment with a " Thanks! " or simply don't possess your keen insight...
Or... could it be that.. ANYONE on this rock we refer to as Earth.. that has the Unmitigated Gall to Disagree with YOU Monorail should be Hanged, Drawn and Quartered !!! :laugh:
Pssssst.... Hey You...... Over Here.. I'm going to tell you a secret to help ease your Ailment...
*Simply Don't Read RAIDERWILL'S COMMENTS OR THREADS..*
Done.
I spent a good few years rooting my Android phones, installing ROMs, etc. Quite a while ago I stopped, due to being pretty happy with the performance of this phone, and lack of time/interest in doing it any more. Consquently my phone is running 7.1.1 and ony has a security patch date of September 2017
I realise this is not a good state of affairs. I'm not a coder or anything like that, and I've forgotten most of what I learned about the specifics of this phone a long time ago. If I want to install a new ROM, it's going to mean a lot of reading to bring myself back up to date.
So, aside from my dire security situation, is there actually anything that is going to make my life better by installing an Android 9 or 10 ROM, over and above 7.1.1? Or is it just window-dressing? I'm looking to keep this phone for a while longer yet, and have just ordered a new battery for it, so I thought a software refresh might also be nice. I just wondered whether anyone wanted to offer an opinion on whether it's worthwhile, given it will involve a lot of work for me since I'm so rusty!
Why not just upgrade to stock pie and wait for the Android 10 update coming next year. You don't need to root to get more up to date software.
I've decided it's not worth rooting anymore because I want working Google pay, no bugs, etc. There isn't really anything I need root for and the stock oxygen os is perfect in my opinion.
350Rocket said:
Why not just upgrade to stock pie and wait for the Android 10 update coming next year. You don't need to root to get more up to date software.
I've decided it's not worth rooting anymore because I want working Google pay, no bugs, etc. There isn't really anything I need root for and the stock oxygen os is perfect in my opinion.
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Just re-read my initial post and I wasn't clear. My phone is rooted/ROMd already. This is why I'm so far behind with software updates, because I got sick of flashing updates all the time. I have a couple of apps that require root, such as an ad-free Youtube with background play (which I'd really like to keep), and Titanium Backup. Aside from those, my phone doesn't really need to be rooted I guess.
I pay a monthly fee to have those features on YouTube. I couldn't go without background play anymore. I would almost root just for that.
As far as if it's worth it, security updates are probably a good idea. I don't recall any major things that Android 9 has that 7.1.1 didn't when I first got the phone a couple of years ago.
I have my banking info to worry about though so I stay stock and keep updated (over the air updates the easy way).
setspeed, I don't know what ROM you are rocking there but for me, on official, pure Oxygen OS I don't find it at all hard to update:
- I download the ROM, Magisk uninstaller, latest Magisk, latest TWRP (I noticed that some blu spark version works best with decryption).
- boot into TWRP
- flash ROM, magisk uninstaller, Makist, TWRP
- boot into sys and re-download whatever Magisk modules I had installed
OxygenOS is only updated every month or so, this procedure takes 10 - 20 minutes at most, so this is not really too much for me to do.
I cannot pin point you the exact big improvements being introduced since 7.1.1, but you can trace the important ones on Wikipedia.
On another note, not having security updates since September 2017 is like walking in front of the shooting range and expecting not to get shot.
setspeed said:
I spent a good few years rooting my Android phones, installing ROMs, etc. Quite a while ago I stopped, due to being pretty happy with the performance of this phone, and lack of time/interest in doing it any more. Consquently my phone is running 7.1.1 and ony has a security patch date of September 2017
I realise this is not a good state of affairs. I'm not a coder or anything like that, and I've forgotten most of what I learned about the specifics of this phone a long time ago. If I want to install a new ROM, it's going to mean a lot of reading to bring myself back up to date.
So, aside from my dire security situation, is there actually anything that is going to make my life better by installing an Android 9 or 10 ROM, over and above 7.1.1? Or is it just window-dressing? I'm looking to keep this phone for a while longer yet, and have just ordered a new battery for it, so I thought a software refresh might also be nice. I just wondered whether anyone wanted to offer an opinion on whether it's worthwhile, given it will involve a lot of work for me since I'm so rusty!
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Man, i'm basically in the same situation and i make a post just today for the same reason. I want to update and unroot. What can i do? i'm at oreo 8.1.0 and os 5.1.1. Maybe is better first lock the bootloader and then make the OTA? but even if all go smooth which i doubt, how can i restore my backup without titanium without the root? is a f...ing mess
Just dirty flash the latest Oxygen OS (full zip). Then wipe the cache and you should be good to go. That's basically what I've been doing for quite some time with every update (plus Magisk).
daniel_loft said:
Just dirty flash the latest Oxygen OS (full zip). Then wipe the cache and you should be good to go. That's basically what I've been doing for quite some time with every update (plus Magisk).
