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Hi everyone, I've been planning on buying the Moto X play pretty soon, got some questions though that may or may not change my mind.
How is the development relationship with Motorola in general in terms of sources releasing and bootloader unlocking?
Any kernel/device sources they have released for the Moto X Play?
I've seen CM12 on the device but is it the official branch? Also are there any features lost? (for example the camera quality seems to degrade on some phones with different roms)
Thanks.
(if this is on the wrong forum section please correct me)
Not sure the first 2 questions, maybe a dev can answer those but I can say the the version of CM12.1 developed by Squid2 is unofficial however he plans on turning his CM13 branch into the official branch for Moto X play. This is usually how its done anyways. Someone starts building and maintaining an unofficial branch and then moves to building and maintaining the official branch.
What is your budget
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What is your budget
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Around the price of this phone and in my opinion it's also the best phone but i'm curious about it's development status before i get one and potentially develop for it too.
TommyDN said:
Hi everyone, I've been planning on buying the Moto X play pretty soon, got some questions though that may or may not change my mind.
How is the development relationship with Motorola in general in terms of sources releasing and bootloader unlocking?
Any kernel/device sources they have released for the Moto X Play?
I've seen CM12 on the device but is it the official branch? Also are there any features lost? (for example the camera quality seems to degrade on some phones with different roms)
Thanks.
(if this is on the wrong forum section please correct me)
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Motorola was a bit slower to release source code than I'd like (they took a month after release), but that's not too bad. This phone is not difficult to develop for. My CM12.1 port is solid, everything works and the camera quality is excellent. My CM13 port is a WIP and is buggier, but it'll get there in time.
Performance wise, this phone sits somewhere between the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5. The animations and some operations on the Motorola 5.1 stock ROM are not quite as smooth as I'd like, though it's not terrible either. On my recent CM12.1 builds performance is significantly better than the stock ROM, and CM13 is buttery smooth. Rumour is that the Motorola 6.0 stock ROM whose soak test appears to have started is significantly smoother than the 5.1 stock ROM, If you plan on tinkering with your phone, I'd say don't worry about performance, it's fine with custom ROMs and Motorola may be improving the stock ROM too.
As for the value proposition, I'd say it's toughest competitor would be the OnePlus X. Comparing the two devices (I don't have a OnePlus X, but I have 2014 Moto X that's similar in many ways), I'd say:
Moto X Play advantages:
- Bigger battery
- Better camera
- Bigger screen (if you like big screens)
OnePlus X advantages:
- Faster processor
- More hand and pocket friendly size
- Lower price
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Motorola was a bit slower to release source code than I'd like (they took a month after release), but that's not too bad. This phone is not difficult to develop for. My CM12.1 port is solid, everything works and the camera quality is excellent. My CM13 port is a WIP and is buggier, but it'll get there in time.
Performance wise, this phone sits somewhere between the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5. The animations and some operations on the Motorola 5.1 stock ROM are not quite as smooth as I'd like, though it's not terrible either. On my recent CM12.1 builds performance is significantly better than the stock ROM, and CM13 is buttery smooth. Rumour is that the Motorola 6.0 stock ROM whose soak test appears to have started is significantly smoother than the 5.1 stock ROM, If you plan on tinkering with your phone, I'd say don't worry about performance, it's fine with custom ROMs and Motorola may be improving the stock ROM too.
As for the value proposition, I'd say it's toughest competitor would be the OnePlus X. Comparing the two devices (I don't have a OnePlus X, but I have 2014 Moto X that's similar in many ways), I'd say:
Moto X Play advantages:
- Bigger battery
- Better camera
- Bigger screen (if you like big screens)
OnePlus X advantages:
- Faster processor
- More hand and pocket friendly size
- Lower price
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Thanks for all the information! I'm pretty convinced this phone will be the better for me as i'd rather have "In-country warranty" just in case. And coming from a snapdragon 400 phone it can only get better for me i guess.
squid2 said:
Motorola was a bit slower to release source code than I'd like (they took a month after release), but that's not too bad. This phone is not difficult to develop for. My CM12.1 port is solid, everything works and the camera quality is excellent. My CM13 port is a WIP and is buggier, but it'll get there in time.
Performance wise, this phone sits somewhere between the Nexus 4 and Nexus 5. The animations and some operations on the Motorola 5.1 stock ROM are not quite as smooth as I'd like, though it's not terrible either. On my recent CM12.1 builds performance is significantly better than the stock ROM, and CM13 is buttery smooth. Rumour is that the Motorola 6.0 stock ROM whose soak test appears to have started is significantly smoother than the 5.1 stock ROM, If you plan on tinkering with your phone, I'd say don't worry about performance, it's fine with custom ROMs and Motorola may be improving the stock ROM too.
