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Anyone else disappointed?

While watching the live stream, I was really impressed with the presenter who said they understand our concerns about wanting phones that last easily throughout the day, that withstand drops in water, and want a pure experience. Then they introduce the Moto X Style/Pure with a measly 3000mAh battery, which in comparison to the Note 4 and Nexus 6 is considered small, and there is no waterproofing. Yet the lower end phones have either a larger battery or waterproofing. Really Motorola?

Yes I was disappointed, there seems to be some type of disconnect in direction these phones are going. I'm inncoraged that they are finally addressing the camera but 3000 mAh battery is just dumb. No fingerprint scanner either

to my knowledge, almost no phones are waterproof, though many are water resistant (maybe 1.5 meters for 30 mins). it may not have 4000 mAh like the droid turbo, but 3000 mAh is a sizeable increase compared to the moto x which had 2300 mAh. maybe they are leaving some market space for the new x, which is rumored to have 3600 mAh. and the style for $400 makes it a pretty sweet deal no matter how you cut it. i was unable to find any IP rating for the new moto x style.

for $400, i see it has more features and a better value than the one+2.
QHD, nfc, microSD, quick charging, customizable
I was disappointed with it only have a 808 and an even larger screen.. At this point, might as well wait for the Nexus

The major disappointment is no fingerprint scanner..... but camera and screen size upgrades are big plus to me!!!!
BTW, Moto X Style is IP52.

tlxxxsracer said:
for $400, i see it has more features and a better value than the one+2.
QHD, nfc, microSD, quick charging, customizable
I was disappointed with it only have a 808 and an even larger screen.. At this point, might as well wait for the Nexus
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I mostly found it odd that the top end phone has a tiny battery among a list of other specs that were pretty impressive. Also, it's odd that the G has water proofing and the X's do not. For that matter, the one WITH the big battery is not an option if you live in the states.... wtf?? Considering the other contender's this year, there's a whole lot of disappointment for me. I'm sick of touchwiz, hate phablets, and want a good camera and great battery... apparently that's too much to ask. As for the 808... well, considering the other option is having a fireball in your pocket, I think it's a decent choice. I guess we'll see what the nexus looks like. Unfortunately the S5 has grown long in the tooth for me and needs replacement. (it has become unreliable, slow, overheating, etc etc etc.)

I can live without a finger print scanner, although i enjoy it a lot in my S6 now. But 3,000 mAh compared to Moto Play. What i would want is the Moto X Play´s battery and Moto X Style´s everything else. Too much to ask? I mean its a huge phone, fit a huge battery

it is a tiny battery, however If you look at the Moto X 2014, the tiny 2300 still gives you a day of life. I am guessing the software would make the 3000mah battery pretty good for day to day use? The camera seems like a joy. I was hoping for the fingerprint sensor to be at the speaker grill, but meh, I dont really use a lock just because I use moto displays anyways. And that 399 price point is really a very good deal
Plus, having an SD card would make putting a custom rom on way easier!
Plus Plus: the fact that there is only the pure edition in the US, i think will bring this phone a lot of developer love
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dipstik said:
to my knowledge, almost no phones are waterproof, though many are water resistant (maybe 1.5 meters for 30 mins). it may not have 4000 mAh like the droid turbo, but 3000 mAh is a sizeable increase compared to the moto x which had 2300 mAh. maybe they are leaving some market space for the new x, which is rumored to have 3600 mAh. and the style for $400 makes it a pretty sweet deal no matter how you cut it. i was unable to find any IP rating for the new moto x style.
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I should have said water resistant, but my point still stands, why include it on the low end phone but not your flagship?
While 3000mAh is an improvement from the 2300mAh in the 2014 Moto X, you need to remember that you are going from a 5.2" phone to a 5.7" phone, and compared to other 5.7" phones like the Note 4, it has a significantly smaller battery.
$400 is a great price, I think most of us are just upset that Motorola went with a 3600mAh batter in it's mid-ranged phone while leaving the much smaller batter in the larger flagship.

What ever i said. i am still getting one

No USB type C = disappointed.
anyone knows what USB standard it supports, USB 3.1 or USB 3.0 or the older USB 2.0?

a_ejazz said:
No USB type C = disappointed.
anyone knows what USB standard it supports, USB 3.1 or USB 3.0 or the older USB 2.0?
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No USB Type-C = better compatibility of chargers, and Quick Charge 2.0. I honestly cannot see Type-C taking off anywhere within the next year, seeing as major players are dragging their feet on this, and at this point, I'd rather be stuck with a micro-USB port.

Some of my thoughts...
With custom ROM and now a custom Kernel for Moto X 2014 I have no issues getting through the day, on sparse use I've gotten two days easily as well. - Seeing as you're all posting here, I'm assuming if you get the phone you will root it. Provided that the scene is active on this phone, the battery should be great, also if the big screen is not a huge drain. (In other words I see no cause for concern.)
While still on the screen, why does it seem that this one is TFT and not AMOLED? - I've made the move to AMOLED with the 2014 and it's going to be very hard to go back, I love the deep blacks in the dark, using my dad's OPO in same environment almost made me cringe.
Also, I probably won't be upgrading from 2014 Moto X as this is waaaaay too big, OPO is too big and this will just be uncomfortable for me.
If they make a Style with 5.2 inch or less screen, a very tight case/shell, AMOLED screen I'd probably be all over that, especially if the camera is as great as it seems, and with that price it's hard to beat.
As it is now, I will wait and see if the new nexus entices me enough to switch to it from Moto X 2014