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that's probably the worst suggestion i've ever heard. You suggest to dirty flash from nougat/oreo to pie and do it straigh away...maybe even with a twrp 2 years old. Sounds good man..then i good to go..to a store and buy a new phone
Hey everyone and just started working with these tablets. I got 4 of them for fairly cheap and setting up for my kids to use for school. I'm trying to unlock them but have some questions to make sure that I do this correctly as not all of the tablets have the same version.
Essentially all I'm really wanting is to run Family Link on the devices to manage screen and app time as FreeTime is a joke. I used the toolbox and installed Google Play services but when trying to setup the child account on the device it fails on Device Management, so I just planned on going to Lineage to fix the issue.
Now my 4 Devices:
1 x 6.3.1.5 - First device I opened and let it update not thinking
2 x 6.3.1.2 - Kept these devices from updating after reading the forums
1x 6.3.0.0 - Kept this from updating as well and seems been sitting at best buy for awhile
6.3.0.0 - From what I read this one should just be rootable, The issue is that I'm only finding steps on the Hardware root/unlock and nothing about just rooting the older build. How do I just root this device to start the steps of this post to unlock the bootloader from @k4y0z after the root part.
6.3.1.2 - These I will need to do hardware mod on correct since it's not BELOW 6.3.1.2?
6.3.1.5 - Towards the end of the thread for unlocking/rooting I noticed people from .4 up seemed to be having issues but couldn't tell if they were doing hardware mod. It's still fine to do the bricking to unlock these devices as long as I do the hardware mod to CLK correct?
Just want to make sure I have all my information correct before I get flash happy and thanks to anyone who can help!
bmxmike said:
Hey everyone and just started working with these tablets. I got 4 of them for fairly cheap and setting up for my kids to use for school. I'm trying to unlock them but have some questions to make sure that I do this correctly as not all of the tablets have the same version.
Essentially all I'm really wanting is to run Family Link on the devices to manage screen and app time as FreeTime is a joke. I used the toolbox and installed Google Play services but when trying to setup the child account on the device it fails on Device Management, so I just planned on going to Lineage to fix the issue.
Now my 4 Devices:
1 x 6.3.1.5 - First device I opened and let it update not thinking
2 x 6.3.1.2 - Kept these devices from updating after reading the forums
1x 6.3.0.0 - Kept this from updating as well and seems been sitting at best buy for awhile
6.3.0.0 - From what I read this one should just be rootable, The issue is that I'm only finding steps on the Hardware root/unlock and nothing about just rooting the older build. How do I just root this device to start the steps of this post to unlock the bootloader from @k4y0z after the root part.
6.3.1.2 - These I will need to do hardware mod on correct since it's not BELOW 6.3.1.2?
6.3.1.5 - Towards the end of the thread for unlocking/rooting I noticed people from .4 up seemed to be having issues but couldn't tell if they were doing hardware mod. It's still fine to do the bricking to unlock these devices as long as I do the hardware mod to CLK correct?
Just want to make sure I have all my information correct before I get flash happy and thanks to anyone who can help!
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Yes, you are correct. The shorting method should work fine, even on 6.3.1.5, the issues people are having is brand new HD8's with new lot codes. Start here Post #2
https://forum.xda-developers.com/hd...nlock-fire-hd-8-2018-karnak-amonet-3-t3963496
Can confirm,shorting 6.3.1.5 worked for me with no problems.
I have my Fire HD 8 (2018). I'm staying on Fire OS 6.3.0.1 because I have blocked an OTA updates.
bmxmike said:
6.3.0.0 - From what I read this one should just be rootable, The issue is that I'm only finding steps on the Hardware root/unlock and nothing about just rooting the older build. How do I just root this device to start the steps of this post to unlock the bootloader from @k4y0z after the root part.
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Did you ever figure out how to root 6.3.0.0?
UPDATE: After a bit of digging, I found the right path here: [UNLOCK][ROOT][TWRP][UNBRICK] Fire HD 8 2018 (karnak) amonet-3 | XDA Developers Forums (xda-developers.com)
1. Extract the attached zip-file "amonet-karnak-v3.0.1.zip" and open a terminal in that directory.
NOTE: If you are already rooted, continue with the next step, otherwise get mtk-su by diplomatic from here and place (the unpacked binary) into amonet/bin folder
2. Enable ADB in Developer Settings
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I should have read the outputs more carefully, because it does refer you here when it fails: Rapid Temporary Root for HD 8 & HD 10 | XDA Developers Forums (xda-developers.com)
I thought there may have been another way to get root, but it seems that is the way to do it.