As for the value proposition, I'd say it's toughest competitor would be the OnePlus X. Comparing the two devices (I don't have a OnePlus X, but I have 2014 Moto X that's similar in many ways), I'd say:
Moto X Play advantages:
- Bigger battery
- Better camera
- Bigger screen (if you like big screens)
OnePlus X advantages:
- Faster processor
- More hand and pocket friendly size
- Lower price
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May I add something? I think another competitor would be the Wileyfox Storm.
- Native Cyanogenmod support.
- Around 70 euro's cheaper.
- A slightly smaller battery.
- Same processor.
- Same size screen.
In fact I was ready to buy that device but I went for a X Play because of the bigger battery and your rom. Your work on Cyanogenmod convinced me to to buy this device.
Thanks again guys, waiting on the christmas sale now so i can get some discount.
Just one thing that I might be worried about, been reading some people that broke the glass on their phones in situations where it should have not.. Were they just an unlucky bunch of people or is it something i should worry about?
This phone is overpriced in my opinion
TommyDN said:
Thanks again guys, waiting on the christmas sale now so i can get some discount.
Just one thing that I might be worried about, been reading some people that broke the glass on their phones in situations where it should have not.. Were they just an unlucky bunch of people or is it something i should worry about?
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Just because some mxp users broke their screen doesn't mean it's fragile, no one knows how they handle their devices. Its all up to how you care for your phone. With some discount, it's the best phone in its category. Go ahead.
I got my Moto X Pure a few weeks ago. I've always been a snob for the look and feel of pure AOSP. The first thing I always do when I receive a device is unlock the bootloader and root. I've always used LG devices, so I've always used CM on all my devices and had an AWESOME experience. I'm also a big snob for build quality (ever since my friend let me use his V10 for a week). No LG device desides the V10 could offer me a build quality as fantastic as some of the Motorola devices (especially the X15).
I've also always loved Nexus devices, but never owned one due to the fact they all have LARGE flaws. They're not as perfected as US flagships by any stretch.
So, thinking the X15 would be indifferent with my ROMing habits, I bought one for the build quality and the better resource allocation over LG. The first thing I did was unlock the bootloader and install CM13. I loved CM13 for a few weeks. Then, one day, I decided to try out the Root+Debloated stock ROM (thinking I wouldn't stick with it).
And then... I just kinda stayed there. I never realized how close the Moto stock rom is to pure AOSP. In fact, every extension designed for Pure AOSP works flawlessly on here. Xposed, Layers, and all the root apps work amazing. It's pretty much Pure AOSP with a better ambient display system and optimized for the device, which feels great.
I've been running stock ROM for a week and don't intend on changing. Honestly, I feel like I'm using a Nexus 6P with no fingerprint scanner.
What are your thoughts on this stance? Agree? Disagree? I shouldn't exist?
Let me know
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I got my Moto X Pure a few weeks ago. I've always been a snob for the look and feel of pure AOSP. The first thing I always do when I receive a device is unlock the bootloader and root. I've always used LG devices, so I've always used CM on all my devices and had an AWESOME experience. I'm also a big snob for build quality (ever since my friend let me use his V10 for a week). No LG device desides the V10 could offer me a build quality as fantastic as some of the Motorola devices (especially the X15).
I've also always loved Nexus devices, but never owned one due to the fact they all have LARGE flaws. They're not as perfected as US flagships by any stretch.
So, thinking the X15 would be indifferent with my ROMing habits, I bought one for the build quality and the better resource allocation over LG. The first thing I did was unlock the bootloader and install CM13. I loved CM13 for a few weeks. Then, one day, I decided to try out the Root+Debloated stock ROM (thinking I wouldn't stick with it).
And then... I just kinda stayed there. I never realized how close the Moto stock rom is to pure AOSP. In fact, every extension designed for Pure AOSP works flawlessly on here. Xposed, Layers, and all the root apps work amazing. It's pretty much Pure AOSP with a better ambient display system and optimized for the device, which feels great.
I've been running stock ROM for a week and don't intend on changing. Honestly, I feel like I'm using a Nexus 6P with no fingerprint scanner.
What are your thoughts on this stance? Agree? Disagree? I shouldn't exist?
Let me know
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Yep. Nexus with sd card.
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It's basically a Nexus device without timely Android builds, monthly security updates, being developer friendly, and having a superb customer service, all behind a now-crippling company.