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No USB type C = disappointed.
anyone knows what USB standard it supports, USB 3.1 or USB 3.0 or the older USB 2.0?
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I'm not sold on USB C yet. Sure it's nice to have a reversible plug, but that's really the only benefit. You need to buy all new cables, and no quick charging (yet).
I believe it's USB 2.0, as USB 3.0 (Note 3) has a much larger USB port.

geoff5093 said:
I'm not sold on USB C yet. Sure it's nice to have a reversible plug, but that's really the only benefit. You need to buy all new cables, and no quick charging (yet).
I believe it's USB 2.0, as USB 3.0 (Note 3) has a much larger USB port.
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that's not the only benefit. it means backward compatibility with my phone even if it gets old, I don't change phones so regularly
and type-C does support USB power delivery profile but OEMs are yet to implement which will bring better charging capability natively.
and yes it's USB 2.0 , USB 3.0 needs micro-B 3.0 , but atleast micro-B 3.0 would have meant that I can transfer from PC at higher speeds and still use the older cables as it also supports current micro-B for USB 2.0

Technically isn't this the best ever camera on a close to stock Android phone?

geoff5093 said:
I'm not sold on USB C yet. Sure it's nice to have a reversible plug, but that's really the only benefit. You need to buy all new cables, and no quick charging (yet).
I believe it's USB 2.0, as USB 3.0 (Note 3) has a much larger USB port.
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No USB Type-C = better compatibility of chargers, and Quick Charge 2.0. I honestly cannot see Type-C taking off anywhere within the next year, seeing as major players are dragging their feet on this, and at this point, I'd rather be stuck with a micro-USB port.
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If you are in dire needs of upgrading your PC as well as mobile, you wish that newer standards are adopted quickly , especially for any person who upgrades ones in 3-4 years
They are dragging this too long. USB 3.0 & type C have been here for a while now.
Don't know at this rate when 3.1 & Power delivery profile will be adopted. even support for thunderbolt & Displayport in type c are already announced.

As of this moment, I'm getting it. I'm coming from a nexus 6 and all I've been pining after is the moto software suite with assist and voice and display.
Moto x pure will be a blend of my nexus 6 with the large display and front facing and my moto x with the software enhancements.
AND thank god it looks similar to my nexus 6 so it'll be easy to sneak one past the wife .
fingerprint and usb C would be nice but not dealbreakers for me. I would have preferred wireless charging over the two of those features.
LCD vs AMOLED. I'll reserve judgment on that one. AMOLED makes moto display look great so this part might be a dealbreaker for me. maybe if the LCD is more power efficient and makes the moto x pure a battery beast then perhaps i'll overlook it. Some of the hands on pictures the blacks in the camera app matched very closely to the blacks of the bezel so there is hope. I just need to see more samples. It'll be hard to beat the blacks of AMOLED especially when it's not even a color, it's just turned off. Can't get much blacker than that =P

Not really majorly disappointed. I would have loved to have seen the bigger battery in the style from the play and a fingerprint sensor sure. But, at the same time, I'm sick of having issues with my phones (n4 followed by n5 - simple things like bad build quality on the n5 or the major overheating of the 4 & 5 when idling even in safe mode) and with Motorola, the style isn't half bad for the price that they're giving.
Would I have been happy if they charged an extra £50-80 and had a fingerprint sensor and slightly bigger battery? Probably. Is it a reason for me not to buy it? Nope.
If it's built as solidly as previous iterations of the X and if they keep with the clean android, I'm going to be a happy cookie even 3 years down the line I bet. Plus, I love the idea of all the talk based control especially when driving.

a_ejazz said:
If you are in dire needs of upgrading your PC as well as mobile, you wish that newer standards are adopted quickly , especially for any person who upgrades ones in 3-4 years
They are dragging this too long. USB 3.0 & type C have been here for a while now.
Don't know at this rate when 3.1 & Power delivery profile will be adopted. even support for thunderbolt & Displayport in type c are already announced.
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There's a very huge difference between practice and theory. There are many barriers (costs, standards, technologies) as to why USB 3.0 and Type-C has not been implemented universally. Remember how long it took for companies to just agree on putting micro-USB on their phones? Especially when USB 3.0 and Type-C offers very little incentive at all for companies to switch.
Compatibility issues, for instance, is something USB 3.0 phones currently have unless someone has a new hard drive (and its attached cable) lying around. You're more likely to have someone who runs around with a microUSB cable for whatever purposes - charging, data transfer, whatever. Type-C on the other hand is so new that you'd be hard pressed to find accessories outside of very advanced/technological cities. It only got a much stronger (and much needed) push with the newest MacBook, but even so, you don't see everyone leaping to the standard yet.
In any case, if the technology has evolved to a point where USB 3.0 or Type-C becomes commonplace and necessary (meaning, you need the power output/data transfer speeds), then that most likely means you'll need an upgrade to your phone too. So I wouldn't be too worried about it.

No IR blaster, send IR commands with laser autofocus?

Would it be possible to control the laser autofocus, considering it uses IR to do so, and instead of measuring distance, send IR commands to mimic an IR blaster?

That would be some James Bond type ish

Yeah i'm not really familiar with the android camera2 api, but if you could control the laserfocus ir diode, assuming it has the same functionality as that of the ir blaster counterpart, I'd assume it'd be possible.

Oh, crap I didn't even think to see if this had an IR blaster. I use it all the time, why the heck would they leave it out?Argh, this might be a deal breaker. I just assumed that like pretty much every phone has one now.

