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If you've upgraded to the new Lollipop 5.0.1 update (N910VVRU1BOAF) for Verizon Samsung Galaxy Note 4 (N910V):
MAKE SURE YOU NEVER TAKE ANY OTA
unless/until
IT IS CONFIRMED THAT IT IS SAFE TO UPGRADE/DOWNGRADE
or
A dev has made a SAFE UPGRADE via Odin or recovery-flashable .ZIP​
One of the main advantages of this update is that you can use ODIN to go back to KK 4.4.4 at anytime, since the bootloader isn't incremented.
For Retail Edition: This is very important if you want to gain ROOT access when available & keep it over OTAs then.
For Developer Edition: Some of you have taken the OTA & restored his aboot backup via Odin. This was fine ONLY for this update. However, if the bootloader is incremented with any coming OTA, it'll block your unlocked bootloader for good & you'll end up with a Retail Edition. Moreover, if you were able to restore your aboot over an incremented bootloader using ADB/dd/etc utilizing ROOT access, you'll most likely HARD BRICK your device since the other critical partitions (TZ, SBL, ... etc) can break boot sequence due to failure in signature verification or version check.
Do we know if the updates will automatically install after a period of time?
I'm still on 4.4.4 NJ5, and the dialog pops up periodically. I am running without using the "no OTA" script at the moment. Has anyone experienced the phone update by itself after a while?
^^^I'm not sure, but I've been postponing mine since the Ota was pushed.
Hibby- said:
Do we know if the updates will automatically install after a period of time?
I'm still on 4.4.4 NJ5, and the dialog pops up periodically. I am running without using the "no OTA" script at the moment. Has anyone experienced the phone update by itself after a while?
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droidx2.3.3 said:
^^^I'm not sure, but I've been postponing mine since the Ota was pushed.
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It's recommended to disable the OTA & manually update whenever you wish, if it's safe.
When blocking/disabling packages, which is the one that stops OTA. I've used the debloat tool for lollipop but just want to ensure that I've blocked it since I don't see any packages titled specifically as "OTA"
itspeat said:
When blocking/disabling packages, which is the one that stops OTA. I've used the debloat tool for lollipop but just want to ensure that I've blocked it since I don't see any packages titled specifically as "OTA"
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I believe your looking for "SDM"
rhilway said:
I believe your looking for "SDM"
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You are correct.
Manually updating
hsbadr said:
It's recommended to disable the OTA & manually update whenever you wish, if it's safe.
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Know where I can grab the 5.01 firmware? I've already debloated / disabled OTA's, etc.
Also, I'm going to want to flash it through Odin, right? I'm on the retail edition (N910V)
Much Appreciated
Nameless crowd face said:
Know where I can grab the 5.01 firmware? I've already debloated / disabled OTA's, etc.
Also, I'm going to want to flash it through Odin, right? I'm on the retail edition (N910V)
Much Appreciated
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For Retail Edition, follow instructions here to flash N910VVRU1BOAF_FullFirmware.tar.md5.7z!
So if if I upgraded to Lollipop can I still downgrade back to Kit Kat?
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For Retail Edition, follow instructions here to flash N910VVRU1BOAF_FullFirmware.tar.md5.7z!
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Thank you again man
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So if if I upgraded to Lollipop can I still downgrade back to Kit Kat?
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I did last night, just use Odin to flash the NJ5 firmware, when it tries to boot the first time it will bootloop. Pull the battery, replace the battery and boot to recovery (vol up+home+power) then wipe data. The phone will boot to the setup wizard for KK.
I'm a bit confused about this thread. What would the next update lock that isn't already locked? As I understand, the hope of rooting now is looking quite dim.
Not sure I care much since the SD card limitation has been addressed. That was the only reason I rooted my last phone.
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starbuckk said:
I'm a bit confused about this thread. What would the next update lock that isn't already locked? As I understand, the hope of rooting now is looking quite dim.
Not sure I care much since the SD card limitation has been addressed. That was the only reason I rooted my last phone.
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From what I understand, its been confirmed that you can downgrade back to KK from 5.01. However, any updates thereafter (esp. OTA's through your carrier) have the potential to take away that ability to downgrade. A good example of this is the situation that happend with Verizon's Galaxy S4. The Update after MDK locked both the bootloader and the ability to downgrade back to MDK. No one was able to figure out how to downgrade back to MDK and only those fortunate enough not to have taken the update after mdk could flash custom roms that weren't touchwiz based (ie aosp). Since we don't know what the future holds for root on this device, its wise to keep all of your avenues open.
