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Doing a system-less root on s4 using magisk possible?

alright im thinking of doing system-less root with xposed using magisk (yes im a pokemon goer thats ticked off from its new update) just wanting to know what would be the best way to go about this. If it is possible. currently im running GoldenEYE rom android 5.0.1 dont have fastboot so i already know i have alot of work in Odin to do. would love to have CM12.1 running with a systemless root but last time i tried to even get CM12.1 loaded it never worked.
So anyidea if this is possible or not. (yes i do have stock roms at the ready from when i put on my current rom along with root methods)

You don't have to do anything in Odin.
All you need is TWRP.
Then follow the Magisk instructions.
Unroot, uninstall Xposed (if present), flash Magisk zip, flash phh root zip, download phh superuser app and Magisk manager app.

well that sucked. now have the dreaded unauthorized soft ware. found a way around it to get phone booted. going into download mode then cancel out restarting phone from there.

So I tried this exact thing two days ago because I have an S4 with the Goldeneye rom installed, and unfortunately got these results
I opened up superSU and did a full unroot, after
I deleted the xposed that was installed (v86 by dlc) using the uninstaller through TWRP.
Next I flashed magisk v6 zip along with the phh superuser zip, and ended up in a bootloop..
The phone wouldnt pass the boot animation, so i uninstalled magisk, and reflashed superSU
On my end its not working, mate.

Mrcastle25 said:
So I tried this exact thing two days ago because I have an S4 with the Goldeneye rom installed, and unfortunately got these results
I opened up superSU and did a full unroot, after
I deleted the xposed that was installed (v86 by dlc) using the uninstaller through TWRP.
Next I flashed magisk v6 zip along with the phh superuser zip, and ended up in a bootloop..
The phone wouldnt pass the boot animation, so i uninstalled magisk, and reflashed superSU
On my end its not working, mate.
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As far as I know, systemless stuff works only on Android 6 and above.
Goldeneye is a TouchWiz ROM, therefor it's android 5.

Magisk works on Touchwiz 5.0
Magisk works on android 5.0 touchwiz. Im using lenny bard stock HPG1 rom and PoGo works perfectly

Sure you can do it. i have gt-i9500 variant with 5.1.1 port tw android. magisk work when i want to play pokemon go. the only problem i have now is the systemless xposed not working as expected.

I am under the impression I am not able to get TWRP on mine because its the later version with locked bootloader.. what options are there.. Currently Download Graded to 4.4.4 to use towel root and installed Flashfire so i can install Safestrap
Really want to use Magisk

Dragnous said:
I am under the impression I am not able to get TWRP on mine because its the later version with locked bootloader.. what options are there.. Currently Download Graded to 4.4.4 to use towel root and installed Flashfire so i can install Safestrap
Really want to use Magisk
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Magisk does not work on devices with locked bootloaders.

GDReaper said:
Magisk does not work on devices with locked bootloaders.
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yea had that feeling guess root for me gone yay.. ****ing niantic lol ahahah

Dragnous said:
yea had that feeling guess root for me gone yay.. ****ing niantic lol ahahah
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I know this is pretty old but just a headsup if you have the latest bootloader that is locked you can just download firmware for your region with an older bootloader and flash the entire thing with odin. I had the locked bootloader issue and odin fixed it.

Cryptonite26 said:
I know this is pretty old but just a headsup if you have the latest bootloader that is locked you can just download firmware for your region with an older bootloader and flash the entire thing with odin. I had the locked bootloader issue and odin fixed it.
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Which version of Odin did flash with bro?

Cryptonite26 said:
I know this is pretty old but just a headsup if you have the latest bootloader that is locked you can just download firmware for your region with an older bootloader and flash the entire thing with odin. I had the locked bootloader issue and odin fixed it.
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Ok so you extracted an older bootloader and swapped it out?

Root not sticking! Need professional help.

