Dear Eris Users who Are Waiting for Root,
I'd like to start by addressing all of you as a large audience. I may ask certain groups to leave. I hope they will respect that wish and then come back and join the larger group when I am done with each piece.
We all got the Droid Eris from Verizon. We all got it for different reasons. A lot of you, if not all of you, are here because you wanted an HTC phone that was rooted. You wanted the custom roms, the themes, the su privileges. This shining aura that was "root" was so appealing, that you took a plunge and bought the device before any work was really done on that. Now, some of you feel that you should receive, neigh, deserve root. I am so saddened by what this community, Eris users, not XDA, has turned into. The disbelievers, the demanders; what are you still doing here, complaining? Just leave if you have something mean to say.
To everyone: I'm a firm believer in the idea that if you don't have something important, information wise/helpful, to say on the forum, then don't post at all. I try to keep my fingers off the keyboard, and I have for a long time, but I cannot hold my silence. I used to post every day. I used to be excited to get onto XDA and see if something new had happened while I was away. When we got our own section of the forum, I was overjoyed! (Not really, but we needed a section) We had a pristine new subforum to play around in, and we trashed it. Our original root thread had to be closed because of how off topic and ridiculous it was. Our new thread has gone to crap and turned more into a flame war, than a place where we are looking for exploits and posting findings. Sadly, I wouldn't blame XDA for shutting that one down too. We, as a whole, have alienated developers and are now in danger of not getting root for a number of reasons.
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business. Also, those who feel like it's not worth it to wait around, just leave. Don't make an exit if you're sitting around and not helping but you feel the need to announce that you are fed up, or tired of it. Root will come eventually. There has yet to be an android phone that hasn't been hacked, and we will not be the first one.
Lastly, I'm tired of the "HTC NEEDS to release the source code because it's our right to have it" argument. Sure, the source would help, but the iPhone has been hacked again and again and again with no source code. It comes down to good developers, and a thankful community. So, please stop riding that bandwagon. The source code will get here eventually, but you have to be patient.
To those of you who have been helpful: Thank you. To anyone who tried an exploit and posted findings, thank you. To anyone who compiled an exploit, who dumped their phone, who offered help, incite, or even a "keep it up", thank you. That's what a good hacking community does.
To Jmanly, Binny, Zifnab, rigamrts and others: Thank you for everything you've done to help us out. You are all a tribute to being a good forum member. We would not even be a fraction of where we are without Jmanly's guidance and it was sad to see him leave.
Where to go from here: I think we need to restart. Create a new thread where no negative talk will occur, people will only post things that help move us forward and people post their thanks to those who are doing all of us a favor. None of us deserve root. It's not owed to us because we got the phone. We should all be thankful for what some people with the know-how are doing for us. That should be all I have to say. I hope we can change a little bit for the better and maybe we can get back to trying to root.
-Video
Well said!
This is well put.
I can never quite understand the flaming or negative stuff.
I learned when I started out in WinMo Xperia Threads that people hassling or acting "Entitled" while you are working hard on a Mod or Rom or anything can be quite disheartening.
If it can be agreed upon, I would like to open a new thread, for root status and updates. (hopefully for the last time)
Or I can just add it to the bounty thread that is already open (I know and understand that most of us do this for the love of hacking and modding and out of a sense of community, but it is also a nice gesture and could really help someone that devotes time and effort to this)???
I would monitor it constantly and report any flaming and abuse to one of our great moderators immediatley.
What do you think?
here's how i felt when i first got my eris.
i was like great now i can see what's up and possibly help get root for the new addopters cause i did not get my g1 durring the first run. i missed out on the fun times of all the posts of people trying to hack the phone.
so when i first landed in the eris waters it was great the late night whiteboard sessions were fun throwing any idea no matter how idiotic it sounded and going to town. then we had our first 2 casualties jman and me cause some one took it apon himself to attack a guy who didn't even have our phone and was willing to help.
then we had today where that same person took it on himself to flame another dev the same way. now the 7 day ban might calm him down or send the message not to come back. but i thought it sould have been a perma-ban cause of past actions plus the disrespecting of a mod which is a no no. that mod i respect cause he acted profesionally and gave the community hope that this type of behavior will not be tollorated.
hopefully if things keep going in a positive direction i might jump back into fold but feel very heartbroken cause of the few bad apples.
Awesome post
as acid said, very well put.
i too never understood why not just in the "eris" section but yet in any section people have demanded such items to be released.