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It's basically a Nexus device without timely Android builds, monthly security updates, being developer friendly, and having a superb customer service, all behind a now-crippling company.
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Moto software is great, and the camera is decently sharper. Also slightly cheaper with the 16GB models, and able to compensate with that SD slot. Customization also makes it for a unique phone for those who care about style points. These were a few of the things that made me choose the Moto X over the 6P when I was shopping. But to each their own, I'm glad we have so many options for phones nowadays.
It's all a compromise. A nexus 6p with 64gb costs $549, 128gb costs $649. Moto X 64gb is $442 (lets say $450) on amazon. You get a weaker processor on the X but a memory card slot. Is the additional $100 worth the more timely updates, faster processor and no memory card slot? Only *you* can answer that question.
I can live with a very difficult to remove battery (moto x), but not having expandable storage was the deal breaker.
To the OP, it all depends on what you're looking for.
The comparable Nexus, price wise, is the 5X (in my country anyway) and it doesn't even come close to the Moto X. In many ways, the X is even superior to the 6P (which I was close to buying), with expandable storage, half the price tag, a non-flimsy build (see Huawei), more ergonomic shape, front flash, and so on. Probably the only thing the Nexus line, in general, has in advantage is the timelier updates, which is great for average people who don't mess around with their phone. But being that this is XDA, chances are you are pretty familiar with loading a ROM.
As an example, Google didn't even update the Galaxy Nexus to 4.4, and abandoned it back in 2013. But to this day, it still receives CyanogenMod updates (including the latest security patches), which people can load on if they want, that's the power of not relying on one monolithic company for everything. Not all Nexus devices also have exceptional ROM support either, my Nexus 5 no longer receives CAF builds, Cataclysm was discontinued, and the standard CM13 build is relatively lacklustre.
I had never owned a Moto device before this, instead having a range of devices (more than 20) from nearly all manufacturers (including 3 Nexuses), and I can't really fault the Moto X in the build quality or software department. I find that the stock Moto software itself to be incredibly close to AOSP, probably more so than any manufacturer (including Sony), and despite the relatively small user base, there are a ton of third-party ROMs available, which work quite well. There's definitely appeal there to those who would otherwise pick the Nexus.
So to OP, yes, it's the closest thing to a Nexus, without the drawbacks, that I could find, and I have little to no brand loyalty.
Hi guys,
My nexus 5 is getting really old and I'm looking for a replacement.
On the hardware side, I'd like to know if you guys are happy with the battery and camera.
Regarding software, are there maintenained, stable ROMs available? Do you believe Android O will be available soon after it's release?
Do you have active kernel maintainers?
Would you recommend me to switch?
Thanks for your advices
Hardware is great for the Price.
Had the Nexus 5 for 2 years and was the best phone i had... but i think the Zuk Z2 does a great job. The battery should be better and the camera too in my opinion.
I dont think there will be Android O, maybe a custom rom...
Hi,
Personnaly, I came also from the Nexus 5 and moved to the Zuk Z2 Pro.
And I regret my choice, despite specs are very good for the price... but it doesn't make the whole thing!
I am not happy by the stock ROM and not too much by the custom ones.
It is clearly totally different from my experience I had with the Nexus 5 for which we had several perfect ROMS/Kernels, and very active community.
If you are the guy who would like to get your hands dirty, then change your choice, that is my personal opinion.
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Hi,
Personnaly, I came also from the Nexus 5 and moved to the Zuk Z2 Pro.
And I regret my choice, despite specs are very good for the price... but it doesn't make the whole thing!
I am not happy by the stock ROM and not too much by the custom ones.
It is clearly totally different from my experience I had with the Nexus 5 for which we had several perfect ROMS/Kernels, and very active community.
If you are the guy who would like to get your hands dirty, then change your choice, that is my personal opinion.
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Thanks for your answer. I do like to mess with my phone, flash ROMs and kernels etc.
With the nexus 5 it was "for fun" at the beginning, and now I'm happy there's a great community that brought Android N on it.
So your opinion is that with the Z2 Pro, you have to stick with the stock ROM, what about lineage for instance?
Hi,
No you dont have to stick with the stock ROM and actually I would say it is a MUST to change. I consider the stock one like carbage.
And for the custom ones, they are far from perfect (I am on Lineage) + community is far away to be a big as for the Nexus5, despite I recognize several people try to do some stuff (I deeply thanks them otherwise I would have considered this phone as my worst, even if on the paper, from hardware point of view, it looks so interesting!).
Thanks again cher compatriote !