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I'm a bit confused about this thread. What would the next update lock that isn't already locked? As I understand, the hope of rooting now is looking quite dim.
Not sure I care much since the SD card limitation has been addressed. That was the only reason I rooted my last phone.
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From what I understand, its been confirmed that you can downgrade back to KK from 5.01. However, any updates thereafter (esp. OTA's through your carrier) have the potential to take away that ability to downgrade. A good example of this is the situation that happend with Verizon's Galaxy S4. The Update after MDK locked both the bootloader and the ability to downgrade back to MDK. No one was able to figure out how to downgrade back to MDK and only those fortunate enough not to have taken the update after mdk could flash custom roms that weren't touchwiz based (ie aosp). Since we don't know what the future holds for root on this device, its wise to keep all of your avenues open.
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Another example, some Note 3 users fall into the trap of 4.4.4 OTA update & with no option to downgrade, they lost root, custom TW ROMs, and almost everything. Now, they're waiting with Note 4 users for a root method to rejoin the party while Note 3 on 4.4.2 can be rooted using TowelRoot.
Which tool?
itspeat said:
When blocking/disabling packages, which is the one that stops OTA. I've used the debloat tool for lollipop but just want to ensure that I've blocked it since I don't see any packages titled specifically as "OTA"
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All of the debloat tools that I find require root, which are you using?
There's a script that someone wrote to disable Ota and debloat. It doesn't need root. Sacher around on here for it
So would it be a bad idea to update just using the software update in the phones settings menu? Or should I do it by running odin? What actual difference does this make? Will this cause me issues once we do have a root method for this device?
As of now it makes no difference.
Stupid question, but how do you turn off automatic OTA on lollipop?
EDITED - an XT1095 owner on the 60.16 bootloader from a 5.1 soak bricked when he downgraded to 4.4.4 then took the 5.0 OTA. Several Brazilian XT1097 owners have done the same on the 60.14 or 60.16 bootloader.
THERE IS NO REASON TO DOWNGRADE TO 4.4.4 AFTER TAKING THE 5.1 SOAK IF THE 5.0 STOCK IMAGES ARE AVAILABLE FOR YOUR DEVICE!!!! Just flash the 5.0 stock images instead (system, kernel, modems, baseband, recovery - but not bootloader (motoboot) or partition table (gpt)).
Quite a few posters on the Q&A forum have hard bricked by taking the 5.1 soak, then downgrading to 4.4.4 then taking the 5.0 OTA. And unfortunately, the files that are necessary to restore their bootloaders are not available.
Obviously, taking an OTA after downgrading is dangerous. I would only flash the firmware myself or use Motorola Device Manager to upgrade if you have downgraded in the past.
Update - a poster on reddit is claiming that they did in fact take the brazilian 5.1 soak OTA, then downgraded to the chilean 4.4.4 then took the chilean 5.0 OTA without bricking. If this is true (and I have no way of knowing if it is true or not), what it could mean is that the OTA updater scripts are supposed to have checks in them that when your bootloader is not the right version, they prevent a brick.
From all that is posted on the Q&A forum, it looks like the Brazilian 5.0 OTA updater script did not have adequate checks in it to prevent bricking. IOW, human error in writing the brazilian 5.0 OTA updater script.
None of us can know which OTA updater script will be properly written and which ones will be defective until people start bricking. My advice is that you don't take the chance, because even if the chilean 5.0 OTA updater script was properly written, the brazilian one was not. Who knows what others were defective.
I would not take the chance myself (and I have MotoCare so it would only be $39 for me to get a new device if I brick) and don't see why anyone would. The Brazilians whose devices were bricked by the 5.0 OTA updater script are being denied warranty service for their devices due to having rooted in the past. They can tell they rooted in the past by the qe (root checker).
There is nothing to be gained by doing this and clearly at least one 5.0 OTA updater script does not prevent bricks if you have previously updated to the 5.1 soak.
I've flashed the the soak and down graded twice in the past couple of months. What is happening to cause hard bricks?
The bricks are caused when doing OTA after a downgrade. Not when flashing.