Semantics said:
Oh, crap I didn't even think to see if this had an IR blaster. I use it all the time, why the heck would they leave it out?Argh, this might be a deal breaker. I just assumed that like pretty much every phone has one now.
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I know right? That's exactly what I thought after preordering one and realizing it didn't have it! If it's not possible on the nexus 6p, maybe something like this will serve as a viable alternative:
Won't let me post a link but, it's "anymote.io"

mutey said:
I know right? That's exactly what I thought after preordering one and realizing it didn't have it! If it's not possible on the nexus 6p, maybe something like this will serve as a viable alternative:
Won't let me post a link but, it's "anymote.io"
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I'm sure that would work just fine, but I would have to have to sink 100 dollars into that device to add a feature that pretty much every flagship has.

Semantics said:
I'm sure that would work just fine, but I would have to have to sink 100 dollars into that device to add a feature that pretty much every flagship has.
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Yeah it sucks, but it's an alternative. I'd be willing to try and make an app if someone would confirm whether or not the api can access the IR LED and control it so I don't have to search for it.

mutey said:
Yeah it sucks, but it's an alternative. I'd be willing to try and make an app if someone would confirm whether or not the api can access the IR LED and control it so I don't have to search for it.
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I wish I could answer that for you, but I don't know if its possible. Frustrating for sure.

Semantics said:
I wish I could answer that for you, but I don't know if its possible. Frustrating for sure.
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I don't think there's an api. There isn't any documentation or any mention of being able to control laser autofocus. Oh well, guess we'll just have to use an actual remote.

mutey said:
I don't think there's an api. There isn't any documentation or any mention of being able to control laser autofocus. Oh well, guess we'll just have to use an actual remote.
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Between no IR blaster, no OIS, and fear of AMOLED burn in (I've never owned nor wanted an AMOLED screen) I'm seriously re-considering my purchase. Their are compelling devices on the Horizon with the features I am looking for, but I've always loved the Nexus line. What to do...

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Between no IR blaster, no OIS, and fear of AMOLED burn in (I've never owned nor wanted an AMOLED screen) I'm seriously re-considering my purchase. Their are compelling devices on the Horizon with the features I am looking for, but I've always loved the Nexus line. What to do...
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Yeah I'm not SET on the nexus 6p. I might consider waiting for the LG G5 or S7.

mutey said:
Yeah I'm not SET on the nexus 6p. I might consider waiting for the LG G5 or S7.
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Yeah, I'm still using the LG G3, its rooted with unlocked bootloader and it does everything I want it to. I don't flash ROM's like I used to, so maybe I jumped the gun a bit too fast on the 6P. I'll have to consider it over the weekend. Hell the 64GB version came to 600 bucks, it's not like a true flagship device is that much more money.

Semantics said:
Yeah, I'm still using the LG G3, its rooted with unlocked bootloader and it does everything I want it to. I don't flash ROM's like I used to, so maybe I jumped the gun a bit too fast on the 6P. I'll have to consider it over the weekend. Hell the 64GB version came to 600 bucks, it's not like a true flagship device is that much more money.
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Yeah I have the LG G3 as well, just never got around to rooting it. I'll likely cancel my preorder honestly.

mutey said:
Yeah I have the LG G3 as well, just never got around to rooting it. I'll likely cancel my preorder honestly.
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I'm leaning that way too unfortunately. I would have preferred the 5X but the specs are really underwhelming. Oh well, plenty of new phones coming in the next 6 months.
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Actually just cancelled. I'll wait for the 820 devices. All I care about is root for adblock, I couldn't care less about spending 20 hours a week flashing ROM's anymore. Been doing that for like 7 years now and Android is good enough now that the added features in ROM's are barely an upgrade to anything. I'll wait and see what the reviews are here and online once they start shipping and re-evaluate, I guess.

I would have preferred the 5X but the specs are really underwhelming.
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Nexus 5X is almost the same as old Nexus 5 and twice more expensive. Didn't you consider Nexus 5?

Semantics said:
Between no IR blaster, no OIS, and fear of AMOLED burn in (I've never owned nor wanted an AMOLED screen) I'm seriously re-considering my purchase. Their are compelling devices on the Horizon with the features I am looking for, but I've always loved the Nexus line. What to do...
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No phones really offer an IR blaster with the exception of the S6 and some LG ones. Its not s big deal in my opinion because I haven't had a phone with one since my G3. I've almost exclusively owned AMOLED phones and I've get to experience any burn in at all. The Nexus doesn't have OIS but it does have EIS just like other phones without OIS. What devices would you call 'compelling' that are coming out soon?

Pilz said:
No phones really offer an IR blaster with the exception of the S6 and some LG ones. Its not s big deal in my opinion because I haven't had a phone with one since my G3. I've almost exclusively owned AMOLED phones and I've get to experience any burn in at all. The Nexus doesn't have OIS but it does have EIS just like other phones without OIS. What devices would you call 'compelling' that are coming out soon?
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I had GS4 with Irb. Worked ok for some things but I have TV, two Tivos, AV receiver, Blu-ray player and a Roku in my rack. Couldn't find an app that could handle them all. So went with a Harmony remote. It's a stretch even for that. So I would rather have the rooting /romming capabilities of the Nexus than the IR.