For sure the community is really small, but if there is only one ROMs but up-to-date and garbage-free, I'll be happy enough
I'm not sure I understand what is missing from, say, Lineage ROM. Do you have bugs or broken features?
Which phone would you recommend, I'm looking at the Oneplus 3T. I'm pretty sure the community is big for this one, but the price tag is much higher.
Haha, beaucoup de Français par ici ^^
Anyway, I just bought one and yes I think I'd recommand it if you want a new phone now.
Yes the ROMs are a problem : you definitely can't stay on the official ROM (it's on Nougat, it works well enough, but it's definitely made for chinese users : All the google apps are replaced with a Chinese equivalent and there's a bunch of chinese bloatware), and there's not a lot of support from the mainstream ROMs such as LineageOS.
As far as I know, the best working ROM right now is this port of AICP : https://forum.xda-developers.com/zuk-z2-pro/development/rom-aicp-12-1-n-zuk-z2-pro-t3596836 . I'm using it now and as far as I can tell everything is working just fine, including the multi color notification light and U-touch (the configurable gestures on the home button) but any update depends on the good will and free time of the dev.
So it's definitely not ideal but... I got the 128GB/6GB Z2 pro for 249€ including shipping... That's almost half the price of a 64GB OnePlus 3T (which is also a bit too large for my taste). So in my opinion the price alone makes it a good choice.
Compared to the N5 you'll get a slightly bigger OLED screen, much better battery life, a much much better camera, the fingerprint scanner (which works surprisingly well), and of course the SD820, more memory and storage. I'd say the built quality is about on par with the N5 or slightly better.
Recently my current phone (Leeco LeTv Max 2) died on me, therefore, I am currently looking looking for a new phone, and after searching online for a good Android phone, I found that brand name phones like Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus, Google Pixel 3, and Huawei P30 Pro are expensive and the only phones that meet my budget are OnePlus 6T and Xiaomi Mi 9, the problem with OnePlus 6T that its camera is not that good as Xiaomi Mi 9, but when I search for the best Android phones online I found that OnePlus 6T is one of at leas the best 5 phones while Xiaomi Mi 9 is not even there, maybe it is new and it is not reviewed for most of rating website, so would you please recommend one for me in you know these phone, I have to buy one ASAP, thanks in advance.
Personally I'd say go for Mi 9 just an all round better device or even wait for OP7 at this point OP6T is not worth it.
Mi 9 Has SD855 More Efficient, Better Display (HDR10 Certification), Camera Sensors/Software, Better Speaker, 20w Wireless Charging, 27w Fast Charging.
But if you have a chance try both devices and see which suits you the most.
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Recently my current phone (Leeco LeTv Max 2) died on me, therefore, I am currently looking looking for a new phone, and after searching online for a good Android phone, I found that brand name phones like Samsung Galaxy S10 Plus, Google Pixel 3, and Huawei P30 Pro are expensive and the only phones that meet my budget are OnePlus 6T and Xiaomi Mi 9, the problem with OnePlus 6T that its camera is not that good as Xiaomi Mi 9, but when I search for the best Android phones online I found that OnePlus 6T is one of at leas the best 5 phones while Xiaomi Mi 9 is not even there, maybe it is new and it is not reviewed for most of rating website, so would you please recommend one for me in you know these phone, I have to buy one ASAP, thanks in advance.
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As far as specs go, I'd say the Xiaomi MI 9 is better. Does it matter buying new or used? You can get barely used 6T for 300-400 now. 7T will be out in a few months. I think the MI 9 is $600 or so. I was in the same position didn't want to spend a lot. So I picked up a 6T and a MI 8. MI 8 should arrive tomorrow. I'm going to compare the two for a daily. I have a brand new P20 PRO which I think is better than both that I need to get rid of. If you need now right now and cant wait then MI 9. If you can wait I say 7T. Or find a cheaper used 6T or MI 8 and wait for the 7T to compare to the MI 9.
I was thinking either to go to MI 9 (which I like a lot) or wait for the 7T, then I decided to wait, but now the 7T is released and the price is high, then suddenly while I was searching for a deal in our local online shopping site, I found a new Google Pixel 3 XL with only 700 CAD, which I found I deal that couldn't be rejected, so I bought it and so far I am happy, but my heart is still with the MI 9 which I think if will buy another phone in the future it would be it.
Get the Mi 9, it has better camera, better SOC, better GPS, faster charging, wireless charging, etc. The only cons are MIUI (depends on your taste), smaller battery, and slightly slower FP.
I'm starting to regret my OP 6T purchase, i got this phone 2 months ago. Now I can get a Mi 9 for $150 cheaper.