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eqjunkie829 said:
I've flashed the the soak and down graded twice in the past couple of months. What is happening to cause hard bricks?
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It happens when they downgrade to 4.4.4 then take the 5.0 OTA as stated in the OP.
AGISCI said:
The bricks are caused when doing OTA after a downgrade. Not when flashing.
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Right, so I would never take an OTA after downgrading - I would only flash the firmware or use MDM (which is the same as flashing but has checks in it).
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There has to be a reason some of us can downgrade and take the OTA without issues.
Maybe part of the problem is people trying it with a modified software status ?
I've gone back and forth a few times on my 1095 and the one thing I notice is my software status always says official.
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I responded in the other thread.
wolfu11 said:
There has to be a reason some of us can downgrade and take the OTA without issues.
Maybe part of the problem is people trying it with a modified software status ?
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The issue is with taking the 5.1 soak, downgrading to 4.4.4 then taking the 5.0 OTA. The OTAs are supposed to fail if your system and recovery are not stock. I am sure the issue is taking the 5.0 update with the 5.1 bootloader and partition table - the OTA updater script does not adequately protect you from a hard brick when you have a higher version BL and PT than the system/recovery version you are running.
You simply cannot downgrade the bootloader despite what some people are saying here - it doesn't happen. Neither fastboot nor mfastboot will downgrade your bootloader. If people were on 5.0 system and then went back to 4.4.4 system and they are still on the 4.4.4 bootloader, then it is because they never successfully flashed the 5.0 bootloader. If they had successfully flashed the 5.0 bootloader, their bootloader would not flash back to the 4.4.4 bootloader using either fastboot or mfastboot.
What is going on with the OTAs that I have seen is that once you upgrade to 5.1 via the soak OTA, you flash back to 4.4.4, which will flash your system/kernel/ramdisk/modems/baseband/recovery back to 4.4.4 but not your bootloader or partition table. Then when they take the 5.0 OTA, which is a patch, the OTA updater script is trying to patch the 5.1 bootloader and partition table as if they were the 4.4.4. This should never happen - it is totally a Motorola mistake. The 5.0 updater script should detect that the person is on a different version bootloader and partition table than 4.4.4 and it should fail rather than hard brick the phone. But it doesn't.
It is infuriating that these people are hard bricking due to Motorola's bad coding and they are being denied warranty service due to having rooted. Root has nothing to do with it - the OTA updater scripts should be coded to fail if the person is on the wrong bootloader and partition table.
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The one thing I notice is my software status always says official.
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Your qe however will show you have rooted in the past if you have ever rooted before.
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wolfu11 said:
Okay but when I've down graded before and after I sign into kitkat I get a message in the status bar saying to downgrade the firmware I click okay and it reboots. What is that downgrading?
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Not the bootloader and partition table. I explained that in my other thread.
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That doesn't answer the question, which was what does it downgrade? Anyone know ?
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Yeah, it does - I answered your question in my other thread multiple times. Just read the thread.
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Yeah, it does - I answered your question in my other thread multiple times. Just read the thread.
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Actually you didn't nor did anyone else, I'll just downgrade again and see what that Motorola firmware thing is all about.
No big deal since my phone doesn't seem to brick anyway.
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Actually you didn't nor did anyone else,
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Yeah I did, but I am not repeating it b/c I am tired of spoonfeeding people who don't know basic things yet want to argue with me. You can read the thread or don't. No sweat off of my back either way.
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No big deal since my phone doesn't seem to brick anyway.
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Because you aren't downgrading your BL or PT, lol!
Anyhow, please stop cluttering this thread. I suggest you read and learn what you are flashing then you will know. And please don't encourage other people to do dangerous things with their device when you don't even know what it is that you did with yours.
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Was just curious if you actually downgraded yourself
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Why would I do something stupid?
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or was going by hearsay.
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OK, you don't know what hearsay is. It is a rule of evidence. It has nothing at all to do with anything other than what is admissible evidence in a court of law. Completely irrelevant to anything being discussed here.
But if what you are trying to say is that I haven't done it myself so how could I possibly know - well I haven't thrown my body in front of a speeding train before but I know if I do, the chances are high I will die, lol! No, I don't have to brick my phone myself to know what could cause a brick.
I simply do not believe that all of the people on the Q&A forum who are begging for the blankflash files to be released are liars and/or making up false bricking stories out of boredom. I believe them when they say they bricked their devices and are desperate for some help.
