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"You won't get 5.0 update if you have rooted your device" says MOTOROLA

Here is a copy of chat with motorola executive

This is because of new update script used in Lollipop.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...e-means-update-will-fail-system-modified-way/

bhavin192 said:
This is because of new update script used in Lollipop.
http://www.androidpolice.com/2014/1...e-means-update-will-fail-system-modified-way/
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I have flashed logo.bin file to remove unlock bootloader warning. will it make my device ineligible?

spbias said:
I have flashed logo.bin file to remove unlock bootloader warning. will it make my device ineligible?
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Better would be flash stock firmware or revert the changes and update the phone as written in the post by androidpolice

bhavin192 said:
Better would be flash stock firmware or revert the changes and update the phone as written in the post by androidpolice
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I flashed lolipop in my xt1068, then i reverted back to stock. In this process my unlocked bootloader warning is gone but bootloader is still unlocked. I don't want to flash the stock back right away If i get ota update its good butt if i won't there is xda always for me right?
Thanks for your help though

If you're on stock rom+recovery and you're not rooted, you can have your bootloader unlocked, you will still get the official update.

zman01 said:
If you're on stock rom+recovery and you're not rooted, you can have your bootloader unlocked, you will still get the official update.
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yeah thanks

Thanks a lot

I am carrying a XT1063, right out of the box, unmodified, as virgin as it could be and still NO Lolipop update 'til now and I keep patiently waiting.
The executive team should have cared for us more than worrying about rooted ones.

As usual chat support doesn't know diddly, because I received all the lollipop OTAs while being rooted.
You just can't install them while rooted though. So revert to your pre-root backup (YOU BACKED UP YOUR /SYSTEM BEFORE ROOTING, RIGHT??!??) and then install the OTA.

spbias said:
Here is a copy of chat with motorola executive
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HA HA HA! Great LAME joke by historical JOKERS! I have longtime rage on this company due to past bad experiences with this company. They did good by allowing easy and official unlock procedure.
But here you missed the GOLDEN CHANCE TO HUMILIATE them! I would have typed this, >>>> "LIKE WE DO CARE? HA HA HA! Look MotoJokers, if update comes to one UnRooted/Locked phone, it will be on all Rooted/UnLocked Phones within few hours! Go ahead and prove yourself loser. BTW I am on Brazil Lollipop 5.0.1"
LITERALLY! I would have literally said that. You really missed This happened in past and still no one worried.
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If you're on stock rom+recovery and you're not rooted, you can have your bootloader unlocked, you will still get the official update.
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Thats not always true. The update installer can easily trace the status of UNLOCKED bootloader and may refuse to install. Thats mostly possible. So dont just under-estimate. Update procedures can also recognize the rooted phone status and reject to install.
Does not matter if one unlocked/rooted phone gets next update, most people here on xda will have within few hours.

Lol seems like I missed for sure. Anyways I was only trying to gather info so....
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Guys I've had devices from apple, Samsung, sony and HTC plz stop *****in at least moto gives u an opportunity to taste the best as soon as possible, no one else does so stop complaining

cmahendra said:
Thats not always true. The update installer can easily trace the status of UNLOCKED bootloader and may refuse to install. Thats mostly possible. So dont just under-estimate. Update procedures can also recognize the rooted phone status and reject to install.
Does not matter if one unlocked/rooted phone gets next update, most people here on xda will have within few hours.
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In this case it's true, but if you don't beleive me, you can go to motorola owner's forum and ask them.

If people got the OTA's, then some of them will upload it so rooted and/or impatient users can flash them manually right?

votinh said:
I am carrying a XT1063, right out of the box, unmodified, as virgin as it could be and still NO Lolipop update 'til now and I keep patiently waiting.
The executive team should have cared for us more than worrying about rooted ones.
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I feel the exact same way! I've got a straight from Motorola retail XT1064 no changes and nothing....

I can't believe anyone would call that chat support an "executive"

What would you say then??
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spbias said:
What would you say then??
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First level CSR....