I agree with rigamrts, I have watched this board with aw in some of the things people have said to one another. If I had root to this phone I would P.M. the members I wanted to have it just to keep out the ones that act childish. But then wouldn't I be just as childish? So I would just stop, Do my own thing, and wait as a few of the people here have done. People with no interest in this device have nothing to lose by leaving besides maybe hearing their friend saying "come on man, come back. We won't let that happen again." Its a shame this happened in our community but as with the physical community I live in there are jerks. People that you wish would leave on their own accord but stick around with T.P. stuck to their shoes looking like idiots. Anyways, thanks for the help, keep working, and feel free to leave if things get retarded again. I would do the same.
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
Videofolife13 said:
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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i could create a bolg on one of my unused email account
I think that moving the thread to the new one should work..
We have a couple of moderators all over this now..
And I can update everyday
I need you guys to update me on what to put im the 1st post so that we can get back on track
I think the blog is a great idea but the thing is we also need to keep the discussion here at XDA, the place that originally got us together. If we don't keep the support here we won't have a well known place to meet new Eris users that could potentially help. We can't do that because of one bad apple, this Is our meeting place and we need to show XDA the respect by continuing to trust their mods to do their jobs. Ya that guy should have been permanently banned but he wasn't so let's not punish XDA for that decision. My two pennies.
I agree that we need to hang out at XDA, but I also feel that we could move to somewhere where we can bounce around ideas without people hijacking threads or starting flame wars. I'm not trying to keep people in the dark, I just want to try a different place. Oh, and I'd like some people who know what they're doing to sign on. I'm just a visionary, I can't code. Haha
Ok guys here is the deal after what happend today I am a little upset I spend hours each day searching the web for exploits, why... to help. Here is what I may do, I might buy some webspace and set up a area for us to work together on. I am going to see if Jman will will join us, this is just a idea for right now. I will let you guys know when I clear my head.
Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
Clear ur head man...take care
When ya come back.head over to the new no flaming thread
Videofolife13 said:
Aren't there free blogs? Let's not throw money at this quite yet.
Oh, and I'm sorry you got upset with some people and also that I haven't been here in, well, a month or more. I thought the community was going stagnate. I'm here to stay and, like you, I'll be scrounging for exploits and doing my best to help those with the know-how by doing the leg work if they do the real work.
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rigamrts.blogspot.com
just set up one for us.
Videofolife13 said:
I think it would be cool if everyone who was interested in CONTRIBUTING to the root, whether that be via coding, finding exploits, packing these things/making user friendly tutorials, could form, basically, a Dev team. They/we could have a blog, a place where they/we can get together and chat amongst ourselves about ideas and whatever. Hopefully, then, we could have a more concrete group of people WORKING TOGETHER to achieve this one goal.
If any of the people working on root are down for it, let's make it happen. Cool? Cool. Cool? Cool.
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Well I have the pro programs for Mac and Windows to make killer video tuts, so once we have this thing rooted, I can get that out of the way.
Oh and I can host web space for you too on my server, I just don't have any domains to run the site on. You could use your ways to get a domain. (Try shorturl.com that's what I use for most of my websites.)
Questions to [email protected].
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Good Stuff Cookie...
Come over to the new thread an help us out
Its in my sig...
No one deserves root, just like no one deserves $20 from a random stranger. Sure, it'd be nice to get it, but no one deserves it. We should all be thankful for the man hours that people have put in, for no money, to try and give us $20 a piece... I mean root this thing. Seriously, it's a community, not a business.
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Video I can agree where you are comming from, it does suck the fun out of the puzzle of rooting the device with all the flaming and demanding. But on the other side where I am, I am not a programmer or a linux genius. So we almost feel like leechers taking your work with out compensation for it. So the Pool for the dev that roots the Eris is our attempt to do our part in the give take relationship we have in this community.
Sure I could spend hours and hours and hope to get where you guys are or I can offer my monitary thanks for all your work.
I am not trying to point this thread in the wrong direction and I don't want to see a bunch of "I agree" replies. Just want to convey our side, the noobs and amatures that can't do the things that you do.
I am waiting patiently and if there is anything we the non-dev's can do let us know.
binny1007 said:
Free yes but I would like some were were we can upload files to and what not. Just a idea for right now.
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I have my own web server that we can use. Let me know if you want to set something up.
would a google wave account work i have invites?
I hardly post here, this is known.
Even still....The end of the month is coming up for early adopters. Still no custom roms. This is not good news.
I pondered a resolution...and other than returning for a refund and waiting for the fascinate, I couldn't really come up with anything.
About a month ago, I was fortunate enough to read a donation thread in this section of the boards that was titled: "help buy a droid x, for developer" .
Obviously that idea has been done. So i thought what can be better?
im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.
Uh...
No, thanks
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im going to cut to the chase. most of you HAVE to know the deal and have some idea of what we need. Hopefully some of you know exactly what we need and work with it daily Perhaps somebody here has a friend that has a connection. Instead of fearing the efuse, we can start a fund for the individual(who will remain anonymous) who can upload the engineering ROM, encryption keys AND the bootloader. Once the files are verified as authentic by the talented members of xda, then the raised funds will be transferred over to the anonymous uploader of said data.
Discuss.
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sure, thats a bad idea for a couple of reasons, legal issues come to mind
we have root with froyo coming soon and the sbf just came out. id say were doing pretty good for being three weeks from launch. enjoy it for what it is and enjoy the goodies as they come. There arent many we dont already have.
custom roms dont entice people? LOL. wow.
That is all that the X needs, as it will add longevity to the device. Being binded to motorolas software release schedule, really blows. This is a great unit, it just needs some work on the software. Said fixes that most likely will only be done by devs on these forums.
Thanks LegionTHEFecalExcretion, i knew about the security breach and the sbf. Hey, at least you offered somewhat of an answer and not some peabrain bot rebuttal.
The encryption keys are, I'm very sure, tightly controlled at Motorola. Most companies have software design/build control where software ready for compiling gets checked in and typically encryption keys are locked away within these build control systems.
This means that, not only do you have to raise enough money to make it worthwhile for the person to potentially lose their job and get sued, but it's not usually all the average-Joe programmers who have access. It's probably the higher-up project managers or coding leads.
I just don't see the donation pile getting big enough to entice someone already making a very good living to take a change on losing their livelihood and getting sued over it.
Why not just enjoy the phone, be happy with the current root abilities, and know that at some point we will be able to load custom roms. Yes I want to load a vanilla rom just as bad as the next guy, however I am tired of seeing people ask "are you done, are you done, are you done yet?, how about now, now? maybe now"?
Give some breathing room to these guys, maybe they have kids, jobs, wifes, a life.
I don't understand why you guys have to be mean to the guy. He is new to the forum and probably new to smart phones. He may even have very little knowledge of what a programming environment would be like and how great the downside could be for someone to leak said information. He had what he thought was a good idea and was a b it ignorant. That does not mean he should be treated like crap.
I have some advice for you omni, go get yourself an iphone and leave this forum... i can't believe that you would have the mentality to whine about some of the brightest minds that we have come to respect in this forum, complaning that they don't work fast enough for you... your a very selfish person who has no right to treat the respected members of this forum in such a way.
I for one love this phone and will continue to use it with or without custom roms...
And a special thanks to those working on the bootloader/ custom rom programming... we will wait for your perfection.
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Some phones are easier to work with then others. The DX has not been out that long, have patience.
As an example the Droid Incredible was rooted and a custom recovery added pretty dang quick. On the other hand the Droid Eris took awhile to root and even then, some Eris users had "upgraded" to one of several "leaked" roms and could not root while others that did not leak could. I was a "leak" adopter and it took them several more months to finally get root for the "leaked" Eris owners.
Give it time. They will figure it out eventually.
Or go get something that is more customizable, like the DInc.
So its clear to anyone who's read of my root attempt or simply heard through word of mouth or whatever the case is. I'm not the most liked user here I get that no this isn't a thread to get hate or admins /mods etc mad closing the thread this is simply an apology to anyone who feels as though I was a troll a lier etc..this is simply this is partly my experience from it what I've seen from the community afterwards and what exactly went wrong with root attempt.. Now first n for most there's been a lot of hate and bs about me saying I did this or that no straight up whatever it is or who said it its false I own up to what I say and or mistakes. Now I get it y'all got a laugh or got disappointed or are simply mad about the way i type stuff out that's fine. Look I've done a lot of learning rooting ROMs etc now what I did wrong was I tried forcing it like I did my Linux box a couple years back..friend of mine he locked me out of it anyway I didn't know that with android it was a completely different thing to get root. I apologize for misleading anyone my goal was to help people but I failed I'll admit it the project went FUBAR an I completely tossed it out. Past couple months or how ever long its been since BL unlock came I've been looking into rooting devices and custom ROMs and kernels sadly i have literally to much hate around me because of a failure..my own fault I let my head get the best of me although I let everyone down here I just wanna say I'm sorry to everyone. I do not wish to be a hated member of this community Android and Linux have been something I've loved for years I'd like to bring ROMs kernels etc to the table.. But who's going to actually use it if people see how hated I am here or a failure etc. So again I apologize and I've learned from my mistakes now I ask of you the XDA community to accept my apology and move forward I'd like to become a real member here like computerfreak, baybutcher and skrilax_CZ etc just to name a few members. Not really shout outs or anything just saying I see the work the positive response from you all and I'd rather be known for good reasons as for hate comments yes I know I'm in for those it's fine. :/ but I'd like to move forward as a real contributor here and unless people can drop the hate I'm unsure if that'll happen but I hope it does to the members of XDA that I let down I'm sorry truly I am. (Also if you really want to hear what happened with root ask and I'll explain the whole story I didn't wanna type it out if no one cares...that is if anyone reads this anyway)
Everyone got too excited and you over promised. Now it's just a joke people refer to but that's due to time and the fact that the bootloader actually did get unlocked shortly after that incident. I don't hold anything against you, but I'd expect occasional jokes from the community. Actually release something (anything) and everyone will forget.