Op7
Does the Mi work in Verizon? Not sure where you are located....I really need to get away from them, VZW sucks.
I'm pretty impressed with the Mi phone and specs.
If xiaomi mi9, only 12 GB version (that might worth because of later-coming custom roms), 6 Gb will be a pain to use in some years. I had a xiaomi phone and I loved it because of the good hardware and the great developers of xda who made amazing roms and tweaks for my device, but it was not even a week old when I rooted and changed miui to stock android. When it comes to xiaomi, os is the weakest point, so even with the newer hardware mi9 performs on the same level as oneplus 6t just because op has a great software. You see the difference of chipsets when you are rendering videos, but on daily usage and gaming they are on the same level.
Mi9 is good, but if you want to buy a phone for longer time, oneplus is more future-proof than xiaomi.
One more pro thing for oneplus compared to mi9: battery life. 6t has much better SOT than mi9 or even op7 pro (90hz, max brightness -> disappointing battery life).
Mi9 for the price, for the harware. Many users love Miui.
6T for hardware, second hand price is great, but most important os & soft updates.
7 pro. awesome phone. Good hardware & software. Expensive. And of course, better screen = uses more baterry.
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If xiaomi mi9, only 12 GB version (that might worth because of later-coming custom roms), 6 Gb will be a pain to use in some years. I had a xiaomi phone and I loved it because of the good hardware and the great developers of xda who made amazing roms and tweaks for my device, but it was not even a week old when I rooted and changed miui to stock android. When it comes to xiaomi, os is the weakest point, so even with the newer hardware mi9 performs on the same level as oneplus 6t just because op has a great software. You see the difference of chipsets when you are rendering videos, but on daily usage and gaming they are on the same level.
Mi9 is good, but if you want to buy a phone for longer time, oneplus is more future-proof than xiaomi.
One more pro thing for oneplus compared to mi9: battery life. 6t has much better SOT than mi9 or even op7 pro (90hz, max brightness -> disappointing battery life).
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1. 12 GB worth for future custom roms?
Why are you saying that? This is absolutely not true.
2. Did you ever compare development of a mi 8 vs a oneplus 6t?
Xiaomis mi and the main redmi series are one of the most developed devices on XDA.
They have a big dev community from India.
3. The battery of the 6t is clearly not much better than the mi9.
Maybe you can show some adequate test results for comparison to proof that.
They are equal when it comes to battery life.
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1. 12 GB worth for future custom roms?
Why are you saying that? This is absolutely not true.
2. Did you ever compare development of a mi 8 vs a oneplus 6t?
Xiaomis mi and the main redmi series are one of the most developed devices on XDA.
They have a big dev community from India.
3. The battery of the 6t is clearly not much better than the mi9.
Maybe you can show some adequate test results for comparison to proof that.
They are equal when it comes to battery life.
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Who knows what future android versions will need? Apps and android are growing, they want more space, more ram, and so on, and I am not thinking in one-two year term, rather 4-5 and be honest: noone want their great flagship to be a laggy piece of crap 3-4 years later. Most people buy flagships because they are designed to be future-proof. 12 GB will guarantee fluid multitasking for years and you don't have to worry about anything. 6 GBs is only enough if you want to upgrade in 1-2 years and if you are paying monthly for the device yes this is an option, but I am not one of those. I just said if I woulf buy a mi9, which version would I choose (and if we see that even this is cheaper than OP, than yes this is an option). Why didn't I choose that? Software and battery.
I said also that I had a xiaomi phone and I know that this brand (not only mi, also redmi series) has the most developed topics in xda (that is why I used my redmi for 3 years because the devs ported great roms and on the forums even noobs like me found actual support) and to be honest migrating to oneplus forums full of crying was a huge disappointment after that. But facts are facts, Mi9 has a smaller battery with not-so-well optimized ROM (3300 mAh is not more, not less and MIUI is a heavy os), result: it will not last as long as the 6t and I am one of those who want their phone to last till the end of the day even with heavy usage.
I did not say one is better than the other, because everyone has their personal preferences what decides which one fits better for someone. They are on the same level when it comes to performance, I mentioned the differences pro and contra both, so I don't understand why are you complaining. Facts are facts: OP has a bigger battery, a better software, and this software keeps it future-proof in my eyes. Mi9 has newer hardware, wireless charging and a good developer community. It depends on people what they choose.
I tell you what was my problem with xiaomi and why I won't buy that brand again: stock software updates. When I see that even OP3 gets android Pie from the company, and xiaomi cannot upgrade even their last year midrange phones' android version (even if the hardware would be fully capable), that is disappointing.