Thanks to Michajin.
I've use ROMs in the past, but never with the Essential phone. In fact my phone has run so well, I've never even factory reset it a single time, let alone put a ROM on it. But with Essential gone, I need a way to keep my phone secure.
I'm wondering what the best way to keep stock android (nothing wrong with stock) but allow myself to get the latest android updates as they come out. In looking at the ROMs there still seems to be some issues with bugs, and since this phone is my daily driver, I'd like it to be as stable as possible.
So is there:
1) A way to get the PH-1 on stock, but still get the important security updates somehow?
2) A rom available (even if android 9) that works for PH-1 that would be super stable but also get all new security updates?
Thanks in advance for any help.
holodude said:
I've use ROMs in the past, but never with the Essential phone. In fact my phone has run so well, I've never even factory reset it a single time, let alone put a ROM on it. But with Essential gone, I need a way to keep my phone secure.
I'm wondering what the best way to keep stock android (nothing wrong with stock) but allow myself to get the latest android updates as they come out. In looking at the ROMs there still seems to be some issues with bugs, and since this phone is my daily driver, I'd like it to be as stable as possible.
So is there:
1) A way to get the PH-1 on stock, but still get the important security updates somehow?
2) A rom available (even if android 9) that works for PH-1 that would be super stable but also get all new security updates?
Thanks in advance for any help.
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Don't want to be rude, but here's the answer:
1. None
2. None
chanh2018 said:
Don't want to be rude, but here's the answer:
1. None
2. None
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I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?
holodude said:
I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?
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That was the case until Essential went out of business - you could do OTA updates, or download and flash yourself. The stock security updates were only provided by Essential, and the Feb 2020 update was the last one for this phone...
holodude said:
I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?
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You are correct: Android GSI. Info >here<
aleph23 said:
Android GSI
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And how would that be "remaining on stock", as per the OP?
holodude said:
I could have sworn I saw something that basically said you can download the latest stock version (that includes security updates) and flash it every time there is a new update. But I guess I could have misunderstood?
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No way to stay on stock & get security updates (well you will get some direct from Google ie the Google Play System Update, the last one shown lower down this page
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2020-03-01
and can be found in your settings under security, but its only a fraction of patches)
That means your best option is probably the Android 11 GSI when it's out of Developer Preview in a July (?) and hope it's bug free, else Lineage etc .... not that you want custom roms, sorry.
IronRoo said:
No way to stay on stock & get security updates (well you will get some direct from Google ie the Google Play System Update, the last one shown lower down this page
https://source.android.com/security/bulletin/2020-03-01
and can be found in your settings under security, but its only a fraction of patches)
That means your best option is probably the Android 11 GSI when it's out of Developer Preview in a July (?) and hope it's bug free, else Lineage etc .... not that you want custom roms, sorry.
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Basically I'm looking for something safe and stable, whether it is ROM or otherwise. Right now I'm stable, but not safe. So you think my best bet is move to Lineage (to become safe) and then switch to the GSI when it is out of developer preview (and stable)?
From what I have read and asked here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/development/rom-evolution-x-4-1-69-t4073153
This ROM will give you what you are asking for as far as regular security updates are concerned. I have been waiting for Lineage to release an "OFFICIAL" version of Android 10 for our PH-1's but so far nothing. Also I would not mind going on Android 11 but then I do not think that will get monthly security updates either so I am thinking about trying this Evolution ROM out.... I have never worked with a phone with A/B slots so that is my only concern but after reading all the threads I am starting to understand how that works.
Hope this info helps you out.
holodude said:
Right now I'm stable, but not safe.
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Security updates are overrated. ?
SirDigitalKnight said:
From what I have read and asked here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/development/rom-evolution-x-4-1-69-t4073153
This ROM will give you what you are asking for as far as regular security updates are concerned. I have been waiting for Lineage to release an "OFFICIAL" version of Android 10 for our PH-1's but so far nothing. Also I would not mind going on Android 11 but then I do not think that will get monthly security updates either so I am thinking about trying this Evolution ROM out.... I have never worked with a phone with A/B slots so that is my only concern but after reading all the threads I am starting to understand how that works.
Hope this info helps you out.
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You & your big mouth! ?
https://download.lineageos.org/mata
(actually its been out a while, by the looks of it, but no mention here)
I'm the same boat as you, had hoped to flash LineageOS 17 months ago then move to Android 11 in few months time, guess it's decision time now.