Okay I will remember that for next time. It doesn't matter anyways. What matters is the info.
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[UNLOCK] Unofficial bootloader unlock on it's way

On twitter autoprime tweeted a few days ago
The incoming LG G4 unlock from LGVIET will be for "v0" qfuse only. Hope you USA users didn't take an ota. Congrats to LGVIET and company.
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And later on this discussion:
[...]will work on all locked v0 G4's.. tho Verizon needs a bit of extra fiddling.
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Source: https://twitter.com/utoprime/status/649654317939601408
Maybe we will see unofficial unlock on all carrier devices soon
But what means "v0"? Where can I see whether my phone is "v0"?
Edit: Link to LGVIET Forum thread:
http://lgviet.com/forum/threads/twp...t-lg-f500l-lg-f500k-lg-f500s-by-lgviet.48299/

great news... but yah what's v0???
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So we will see the twrp bump for all the g4 versions? WAAAOW

V0 has to do with the anti rollback flag that newer firmwares install. A newer firmware will change v0 to v1 or v2 etc. Flashing older firmware will make the phone very unhappy. It's why, on several US based phones, trying to downgrade will brick the phone COMPLETELY. Search for my PSA thread.

As far as I know this does not affect H815 international or am I wrong?
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Thats mean we dont lose the warranty if we unlcock unoficially ?
Enviado desde mi LG-H815 mediante Tapatalk

V0 is the shipped firmware that your device came with, at least it is with Verizon. I think the firmware version (for Verizon) is 10b. I've stayed on it this whole time so I'm hoping it pays off.
The guy that originally posted about the bootloader unlock has been really quiet though. I hope he plans to release.

Looks like I have a bit to wait. I checked it in your PSA thread before not knowing what it meant but now I do. I'm on v2. :/
For the most part I'm probably better off waiting for that official bootloader unlock if it should ever come.

Trying not to think of D3. v1.1 here, rooted, bloat gone, Google sms & keyboard, ota nutered, Tether & Mobil hotspot mod. G2 was so fast it tripped over itself. G4 with 8 cores? we are moving forward. Fingers crossed on bootloader unlock.

Is it worth unlocking now that marshmallow is not that far from coming up in our devices?

How to check bootloader
How do i check my boatloader version

Will 11a work or should I just go ahead and sell this crap before my disappointment arrives?

You can checked by looking at this thread

S1L3nTShaDoWz said:
Will 11a work or should I just go ahead and sell this crap before my disappointment arrives?
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if you have a USA G4 and ever took an OTA update (forced or manual) then you are not on v0.
11a was an OTA update.
For those asking what version they're on... see this post http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=62842317&postcount=16
notice the antirollback option at the very bottom. don't have that option? then you can't check with that menu.
If you ever flashed a KDZ to a USA G4.. then you are no you are not at v0. All USA KDZ's are at least v1.
95% of all the USA G4 users are at v1 or higher. Unless you went out of your way to block OTA updates on the device within the first few weeks of releases.. it's probably already taken an update or two.
If you have a non-USA G4 then you are on v0.
mu3g said:
Hi Autoprime,
Attached is my screenshot of AT&T LG G4 H810 running 10g and rooted. It says the Sub S/W version is 0....does that indicate the anti-rollback feature is NOT enabled, i.e., I might be on v0 and therefore unlock my bootloader?
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you're v1
g_ding84 said:
I bought Verizon G4 last week and it came with 11a.
So I guess it was forced before I bought it. If I'm reading correctly, I would not be able to unlock the boot loader. Correct?
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correct, at least a bootloader unlock method made for v0 devices. v1+ isn't impossible... but less likely someone will post an exploit for those devices any time soon.
NighthawkXL said:
This doesn't apply to the H811 correct? I thought our bootloader was unlocked from the start.
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correct
dsilx said:
What if we were att bricked an was forced pr firmware
Because im new to this all an also is h810Pr10A v 1 or nah thanks in advance
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v1

autoprime said:
if you have a USA G4 and ever took an OTA update (forced or manual) then you are not on v0.
11a was an OTA update.
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That sucks, oh well. Congrats to everyone else then .

autoprime said:
if you have a USA G4 and ever took an OTA update (forced or manual) then you are not on v0.
11a was an OTA update.
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Hi Autoprime,
Attached is my screenshot of AT&T LG G4 H810 running 10g and rooted. It says the Sub S/W version is 0....does that indicate the anti-rollback feature is NOT enabled, i.e., I might be on v0 and therefore unlock my bootloader?
EDIT: Attached the bottom half of the page as well..2 screenshots. Thanks for your help!

Confused
Does this mean im on v1

autoprime said:
if you have a USA G4 and ever took an OTA update (forced or manual) then you are not on v0.
11a was an OTA update.
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I bought Verizon G4 last week and it came with 11a.
So I guess it was forced before I bought it. If I'm reading correctly, I would not be able to unlock the boot loader. Correct?

