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I´m kind of new here but still haven´t found an answer why my Nexus only shows 1097 RAM instad of 2000? Even tried different hardware checker and they all tell me the same. Have I made I bad flash?
Davidkallen said:
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I´m kind of new here but still haven´t found an answer why my Nexus only shows 1097 RAM instad of 2000? Even tried different hardware checker and they all tell me the same. Have I made I bad flash?
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The 2GB ram on the device must accommodate both the operating system and graphics Ram before any apps are loaded. So what you see is normal. This is no different for laptops. Also the 16 or 32 GB internal storage shows less after formatting and Android OS plus Google apps (Gapps) are installed. At least with the Nexus 10 you have much less bloatware compared to other Tablets (eg. Samsung).
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3DSammy said:
The 2GB ram on the device must accommodate both the operating system and graphics Ram before any apps are loaded. So what you see is normal. This is no different for laptops. Also the 16 or 32 GB internal storage shows less after formatting and Android OS plus Google apps (Gapps) are installed. At least with the Nexus 10 you have much less bloatware compared to other Tablets (eg. Samsung).
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Thanks for you answer 3Dsammy.
I understand that you use RAM when things are installed, But I still dont get it. When I was on stock it showed in settings 2 gb RAM. And now Hardware info (app) System RAM 1097?. Same with Clean sweeper.
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I understand that you use RAM when things are installed, But I still dont get it. When I was on stock it showed in settings 2 gb RAM. And now Hardware info (app) System RAM 1097?. Same with Clean sweeper.
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Nexus 10 has never shown 2gb available, I've had it since launch and I believe the most I've ever seen was back on 4.2 was about 1400MB or so, and it has gone down from there on each update. You never get what they advertise on the box, every single one of my devices has less than whats advertised, my Note 3 is supposed to have 3gb available, but really its only 2.38 after its said and done..
1098 is normal on 4.4.2 for N10, I've attached a shot from mine ... I can only assume most of it is being reserved for the GPU and its super high resolution.
** These threads might have more information you are looking for.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2377356
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2463178
Hi,
As already stated here, just clearing a little the information for you .
The Nexus 10 has a huge screen resolution, therefore it requires a more powerful GPU, even having a pretty powerful graphic processors which is the MALI, it's not powerful enough for the 1600p screen, so they allocated ≈1GB to the graphic unit to prevent any possible issues.
Also, there are some apps running in background, so it takes some RAM too.
Hope this clarifies a little ,
~Lord
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Thank for your help:good:
I did notice that with slim kat 4.2.2 I have 1647 ram available and with 4.4.2 slim kat I had 1099.
so I thought that Kit Kat uses less RAM but I don't really see it with those comparisons.
Joe
Would like some opinions and have a few questions
I currently have an Acer w4 8 inch win 8 tablet and it serves me pretty well, 64GB, gets 8-9 hrs batter life. The screen is only 1280X800
I'm intrigued by some of these new Chinese Win 8 tablets that offer 1080P+ screen resolutions, dual boot Android, are thin and resemble Ipads and ar pretty cheap most being under $200
It is hard to find some real user experience with them though and some real opinions would be great
So far my search has only come up with two possibilities
Onda V891w 64GB
Chuwi V89 64GB
Are their anymore 64GB variants of these types of tablets? I'm familar with Teclast from their portable audio days and like their hardware but can;t seem to find a model they offer with 64Gb of space. My current Acer w4 is 64GB and I have 30GB free with not much installed so I'd probably be pushing it with a 32GB model right off the bat. The main reason I'd switch from my Acer W4 is to play around with dual boot android and to get a high res screen
So some questions
On the dual boot Tablets do any of them have access to the Google play store? I suspect not so can google play be side loaded and actually run official google play apps?
Does Android run well on these?
How is the battery life on these types of tablets? is 7-10 hrs possible?
Does the high res screen bog down the Baytrail processors compared to the lower res screens?
How are people dealing with a 32GB Win tablet? Don't you run out of space quickly?
I see on alot of the youtube videos some of the menu's in Win 8.1 are in Chinese, is this still the case when you change the language in Windows to English?
Beside the two models I have listed are their any other worth considering that offer 64GB space?
Thanks for any feedback, I have used Chinese brands before in the Portable audio world even loading custom roms etc on them and I'm not opposed to some tweaking if need be.