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holodude said:
Basically I'm looking for something safe and stable, whether it is ROM or otherwise. Right now I'm stable, but not safe. So you think my best bet is move to Lineage (to become safe) and then switch to the GSI when it is out of developer preview (and stable)?
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Guess for stability & functionality it would have to be LineageOS.
Looks like May version is ver 17.1 (Android 10), not sure how this compares to previous version re bugs/working functions, but that means previous ver is already a month out of date on security )
edit: see this post also
https://forum.xda-developers.com/es...7-1-essential-ph-1-mata-t4066163/post82606687
Also DO NOT use the Essential USB cable & DO NOT relock boot loader!
SirDigitalKnight said:
From what I have read and asked here: https://forum.xda-developers.com/essential-phone/development/rom-evolution-x-4-1-69-t4073153
This ROM will give you what you are asking for as far as regular security updates are concerned. I have been waiting for Lineage to release an "OFFICIAL" version of Android 10 for our PH-1's but so far nothing. Also I would not mind going on Android 11 but then I do not think that will get monthly security updates either so I am thinking about trying this Evolution ROM out.... I have never worked with a phone with A/B slots so that is my only concern but after reading all the threads I am starting to understand how that works.
Hope this info helps you out.
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I'm on EvoX the only thing tht is not t working very well, is tht if u fast forward or rewind on Netflix ur phone reboots, hopefully fixed next update, but I'm happy with this ROM, the touch lag is almost non existence for some reason, glad they managed to fix tht. Also L1 certification is still there. The 360 camera workes better in this Rom for some reason. The best part is the customization though, so much
IronRoo said:
You & your big mouth!
https://download.lineageos.org/mata
(actually its been out a while, by the looks of it, but no mention here)
I'm the same boat as you, had hoped to flash LineageOS 17 months ago then move to Android 11 in few months time, guess it's decision time now.
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Guess for stability & functionality it would have to be LineageOS.
Looks like May version is ver 17.1 (Android 10), not sure how this compares to previous version re bugs/working functions, but that means previous ver is already a month out of date on security )
edit: see this post also
https://forum.xda-developers.com/es...7-1-essential-ph-1-mata-t4066163/post82606687
Also DO NOT use the Essential USB cable & DO NOT relock boot loader!
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Very strange that no one has started a new thread in the Custom ROM section about this... (This being an official release version of Lineageos 17.1) you would think it would be bigger news? There is still only an Unofficial thread... strange..
Anyway IronRoo let me know what you decide to do and how it goes... I am still on the fence as my PH-1 is currently working perfect on stock 10 but it is of course on the Feb 29th security patch... plus I haven't done a custom ROM install since my LG G5 but I hear it is like riding a bike... lol :silly::fingers-crossed:
SirDigitalKnight said:
Very strange that no one has started a new thread in the Custom ROM section about this... (This being an official release version of Lineageos 17.1) you would think it would be bigger news? There is still only an Unofficial thread... strange..
Anyway IronRoo let me know what you decide to do and how it goes... I am still on the fence as my PH-1 is currently working perfect on stock 10 but it is of course on the Feb 29th security patch... plus I haven't done a custom ROM install since my LG G5 but I hear it is like riding a bike... lol :silly::fingers-crossed:
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For LOS, I think we should wait until their server is back, and few more releases come out.
LineageOS 17.1 for Essential is so new, only couple releases, and still in updating state.
chanh2018 said:
For LOS, I think we should wait until their server is back, and few more releases come out.
LineageOS 17.1 for Essential is so new, only couple releases, and still in updating state.
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Yes, many will agree, though I'm OK with giving it a go but I need to buy a new high quality USB cable as kid damaged my Samsung one and have only a cheap 6" one which I'm not sure I trust to flash without bricking phone.
SirDigitalKnight said:
Very strange that no one has started a new thread in the Custom ROM section about this... (This being an official release version of Lineageos 17.1) you would think it would be bigger news? There is still only an Unofficial thread... strange..
Anyway IronRoo let me know what you decide to do and how it goes... I am still on the fence as my PH-1 is currently working perfect on stock 10 but it is of course on the Feb 29th security patch... plus I haven't done a custom ROM install since my LG G5 but I hear it is like riding a bike... lol :silly::fingers-crossed:
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Just did a quick websearch and a few have tried flashing it reddit and here on the 16 thread, and it's suggested wait for next release (first recovery had issue, but now fixed, but next release of ROM should have a few fixes & Lineage build servers are down so not sure when new release will drop)