This doesn't apply to the H811 correct? I thought our bootloader was unlocked from the start.

Pr firmware
autoprime said:
if you have a USA G4 and ever took an OTA update (forced or manual) then you are not on v0.
11a was an OTA update.
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What if we were att bricked an was forced pr firmware
Because im new to this all an also is h810Pr10A v 1 or nah thanks in advance

How do I pull the 6.0 OTA??

I've received the update! Downloaded! But did not install it yet & I dont have rooted device so can some one help me with Pulling the OTA?
PS- I never signed for any Moto Program so its not like leaking the update!

I just came across this.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=53123800
Sent from my Moto XPE

Thanks for that @JoeNeckbone but can you tell me the specific commands to pull the OTA ?

Maybe this can help:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63816327&postcount=41

I replied to your post in the Soak Test thread, I just wanna say thanks again for doing this for us, we owe you one if you pull this off!

Hey @hamburgertrain Most probably I wont be able to root the device as I just have the device for review! Any non rooted method? Else I might just go ahead and root it if nothing works!

TheDj408 said:
Hey @hamburgertrain Most probably I wont be able to root the device as I just have the device for review! Any non rooted method? Else I might just go ahead and root it if nothing works!
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I don't know of any non-root methods, though someone else might.
Rooting would involve unlocking the bootloader through fastboot, using Motorola's unlock page.
I wish I could be of more help!

@hamburgertrain I'll wait for someone else to reply before I update!

Isn't the OTA in /cache located?

makeitra1n said:
Isn't the OTA in /cache located?
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That's what people say on motorola phones is location of OTA's.

Has anybody uploaded the a flashable rom yet?

Jay794 said:
Has anybody uploaded the a flashable rom yet?
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Do you see any ? It's to early dude.
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patt2k said:
Do you see any ? It's to early dude.
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If I saw one I wouldn't be asking would i
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TheDj408 said:
I've received the update! Downloaded! But did not install it yet & I dont have rooted device so can some one help me with Pulling the OTA?
PS- I never signed for any Moto Program so its not like leaking the update!
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Dhananjay bhai please upload the marshmallow ota. Only u r the last hope left as i am tired waiting for ota on my moto x style... I had rooted my moto x style.. But even after 2 days of restoring to stock and locking the bootloader again, i haven't received any update.. I am going insane cauze of this..

Do you make it ?

ankushgautam said:
Dhananjay bhai please upload the marshmallow ota. Only u r the last hope left as i am tired waiting for ota on my moto x style... I had rooted my moto x style.. But even after 2 days of restoring to stock and locking the bootloader again, i haven't received any update.. I am going insane cauze of this..
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how do you reblock the bootloader ? (any tutorial)

Ghost9867 said:
how do you reblock the bootloader ? (any tutorial)
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Yes there is a detailed tutorial here... Follow the link
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=63758509&postcount=192

Jay794 said:
If I saw one I wouldn't be asking would i
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If it's not in Moto X Style Pure android dev or original section you won't see it.

TheDj408 said:
Thanks for that @JoeNeckbone but can you tell me the specific commands to pull the OTA ?
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Commands should be in thread, I have not done it before.
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Ota has already been pulled nd uploaded on xda... I have flashed it successfully via stock recovery and now enjoying android m on my moto x style indian retail unit

Disregard PSA, SunShine works on SU4TL-44 and SU4TL-49 now.

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Disregard PSA, SunShine works on SU4TL-44 and SU4TL-49 now.
Just a PSA, after the new SU4TL-49 5.1 update SunShine will be unable to unlock the bootloader. If you are already unlocked, you are fine (dont relock it!).
If you take the 5.1-SU4TL-49 or 6.0 beta update prior to unlocking, then you are so out of luck.

jcase said:
Just a PSA, after the new SU4TL-49 5.1 update SunShine will be unable to unlock the bootloader. If you are already unlocked, you are fine (dont relock it!).
If you take the 5.1-SU4TL-49 or 6.0 beta update prior to unlocking, then you are so out of luck.
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Where is this or what is this beta u speak of?
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hm,i only choose to update the offical mm...but thx to warning us

gangrenius said:
Where is this or what is this beta u speak of?
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It's a soak test.