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Everyone got too excited and you over promised. Now it's just a joke people refer to but that's due to time and the fact that the bootloader actually did get unlocked shortly after that incident. I don't hold anything against you, but I'd expect occasional jokes from the community. Actually release something (anything) and everyone will forget.
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I hope you are right I've had a lot of hate and that thing with jcase and the TZ exploit that never happened on my end saying I tried getting info on it (mind you I don't steal others work nor would it have helped me due to the fact that goes for bootloaders) and well I'm not willing to screw with bootloaders at all I just want everyone to see I was over my head and was just trying to help is all
i'm tired of people that keep bringing it up, its just a reflection on their character, not yours. as far as i'm concerned its been over since before it was over.
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i'm tired of people that keep bringing it up, its just a reflection on their character, not yours. as far as i'm concerned its been over since before it was over.
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Thanks man just trying to get all this damn mess dealt with I figured straight up apology would calm the waters I can completely understand why people where upset hell I beat myself up over the failure for awhile now actually considered saying F it and just leaving XDA that's how much bs happened for awhile
Honestly, I never understood why people create a thread saying "I'm going to work on XXX" instead of just posting the work itself. I've been a member of XDA since 2009 and I've NEVER seen someone post "I'm working on this" and actually come up with something...this includes root attempts, bootloader exploits, ROM ports, etc.
Usually, the people who come out with these kind of things work on it without having to share it with the world.
Nothing productive comes out from one of those threads so I wasn't sure why the thread was even created.
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The problem is you spoke well beyond your abilities.
Learn something simpler first.
Edit stock for a bare bones pre rooted version, then make it flashable.
Compile some already built ROMs just for an idea how it works.
Then attempt building some ROMs that are based off of cm. You may be able to bring us blisspop or carbonrom with some minor help.
After you get a good grasp, perhaps you could then actually maintain a ROM.
I personally would love to see the nexus experience ROM for our device.
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The problem is you spoke well beyond your abilities.
Learn something simpler first.
Edit stock for a bare bones pre rooted version, then make it flashable.
Compile some already built ROMs just for an idea how it works.
Then attempt building some ROMs that are based off of cm. You may be able to bring us blisspop or carbonrom with some minor help.
After you get a good grasp, perhaps you could then actually maintain a ROM.
I personally would love to see the nexus experience ROM for our device.
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I'm working on porting cm 13 to my Asus transformer tf101 so I can actually contribute to the droid turbo so step in the right direction I guess
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I personally would love to see the nexus experience ROM for our device.
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And the Nexus Experience already has a head start over in the OTHER Quark forum. It was just not updated for the XT1254. So current XT1250/XT1254 -compatible Quark kernel doesn't work with it. But it's already BUILT and ran find on XT1225 until November 2015.
So, that would seem to be very achievable?
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Don't let them get to you. I don't really see how you could have hurt anyone anyhow. Even if you were feeling a little overconfident, at least you tried. I still thank you for giving it an attempt and trying to help others in the spirit of the XDA forums. I was trying at the same time and it was definitely over our heads, but that's how we learn, right? I couldn't have put together a build of CyanogenMod a year ago, but I kept at it. Just don't give up. There will always be someone who pokes fun (appropriate or not).
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Don't let them get to you. I don't really see how you could have hurt anyone anyhow. Even if you were feeling a little overconfident, at least you tried. I still thank you for giving it an attempt and trying to help others in the spirit of the XDA forums. I was trying at the same time and it was definitely over our heads, but that's how we learn, right? I couldn't have put together a build of CyanogenMod a year ago, but I kept at it. Just don't give up. There will always be someone who pokes fun (appropriate or not).
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True true I'm just happy we got bootloader unlock
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I'm working on porting cm 13 to my Asus transformer tf101 so I can actually contribute to the droid turbo so step in the right direction I guess
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How would that help the droid turbo community?
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PILLMUZIK3600 said:
How would that help the droid turbo community?
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Learning to port and build ROMs will strengthen my knowledge of Android then I can use that towards the turbo
Thread closed - point made.