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As for promising new releases, Lg V10 looks like it has everything (except ff speakers). Ir blaster, fingerprint scanner, multiple hq cameras, unbelievable durability, larger, better quality screen than G4. They moved the speaker to the side, which is the second best location.
Google should have 2 versions of each Nexus release- A bare bones value model and a spec'd out version with all flagship features at a premium price. Seems like they are forcing you to sacrifice size for specs, that is to say that the smaller devices are carrying subdued chipsets and display res at reduced prices. Nexus and Nexus Prime is what I would like to see. Instead of just 2 different models, 2 levels of finish as well. Probably won't be getting either of them even though I've been looking forward to this release for months.
And to whoever said that not many phones have IR blasters, you're right if you don't think Samsung, HTC and LG(Sony, Oppo) are important Android producers. All true (non-compromising) flagships have them. S6, Note5, M9, G4. The only reason Motorola doesn't have them is because they are really a value conscious supplier. Who is left really?

Pilz said:
No phones really offer an IR blaster with the exception of the S6 and some LG ones. Its not s big deal in my opinion because I haven't had a phone with one since my G3. I've almost exclusively owned AMOLED phones and I've get to experience any burn in at all. The Nexus doesn't have OIS but it does have EIS just like other phones without OIS. What devices would you call 'compelling' that are coming out soon?
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As posted, all flagship phones have IR blasters. LG, HTC, Samsung. They account for the vast majority of handsets sold I'd imagine. I'm not worried about burn in, I've just never had an AMOLED phone, my preference has always been cooler screens, not ones that artificially "pop" colors. LGV10, Sony Z5P, and the Snapdragon 820 will be in over 30 phones beginning in January. 4-6 months is soon in my world, but I don't eat at McDonalds, whine about having to wait 3-5 weeks for shipping and obsess about things like phones. I enjoy them, they compliment my life, they don't define it. I don't judge anyone for liking what they do and don't feel like I nor anyone needs to defend their purchase.

wtherrell said:
I had GS4 with Irb. Worked ok for some things but I have TV, two Tivos, AV receiver, Blu-ray player and a Roku in my rack. Couldn't find an app that could handle them all. So went with a Harmony remote. It's a stretch even for that. So I would rather have the rooting /romming capabilities of the Nexus than the IR.
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I had a similar issue and I stopped wanting an IR blaster because its more of a novelty for me. Ever since I sold my last G3 I haven't looked back.
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As posted, all flagship phones have IR blasters. LG, HTC, Samsung. They account for the vast majority of handsets sold I'd imagine. I'm not worried about burn in, I've just never had an AMOLED phone, my preference has always been cooler screens, not ones that artificially "pop" colors. LGV10, Sony Z5P, and the Snapdragon 820 will be in over 30 phones beginning in January. 4-6 months is soon in my world, but I don't eat at McDonalds, whine about having to wait 3-5 weeks for shipping and obsess about things like phones. I enjoy them, they compliment my life, they don't define it. I don't judge anyone for liking what they do and don't feel like I nor anyone needs to defend their purchase.
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Some of those OEMs stopped including hem in their own flagships. Samsung didn't put it in their Note 5 or S6E+ if I recall correctly and HTC isnt a major OEM anymore with their lackluster sales as of lately. I enjoy devices that can be updated when there are issues and that have good developer support. I've owned Samsung, LG, Motorola, ASUS and Nexus phones and while each is great in their own respect I tend to enjoy the Nexus line more. I agree with you regarding how a phone should compliment what you do, and if I came off the wrong way than that was not my intention. I jsut don't see why people get so upset because a single feature is missing on an otherwise 'perfect' phone. I haven't seen a Nexus with a IR blaster so I didn't expect it to have one. When I hear soon I assume that means this year but January could be considered within that depending on your perspective. I might buy a backup phone with the SD820 but I'll have to wait and see if there's a clean device to run it because I'm not a big fan of skinned UIs.

If I'm going to have to replace it, again.. What with????

Well I just went to AT&T to try the LG v20. It's as big as an iPhone 7 Plus, but I have to say I thought it was fantastic. It's screen is slightly bigger, it's brighter (!) which surprised me and when I ran gagnam style on both (always my test video) I have to say that I thought the screen was better on the v20. The whites are whiter and the Note looked yellowish by comparison. Very interesting. It's also far quicker at switching apps, as fast as the iPhone. Camera is very quick too.
Anyway just food for thought. There is life after the Note7
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Gagnam style lol nice... Thats what im considering going too. I have yet to see it so i want to actually hold it and play with it before i make a decision
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Yeah if I have to replace my note I'm thinking the v20. Don't want the s7 edge (had it as a loaner and it was okay but not great). Only disappointment is that I won't be able to use my new gear vr. Also, at&t's version won't come with those earphones
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Gagnam style lol nice... Thats what im considering going too. I have yet to see it so i want to actually hold it and play with it before i make a decision
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Gagnam is great as its bright, colorful and many scene changes, and you can test the sound too.
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I will take the v20, 64gb storage, 4gb ram, usb-c, 5.7 screen, android 7.0, not water resistant, but its not like you can use the note 7 for snorkeling so, I think the note 7 is done. So lets go LG
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How about the new "newer" note 7....maybe available in a few weeks
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How about the new "newer" note 7....maybe available in a few weeks
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I am hoping the exynos version for all.

Yeah I think I may wait to see what Samsung does to try to keep my business. My guess is that they realize this is a big pain to customers and will hopefully offer a special deal to keep them loyal. If not I will probably switch to a different brand. Not sure what yet though since there isn't much that compares.