No! It's a OTA update. You should have it right now. Check for updates. I just installed it last night with no problems. I installed a stock rom. Ran the update, Then rooted again. Simple

@ChazzMatt is speaking of the Marshmallow soak test. @smooth781 is speaking of the Droid Turbo OTA that is still 5.1 (23.21.49.en.US). Both were mentioned in op.

jcase said:
If you take the 5.1-SU4TL-49 or 6.0 beta update prior to unlocking, then you are so out of luck.
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gangrenius said:
Where is this or what is this beta u speak of?
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ChazzMatt said:
It's a soak test.
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smooth781 said:
No! It's a OTA update. You should have it right now. Check for updates. I just installed it last night with no problems. I installed a stock rom. Ran the update, Then rooted again. Simple
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Please actually read the thread before replying. The op clearly mentioned the 6.0 beta and someone asked about it. I answered.
6.0 beta = the Marshmallow soak test.
The Marshmallow soak test is by invitation only and is not an OTA update. Emails went out several days ago.
One of the Quarks (XT1225) already has Marshmallow, and now the Verizon Droid Turbo is being tested for Marshmallow. Chop Chop action is removed in official Marshmallow ROM, or at least it was by the final soak test of the Brazil XT1225 Soak Test #3. It was still there in Soak Test #1.
It's also being removed from the Marshmallow custom ROMs (CM13 and Resurection Remix), at least until the CM dev figures out why Motorola removed it and if it's safe to put back.
Thanks to XDA devs, we've had Marshmallow for months now -- no thanks to Motorola.

ChazzMatt said:
It's also being removed from the Marshmallow custom ROMs (CM13 and Resurection Remix), at least until the CM dev figures out why Motorola removed it and if it's safe to put back.
Thanks to XDA devs, we've had Marshmallow for months now -- no thanks to Motorola.
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Do you have any idea what the rationale is for removing it from CM, and therefore RR? Why would a feature like this be considered "unsafe?" I use it pretty regularly and if the next RR update implements this, I will not be updating.
@baybutcher27, what are your thoughts on this?

TheSt33v said:
Do you have any idea what the rationale is for removing it from CM, and therefore RR? Why would a feature like this be considered "unsafe?" I use it pretty regularly and if the next RR update implements this, I will not be updating.
@baybutcher27, what are your thoughts on this?
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Motorola removed it from the Quark Marshmallow ROM, final soak test #3.
CM dev then removed it -- at least for now. Resurrection Remix is CM based.
Skrilax_CZ said:
The reason is proprietaries have been updated to soak #3 as well. It'll keep it disabled until I learn more about why it was disabled.
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It may be added back in the future.

Wait, Would I be able to update? I've unlocked the bootloader, and am rooted on stock rom.
What would I need to do?

KOAO said:
Wait, Would I be able to update? I've unlocked the bootloader, and am rooted on stock rom.
What would I need to do?
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I assume if your bootloader is unlocked and you are rooted that you have TWRP custom recovery. Pretty sure OTA would fail. But that's not a bad thing. You don't want to be the one to find out the OTA locks your bootloader permanently. (Probably wouldn't, since you are already unlocked, and having custom recovery will prevent the OTA from installing -- but still you don't want to be the one to find out this time Verizon did something very sneaky.)
If your bootloader is unlocked, you would manually flash the eventual official Marshmallow XT1254 update manually -- not taking it as an "OTA". There will be download links available here on XDA. And you would wait until others have done it first.
Or you would flash a custom Marshmallow ROM, again manually -- either one by @computerfreek274 which would be stock-based (not available yet) or a CM13-based ROM (CM13 or Resurrection Remix) or an AOSP-based ROM (Mokee).
We already have three custom Marshmallow ROMs for ALL Quarks -- CM13, Resurrection Remix, Mokee and Motorola recently finalized stock ROM for the other Quark, the XT1225.
As soon as Motorola/Verizon get their act together for the XT1254/XT1250, you will have a stock Marshmallow ROM available to flash for the XT1254 and @computerfreek274 will also release a "stock-based" ROM for people to flash -- if you want to stay with pure stock or stock-based.