Good evening ladys and gentlemen,
hoping you can help me with my root-not staying-problem.
I have the A2017G B09 version. I already managed to unlock my device and I had root with xposed installed.
Sounds good so far, right?
Well my problem is that after the restart that is needed to activate my xposed modules, my root went away and I couldn't get it back. After that I tried to do it again but root wouln't stick no matter what.
And yes, I did use the "reboot disemmcwp" command.
I tried to root by flashing the newest chainfire supersu 2.79, since I have newest twrp 3.0.3-1.
It would be great if you would be able to help me on my journey and maybe explain to me the difference between systemless and normal, and what magisk is since I saw that op up a few times.
Oh and please tell me from where I should start if I want to work on everything android related (roms, kernel, apps) since my semsester is nearing its end.
Thanks in advance.

Systemless root means that the /system partition is not modified, however the boot image is altered. There is much hype on this, however there still are many mods out there requiring modifications of /system. I personally do not see any advantage of it, probably because I have been using custom ROMs for years, and custom ROMs has many alterations to the /system compared to stock or pure CM or AOSP roms. However it is clear that the future goes that way and eventually most of the mods will be systemless. The advantage is that you will supposedly be able to flash OTA upgrades, however if the OTA is also modifying the boot partition, then it doesn't matter, you will not be able to flash the OTA upgrade. So the benefits of systemless mods are arguable.
Magisk is an open root. it is systemless from the beginning and any module under Magisk framework will be systemless. So far no official Magisk release (latest at this time is v10.2) is compatible with the Axon stock ROM. However, the latest v10.3-beta2 seems to fix the root injection problem. It is included in the Bad Boyz custom ROM.
There are some apps not working on root devices. They use a SafetyNet procedure to check for that, such as Android Pay or Pokemon Go. However there are ways to overcome this security check and you can enjoy root and SafetyNet compatibility either using SuperSU or Magisk, system or systemless root. the issue becomes a little tricky when adding Xposed mod framework to the mix, since the procedures to have all 3 (root, SafetyNet and Xposed) working is not that straightforward. However this is possible in the Axon 7. You can find one of my guides in the links in my signature.
Enjoy!!!!

Thanks for the info. I actually used your guide but nothing came out of it. I got stuck on the Axon screen. Tried it multiple times. Guess I'll try again either after the N update or when I get impatient.

Try reflashing supersu don't reboot, then use terminal in TWRP to do reboot disemmcwp and see if it works. I usually use root Explorer to see if I can change /system to r/w. If it did not work go back to terminal in TWRP and try again. I have had to do it a few times to get it to work. Using adb terminal seems to work first time, terminal apps have not worked for me.

Yuujinz said:
Thanks for the info. I actually used your guide but nothing came out of it. I got stuck on the Axon screen. Tried it multiple times. Guess I'll try again either after the N update or when I get impatient.
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If you tried my guide, then you must use ROM B29 or any other ROM based on B29. I am afraid that the patch is only compatible with B27 or B29 based kernels.

Oki said:
If you tried my guide, then you must use ROM B29 or any other ROM based on B29. I am afraid that the patch is only compatible with B27 or B29 based kernels.
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Wouldn't it brick my european device?

Yuujinz said:
Wouldn't it brick my european device?
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You can flash directly the BootStack for your version of Axon 7 and the B29 ROM (or any other custom ROM) using TWRP. You can get those files from https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/rom-guide-updates-to-stock-files-via-t3469484

Oki said:
You can flash directly the BootStack for your version of Axon 7 and the B29 ROM (or any other custom ROM) using TWRP. You can get those files from https://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/development/rom-guide-updates-to-stock-files-via-t3469484
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Ok thanks I'll do it this evening
Or maybe not, to risky.

Lost root after flashing 4.1.6, Please help.

Hi, Can someone please help, I must have done something wrong. Flashed official 4.1.6 update through twrp successfully, but lost root, tried to flash super su again (ver 2.86), but got stuck in boot, logo froze.
Flashed 4.1.6 again, phone works but no root still.
Is that a wrong super su version or did I do something else wrong?
Help will be really appreciated.
Regards

After flashing a full update you'll always have to reflash your root solution. I guess you mean SuperSU v2.82...
Use the official 2.82, found here (there's a link to the flashable zip). There's also a link to a version to try if you're experiencing bootloops.
You could also try the release candidate, found here.