ShrekOpher said:
Yeah I think I may wait to see what Samsung does to try to keep my business. My guess is that they realize this is a big pain to customers and will hopefully offer a special deal to keep them loyal. If not I will probably switch to a different brand. Not sure what yet though since there isn't much that compares.
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Unless they have a Note 7.5, Note 8, or an S8 ready to go, I'm done. They have treated me like crap throughout this entire recall.
Probably going back to Apple this year.

sireniankyle said:
Unless they have a Note 7.5, Note 8, or an S8 ready to go, I'm done. They have treated me like crap throughout this entire recall.
Probably going back to Apple this year.
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I feel ya, but I could never go back to Apple. Like being handcuffed... Just can't stand iOS, the device itself is awesome but can't stand iOS.
I still have an S7e so I will probably go back to that for the short term. I love the Note line even if it is re-branded I will look at the Note 8 next year.

i did the same, returned Note 7 for pre order of LG V20 this morning. The camera was extremely fast, it was snapping pics as fast as I hit the button. The screen was slightly bigger, or appeared to be anyway (good thing). I like the little display on the top as well, and display looked much better than I expected. Cant wait for my order to arrive!

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I feel ya, but I could never go back to Apple. Like being handcuffed... Just can't stand iOS, the device itself is awesome but can't stand iOS.
I still have an S7e so I will probably go back to that for the short term. I love the Note line even if it is re-branded I will look at the Note 8 next year.
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I settled for the S7 Edge once already, because Samsung screwed up the Note 5. That's 2x in a row in my book. I don't want to go back to it, because 1.) I'm spoiled by the Note 7's 64GB plus expandable storage, and 2.) The edges are more obvious, and i do not like them at all. There's also the lack of S- pen and hdr. The Note 7 also boosts the audio for video playback, which I loved.
**I consider the Note 5 a flop, because there was no expandable storage and 64GB max onboard. The same reason that I haven't bought a 1+3. NB4 you don't need more than 64GB. If company says "Never Settle", don't tell me to settle.**
If I go back to Apple, I get the water resistance, imessage, stereo speakers, unrivaled speed, great battery life, and a home button that is not on-screen (lookin at you, Google and LG). I also lose micro sd (got 256 on-board so), fast charging, wireless charging, qhd, and certain freedoms on the software.
If Samsung would let me buy a Note 7, or if the 1+3 could take a micro sd card, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But the Pixel XL is crap (my opinion), the htc 10 is too small, the S7 Edge is too curvy, and the 1+3 lacks enough storage. I know, I'm picky.

sireniankyle said:
I settled for the S7 Edge once already, because Samsung screwed up the Note 5. That's 2x in a row in my book. I don't want to go back to it, because 1.) I'm spoiled by the Note 7's 64GB plus expandable storage, and 2.) The edges are more obvious, and i do not like them at all. There's also the lack of S- pen and hdr. The Note 7 also boosts the audio for video playback, which I loved.
**I consider the Note 5 a flop, because there was no expandable storage and 64GB max onboard. The same reason that I haven't bought a 1+3. NB4 you don't need more than 64GB. If company says "Never Settle", don't tell me to settle.**
If I go back to Apple, I get the water resistance, imessage, stereo speakers, unrivaled speed, great battery life, and a home button that is not on-screen (lookin at you, Google and LG). I also lose micro sd (got 256 on-board so), fast charging, wireless charging, qhd, and certain freedoms on the software.
If Samsung would let me buy a Note 7, or if the 1+3 could take a micro sd card, we wouldn't be having this discussion. But the Pixel XL is crap (my opinion), the htc 10 is too small, the S7 Edge is too curvy, and the 1+3 lacks enough storage. I know, I'm picky.
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I have been anti apple for as long as I can remember. I do not like apple for many reasons from being so constrained on a phone I own to apples business model to apples proprietary hardware etc etc. BUT this time I decided to give the 7+ a try for 1 year after i returned my Note 7. So far after 2 weeks I have absolutely nothing bad to say about my 7 Plus. It is incredibly fast, incredibly powerful and just down right does everything perfectly EXCEPT they are having some bluetooth issues with certain devices. One of those happens to be my 8.4" UConnect headunit that it is not streaming nicely with. Random skips and choppy audio when streaming music. But my headunit has ipod controls so I simply plug my 7 Plus into a usb port and stream my music that way and it charges the phone as well. If you do go 7 plus I dont think you will be unhappy with it. Also the standby time and overall battery life is outstanding. I first got a silver one then decided I want black instead so my 128GB Silver one is on ebay right this second with 2 days left in the auction. Brand new condition.

So I talked to someone I know that works for Samsung. Samsung is a business partner of the company I work for. It is not looking good. Right now there are two options being discussed internally at Samsung.
1.) Stop the production of the Note 7 ALL together and refund everyone who bought one. This is an issue because phones sold on a secondary market may be difficult to get refunds for. It also will cause many users to leave Samsung all together and go the LG V20 / Pixel / iPhone 7 rout.
2.) Do ANOTHER recall replacement. I was told a new run of the phones would be available by the end of the month to be swapped out if Samsung chooses to go down this path AGAIN. I would hope the 3rd time is the charm and this 3rd build of the phone is perfect. However this has issues as well. There is a chance some if not all of the USA carriers won't pick up the 3rd version of the phone AT ALL and not offer it as a replacement to consumers. Also if it is offered as a replacement there is still not guarantee that USA carriers will EVERY being to sell it as new again.
Both of these options leave me with a few concerns.
1.) This phone will probably NEVER have the correct software support it deserves. Meaning IF it gets the android 7.1 update in the 4th quarter of this year like it is supposed to it will probably be the only update it ever gets. Also it may not get the monthly security patches ever, which makes this not usable for my work.
2.) I do not know what Samsung can do to restore confidence with me that this 3rd version of the Note 7 will not one day blow up. I have also lost all faith in the CPSC. I mean what are they doing this time that will GUARANTEE that this version of the phone won't blow up as well. Just seems like its going to be a hard sell to me.
3.) Samsung still seems a bit short sited to me on fixing this issue. If they really want to "stop the bleeding" of loyal customers they need to focus on future product sales. Again this means leaving the Note 7 dumpster fire behind, but it also means trying to convert note 7 users into future sales. I would hope they would consider offering a discount voucher for a Samsung phone bought in the future as a part of this 2nd recall, but judging by everything I have seen coming from their company it looks like they are more worried about the now, and they are going to lose even more customers because of it.
Anyone have any other thoughts? What would it take for Samsung to get you to stay with the Note 7, or in the future consider buying a S8 or a Note 8?