I am talking about this: https://www.theandroidsoul.com/xiaomi-android-9-pie-update/
And this: https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-6-6a-s2-y2-android-pie-cancelled/
Mi series are on different level, but scroll down to redmi series. Most of "not eligible" phones have the capable hardware if not all of them. Mine is not even on the list, it was released with MM and cancelled at MM (!!).
Two years later Mi9 owners will know that, but maybe that is why they are so well supported on XDA. I came to custom roms because of xiaomi, and I started to love these forums because of xiaomi.
But I want what normal people want: when I buy a phone, I want real software support from the company, and I want every single component of the software working in my country. Miui cannot give me that (although I had global version), most of the features were useless bloatware in my area. Different people in different countries will have different experiences. I just told you mine. Maybe I want too much. Sorry for that.
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Who knows what future android versions will need? Apps and android are growing, they want more space, more ram, and so on, and I am not thinking in one-two year term, rather 4-5 and be honest: noone want their great flagship to be a laggy piece of crap 3-4 years later. Most people buy flagships because they are designed to be future-proof. 12 GB will guarantee fluid multitasking for years and you don't have to worry about anything. 6 GBs is only enough if you want to upgrade in 1-2 years and if you are paying monthly for the device yes this is an option, but I am not one of those. I just said if I woulf buy a mi9, which version would I choose (and if we see that even this is cheaper than OP, than yes this is an option). Why didn't I choose that? Software and battery.
I said also that I had a xiaomi phone and I know that this brand (not only mi, also redmi series) has the most developed topics in xda (that is why I used my redmi for 3 years because the devs ported great roms and on the forums even noobs like me found actual support) and to be honest migrating to oneplus forums full of crying was a huge disappointment after that. But facts are facts, Mi9 has a smaller battery with not-so-well optimized ROM (3300 mAh is not more, not less and MIUI is a heavy os), result: it will not last as long as the 6t and I am one of those who want their phone to last till the end of the day even with heavy usage.
I did not say one is better than the other, because everyone has their personal preferences what decides which one fits better for someone. They are on the same level when it comes to performance, I mentioned the differences pro and contra both, so I don't understand why are you complaining. Facts are facts: OP has a bigger battery, a better software, and this software keeps it future-proof in my eyes. Mi9 has newer hardware, wireless charging and a good developer community. It depends on people what they choose.
I tell you what was my problem with xiaomi and why I won't buy that brand again: stock software updates. When I see that even OP3 gets android Pie from the company, and xiaomi cannot upgrade even their last year midrange phones' android version (even if the hardware would be fully capable), that is disappointing.
I am talking about this: https://www.theandroidsoul.com/xiaomi-android-9-pie-update/
And this: https://www.xda-developers.com/xiaomi-redmi-6-6a-s2-y2-android-pie-cancelled/
Mi series are on different level, but scroll down to redmi series. Most of "not eligible" phones have the capable hardware if not all of them. Mine is not even on the list, it was released with MM and cancelled at MM (!!).
Two years later Mi9 owners will know that, but maybe that is why they are so well supported on XDA. I came to custom roms because of xiaomi, and I started to love these forums because of xiaomi.
But I want what normal people want: when I buy a phone, I want real software support from the company, and I want every single component of the software working in my country. Miui cannot give me that (although I had global version), most of the features were useless bloatware in my area. Different people in different countries will have different experiences. I just told you mine. Maybe I want too much. Sorry for that.
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I asked you for a solid proof (but please no useless youtube noob video or something) that 6T's battery is lasting much longer. If you tell me something about battery sizes, then I can clearly say, that you don't understand how a phone is working.
Even when it comes to the RAM thing, with more is better, etc. Your phone won't get more 'laggy' just because you have 4 or 6 GB RAM nowadays. This won't change in 3-4 years either, if you have 6 or 12 GB RAM. You can have 12 GB RAM today and your phone will not be able to hold all apps in the RAM, if the RAM management and the application is not optimized.
I did not say anything against the longtime support by the company, but if he is willing to use custom ROMs (at least he is already here on XDA) the support with newest android updates won't be much different, especially when it comes to flagship devices.
Finally I did not argue against your recommendation. That is your personal thing.
I had a problem with your arguments.
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I asked you for a solid proof (but please no useless youtube noob video or something) that 6T's battery is lasting much longer. If you tell me something about battery sizes, then I can clearly say, that you don't understand how a phone is working.