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Would like some opinions and have a few questions
I currently have an Acer w4 8 inch win 8 tablet and it serves me pretty well, 64GB, gets 8-9 hrs batter life. The screen is only 1280X800
I'm intrigued by some of these new Chinese Win 8 tablets that offer 1080P+ screen resolutions, dual boot Android, are thin and resemble Ipads and ar pretty cheap most being under $200
It is hard to find some real user experience with them though and some real opinions would be great
So far my search has only come up with two possibilities
Onda V891w 64GB
Chuwi V89 64GB
Are their anymore 64GB variants of these types of tablets? I'm familar with Teclast from their portable audio days and like their hardware but can;t seem to find a model they offer with 64Gb of space. My current Acer w4 is 64GB and I have 30GB free with not much installed so I'd probably be pushing it with a 32GB model right off the bat. The main reason I'd switch from my Acer W4 is to play around with dual boot android and to get a high res screen
So some questions
On the dual boot Tablets do any of them have access to the Google play store? I suspect not so can google play be side loaded and actually run official google play apps?
Does Android run well on these?
How is the battery life on these types of tablets? is 7-10 hrs possible?
Does the high res screen bog down the Baytrail processors compared to the lower res screens?
How are people dealing with a 32GB Win tablet? Don't you run out of space quickly?
I see on alot of the youtube videos some of the menu's in Win 8.1 are in Chinese, is this still the case when you change the language in Windows to English?
Beside the two models I have listed are their any other worth considering that offer 64GB space?
Thanks for any feedback, I have used Chinese brands before in the Portable audio world even loading custom roms etc on them and I'm not opposed to some tweaking if need be.
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That Onda w981v is a failure as most Onda products are. Same thing applies for Chuwi. The only brand I would recommend is Teclast. I got X80h because it was cheap. 125$ shipped with DHL. 32gb is not enough for a Dual-OS tablet. Only 6Gb left. I don't have any problems. Did all the updates and works perfectly. It is fast considering that it has a 17$ Intel Atom processor. Battery isn't great, around 3-4 hours. Games work great. Tested Warcraft 3, Mafia, Quake 3 Arena and hadn't any lags. It has Toshiba eMMC which is fast. If that w981v was a quality tablet, it would have been the best deal ever at just 155$. But I am happy with my X80h.
At the moment I don't see myself paying a cent more for any other Dual-OS tablet than X80h. But that's just me. I do not need 64GB eMMC as I have USB port connected all the time and have 40mb/s speeds via 64GB USB stick. It's just a tablet, not a laptop. And the most important thing is that at the moment I believe X80h is one of the most stable chinese tablets on the market. They have all the high quality components. Chuwi, Onda, Pipo etc are far behind Teclast.
99% is in English
If I was you, I would avoid Teclast. Their hardware build quality is sometimes questionable (look at the X10HD) and their version of a dual boot OS has so many issues. (again look at the complaints by users of X10HD). In terms of build quality, PiPO and Onda are 2 of the best. Ondas dual boot system seems to be much more solid. These two manufacturers actually have good quality tablets that feel worth the money. I'm not sure about Chuwi, Ployer or Cube in terms of build quality.
Honestly if you're going to get dual boot, then you should get 64GB minimum. A dual boot OS on 32GB is a joke. You are limited for space on both sides.
If you want to get a good overview of some of the tablets on the market, then follow @Hendrickson who is a XDA member and runs his own Youtube channel reviewing many of the Chinese tablets. Chris does a great job and you will get more insight into what you should be looking out for.
Yea looks like I'll stick with my Acer w4 64GB Win 8.1 tablet until the cherry trail Tablets are out. The only thing of interest in these were the higher res screen and the Dual boot OS but even a 64GB version would leave the win 8.1 side with very little space. I have about 30GB of free space on my Acer W4 64GB tablet. Also seems like none of these are going to get the 9HR battery life of my Acer as well. These are interesting tablets but they don;t seem ready for primetime.
What is Hendrickson's youtube channel URL?
I'm going to buy a Windows tablet. My first choice would be the Lenovo Yoga Tablet 2 8", but it only has 2 GB of RAM, like the majority of Windows tablets.
I have the fear they wouldn't be enough, because I'm very accustomed to surf the Internet with several tabs opened. I tested several Windows tablet with that RAM amount and they felt snappy, even with 4 tabs opened in the browser with not very light websites, but I think swap file wasn't ignored by Windows, since 1 GB of RAM was already full with nothing opened.
I know two tablets that have (or, at least, seem to have) 4 GB of RAM: the 128 GB LTE model of the Lenovo ThinkPad 8, and the ASUS Transformer Book T100HA in the 64 and higher GB models.
I'm not able to find the ThinkPad, even if many blogs wrote about it. So, the only option would be the T100HA.