What stores have the lg v20 demo?

I returned both of ours for a full refund.. Ordered an axon 7 and a oneplus 3 as replacements.

Seriously I went into my local Att store and no V20 demo unit there.
Heres my 2 cents. I came from the Note 4, and the Note 2 before that, so you can understand the waiting I had to do in order to get something amazing. The Note 7 checks so many boxes off of a long list of features that I have always found useful. The pen, the screen size and resolution as well as top specs in the cpu and ram department every time they are released. But, this one thing that kept buggin me on the newer Notes was the non-removable batteries. It was the reason I held out on upgrading the Note 4 for so long. And here we are witnessing something that is hugely affected by the decision of not including that capability.
In terms of what Samsung should have done, its obvious - they should have included a slightly smaller battery in terms of thickness and capacity in order to reduce the risk of defects. Something like a smaller/thinner 3000 mah battery would have been totally fine. Even a slightly thicker version of the 3600 mah battery and thicker chassis would have been fine as well. But my honest opinion is that devices that are catching fire are actually suffering from some slight bending in the chassis at some point after they are purchased. This most likely would be something like dropping it hard or even having it bend slightly when in a pocket. Im thinking the latter is the cause for the batteries to have warped a tiny fraction causing the layers/connectors in the batteries to warp. But this is an inherent risk with all batteries in phones I think. Its just exponentially worse the thinner you go. And if the production tolerances on both those aspects are so dang tight, expect more issues than say an Iphone which can bend all day and still not catch fire.
It would be great to see Samsung give people full refunds for international variants and exchanges through carriers like they are doing. Should they give a discount for future devices? It would be awesome obviously from a consumer standpoint. Will they actually give some discount of meaningful value? Most likely not. They are a massive multi-billion dollar corporation. I would think the Note customer base is the smaller of their top 2 devices. So even if they lose some of this crowd, there is still the massively successful S7/S7 edge crowd to bank on. Especially since we will be seeing the S8 in like 4-6 months. Its actually smart of them to stagger device releases in this case. I'm not particularly excited about anything else being released this year. Google has the specs now, but looks so boring. And that top headphone jack...just ugh. The iphone as everyone saw is just a placeholder until next year. The V20 is, well, just another LG phone. Tough decisions all around at this point.

borijess said:
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This store has a demo, I messed with it for a bit while my Note 7's were being returned.
7025 FM 1960 RD E STE. 100, HUMBLE, TX 77346

Anyone played with an Honor 8 or the ZTE AXON?
I am not a fan of LG devices.
I'm probably go back to the S7e but it's really not a great replacement.
How many people would get another replacement Note 7 if one is offered?

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Anyone played with an Honor 8 or the ZTE AXON?
I am not a fan of LG devices.
I'm probably go back to the S7e but it's really not a great replacement.
How many people would get another replacement Note 7 if one is offered?
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I will , but I will wait to trade mine in . When they have them in the store , then I will go. I still want this phone , its why I bought it in the first place.

Should I get the Z force?

I am currently on T-mobile with an s edge+, I am pretty much tired of everything about thos phone and T-mobile. Im probably going to verizon very soon. Would the Z force be a good phone to get at this point or try to tough it out till a better phone releases?

aside from the lack of root, lack of 3.5mm headphone jack (WTF?), and the lack of decent front-facing stereo speakers (largely offset by the availability of the JBL MotoMod however), this is hands down the best phone I've owned.
Battery life is amazing, and it charges incredibly fast as well. Total game changer. Camera is decent although not spectacular. Screen is great. CPU is fast. MicroSD means I never run out of storage.

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aside from the lack of root, lack of 3.5mm headphone jack (WTF?), and the lack of decent front-facing stereo speakers (largely offset by the availability of the JBL MotoMod however), this is hands down the best phone I've owned.
Battery life is amazing, and it charges incredibly fast as well. Total game changer. Camera is decent although not spectacular. Screen is great. CPU is fast. MicroSD means I never run out of storage.
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I second all of this, although I have headphones with a removeable audio cord so my adapter stays in the cord and I use it for any aux input in vehicles...the jbl mod is great for music and speakerphone. Root doesnt affect me...seems most want it for the mobile hotspot. I had the phone since day one in verizon prepaid and the hotspot is active without any sim card tricks. If you can afford the phone upfront I suggest prepaid, look into the cost savings over a two year period. When I did it for my useage and the plans available at the time it was almost $1200 cheaper and all I lacked was hd voice video and wifi calling which has since been rolled out to prepaid customers

hmm i didnt notice the lack of headphone jack. im on the fence about this one.. i so rarely use the headphone jack that i doubt id miss it.

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hmm i didnt notice the lack of headphone jack. im on the fence about this one.. i so rarely use the headphone jack that i doubt id miss it.
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If you rarely use it chances are that means uou only have one thing you plug into it? It comes with an adapter that has a rubber strap that holds the cords together.