Magisk all the way

1. Wipe data
2. Flash ROM
3. Flash root package, either SuperSU or Magisk
4. Reboot
I see no reason why wouldn't this work for you

Didgeridoohan said:
After flashing a full update you'll always have to reflash your root solution. I guess you mean SuperSU v2.82...
Use the official 2.82, found here (there's a link to the flashable zip). There's also a link to a version to try if you're experiencing bootloops.
You could also try the release candidate, found here.
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Hi,
Many thanks.
Before proceeding, should the super su app also be removed from phone?
Regards

dua999 said:
Hi,
Many thanks.
Before proceeding, should the super su app also be removed from phone?
Regards
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When you flash the rom it will already be uninstalled

sakumaxp said:
When you flash the rom it will already be uninstalled
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I think, I was not able to explain, Rom is already there, but I just flashed 4.1.6 update, and root was gone.
Just wanna avoid all those data backup, restore, register all new banking apps etc, it time consuming and painful.
I am pretty sure, root can be restored, when I have an unlocked bootloader, twrp recovery working properly.
SuperSU is still there in apps but can't open as says, root not available. However, can uninstall this if that is required.
Cheers

dua999 said:
I think, I was not able to explain, Rom is already there, but I just flashed 4.1.6 update, and root was gone.
Just wanna avoid all those data backup, restore, register all new banking apps etc, it time consuming and painful.
I am pretty sure, root can be restored, when I have an unlocked bootloader, twrp recovery working properly.
SuperSU is still there in apps but can't open as says, root not available. However, can uninstall this if that is required.
Cheers
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You can try to uninstall it through supersu app but make sure to keep you boot img. Then your phone will be fully unrooted, go into twrp and reflash supersu/magisk

sakumaxp said:
You can try to uninstall it through supersu app but make sure to keep you boot img. Then your phone will be fully unrooted, go into twrp and reflash supersu/magisk
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Thanks all for help, all sorted

[Q] Successful rooted, but /system is read only?

Hi guys, I have successfully rooted using temporary TWRP + modded magisk method, but now I gain root and checked via Root checker. But the problem is most of the root functions don't work as /system is read-only. Any idea?

Ya i have an idea.. Happened to me as well. I tried almoat everything but system won't be accessible anywhere.. I followed the same tutorial and installed magisk 13.4.
The only solution i could find was flash the latest factory image, and root again using supersu. I used the AIO tool by ghpranav and have got my phone rooted with xposed working without any issues.

zazzy24 said:
Ya i have an idea.. Happened to me as well. I tried almoat everything but system won't be accessible anywhere.. I followed the same tutorial and installed magisk 13.4.
The only solution i could find was flash the latest factory image, and root again using supersu. I used the AIO tool by ghpranav and have got my phone rooted with xposed working without any issues.
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I also fixed the issue. I flash the modified boot image and I am now gaining proper root access + Xposed. Get it working using Super SU, idk why Magisk keep failing thou. Was wanted to give Magisk a try, but it doesn't work properly on our device.

Cool:good:

Xposed isn't working with magisk? I was planning to install it

amithiel said:
Xposed isn't working with magisk? I was planning to install it
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Only with SuperSU as I know.
Sent from my Mi A1 using Tapatalk

Guys, this is Magisk from Pixel. You can't expect that it is working. I wrote to MagiskDevs already, they are working on a own Version for Mi A1. Use for that time normal SuperSU (Xposed works normally )

how to??
soralz said:
I also fixed the issue. I flash the modified boot image and I am now gaining proper root access + Xposed. Get it working using Super SU, idk why Magisk keep failing thou. Was wanted to give Magisk a try, but it doesn't work properly on our device.
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Hay how do you Fix the Read only Issue? can you please share the Modified Boot image and process for same, thanks

maxsan20 said:
Hay how do you Fix the Read only Issue? can you please share the Modified Boot image and process for same, thanks
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https://desktop.firmware.mobi/device:1748
Just root with replacing the boot image then you are good to go.

soralz said:
https://desktop.firmware.mobi/device:1748
Just root with replacing the boot image then you are good to go.
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Hi,
I have TWRP installed and unrooted, what I need to do please?