But, I'm in Italy, and the T100HA is not officially available here (I have to buy a French SKU with AZERTY keyboard and apply stickers on to make it QWERTY). Also, it costs 100 bucks more than a tablet with 2 GB of RAM (the aforementioned Yoga Tablet, or even an Acer Aspire Switch 10E), and I'm not very sure about ASUS build quality since the original T100 shocked me, being very plasticky and flimsy, even if I know the T100HA should use the T100 Chi chassis, which is higher quality.
I'm not very interested into Cherry Trail, since if puts a boost only in the GPU while i won't play games. Bay Trail is more than fine for me.
So: can I buy a tablet with 2 GB of RAM and be fine for two years, or would it be very reccomended to spend 100 bucks more to be "lag-proof"?
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I've found 2GB enough in my T100 (I had the original T100TA, and now the T100HA - unfortunately the 4GB RAM version isn't available in the UK where I am), for things like web browsing and software development. More is always nice, but I wouldn't say it's a problem.
Other Windows tablets with 4GB RAM are the Surface 3, the Dell Venue 11 Pro, and most of the Intel Core based tablets.
Web browsing is the main problem, since i always open at least 3 tabs...
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I use my Mac as my main computer, but I have five other computers running Windows 10. One of them only has 1gb of ram (runs 32 bit Win 10) w/ an atom processor and it's fine. Web can be slow, depending on what I'm browsing. It's fine on an old laptop w/ 2gb of ram (64 bit) and I just picked up a new Windows 10 tablet w/ 2gb of ram and a quad core atom processor. Iit runs 64 bit windows 10 fine. I've had no issues with browsing. (Although, due to no ad blocking on edge and chrome draining batteries so bad, I stick with IE 11 and use TPL lists to block ads.)
You are good to go with 2GB of RAM on your tab. Just as you have pointed out yourself, you need to minimize the number of tabs you open at a time to prevent it from freezing or crashing. A friend of mine is using Windows 10 on his 2GB of RAM Pc and he had no problem at all. You shouldn't too, if you don't overwork the tab
yep, 2 gb is fine for 10, i have dell venue 8 pro (2013) and it works fine with 2gb. i can have open edge/firefox with 4-6-6 tabs plus telegram/music player/onenote and it will be eating 1.9 gb of 2 and no slowdowns at all.
Like the others, works fine. Even lightroom works fine-ish (can't export compressed jpgs, other than that no problems).
Hello! I am thinking about changing my poor old Oneplus One for this beast. But I am worried about the RAM quantity. At this moment I have 3GB RAM and I don't know if 4 will be enough.
Isn't TouchWiz 4GB = 3GB AOSP debloated?
silverkin said:
Hello! I am thinking about changing my poor old Oneplus One for this beast. But I am worried about the RAM quantity. At this moment I have 3GB RAM and I don't know if 4 will be enough.
Isn't TouchWiz 4GB = 3GB AOSP debloated?
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Of course it is enough + you won't keep your phone for more than 2-3 years. TouchWiz got better, but not perfect. My phone still has ~1.5 GB of Ram left. My notebook has 4 GB Ram with fast SSD, don't see any slowdowns on Win 10 Pro.
With the poor ram management 2.5 GB is enough because at no point it uses more than that on our phones. I have apps refreshing when I come back but only half of ram is being used.
in my opinion, 4gb is not enough..... For that kind of high-end phone, samsung should have put 6Go at least into it. I'm talking about ram managment which is pretty bad in android and when you take a look at speedtests (even if this is not reflecting real daily uses) you can see than phone with 6go of ram are able to keep many apps in memory way better than the s8. When you start to run heavy apps or games, the built-in memory killer kills a lots of background app and then when you need to switch back into an other recent app, the phone almost reload it :'( That's frustrating
4GB Ram is enough. More RAM means more apps running in background which means more battery consumption. So 4GB looks a good balance here atleast for S8 which has only 3000 mah battery.
i don't think so excuse me. Of course, more ram maybe means more battery consumption but i prefer that and kill apps runing in background manually to keep battery life rather than the os kills things that i still need :/
When you have 4gb then 4gb isnt enough, when you have 6gb then 6gb isn't enough... its never enough.
4GB is enough for most any smartphone. I also have a OnePlus 3 with 6GB ram and while it can keep more programs running in the background, it never totally accesses the entire 6GB ram. Read this XDA article on RAM: https://www.xda-developers.com/the-ram-conundrum-do-we-really-need-6gb-ram-on-android/
4 is enough, and please after buying it do not ask about why just a little of it is free! The ram is for holding services and apps in background so cpu should not work again to bring them up, if it's filled do not be sad, it's natural.