My cell standby battery drain has taken a turn for the worse since updating the modem. It worked fine (comparatively) in the past. Anyone else have this issue? I'm going to flash back the old modem and see if it fixes things.
Edit: Yup, flashed back to 44 and it's back to normal.

drizzzzzz said:
My cell standby battery drain has taken a turn for the worse since updating the modem. It worked fine (comparatively) in the past. Anyone else have this issue? I'm going to flash back the old modem and see if it fixes things.
Edit: Yup, flashed back to 44 and it's back to normal.
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Yeah, the OTA update was basically worthless -- just an excuse to prevent Sunshine from working to unlock the bootloader.

jcase said:
Just a PSA, after the new SU4TL-49 5.1 update SunShine will be unable to unlock the bootloader. If you are already unlocked, you are fine (dont relock it!).
If you take the 5.1-SU4TL-49 or 6.0 beta update prior to unlocking, then you are so out of luck.
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i need relock the bootloader , my power botom is broke somebody knows how i can relock it , thanks
sorry for my bad english...

jorgkrkmo said:
i need relock the bootloader , my power botom is broke somebody knows how i can relock it , thanks
sorry for my bad english...
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Don't lock it. Leave it unlocked, even if you send it in.

is there a chance sunshine will be updated to unlock the new version as well?

rhcreed said:
is there a chance sunshine will be updated to unlock the new version as well?
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Theres a "chance" but a very slim one. The sunshine devs are not going to pour time and effort into it, but if they do find an exploit they will update it

rhcreed said:
is there a chance sunshine will be updated to unlock the new version as well?
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The exploit they used has been closed.

Wynnded said:
The exploit they used has been closed.
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can the phone be reverted to an unlock able version?

rhcreed said:
can the phone be reverted to an unlock able version?
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No. Stock firmware with locked bootloader is not downgradeable.
People were told from the very beginning NOT to take the update unless your bootloader was unlocked first. Not just in this thread but several others.
Anyone who took the SU4TL-49 update with a locked bootloader does not care about unlocking their bootloader.
1) the Sunshine exploit has been available since November 2015. People have had six months to unlock their bootloaders! Why is it suddenly important now?
2) the Android SU4TL-49 update only showed up less than two weeks ago (early May 2016). It's the first firmware update since the exploit was released.
3) People were warned Android SU4TL-49 would close the Sunshine exploit. But even common sense would tell people that -- knowing control freak Verizon and their locked down bootloaders.

Help Soak To OTA N XT1643

Hello I flashed the NPJ-25.75-2 soak because everyone told me that I would get OTA but, now that the OTA is out I'm not getting OTA what to do ??

Downgrade to marshmallow then u can get the ota

gamer96 said:
Downgrade to marshmallow then u can get the ota
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Don't want downgrade is there any alternative

no options .
there are minor changes like moto animation and some others in OTA . i have tried both one
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Psy'Ed said:
Hello I flashed the NPJ-25.75-2 soak because everyone told me that I would get OTA but, now that the OTA is out I'm not getting OTA what to do ??
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They didn't tell that you here. Downgrade or live with it.
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parth00790 said:
no options .
there are minor changes like moto animation and some others in OTA . i have tried both one
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OK is there any way to root soak N . With locked bootloader

no way . unlock bootloader
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---------- Post added at 04:28 PM ---------- Previous post was at 04:28 PM ----------
wait for next upgrate. you will get it on soak test
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I have tried to warn you people, but was "drown" by people that said it didn't matter:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/nougat-failed-os-t3526207
Take it with them now and ask them how come you will have to give up your warranty... by unlocking the bootloader.
Or wait for an update that you will not get OTA (since you are not officially on the list of phones that received soak ).

Psy'Ed said:
OK is there any way to root soak N . With locked bootloader
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You can not root with a locked bootloader,.

SoNic67 said:
I have tried to warn you people, but was "drown" by people that said it didn't matter:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/moto-g4-plus/how-to/nougat-failed-os-t3526207
Take it with them now and ask them how come you will have to give up your warranty... by unlocking the bootloader.
Or wait for an update that you will not get OTA (since you are not officially on the list of phones that received soak ).
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Yup I should have listened to people like you & not A

Tel864 said:
You can not root with a locked bootloader,.
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My question is . Is it possible to unlock The bootloader on soak N because doesn't the soak change the bootloader also? That much you should have figured out by yourself.

Psy'Ed said:
Don't want downgrade is there any alternative
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wait until we get stock nougat firmware later u can flash it through adb :good:

gamer96 said:
wait until we get stock nougat firmware later u can flash it through adb :good:
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OK will wait . ?Thanks

why are you being so hype. ??
just relax bro nothing have changed in official ota ( just boot animation saying ' hello Moto ' )
wait for next update ????
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Soak test having bug in finger print
Finger print having problem while adding more than 2 finger, even unable to delete all finger print. hope moto release full nogat firmware asap and all youtube blogger went silent who have said that after flashing this firmware you will get official ota. RIP those bloggers.

you may have some other issues .
i have used for a week and i dont find any bugs in that file.
and it was official soak test unofficially leaked ???
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