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I won't clutter your thread any longer
Peace
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Thanks.
JulesJam said:
Why would I do something stupid?
OK, you don't know what hearsay is. It is a rule of evidence. It has nothing at all to do with anything other than what is admissible evidence in a court of law. Completely irrelevant to anything being discussed here.
But if what you are trying to say is that I haven't done it myself so how could I possibly know - well I haven't thrown my body in front of a speeding train before but I know if I do, the chances are high I will die, lol! No, I don't have to brick my phone myself to know what could cause a brick.
I simply do not believe that all of the people on the Q&A forum who are begging for the blankflash files to be released are liars and/or making up false bricking stories out of boredom. I believe them when they say they bricked their devices and are desperate for some help.
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That clears up a lot .
Thanks
FYI - a poster on reddit is claiming that they did in fact take the brazilian 5.1 soak OTA, then downgraded to the chilean 4.4.4 then took the chilean 5.0 OTA without bricking. If this is true (and I have no way of knowing if it is true or not), what it could mean is that the OTA updater scripts are supposed to have checks in them that when your bootloader is not the right version, they prevent a brick.
From all that is posted on the Q&A forum, it looks like the Brazilian 5.0 OTA updater script did not have adequate checks in it to prevent bricking. IOW, human error in writing the brazilian 5.0 OTA updater script.
None of us can know which OTA updater script will be properly written and which ones will be defective until people start bricking. My advice is that you don't take the chance, because even if the chilean 5.0 OTA updater script was properly written, the brazilian one was not. Who knows what others were defective.
I am not taking the chance myself (and I have MotoCare so it would only be $39 for me to get a new device if I brick) and don't see why anyone would. The Brazilians whose devices were bricked by the 5.0 OTA updater script are being denied warranty service for their devices due to having rooted in the past. They can tell they rooted in the past by the qe (root checker).
There is nothing to be gained by doing this and clearly at least one 5.0 OTA updater script does not prevent bricks if you have previously updated to the 5.1 soak.
Heads up peeps - the XT1095 5.1 soak OTA updater script does not have adequate checks in it to prevent a hard brick if you have downgraded and then attempt to upgrade again.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=60941697&postcount=132
So this is just like the Brazilian XT1097 5.0 OTA.
Please read the edit to the OP!!!
This happened to me and I'm so frocking pissed I didn't see this thread beforehand!! Does anyone know if a JTAG service could fix this or how Mich Motorola would charge to repair?
guys
http://www.asus.com/zentalk/forum.php?mod=redirect&goto=findpost&ptid=14836&pid=107979
asus said they cancelled this update due to unstable update...
1st i dont know what is unstable in this version[same as previous and new bug of call screen animation
2nd lol which update came without new bugs?
3rd they removed after they heard about unlocking bootloader..something fishy right :laugh:
they will probably patch the unlock method with the next update, gonna unlock the bootloader before updating to next update.
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luisoman2000 said:
they will probably patch the unlock method with the next update, gonna unlock the bootloader before updating to next update.
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ya same here..but what they will do to unlocked phones/??
ansebovi said:
ya same here..but what they will do to unlocked phones/??
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Maybe there just will be a check and it will abort if the BL is unlocked
But it should be easy to adapt these OTA updates to unlocked devices
ansebovi said:
ya same here..but what they will do to unlocked phones/??
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Nothing they can do. As long as you don't flash an OTA or full stock build. They may have a way to patch it in their droidboot.
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3rd they removed after they heard about unlocking bootloader..something fishy right :laugh:
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That was my first guess as well
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Maybe there just will be a check and it will abort if the BL is unlocked
But it should be easy to adapt these OTA updates to unlocked devices
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no i am asking about bootloader[can they lock it somehow if we flash next ota]
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Nothing they can do. As long as you don't flash an OTA or full stock build. They may have a way to patch it in their droidboot.
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so how can we update from here after ??? need to modified by someone for flashing ???
jaysus145 said:
That was my first guess as well
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ya my 1st thought too,, haha
ansebovi said:
so how can we update from here after ??? need to modified by someone for flashing ???
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That's how it works with all custom work. Once you're off stock, you're going to have to wait for someone to post a safe update/install.
Rushing in and taking an OTA is a very common way of breaking your build. Like what we see with running an OTA while rooted. Any number of problems can come up.