We7dy said:
Hi,
I have TWRP installed and unrooted, what I need to do please?
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You need flash back stock boot image first, due to some limitations you can't have TWRP and SuperSU root at the same time. If you don't have the stock boot image. I suggest download the ROM from MIUI and then flash it. You can choose "flash_all_except_storage" option, this will keep your data.
http://en.miui.com/download-333.html
After flashing. Reboot back to fastboot and then:
Code:
fastboot oem unlock
After that just run root.bat from the cf-auto root folder you downloaded and wait for it to automatically reboot your phone. You should have root now, if you wish you can download SuperSU from the store.

soralz said:
You need flash back stock boot image first, due to some limitations you can't have TWRP and SuperSU root at the same time. If you don't have the stock boot image. I suggest download the ROM from MIUI and then flash it. You can choose "flash_all_except_storage" option, this will keep your data.
http://en.miui.com/download-333.html
After flashing. Reboot back to fastboot and then:
After that just run root.bat from the cf-auto root folder you downloaded and wait for it to automatically reboot your phone. You should have root now, if you wish you can download SuperSU from the store.
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Ok, thanks. It's not possible to do that via TWRP? I don't have PC. Currently my bootloader is unlocked, I have TWRP and I'm unrooted.

We7dy said:
Ok, thanks. It's not possible to do that via TWRP? I don't have PC. Currently my bootloader is unlocked, I have TWRP and I'm unrooted.
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I actually tried before, and I tell you the results:
Option 1 TWRP installed + Rooted with Magisk
= Pretty much useless as /system is read-only. Every root app doesn't function, unless it is system-less. But system-less modules nearly all doesn't work as the Magisk version too old. And this method won't trip safetynet
Option 2 no TWRP + Rooted with SuperSU (cf-root method) -- Currently using this state
= Got proper root access, Xposed works but will trip safetynet
Option 3 TWRP installed + Rooted with SuperSU (cf-root method)
= Don't try this, will cause your phone stuck in boot loop

soralz said:
I actually tried before, and I tell you the results:
Option 1 TWRP installed + Rooted with Magisk
= Pretty much useless as /system is read-only. Every root app doesn't function, unless it is system-less. But system-less modules nearly all doesn't work as the Magisk version too old. And this method won't trip safetynet
Option 2 no TWRP + Rooted with SuperSU (cf-root method) -- Currently using this state
= Got proper root access, Xposed works but will trip safetynet
Option 3 TWRP installed + Rooted with SuperSU (cf-root method)
= Don't try this, will cause your phone stuck in boot loop
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So not possible via TWRP? Get root access and remove TWRP? I just need that... The root.

We7dy said:
So not possible via TWRP? Get root access and remove TWRP? I just need that... The root.
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The best bet and possible trouble free is to first download the stock ROM from MIUI, reflash it and then root.

soralz said:
The best bet and possible trouble free is to first download the stock ROM from MIUI, reflash it and then root.
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:/ Can't root with TWRP without system read only...

We7dy said:
:/ Can't root with TWRP without system read only...
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It's possible to root without CF-Auto-Root? Why can't flash SuperSu directly with TWRP?

We7dy said:
It's possible to root without CF-Auto-Root? Why can't flash SuperSu directly with TWRP?
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No, it will cause your phone stuck it boot loop if you try to flash the SuperSU zip directly from the official ChainFire site. I think probably is the AB partitioning problem or some sort (unsure). As I said you need to run CF-Auto root to get proper root access, otherwise flashing Magisk through TWRP will makes most of the root apps does not work properly unless it also uses system-less root function.

soralz said:
No, it will cause your phone stuck it boot loop if you try to flash the SuperSU zip directly from the official ChainFire site. I think probably is the AB partitioning problem or some sort (unsure). As I said you need to run CF-Auto root to get proper root access, otherwise flashing Magisk through TWRP will makes most of the root apps does not work properly unless it also uses system-less root function.
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Ok I have TWRP installed can I use directly CF auto root?