Even when it comes to the RAM thing, with more is better, etc. Your phone won't get more 'laggy' just because you have 4 or 6 GB RAM nowadays. This won't change in 3-4 years either, if you have 6 or 12 GB RAM. You can have 12 GB RAM today and your phone will not be able to hold all apps in the RAM, if the RAM management and the application is not optimized.
I did not say anything against the longtime support by the company, but if he is willing to use custom ROMs (at least he is already here on XDA) the support with newest android updates won't be much different, especially when it comes to flagship devices.
Finally I did not argue against your recommendation. That is your personal thing.
I had a problem with your arguments.
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Ok, so I turn the question: can you give me a solid proof that I am wrong and the solid numbers are lying? I used miui, I know that the standby tim is great but what about actually using the phone? That one just melts away.
About the ram thing: check the ram usage on your device. On mine it is averagely more than 4 gbs, if there is less than one gb free ram on a 6 gbs phone it becomes laggy because it deaperately wants to free some space while you just want to use your phone. Also that is my 10 years experience in Android phones.
About the support difference: I just told you above, read again.
Just happened to see this thread and realize it's a bit old now but anyways...
I have a OnePlus 6 currently, long story short several weeks ago the screen shattered and I needed a new phone. Thought about just fixing the 6 but decided to pick up the global mi 9 as spec wise and cost it was a great deal. Fast forward>>>> the mi 9 is currently on swappa and I'm waiting for my oneplus 6t, using a shattered 6. After waiting 360 hours to unlock the bootloader and get root so I could actually comfortably use the phone (not getting into a debate on privacy, I didn't care for all the intrusive crap on the mi 9) it was a let down but the final straw was really my fault for not really checking what lte bands TMobile was using around me, but besides that I, personally couldn't get adjusted to MIUI as it's anything but intuitive. The cameras were not really that great, the speed difference even between my 6 wasn't really noticable and I just wanted out. I thought about waiting for the Asus Zenfone 6 but I couldn't, not with the mi 9. I'll make due with the older 6t until I decide to upgrade again. From software, actual usage of the phone, weight, and tho it's still fairly new, lack of any development (I'm pretty sure that will change shortly) the mi 9 was not for me.
I would take op7 even it has worse camera. I cant work with miui
The "budget model" OP7 will be released soon.
In my opinion a perfect choice since OP7 iron out the few flaws of OP6t: better camera, stereo speakers and also benefit from OP7Pro: fastest CPU, 3.1 storage, better fingerprint sensor, etc.
Well, you don't get the fancy resolution in OP7pro, but you will get a much better battery life, and even greater battery SOT than OP6t (due to 855 use less energy than 845) and the price is 25% less the pro version.
In my opinion the optimal choice.
Whats up guys....its been forever since Ive had to root a phone due to having Pixel 1-3XL until now.
Ive been looking at OP and now that they have a true flagship I just ordered my 8 Pro TODAY!!! IT was finally in stock.
So my question is does the OP still have the features from Pixels like screening calls, screenshots from the assistant, etc?
Ill be doing some searches tonight...just trying to get some quick answers... a little excited.
TIA
thenewak said:
Whats up guys....its been forever since Ive had to root a phone due to having Pixel 1-3XL until now.
Ive been looking at OP and now that they have a true flagship I just ordered my 8 Pro TODAY!!! IT was finally in stock.
So my question is does the OP still have the features from Pixels like screening calls, screenshots from the assistant, etc?
Ill be doing some searches tonight...just trying to get some quick answers... a little excited.
TIA
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Good questions
thenewak said:
Whats up guys....its been forever since Ive had to root a phone due to having Pixel 1-3XL until now.
Ive been looking at OP and now that they have a true flagship I just ordered my 8 Pro TODAY!!! IT was finally in stock.
So my question is does the OP still have the features from Pixels like screening calls, screenshots from the assistant, etc?
Ill be doing some searches tonight...just trying to get some quick answers... a little excited.
TIA
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It doesn't have Pixel specific features like Call Screening, Recorder etc. But most, if not all, Google Assistant functionality is available on the OP8 Pro (as on many other devices)..
rajeshr said:
It doesn't have Pixel specific features like Call Screening, Recorder etc. But most, if not all, Google Assistant functionality is available on the OP8 Pro (as on many other devices)..
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No Caller ID even?
masri1987 said:
No Caller ID even?
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The phone dialer app on the OP8 Pro is different than the Google dialer app so you don't get the standard features that the Pixel has.