They could patch any number of things that would give you a very bad day.
With the support we have here though, we'll probably have flashable, safe OTA zips within a few hours of an OTA being captured/downloaded.
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That's how it works with all custom work. Once you're off stock, you're going to have to wait for someone to post a safe update/install.
Rushing in and taking an OTA is a very common way of breaking your build. Like what we see with running an OTA while rooted. Any number of problems can come up.
They could patch any number of things that would give you a very bad day.
With the support we have here though, we'll probably have flashable, safe OTA zips within a few hours of an OTA being captured/downloaded.
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well i am from sony device..they release main update of android..and 1 bug fix,thats all...so we dont care..and no need to worry about relocking issues..
this is the first asus device...man they releasing update for every 10days..i thought we could apply just like that..but since they didnt gave unlocked bootloader tool ,i got these doubt..
and thanks for info..
so i must wait for zips which is modified for unlocked bootloader[if they trying to relock]
I honestly doubt they're going to find a way to relock it with an update, but who knows what voodoo they may come up with.
Either way, we'll grab the updates and get them ready to be flashed quickly. It's a simple process.
I highly doubt he will do anything regarding unlocking/locking bootloader. because:
1. last year they released their official tool to unlock zenfone 4,5,6 bootloader after 3-4 months of release.
2. This year when they launched the zf2 in US they hold contest and developer events via xda. Now xda is a place where no one keeps their bootloader locked. so they knew exactly where they are releasing and advertising the product.
So I dont think they would even bother about this bootloader . Maybe it is an unstable build in terms of their quality test.
Dang, and my 551 (2/16GB) is still in transit.
Was browsing the forum and this thread - has 2.19 been captured and saved somewhere else, or was everyone just downloading off ASUS servers for this OTA (when forced)?
I don't know if I would want 2.19 yet. Maybe to keep on my PC until the right time. That is, if 2.20 comes out and the BL hole is plugged, and those who were on 2.19 (and took advantage of the bootloader unlocking) still got the update successfully - if either of those two outcomes are false, I wouldn't use it.
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Dang, and my 551 (2/16GB) is still in transit.
Was browsing the forum and this thread - has 2.19 been captured and saved somewhere else, or was everyone just downloading off ASUS servers for this OTA (when forced)?
I don't know if I would want 2.19 yet. Maybe to keep on my PC until the right time. That is, if 2.20 comes out and the BL hole is plugged, and those who were on 2.19 (and took advantage of the bootloader unlocking) still got the update successfully - if either of those two outcomes are false, I wouldn't use it.
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Everthings here http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/general/ota-links-stock-rom-t3093999
android is open source. and roms are not illegal. so why bother? i don't think asus is interested on ours bootloader plus, other zenfone's are already unlocked
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Dang, and my 551 (2/16GB) is still in transit.
Was browsing the forum and this thread - has 2.19 been captured and saved somewhere else, or was everyone just downloading off ASUS servers for this OTA (when forced)?
I don't know if I would want 2.19 yet. Maybe to keep on my PC until the right time. That is, if 2.20 comes out and the BL hole is plugged, and those who were on 2.19 (and took advantage of the bootloader unlocking) still got the update successfully - if either of those two outcomes are false, I wouldn't use it.
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Even if your phone gets here on a newer version (it won't), you could always downgrade everything and unlock from there. =)
Shakalaka has backups of everything going back to like version 2.12 or 2.13.
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android is open source. and roms are not illegal. so why bother? i don't think asus is interested on ours bootloader plus, other zenfone's are already unlocked
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Problem is they can't support any ROM that isn't official on the zenfone. They'll pass you off. Like most manufacturers.
These are just official update links from Asus. Not backups. Asus can shut those down at any point. Not saying they will.
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http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/orig-development/rom-pre-root-img-t3079590
one more doubt..
i think 2.17 is stable build from asus without the android os drinking the battery
now i have unlocked the bootloader ,can i reflash the 2.17[asking since it doesnt have the things which enabled to unlock bootloader] ...or once unlocked,we can do anything like other brands phone?
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These are just official update links from Asus. Not backups. Asus can shut those down at any point. Not saying they will.
See here for pre-rooted ROM backups:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/zenfone2/orig-development/rom-pre-root-img-t3079590
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I downloaded the appropriate OTA the other night, so if ASUS pulls the file, I still have it and can share it on Dropbox and/or Copy.