We7dy said:
Ok I have TWRP installed can I use directly CF auto root?
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No if you want proper root with CF-auto root you must not have TWRP installed. You either choose TWRP + Magisk (non-working root) or no TWRP but with SuperSU (working root, Xposed works too).
Follow the instruction here to get you on track:
https://forum.xda-developers.com/showpost.php?p=74326169&postcount=2

[ROOT] Root S4 mini I9192 in 2018/19

Method 1:- PC NEEDED
note:- bootloader of s4 mini i9192 is unlocked by default. So dont need to search how to unlockbootloader and stuff.....
You need to download TWRP from xda i.e., from here and flash it with odin...
note:- You have to pull the battery as soon as the phone vibrates after flashing recovery....
ITs time to flash supersu from recovery...
Users can flash SuperSU by Chainfre or Superuser by clockworkmod(attached below)
or Magisk
note:- magisk does not supports less than 5.0 versions of android....
Method 2:- Patch the stock boot.img with Magisk app by following instructions from here and flash it with odin and install Magisk app...
Note:- Magisk v22.1 is the last version to support Android 4.4.2 while Magisk v18.1 is the initial version.
Method 3:- Go and install KINGOROOT....
and root your device..
To move to SuperSu:- after that Using Flashify/Rashr/RootEssentials apps go and flash the .img file of recovery, uninstall kingoroot and flash supersu from recovery IF YOU WANT SuperSu
Method 4:- Go and install KINGROOT....
it fails...dont worry try for atleast five times..
Now your device is rooted....
Method 5:- Go and install Kingoroot pc version in your pc and follow the instructions and root.....
Method 6:- Download and flash the pre-rooted firmware from here in odin.....
Method 7:- If your device is I9192DDUCOF2 then Download cf-auto root from https://desktop.firmware.mobi/device:1182/firmware:8317 then flash it with odin
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Hope anyone of the above will work to root your I9192.
My other useful threads:-
⇛[I9192][ROM] StockROM Lite v2.x
⇛Little Guides and Tricks
⇛[INDEX]List of Custom ROMs for I9192
⇛[RECOVERY][GT-I9192][VARIOUS FILES] CWM,Philz,TWRP,Stock .imgs and stock boot.img etc
⇛[INDEX][RECOVERY][GT-I9192] CWM, Philz, TWRP, Stock imgs and stock boot.img
⇛[GUIDE]How to revert back to STOCK without PC
⇛[Guide]Make StockROM of S4 mini as flashable zip
⇛microG
⇛[STOCK]Init.d Support
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i would not recommend kingroot at all. wasnt it discovered to be spyware or some ****?

twosaltyy said:
i would not recommend kingroot at all. wasnt it discovered to be spyware or some ****?
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Right....But it has development and great interface and also known to lot people bro......
In some mobiles kingoroot not works but kingroot works....so i included bro.....
If we are going to root we have some risk...right...

HemanthJabalpuri said:
Right....But it has development and great interface and also known to lot people bro......
In some mobiles kingoroot not works but kingroot works....so i included bro.....
If we are going to root we have some risk...right...
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Yeah but putting unknowing users devices at risk?

twosaltyy said:
i would not recommend kingroot at all. wasnt it discovered to be spyware or some ****?
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Yup, I agree. Kingoroot is Chineese sh*t which steal your personal data.

Added Magisk Method for rooting....

HemanthJabalpuri said:
Added Magisk Method for rooting....
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hi @HemanthJabalpuri is there a Telegram or Discord group or channel for the s4 mini that i can join?
also thanks for your very helpfull threads on this device.