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in my opinion, 4gb is not enough..... For that kind of high-end phone, samsung should have put 6Go at least into it. I'm talking about ram managment which is pretty bad in android and when you take a look at speedtests (even if this is not reflecting real daily uses) you can see than phone with 6go of ram are able to keep many apps in memory way better than the s8. When you start to run heavy apps or games, the built-in memory killer kills a lots of background app and then when you need to switch back into an other recent app, the phone almost reload it :'( That's frustrating
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Why should you want to keep many apps in memory? The S8 loads them so quick anyway.
Who needs in real day use to keep in memory 5-6 games plus 6-7 apps ? That's what they are doing in speed test , but in every day use it's not need for 6-8 GB ram in this moment. In my opinion for the manufacturer it's simpler to put more ram in a phone instead a better over all optimization.
I've owned the One Plus 5 the 8gb sys ram version and apps stay in memory for super quick access, the apps on my S8 plus constantly close and have to reload them back in memory, yes I've disabled close apps when idle, this phone is still randomly closing apps when it runs out of memory, whoever says a phone does not need more than 4gm ram is wrong, try the OP5.
4gb is not enough because of touchwiz ui. Oneplus has no skin. Its near stock ui. Thats why oneplus os takes less ram than touchwiz os.
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4gb is not enough because of touchwiz ui. Oneplus has no skin. Its near stock ui. Thats why oneplus os takes less ram than touchwiz os.
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No, it has 1.5x to 2x the ram, that's why ...
Samsung galaxy S8/8+ = 4gb RAM, Oneplus5 = 6gb/8gb RAM.
Not too hard to see why it handles apps better...
Touchwiz probably doesn't help any but the extra RAM is the real reason...
Why do you think the Note 8 comes with 6gb RAM?
Poojan Patel said:
4gb is not enough because of touchwiz ui. Oneplus has no skin. Its near stock ui. Thats why oneplus os takes less ram than touchwiz os.
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And the fact it has twice the amount of ram helps also, was waiting for the pixel 2 but if they're are only going to use 4gm ram i'm not bothering.
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No, it has 1.5x to 2x the ram, that's why ...
Samsung galaxy S8/8+ = 4gb RAM, Oneplus5 = 6gb/8gb RAM.
Not too hard to see why it handles apps better...
Touchwiz probably doesn't help any but the extra RAM is the real reason...
Why do you think the Note 8 comes with 6gb RAM?
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Yep I agree, i'm really disappointed Samsung only used 4gb, I've just had to reload the android messages app twice in the last 10 mins! this did not happen on my mate 9 or the OP5, it's actually getting tiresome now seeing all the social apps have to reload back into ram, I really do miss the OP5 for that, I've turned off all closing apps when they are inactive for useless crap but still basic stuff is still closing down, play store, email, Instagram, android messages etc.
There is an option to lock apps to RAM if you dont want it having closed.
@Akram. How do you lock apps in RAM?
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@Akram. How do you lock apps in RAM?
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Click on recents button> 3 dot menu > lock apps
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Akram. said:
There is an option to lock apps to RAM if you dont want it having closed.
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Thanks I'll give that a go however I've tried these things before on other phones and they never worked.
Ady1976 said:
Yep I agree, i'm really disappointed Samsung only used 4gb, I've just had to reload the android messages app twice in the last 10 mins! this did not happen on my mate 9 or the OP5, it's actually getting tiresome now seeing all the social apps have to reload back into ram, I really do miss the OP5 for that, I've turned off all closing apps when they are inactive for useless crap but still basic stuff is still closing down, play store, email, Instagram, android messages etc.
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That's a hell lot of phones you used buddy!
Btw, what made you buy S8+ after OP5?
Lock apps is a good option as the basic tw settings don't allow lots of apps to be in RAM. That's why the idle battery life is the best on S series.
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That's a hell lot of phones you used buddy!
Btw, what made you buy S8+ after OP5?
Lock apps is a good option as the basic tw settings don't allow lots of apps to be in RAM. That's why the idle battery life is the best on S series.
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The OP5 had all sorts of issues, the main 1 for me was the jelly scrolling and camera not that great, but my mate 9 broke otherwise i was waiting for the pixel 2 which i may still get yet depending on how much they put in it, if it's like the rumours say 4gb then I'm not buying anything again unless it a minimum of 6gb ram, these social apps chew ram up and 4gb these days is useless!
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That's a hell lot of phones you used buddy!
Btw, what made you buy S8+ after OP5?