I get the phone today! So hopefully tonight I get the OTA up to 2.18 and then wait to see what upcoming 2.20 has to offer. If we can still unlock the BL with 2.20, I will let that OTA happen. Similarly if we find out that those who unlocked their bootloaders can't take the update (at that point I will cry a little, if there is no official way to unlock BL released with the update ).
If both scenarios above are false, then I will apply my downloaded 2.19, unlock the bootloader, then accept 2.20.
Best one could do eh?
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ansebovi said:
one more doubt..
i think 2.17 is stable build from asus without the android os drinking the battery
now i have unlocked the bootloader ,can i reflash the 2.17[asking since it doesnt have the things which enabled to unlock bootloader] ...or once unlocked,we can do anything like other brands phone?
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I cannot imagine it would re-lock the bootloader. Should be able to downgrade, as long as you use the whole image and not just the OTA zip.
Now you got me wondering....
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I cannot imagine it would re-lock the bootloader. Should be able to downgrade, as long as you use the whole image and not just the OTA zip.
Now you got me wondering....
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no i didnt mean it will relock,..
but the unlocked needed some file right..it modifies something right? ...and it is not present in old things..so can old fw run on unlocked bootloader? [or would it get bootloop or damage bootloader]
I'm using the Amazon version of the g5 plus. Is it even possible to downgrade to nougat on this?
I'm gonna say no... bootloader can't be unlocked. But why would you want to? There are no real issues with Oreo...
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I'm using the Amazon version of the g5 plus. Is it even possible to downgrade to nougat on this?
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Yes, you can downgrade to nougat but you should remove the bootloader and gpt codes , so your device won't hard brick.
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I'm gonna say no... bootloader can't be unlocked. But why would you want to? There are no real issues with Oreo...
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Well I just hate the fact that night mode was removed. Now when I use an app for blue light filter, it only works while using the phone. Not on the lockscreen not the pulldown notifications bar. An annoyance more than an actual issue but still...
riyan65 said:
Yes, you can downgrade to nougat but you should remove the bootloader and gpt codes , so your device won't hard brick.
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Except if you do this, and happen to accept an OTA later it will hard brick if experience with previous Moto devices holds.
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Except if you do this, and happen to accept an OTA later it will hard brick if experience with previous Moto devices holds.
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I don't think so, as you are using the latest bootloader with old firmware, after if you update also it just going to update as normal happeneds. If you won't downgrade your bootloader it won't brick at all.yes by updating there could a soft brick chances,but that can be recoverable by fast boot.
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I don't think so, as you are using the latest bootloader with old firmware, after if you update also it just going to update as normal happeneds. If you won't downgrade your bootloader it won't brick at all.yes by updating there could a soft brick chances,but that can be recoverable by fast boot.
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I can tell you with 100% certainty that this can happen, and did on Moto G 2015 and Moto X Pure. If you upgraded, then downgraded by fastboot flashing and skipping bootloader and GPT, then you take an OTA update back to the higher version it would hardbrick... No boot, no bootloader, no fastboot... falls immediately into Qloader 9008 mode. It related to the partition table, which is in gpt.bin, and how it resizes it. I know it doesn't make sense, but it definitely happens.
You could always reflash the full factory to upgrade though, that worked... But that OTA was bad news on a device that was downgraded.
acejavelin said:
I can tell you with 100% certainty that this can happen, and did on Moto G 2015 and Moto X Pure. If you upgraded, then downgraded by fastboot flashing and skipping bootloader and GPT, then you take an OTA update back to the higher version it would hardbrick... No boot, no bootloader, no fastboot... falls immediately into Qloader 9008 mode. It related to the partition table, which is in gpt.bin, and how it resizes it. I know it doesn't make sense, but it definitely happens.
You could always reflash the full factory to upgrade though, that worked... But that OTA was bad news on a device that was downgraded.
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It thought it was impossible to flash a stock room with a locked bootloader? I have the Amazon version of the Moto g5 plus. Am I missing something?
jmindset said:
It thought it was impossible to flash a stock room with a locked bootloader? I have the Amazon version of the Moto g5 plus. Am I missing something?
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You can flash a stock ROM that is the same version or higher, in the same software channel, on a locked bootloader... you cannot downgrade or use a different software channel with a locked bootloader.