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If you rarely use it chances are that means uou only have one thing you plug into it? It comes with an adapter that has a rubber strap that holds the cords together.
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does it? nice, i have a pair of aftershokz wireless that i mainly use. this phone is the top of my list for the switch, it has all the stuff i want... nougat, vr capabilities, non curved screen. and it has the ability to connect stuff to it. i may very well have one by the end of the weekend. how rugged is this phone? if i accidentally drop it will it explode like my crappy s6 edge+ did?

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does it? nice, i have a pair of aftershokz wireless that i mainly use. this phone is the top of my list for the switch, it has all the stuff i want... nougat, vr capabilities, non curved screen. and it has the ability to connect stuff to it. i may very well have one by the end of the weekend. how rugged is this phone? if i accidentally drop it will it explode like my crappy s6 edge+ did?
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I wouldnt recommend drop testing it but I have dropped mine way more than Id like to admit...the edges get scratched up and the style shell falls off...the jbl mod does not as it has stronger magnets. Dropped it in tile concrete and asphalt and it is still going strong.

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I wouldnt recommend drop testing it but I have dropped mine way more than Id like to admit...the edges get scratched up and the style shell falls off...the jbl mod does not as it has stronger magnets. Dropped it in tile concrete and asphalt and it is still going strong.
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i dont plan on testing it that way, and i do plan on getting an otterbox defender until i do get some mods.

Z Force uses a layered polymer screen, not glass, so it's alleged to be shatter proof. In fact, if you manage to get a gouge on the screen but the rest of the phone is undamaged, Motorola believes in their product so much I've been told they'll send you a new phone for free (not willing to test this on my own phone, but I have it from a good source).
First responder said camera is not spectacular... Not sure what he would consider to be spectacular as it has a 21mp rear camera. Also one of the mods available will turn it basically into a high end digital camera. Also the first phone I've ever owned that has a front facing flash. Not that I'm a huge selfie buff, but if you are then that's a big plus.
All in all I'm loving this phone. It has a couple of quirks, like the lack of a photo gallery app like my GS6 had (have to go through the File Manager to get anything similar since I hate Google Photos), and I can't seem to use my Samsung Gear with it (although Samsung swears up and down it should work), but it seems to be worth the drawbacks in the 3 days I've had it.

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Z Force uses a layered polymer screen, not glass, so it's alleged to be shatter proof. In fact, if you manage to get a gouge on the screen but the rest of the phone is undamaged, Motorola believes in their product so much I've been told they'll send you a new phone for free (not willing to test this on my own phone, but I have it from a good source).
First responder said camera is not spectacular... Not sure what he would consider to be spectacular as it has a 21mp rear camera. Also one of the mods available will turn it basically into a high end digital camera. Also the first phone I've ever owned that has a front facing flash. Not that I'm a huge selfie buff, but if you are then that's a big plus.
All in all I'm loving this phone. It has a couple of quirks, like the lack of a photo gallery app like my GS6 had (have to go through the File Manager to get anything similar since I hate Google Photos), and I can't seem to use my Samsung Gear with it (although Samsung swears up and down it should work), but it seems to be worth the drawbacks in the 3 days I've had it.
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wow that sounds great.. pretty much everything.. the gallery I can get around, I almost never use it anyway.
what gear do you have? if its the tizen bs os then probably not. i have the gear 2 neo floating around here somewhere.. found a mod to drop tizen and put wear on it. best the watch has worked since i got it.
Edit: just ordered mine, should be here tuesday!

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what gear do you have? if its the tizen bs os then probably not. i have the gear 2 neo floating around here somewhere.. found a mod to drop tizen and put wear on it. best the watch has worked since i got it.
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The Gear 2 Neo is, in fact, the one I have. I've always used it straight out of the box, worked great for me but that was with a phone designed for it. If you have an alternate option I'm definitely open to making it work with this phone!

https://forum.xda-developers.com/gear-2/development/please-help-kernel-compiling-android-t2992953
thats what i used.. worked great

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First responder said camera is not spectacular... Not sure what he would consider to be spectacular as it has a 21mp rear camera. Also one of the mods available will turn it basically into a high end digital camera.
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I actually work in the camera sensor industry (primarily infrared, but much is still applicable here). There is a lot more to image quality than megapixels. Image processing algorithms, sensor hardware features, optics, optics, and optics, all play a huge factor. Oh, and optics too. In fact, MP is such an obsolete measure of a camera's performance, I'd typically prefer a lower pixel count with a larger pixel size; all other factors being equal, a larger pixel will perform better in low light situations. Now, depending on the design, on large pixel count sensors, you can sometimes do tricks such as pixel aggregation, where you cluster multiple nearby pixels into one larger, virtual pixel, but often times in cell phones, that sort of image resizing is done in software after the fact, drastically reducing the benefits.
Now don't get me wrong, the Z Force camera has a lot of positives going for it. Ease of use, low shutter lag, good feature set (manual controls such as ISO, etc). Front & rear flashes do a decent job too (front flash is great for drunken selfies). But in general, the snapshot mode image quality still pales in comparison to my wife's iPhone 7+, which is simply amazing. In expert hands, with sufficient setup time, maybe this one is nearly as good, but the default point & shoot images are never as good.
I haven't used the Hasselblad Moto Mod, and while it does look pretty good, keep in mind that it isn't a true Hasselblad camera; they just licensed their name for it.
That being said, the built in camera is still very good, but it just isn't as good as some of the others.

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Cheater! You know too much!
Seriously though, thanks for clarifying that. I've always gone by whatever camera had higher numbers. My experience in photography was before the proliferation of digital and I never did much research into the translation from the film days. Glad to learn something new here... Although I will still never buy an iPhone until Apple does away with iTunes.
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Front & rear flashes do a decent job too (front flash is great for drunken selfies).
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I like the way you put that. In fact, I think that should be in their advertising. "Are you nuts about taking drunken selfies with your friends? Buy the Moto Z Force for the best drunken selfies you've ever taken!"

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wow that sounds great.. pretty much everything.. the gallery I can get around, I almost never use it anyway.
what gear do you have? if its the tizen bs os then probably not. i have the gear 2 neo floating around here somewhere.. found a mod to drop tizen and put wear on it. best the watch has worked since i got it.
Edit: just ordered mine, should be here tuesday!
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Gallery app was released in the forum some time ago... Not a big issue, but stupid on Moto removing it. I'm using QuickPic as a replacement, as the stock gallery would crash when installed as a userdata app for me.
As for the lack of 3.5mm, to be honest, as long as you have the adapter, you're fine. What kills me is I LOST my stock adapter, which was by far the best USB-C adapter around. Your only solutions are chinese adapters or to find someone on ebay/Amazon which charges close to 15$ US for the adapter... At least in Canada.
I agree with everything that was said here otherwise: The Z-Force is by far the best phone I've owned.

just got mine last night, and wow... such an amazing phone so far.

The moto z and z force are very underrated phones. Shame it isn't more popular/have more active dev community.

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I have it and love it, if you are going to say no please elaborate.

LeeMullinsII said:
I have it and love it, if you are going to say no please elaborate.
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I have it but I love my wife...still.
Not rootable. Verizon blocked VoLte and VoWifi for other networks. Phone is unlocked but mostly useless when I cant switch on Wifi call or HD call. I will hold it in drawer untill bootloader will become unlockable.
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Samsung Galaxy S11 leaked renders reveal penta-camera setup, centered hole-punch display and no headphone jack
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Samsung Galaxy S11 leaked renders reveal penta-camera setup, centered hole-punch display and no headphone jack
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I think it's way to earlier to have threads for S11 series.

paulsims said:
I think it's way to earlier to have threads for S11 series.
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But... but.... you've got to get with the hype and speculation.... it's never tooooo early
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MikeChannon said:
But... but.... you've got to get with the hype and speculation.... it's never tooooo early
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No, it's not too early with talk of that 865 and big battery, awesome camera. Time for the next beast.

Rumored to launch on February 18.
What's more ?
It's reported that all regions except Europe, will get the Snapdragon SoC for the S11 variants.

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Rumored to launch on February 18.
What's more ?
It's reported that all regions except Europe, will get the Snapdragon SoC for the S11 variants.
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Im super sad that europe wont get the snapdragon.Why should we have the ****ty exynos variant.

Is the news official that the S11 series will also have three devices like the S10 series??

Apparently its going to be the S20 Series and not S11 Series:
https://www.gsmarena.com/get_used_to_it__samsung_galaxy_s20_is_samsungs_next_flagship-news-40797.php

S20, S20+, S20+ Ultra - all to have 120Hz refresh rate and that's awesome..

l hope there will be a dual sim version with ALL the 4G and 5G bands (like iphones) and not missing some of them (like band 30 on all the F variants)

Hopefully this is the one to bring me back to using a Samsung.

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Hopefully this is the one to bring me back to using a Samsung.
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I'm thinking the same thing - cautiously optimistic. Samsung makes some great phones. I'd like to get one that I want to keep and like more than my Pixel with it's ridiculous camera. Maybe, but probably not.

NBTC(National Broadcasting and Telecommunications Commission) of Thiland reveals "SM-G980F/DS" & "SM-G985F/DS" are the
official names of the Galaxy S20 and S20+ respectively, for the dual sim international versions.

Will only the Ultra have 45W charging? Cause honestly, the GS20+ is looking like the phone for me, but I'll go with the Ultra if it's my only option for 45W.

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Will only the Ultra have 45W charging? Cause honestly, the GS20+ is looking like the phone for me, but I'll go with the Ultra if it's my only option for 45W.
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Android Central says the Ultra is the only model with 45W charging - the others have 25W charging. Not sure if that's accurate though.

45W adapter didn't make much sense to the Note 10+ over the 25W included in the box.
It might be the same story with the S20 series, ..hope NOT.

I was really hoping this would be the year they finally got rid of any visible camera on the front. Maybe the next Note model will do it...? One can hope.
I wish they'd go back to the centred camera bump though. I much prefer that. Ugliness of this one aside, the older style can actually sit on a table or desk without wobbling (unless you use a case, of course, but that's besides the point).
Speaking of cases, I still like the old style LED flip case - though I think it's overpriced (I got mine dirt-cheap for my Note9), I'd like to see them return to that. The S10 and Note10 have a cool LED case with the full screen, but it's on the back and has no front cover, which means you have to lie your phone face-down to see the LED notifications, and you'll definitely need a screen protector so it doesn't get scratched (which will still inevitably scratch the screen protector, meaning you'll need to replace that sooner too).
Honestly, I'm just baffled by all the backwards decisions Samsung keeps making. There isn't really a lot here that's different from last year, other than the lack of a headphone jack (still not happy about that), which was excused for the Note10 by "we needed space for the bigger battery", but then they left an empty space instead. At least Apple used that extra space for something (though how well that space was used is another story entirely).
I'm still hoping other companies start doing the in-built stylus thing that the Note series does.
But anyway, I hope the S20 doesn't do away with things like the SD card slot (looking at you, Note10) and comes with Android Q/10 out of the box (something the Note series always seems to get screwed on).