I had OnePlus 7 pro and swapped to Pixel 4 XL. In overall Pixel is much better than any OnePlus device. As long as you don't really need ultra wide angel camera or 5g is not any reason to buy OnePlus. The difference between genuine Pixel software and Oxygen OS is so huge that using both is different experience, obviously genuine Android is far better in any aspect. Oxygen OS is Chinese crap which kills background activities like all Chinese Android skin and doesn't work stable enough. Finally you will have to flash buggy Pixel Experience rom and semi working Gcam mod instead for slightly better hardware which really not make difference in daily usage as long as the ultra wide lens or 5g is not absolutely must have for you.
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I had OnePlus 7 pro and swapped to Pixel 4 XL. In overall Pixel is much better than any OnePlus device. As long as you don't really need ultra wide angel camera or 5g is not any reason to buy OnePlus. The difference between genuine Pixel software and Oxygen OS is so huge that using both is different experience, obviously genuine Android is far better in any aspect. Oxygen OS is Chinese crap which kills background activities like all Chinese Android skin and doesn't work stable enough. Finally you will have to flash buggy Pixel Experience rom and semi working Gcam mod instead for slightly better hardware which really not make difference in daily usage as long as the ultra wide lens or 5g is not absolutely must have for you.
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I've owned a Pixel 4 XL and would still be owning it if it wasn't for the subpar battery life and the not too bright display. I'm not sure I understand your point about the Pixel's Android OS and Oxygen OS - they are probably the closest to stock Android (and the Pixel doesn't run "stock" Android but Google's slightly modified version of it). Have you tried any other manufacturers implementation of Android (One UI, Colour OS etc.) - they are way more different than Oxygen OS
I also think that you've forgotten about the Pixel also killing background activities in the past along with a slew of bugs that Google addressed over time - similar to what OnePlus will probably do.
Look, I'm not sticking up for OnePlus here - I think they did rush out a somewhat unfinished product. But I think Google did the same with the Pixel 4 XL and slapped it with some poor hardware decisions that cannot be fixed (No Ultrawide camera, small battery, 64GB base capacity and a relatively poor display).
Pixel line had so much potential and Google killed it with subpar hardware. Yes the software it's good but they also kill processes because of the baby battery. I was a nexus/ pixel only user, but Google left me no choice, and one plus is the only thing that could even come close to take it's place, and is a way better phone
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Pixel line had so much potential and Google killed it with subpar hardware. Yes the software it's good but they also kill processes because of the baby battery. I was a nexus/ pixel only user, but Google left me no choice, and one plus is the only thing that could even come close to take it's place, and is a way better phone
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I am in the SAME exact situation... Man, the days of crackflashing my galaxy nexus were suhweeeeeet. I am really looking forward to getting my OP8 Pro today and rooting it
Oneplus use designed battery capacity in marketing. In real world they use poor quality battery and to decrease degradation batteries are limited in software. E.X. In 7 Pro designed capacity is 4000 mAh for maximum voltage 4.4V but because of software limitation you cannot charge battery beyond about 4.3V. The real capacity is about 10% lower than declared. In Pixel 4 XL I noticed that new battery had 103 - 104% designed capacity. Finally on my 7 pro real battery capacity was over 200 mAh lower than on my Pixel 4 XL. In my opinion Pixel firmware is far better than Oxygen OS and the difference is really dramatic.
I came form a p4xl too to the op8p. Would love to get call screen. That's the only thing I am missing so far
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I had OnePlus 7 pro and swapped to Pixel 4 XL. In overall Pixel is much better than any OnePlus device. As long as you don't really need ultra wide angel camera or 5g is not any reason to buy OnePlus. The difference between genuine Pixel software and Oxygen OS is so huge that using both is different experience, obviously genuine Android is far better in any aspect. Oxygen OS is Chinese crap which kills background activities like all Chinese Android skin and doesn't work stable enough. Finally you will have to flash buggy Pixel Experience rom and semi working Gcam mod instead for slightly better hardware which really not make difference in daily usage as long as the ultra wide lens or 5g is not absolutely must have for you.
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Dammit, don't dissuade me from soending my money, lol. I was psyched to order this on preorder day but they ran out of stock before I could click 'check out'. Same for launch day. Now the shine has worn off since I've been waiting a couple weeks. Was gonna ship tomorrow but now I'm thinking of cancelling my order. I'm happy with my Note 10 plus but want the latest and greatest.
Oneplus 8 Pro has obviously noticeable better hardware in all aspects than Pixel 4. It's not bad bad at least my 7 Pro wasn't bad phone just software on my opinion is much better on Pixel. Some people doesn't care or install custom rom but since you try genuine Pixel you will notice difference.