Lock apps is a good option as the basic tw settings don't allow lots of apps to be in RAM. That's why the idle battery life is the best on S series.
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LOL, only 2 phones. In the last 6 - 12 months I have bought -
1. Axon 7 - 6gb ram 128gb rom - great phone but took too long to unlock and I got bored with it.
2. ASUS Zenfone 3 Deluxe - 6gb ram 256gb rom - brilliant hardware, stock rom OK but a few bugs - unfortunately ASUS didn't release unlock tool until too late killing off developement.
3. Nokia 6 - 4gb ram 64gb rom - OK for a budget phone but again no bootloader unlock.... Bored now, NEXT...
4. One+5 - 8gb ram 128gb rom - really like it but running out of storage- at least the others I can put in an sd card...
5. Samsung Galaxy S8+ -4gb ram 64gb rom - got a bit cheaper so was in, still exploring stock rom so not rooted yet.
6. Samsung Galaxy Note 8 - 6gb ram 64gb rom - on pre-order... Awaiting judgement. Unfortunately living here in Oz it looks like I won't be getting my shiny new toy until mid October... Got grey import (love the description that it's Oz stock but then these things tend to come with an overseas plug with a cheap sh!tty plug adaptor) but it was approx. $300Aud cheaper than the ones avalable in shops here...
Also waiting for my Jellyphone pro, a really small android phone I got on Indigogo... So sue me, I'm a sucker for computers and phones....
Out of all these phones the Galaxy S8+ is pretty laggy in comparison, even the Nokia 6 is pretty decent in comparison. Hopefully the Note 8 is a bit faster and the extra RAM will push it back onto the top of the heap...
4gb is useless? Lol. Ok... Whatever you say...
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Yeah, I'm not really getting this assertion either. RAM is really only one component that would impact lag. The first of which would be the kernel and how CPU governor settings are applied. I consider myself a fairly heavy user, and I'm not at all upset by the response time of this phone.
Yes 4gb ram is not enough for the advancing technology of smartphones. 6gb or more is recommended.
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LOL, only 2 phones. In the last 6 - 12 months I have bought -
1. Axon 7 - 6gb ram 128gb rom - great phone but took too long to unlock and I got bored with it.
2. ASUS Zenfone 3 Deluxe - 6gb ram 256gb rom - brilliant hardware, stock rom OK but a few bugs - unfortunately ASUS didn't release unlock tool until too late killing off developement.
3. Nokia 6 - 4gb ram 64gb rom - OK for a budget phone but again no bootloader unlock.... Bored now, NEXT...
4. One+5 - 8gb ram 128gb rom - really like it but running out of storage- at least the others I can put in an sd card...
5. Samsung Galaxy S8+ -4gb ram 64gb rom - got a bit cheaper so was in, still exploring stock rom so not rooted yet.
6. Samsung Galaxy Note 8 - 6gb ram 64gb rom - on pre-order... Awaiting judgement. Unfortunately living here in Oz it looks like I won't be getting my shiny new toy until mid October... Got grey import (love the description that it's Oz stock but then these things tend to come with an overseas plug with a cheap sh!tty plug adaptor) but it was approx. $300Aud cheaper than the ones avalable in shops here...
Also waiting for my Jellyphone pro, a really small android phone I got on Indigogo... So sue me, I'm a sucker for computers and phones....
Out of all these phones the Galaxy S8+ is pretty laggy in comparison, even the Nokia 6 is pretty decent in comparison. Hopefully the Note 8 is a bit faster and the extra RAM will push it back onto the top of the heap...
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Wow didn't know AUD are cheaper then INR
But you get them as locked and cheaper so it's fine.
Anyways, enjoy till you get bored
Have fun! Jio jee bharke
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Wow didn't know AUD are cheaper then INR
But you get them as locked and cheaper so it's fine.
Anyways, enjoy till you get bored
Have fun! Jio jee bharke
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Nope, only if you get carrier specific phones will they be (sometimes) locked. Generally this is for cheap prepaid plan phones....
And the Aus dollar isn't cheaper... That's why we have grey imports....
Did anyone who has his phone rooted, try SWAP memory? Making a 2gb partition on the internal storage or even a good quality SD card.
I remember this was a thing few years ago, but everybody just forgot about it.
I agree that 4gb is not enough. Really notice the phone e slows down when downloading in the background
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Im fine, everything runs smooth. You prolly have to be a heavy user.
Who ever asked why Note8 has 6gb, thats an odd question to ask. After the last years N7 i dont think they wanted to take any chance and tried their best to give as much as they could. Although i still passed on it, 1500$ no thank you. Id rather walk around with my laptop.