Sorry, we kind of got off on a bit of a tangent there.
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You can flash a stock ROM that is the same version or higher, in the same software channel, on a locked bootloader... you cannot downgrade or use a different software channel with a locked bootloader.
Sorry, we kind of got off on a bit of a tangent there.
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It's ok lol so basically I won't be able to downgrade? Knowing Motorola they won't bother responding to the complaints https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-G...-provided-in-moto-g5-plus/td-p/4222569/page/4
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It's ok lol so basically I won't be able to downgrade? Knowing Motorola they won't bother responding to the complaints https://forums.lenovo.com/t5/Moto-G...-provided-in-moto-g5-plus/td-p/4222569/page/4
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Correct... You cannot downgrade without an unlocked bootloader, and you cannot unlock the bootloader on an Amazon device.
Moto is now owned by Lenovo, since this occurred they have shown little interest in enhancing or changing anything they release for a device over 6 months old. Unless there is tremendous outcry, meaning like 10's of thousands of people... We tried to petition them to continue update on the Moto G 2015 a while back (something that was stated initially in the devices release) and got about 25,000 signatures. Lenovo didn't even acknowledge it existed. So if you want a significant change in a device, you are going need to get a fairly LARGE outcry from customers, like 50k+ I am guessing, before they would even consider thinking about it, and that isn't likely to happen.
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Correct... You cannot downgrade without an unlocked bootloader, and you cannot unlock the bootloader on an Amazon device.
Moto is now owned by Lenovo, since this occurred they have shown little interest in enhancing or changing anything they release for a device over 6 months old. Unless there is tremendous outcry, meaning like 10's of thousands of people... We tried to petition them to continue update on the Moto G 2015 a while back (something that was stated initially in the devices release) and got about 25,000 signatures. Lenovo didn't even acknowledge it existed. So if you want a significant change in a device, you are going need to get a fairly LARGE outcry from customers, like 50k+ I am guessing, before they would even consider thinking about it, and that isn't likely to happen.
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Lol and for that exact reason, I will not purchase another Motorola device. So glad that the mid-range phone market is getting wider each year. I will purchase a Nokia 7.1 next. At least that phone will get guaranteed updates for the next few years.
Just adding to this thread, even if it were possible to downgrade the system to nougat, you would have problems with losing your IMEI. The fix would require root access, and again that's not possible on a locked bootloader.
We have a new G5 Plus (running stock Nougat) that is prompting for the OTA update to Oreo.
Question: Will the bootloader be unlockable after the update to Oreo?
I intend to unlock the bootloader, but sometimes the ability to unlock it is blocked after an update like this. Sometimes, unlocking the BL before an update blocks the update.
DECloyd said:
We have a new G5 Plus (running stock Nougat) that is prompting for the OTA update to Oreo.
Question: Will the bootloader be unlockable after the update to Oreo?
I intend to unlock the bootloader, but sometimes the ability to unlock it is blocked after an update like this. Sometimes, unlocking the BL before an update blocks the update.
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You can unlock the bootloader in oreo also.
riyan65 said:
You can unlock the bootloader in oreo also.
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Great! Thanks!
BTW, in your opinion, do you think that the G5 Plus will get updates past Oreo?
That might seem like an unrelated question, but I'm looking at the idea of adding some audio mods that require root and don't mind waiting until the official updates have settled down. Then I'll unlock, root, etc.
DECloyd said:
Great! Thanks!
BTW, in your opinion, do you think that the G5 Plus will get updates past Oreo?
That might seem like an unrelated question, but I'm looking at the idea of adding some audio mods that require root and don't mind waiting until the official updates have settled down. Then I'll unlock, root, etc.
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Only via flashed custom ROMs will system software past Oreo exist on the G5 Plus. G series phones get slated for one major system update.
It would be better if you atleast get the unlock code while on nougat. There are issue in Oreo. Some people were having issues where the unlock data provided by the phone was said to be incomplete when pasti g it on Moto's site in order to get the unlock code.
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It would be better if you atleast get the unlock code while on nougat. There are issue in Oreo. Some people were having issues where the unlock data provided by the phone was said to be incomplete when pasti g it on Moto's site in order to get the unlock code.
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Thanks! I will do that.
DECloyd said:
Thanks! I will do that.
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It is done. Thank you!
DECloyd said:
It is done. Thank you!
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Great:good: