Hi everyone,
I wanted to pose this concept to you all to see what you think. Let's say, hypothetically, ASUS was considering having ZenUI, or at least parts of ZenUI open to developers and enthusiasts to tinker around. Can you please answer the following questions - serious replies please!
1) Would that be important to you?
2) What would you do with the code?
3) Would you guys view ASUS differently if we did this? (More negatively, the same, more positively)?
4) Would you recommend ASUS ZenFones to others based on this?
1) yes, very, as practice shows crowd development is much better in finding bugs, fixing them and adding features.
2) nothing, as I am not a coder, but I know many here would love to have it to add features, fix it, make it more suitable for them.
3) already view Asus as a good company, buy my stands would improve definitely.
4) kind of. I am in the boat where I got CN version, not knowing that I would get it, and what would that mean. (EBay seller is to blame here), but seeing that for ng open would give me hope that one day I would be able to unlock all bands needed for US operations. Meaning seeing Asus open their code for ZenUI would give me hope that other parts would become avail later.
even if im not a developer..i can sincerely answer some of the questions from the bottom of my hearts (as an end-user & power user)
1) definitely yes!
2) cant say much as im not a developer, but without the code/sources, things would never be stable and bugs will remain on certain custom roms/kernel, but one thing i can say for sure, the code will help developers to improve asus (software), since there's nothing much can be done on hardware side, so basically what im waiting for is OPTIMIZATION in terms of software and BETTER BATTERY LIFE. ( I know its rude to compare it with other companies, but such as Note 5, 3000mah battery can squeeze 7++ hours of SOT, but with its not impossible with zenfone 2 either!)
3) Yes, this will definitely boost ASUS performances! Just imagine, high end flagship devices that are half the price of other expensive flagships, who would not buy it? and even more, open-sourced? BOOM, ASUS is a winner.
4) Definitely yes, but if my friends were born rich, i would tell him to buy expensive device, but with closed-sources OS, and if he does not mind it. But if he need to choose the affordable one and profitable one, then ASUS is the answer!
Finally, win-win situation for both parties!
1. Yes, absolutely. Both on point of principle (openness is a positive thing), and from a practical standpoint (it would hopefully lead to improvements in the custom AOSP based ROMS and enable some ASUS firmware based ROMS too.
2. Not a dev, so nothing.
3. As I said, I appreciate openness as a positive thing. I would hold ASUS in high regard for such a policy, as it would show a real commitment to maximising device utility and user enjoyment. And it would be really cool.
4. Yeah, it would probably lead me to recommend Zenfones to more people. I am already an advocate of the merits of my device and gladly speak positively of it, but this would just add one more big plus point to shout about. Think it would generate quite a buzz amongst the tech community too.
1. Yes. My 2011 phone's life was extended until just a week ago thanks to the LegacyXperia project, which wouldn't have been possible otherwise.
2. Look at it a little. Maybe suggest improvements through a PR or some such if applicable, although that's fairly unlikely.
3. More positively, of course.
4. I already would, but more so, yes.
1) Yes.
2) I personally won't. But I'm sure some devs such as CM will use it, and I'm already on CM with my Zenfone 2. And I do miss some feature of Stock ROM. So hopefully CM devs can merge some of ZENUI into their ROM, and I would use it.
3) More Positively
4) I already recommend ASUS ZenFones to others, but sometimes it's hard to convince others. If source is opened, I can definitely use that as a reason for ZenFones.
1) yes, and the most important part is hardware sources or maybe support AOSP just like Sony
2) for now nothing but later im planning to learn some coding
3) I already love Asus
4) I already recommend Asus devices to many friends
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ASUS_Khang said:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to pose this concept to you all to see what you think. Let's say, hypothetically, ASUS was considering having ZenUI, or at least parts of ZenUI open to developers and enthusiasts to tinker around. Can you please answer the following questions - serious replies please!
1) Would that be important to you?
2) What would you do with the code?
3) Would you guys view ASUS differently if we did this? (More negatively, the same, more positively)?
4) Would you recommend ASUS ZenFones to others based on this?
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Just one question could Asus upload the kernel source code to github in the correct way kernel.org do I.e no symlinked folders outside of the main kernel source and keep it upto date day by day to have a complete git history this would help the kernel devs track and fix bugs quicker if all changes are committed as soon as changes are made.
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eoghan2t7 said:
Just one question could Asus upload the kernel source code to github in the correct way kernel.org do I.e no symlinked folders outside of the main kernel source and keep it upto date day by day to have a complete git history this would help the kernel devs track and fix bugs quicker if all changes are committed as soon as changes are made.
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I will definitely pass this along to the Phone team up at HQ. Thanks for the feedback!
1.Yea it would be awesome
2. İ cant so no
3. Much more positively
4 yes i already did
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1)Yes
2)Try to inspect why it require so many permissions
3)More positively
4)Yes
This would be more great for the developers
this will helps developers to optimized zen ui more
ASUS_Khang said:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to pose this concept to you all to see what you think. Let's say, hypothetically, ASUS was considering having ZenUI, or at least parts of ZenUI open to developers and enthusiasts to tinker around. Can you please answer the following questions - serious replies please!
1) Would that be important to you?
2) What would you do with the code?
3) Would you guys view ASUS differently if we did this? (More negatively, the same, more positively)?
4) Would you recommend ASUS ZenFones to others based on this?
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1) Quite
2) For starters would try to make the options in the drop-down menu and lock screen more customisable. If the ZenUI package includes Camera app I would look into that as well, for I am confident the camera can be improved.
3) I see no negative effects for the customers or developers in such decision, only positive.
4) Certainly
1) Yes, I think to pass on CyanogenMod because of it
2) fit my needs, share what I do, inspire me to better integrate applications (already open source) that I created ZenUI
3) absolutely, I have always made the pub for hardware Asus but this would be the icing on the cake
4) definitely yes yes yes
1) Would that be important to you?
As a developer? no. as im no dev, but as a user knowing what the community can do with stuff, then the answer is yes.
2) What would you do with the code?
Me, nothing. but devs could do some neat things im sure.
3) Would you guys view ASUS differently if we did this? (More negatively, the same, more positively)?
I already view asus positively, i use many asus products that include 2 monitors, a gpu, a laptop, and phone and each item i love
4) Would you recommend ASUS ZenFones to others based on this?
already have talked my best friend into getting one, and have tried talking my grandfather and mother into getting the zenfone max even though they wont support 4g in the usa(there on the fence)
Edit: just noticed someone randomly bumped this thread that was dead sorry :\
ASUS_Khang said:
Hi everyone,
I wanted to pose this concept to you all to see what you think. Let's say, hypothetically, ASUS was considering having ZenUI, or at least parts of ZenUI open to developers and enthusiasts to tinker around. Can you please answer the following questions - serious replies please!
1) Would that be important to you?
2) What would you do with the code?
3) Would you guys view ASUS differently if we did this? (More negatively, the same, more positively)?
4) Would you recommend ASUS ZenFones to others based on this?
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1) Totally, I have many ideas for launchers.
2) Try to optimize it as much as possible.
3) More positively.
4) Yes, but I'm already recommending it.
1. Heck yassss!!!!! You are in the right place!
2. I'm not a developer, but I've been known to mess around. Seeing a thread like this after buying my first Asus phone after previously owning Samsung devices gives me a damn good reason to stick with Asus.
3. Absolutely! Being inclusive to this community shows a deeper appreciation for your customers than what many people are used to experiencing. It's nice to know that your thoughts and opinions matter and can have a positive influence on future products. My Asus experience is already quite positive. Now, you're earning my respect. Keep it up, Asus!
4. Most definitely! You guys keep searching for Incredible. When I find people looking for the same, they'll be sure to hear about my experience so far.
I didn't know zenphone used a custom proprietary Android when I bought my phone and am very pissed off that I can't build the OS my self and install it on my phone
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I didn't know zenphone used a custom proprietary Android when I bought my phone and am very pissed off that I can't build the OS my self and install it on my phone
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...every maker uses a custom "skin" over android. nothing is stopping you from building the rom from there source. but the zenui isnt open source. same with samsungs touchwiz and htc's sense
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Hi all, i'm going to buy this device, probably, but i'm a bit scared by its particularity.
I fear that not so many devs will pick it up and support for long time...who's here, apart from Chainfire (great guy, but he develops root methods mostly, not full roms or super optimized kernel, he shows the way to others )?
Supercurio (another great dev, but with specific attention to color/sound and not to full roms, again) could come up later (he doesn't seem the "0 day" buyer ), or at least i hope so, and i think Cyanogen will come pretty soon (but could it be with S-Pen full support or not?), but then?
Is it out in USA or not yet?
Sorry for all the questions (they may sound even dumb, i know), but continuous development is the only main "?" i'm facing before the purchase (my galaxy s1, far from being perfect, gained incredible improvements from devs' work)
Same doubts here... How about developers who have the device/are about to buy comment on this thread, that way we can know about the kind of developer support we can expect.
It took 7 months for the GSII to come to the US. I wouldn't cross my fingers.
I'm running rooted stock right now and I am already getting better battery, performance than my S2, and loving this HD screen!
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But when I bought the SGSII in June 1st week, a lot of development was already taking place. The Note is following the same launch trajectory: UK>Europe>India>South-East Asia> then rest of the world. Now that it's available in India, I don't see many developers who have adopted the device.
kunalparwani said:
But when I bought the SGSII in June 1st week, a lot of development was already taking place. The Note is following the same launch trajectory: UK>Europe>India>South-East Asia> then rest of the world. Now that it's available in India, I don't see many developers who have adopted the device.
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The op was asking if the Note was in the US, wasn't responding to you.
Why run custom ROMs when the system is already godly? Anyways just look at the At&t ****rocket, it is a piece of **** that At&t created and it is still getting devs.
If you think development is a problem, there's a simple solution... go with your gut. No one here can tell you what to do, the Note runs faster and smoother than my GSII that has cooked roms. Cooked ROMs can increase some aspects, but mess up others. Once someone zipaligns and adds some init'd scripts, I'll be happy.
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xAnimal5 said:
The op was asking if the Note was in the US, wasn't responding to you.
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I was asking for availability to US developers, i'm european and very keen to buy this beautiful tabphone (hoping to be able to manage it, i like big screens, but this is just bigger ).
I'm glad it runs so well (but i tried it in store and it didn't look so incredibly smooth, i hope it was due to idiots who mess up everything with their sticky hands ), but i hope to see some customization soon (not only custom samsung roms, that are indeed kinda pointless, but cyano, miui, and hopefully mods of these two roms, deeply modified kernels and so on...ICS )
I have to kind of agree, I really see no reason to put a custom rom on the note, everything just works. I wouldn't mind some themes for when things get a little stale but don't really see a need for a rom.
I have been flashing Roms since 2005. The ONLY reason I would not installed a custom rom is the fear of losing the warranty. But since even that is not a problem usually now, I see no reason why not flashing a custom rom..
E.g: Some people want's to modify their cars, other not.. We respect everyone's opinion(if within reason) and preferences.
BUT: The option to have a Custom Kernel/ROM made by our skilled developers here for performance/optimization, stability and longer battery life and customizations? I would take that every time over the stock..
Hi, simple question really, and shouldn't be too hard to answer for all you flashaholics out there !
All I want, is a completely bugless custom ROM, not bothered about much else. For me customisation etc comes last, bugs is my main priority.
As I always think I've found a good ROM, read into it and see an array of issues ranging from Faulty Wifi to Gyro's not working etc.
Thanks in advanced !
All software has bugs. Doesn't matter who makes it. It's not just features that get added with incremental OS updates. Contains more bugfixes than features in most situations.
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All software has bugs. Doesn't matter who makes it. It's not just features that get added with incremental OS updates. Contains more bugfixes than features in most situations.
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I don't think this is generally true, obviously software has glitches, that aren't necessarily bugs. I'm talking bug's that effect the devices performance and overall scope of technology.
Hense I stated stuff such as Data connections not working, Gyro's being broken, SOD's and what not.
I want a nice, smooth bugless ROM, can't be too much to ask?
Most bug's from the devs here come from trying to add to much (IMO) whereas I just want a clean, simple and bugless ROM to use as my daily driver.
For now, I think I'll stick with Stock unless I get some recommendations !
Xda devs push the bounds of these android builds beyond where they were meant to go. That entails adding bits and pieces of code that may add some bugs to the software while delivering unique abilities to the OS. Its a tradeoff so yes, I think asking for a bug less ROM that isn't stock is to much to ask. I think asking for anything is asking to much in fact. These devs do this in their free time and to complain and or lament about their efforts not being good enough is exactly the opposite of what XDA is founded upon. If you want something that "just works" then buy an iPad or go back to stock jellybean. This is a development website, if that fundamental point is going over your head then you need to find your kicks elsewhere.
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johnrippa said:
Xda devs push the bounds of these android builds beyond where they were meant to go. That entails adding bits and pieces of code that may add some bugs to the software while delivering unique abilities to the OS. Its a tradeoff so yes, I think asking for a bug less ROM that isn't stock is to much to ask. I think asking for anything is asking to much in fact. These devs do this in their free time and to complain and or lament about their efforts not being good enough is exactly the opposite of what XDA is founded upon. If you want something that "just works" then buy an iPad or go back to stock jellybean. This is a development website, if that fundamental point is going over your head then you need to find your kicks elsewhere.
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You've totally mislaid the point, I'm not complaining about the current ROM's out their as yes, like you said they push the boundaries which could cause bug's.
Asking for a bugless customer ROM isn't to much to ask for at all mate, and you clearly don't check enough of this forum, as for example on the HOX their are a couple of custom ROM's, like the Stock with no bug's but speed and performance enhancements.
I think you need to read and digest what I have already written, as I think you'll find you've taken this right out of context.
Who are you my Dad?
Wilks3y said:
Hi, simple question really, and shouldn't be too hard to answer for all you flashaholics out there !
All I want, is a completely bugless custom ROM, not bothered about much else. For me customisation etc comes last, bugs is my main priority.
As I always think I've found a good ROM, read into it and see an array of issues ranging from Faulty Wifi to Gyro's not working etc.
Thanks in advanced !
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If your primary concern is having the fewest amount of bugs (yes there are always bugs in software, some more obvious than others) then stick with stock Android on your Nexus 7. This is not a slam against any developers or distros, it is just the simple reality that comes from the fact that Google pays people to work on Android, and other developers work on their roms in their personal time. In the end, it's all personal choice and what works for me may not be what's best for you.
comminus said:
If your primary concern is having the fewest amount of bugs (yes there are always bugs in software, some more obvious than others) then stick with stock Android on your Nexus 7. This is not a slam against any developers or distros, it is just the simple reality that comes from the fact that Google pays people to work on Android, and other developers work on their roms in their personal time. In the end, it's all personal choice and what works for me may not be what's best for you.
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Im in the same boat with you, I think the dev's here are brilliant, and really should be appreciated for their work. I am not mocking/having a go or anything else along those lines.
MaXimus ROM for HOX is better than stock, with no bug's and great performance boost etc.
All I wanted to know was, does one exist for the Nexus, sheesh kebab !
I am using eclipse build 3 and nitro provides a nice combination of customization and stability. Nitro is known to provide a very stable rom always easy to make a back up and try a new rom. You can always find the latest for eclipse on eclipserom.com
Hope this helps I was a flashaholic until I started using eclipse. Nitro also provides his own kernel and has been running great for me
Care to link me mate?
And thanks for a USEFUL reply.
obviously ur definition of "bugs" is different from the majority of people here..
i have yet to run into a "bugless" rom myself.. if u think any rom is "bugless", its probably that u have not used it thoroughly enough..
the only way to get an answer to ur question is to try out all those custom ROMs urself, and select the one with the least, or according to ur definition, no "bugs"..
another useless answer.. i know.. just like the question itself..
http://eclipserom.com/vforum/showth...ouper-Build-3-Welcome-to-the-Dark!!-(10-27-12)
Just make sure to make a nano back up before flashing that way if you do not like you can always go back. Happy flashing
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I have not ran bug less beast ROM on my n7 but it was very stable also on my gnex. Just a clean stock feel with some small changes. I like eclipse because of the stability and customization. But if eclipse is not for you try another that's the great thing about having a nexus don't like it just restore your stock back up.
Wilks3y said:
Im in the same boat with you, I think the dev's here are brilliant, and really should be appreciated for their work. I am not mocking/having a go or anything else along those lines.
MaXimus ROM for HOX is better than stock, with no bug's and great performance boost etc.
All I wanted to know was, does one exist for the Nexus, sheesh kebab !
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Yes. Stock. 'nuff said.
Rootbrain
Bugless pete. Clue is in te name.
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Currently using....
Eclipse and Rasbeanjelly without all the issues some seem to encounter on a routine basis. There are just way to many variables for me just not to flash and monitor how my tablet performs. Of all the ROMs I've tried I find I rarely encounter the amount or severity of issues being discussed. Maybe I'm just not what many here would consider a power user, but my use of my laptop and netbook have decreased dramatically! :laugh:
Hi devs... it is a sincere request from you all...
Here in XDA, we dont have any thread related to Xiaomi's Mi2/2s.
I hope by now people have heard enough about Xiaomi as their latest flagship model is getting shipped soon... Mi3
I request the developers of Omni ROM to support Xiaomi devices, especially Mi2/2S pls just like other CM , AOSP & AOKP ROMs r doing...
Waiting for your reply... Thanks in advance....
plikmuny said:
Hi devs... it is a sincere request from you all...
Here in XDA, we dont have any thread related to Xiaomi's Mi2/2s.
I hope by now people have heard enough about Xiaomi as their latest flagship model is getting shipped soon... Mi3
I request the developers of Omni ROM to support Xiaomi devices, especially Mi2/2S pls just like other CM , AOSP & AOKP ROMs r doing...
Waiting for your reply... Thanks in advance....
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Xiaomi are notorious for being flagrant GPL violators, so - highly unlikely.
Just like CM, the real deciding factor for support is, "will a maintainer pick it up?"
Entropy512 said:
Xiaomi are notorious for being flagrant GPL violators, so - highly unlikely.
Just like CM, the real deciding factor for support is, "will a maintainer pick it up?"
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Oh come on... please don't punish the users based on company's attitude...
It is a great phone with great UI. just like Nexus 4 it has similar hardware.
All we request here is where ever a new developer wants to build a open sourced ROM, they say not to touch Xiaomi... & everybody wants to build a ROM for Nexus & other phones where they have too many options already...
This is not fair & is not necessary for Nexus & other phone models where they already have too many options available.
I am not saying that you shouldn't , but think in my way also pls.... As you may be aware of there are so many Xiaomi Mi2/2S users alone in Europe & other countries also... but the main problem is lack of good development support. only we should depend on the MIUI developers who keep releasing new build with minimal features based on 4.1.1 version. I mean , we are expecting 4.4 release soon & MIUI is still based on 4.1.1
come on man what the heck is going on... right ?i think always the same like this.... but what to do.. who will listen to our outcry ?
I thought atleast devs here care for our requests.... hence i gave it a go.... I really hope you understand our problem & support this device....
atleast consider from the users aspect pls... Thanks for understanding..... Take care.
I dont have any intention of being rude or arrogant here, i am just expressing my helplessness & pleading the devs for the betterment of android on all Xiaomi devices....
thats all... Thanks once again....
plikmuny said:
Oh come on... please don't punish the users based on company's attitude...
It is a great phone with great UI. just like Nexus 4 it has similar hardware.
All we request here is where ever a new developer wants to build a open sourced ROM, they say not to touch Xiaomi... & everybody wants to build a ROM for Nexus & other phones where they have too many options already...
This is not fair & is not necessary for Nexus & other phone models where they already have too many options available.
I am not saying that you shouldn't , but think in my way also pls.... As you may be aware of there are so many Xiaomi Mi2/2S users alone in Europe & other countries also... but the main problem is lack of good development support. only we should depend on the MIUI developers who keep releasing new build with minimal features based on 4.1.1 version. I mean , we are expecting 4.4 release soon & MIUI is still based on 4.1.1
come on man what the heck is going on... right ?i think always the same like this.... but what to do.. who will listen to our outcry ?
I thought atleast devs here care for our requests.... hence i gave it a go.... I really hope you understand our problem & support this device....
atleast consider from the users aspect pls... Thanks for understanding..... Take care.
I dont have any intention of being rude or arrogant here, i am just expressing my helplessness & pleading the devs for the betterment of android on all Xiaomi devices....
thats all... Thanks once again....
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I think you misunderstood. Without the kernel source it is pretty much impossible to support the device regardless of whether a dev wants to or not - we can't change that.
plikmuny said:
Oh come on... please don't punish the users based on company's attitude...
It is a great phone with great UI. just like Nexus 4 it has similar hardware.
All we request here is where ever a new developer wants to build a open sourced ROM, they say not to touch Xiaomi... & everybody wants to build a ROM for Nexus & other phones where they have too many options already...
This is not fair & is not necessary for Nexus & other phone models where they already have too many options available.
I am not saying that you shouldn't , but think in my way also pls.... As you may be aware of there are so many Xiaomi Mi2/2S users alone in Europe & other countries also... but the main problem is lack of good development support. only we should depend on the MIUI developers who keep releasing new build with minimal features based on 4.1.1 version. I mean , we are expecting 4.4 release soon & MIUI is still based on 4.1.1
come on man what the heck is going on... right ?i think always the same like this.... but what to do.. who will listen to our outcry ?
I thought atleast devs here care for our requests.... hence i gave it a go.... I really hope you understand our problem & support this device....
atleast consider from the users aspect pls... Thanks for understanding..... Take care.
I dont have any intention of being rude or arrogant here, i am just expressing my helplessness & pleading the devs for the betterment of android on all Xiaomi devices....
thats all... Thanks once again....
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Without kernel source and either platform reference sources, or a good idea of them...you simply can't go making ROMs...
That's why you don't have any. If you really care about custom ROM support, I'm afraid you need to ensure you only buy from GPL compliant suppliers, who use chip sets with good support in open source projects.
Also the prevalence of the device is significant, and I'm yet to see any of those devices in real life...ever... And I'm a phone geek...
If there aren't many out there, the chance of a developer inclined to get it working on any ROM is lower, as they are less likely to even have one.
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Without kernel source and either platform reference sources, or a good idea of them...you simply can't go making ROMs...
That's why you don't have any. If you really care about custom ROM support, I'm afraid you need to ensure you only buy from GPL compliant suppliers, who use chip sets with good support in open source projects.
Also the prevalence of the device is significant, and I'm yet to see any of those devices in real life...ever... And I'm a phone geek...
If there aren't many out there, the chance of a developer inclined to get it working on any ROM is lower, as they are less likely to even have one.
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Yup. If you want a device that has good developer support, do research before buying it. If it's a company that flagrantly violates the GPL on a regular basis - why are you giving them your money?
Basically, I am not spending my volunteer spare time to support a company that is engaging in the practice of managing to steal that which is practically given to them for free.
But seems that Xiaomi will set the kernel source free soon.
At least they said that..
http://miuiandroid.com/2013/09/17/exclusive-xiaomi-mi-device-kernel-will-open-sourced/
They are great phones with a great software/hardware optimization,
Without kernel source and either platform reference sources, or a good idea of them...you simply can't go making ROMs...
That's why you don't have any. If you really care about custom ROM support, I'm afraid you need to ensure you only buy from GPL compliant suppliers, who use chip sets with good support in open source projects.
Also the prevalence of the device is significant, and I'm yet to see any of those devices in real life...ever... And I'm a phone geek...
If there aren't many out there, the chance of a developer inclined to get it working on any ROM is lower, as they are less likely to even have one.
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I have an update for you ! Xiaomi releases their source code on 25th October .
Also there is one more hard working developer who without the Xiaomi's sources, has achieved what you are calling as unlikely & next to impossible... only problem for his ROM is camera driver.
He has a thread here in XDA also...
Fine if you all developers have already decided that you only develop or cook ROM for the well known models... it is ur wish. My wish i expressed & likewise you have also done your part.
And to all those who think Xiaomi is not a major player in Mobile industry & who have a false impression that it is just an another Chinese company... should do their research on their different models, their softwares , their track records & demand for their phone models & excellent hardware at best price. I agree they are not bigger than Google, but they are growing at a faster pace. I am not here to boast about that company, but i just shared my 3 months knowledge after buying Xiaomi Mi2S for the first time. Before that i was unaware of this company & had a same opinion like many of the people here have it....
Anyway... if Xiaomi releases for sure on 25th & my favorite developer releases his complete ROM.... pls delete this thread & i don't bother you guys also. It is almost perfect without camera.... thats why i am not using it for daily purpose.... may be you all should take a look at his work once.... AWESOME !
OK guys, dont think that i am trolling here or boasting here or something else.. i am just telling you the facts about my phone & the company which makes it....
Hoping to get a good & positive response from you all...
If Xiaomi makes major changes to their policy of rampant intellectual property theft, maybe things will change.
But in general, for a developer, our most limited resource is time. As a result, it's far better to work with a company that cooperates with the community and treats them with respect (Oppo, Sony, Google's Nexus devices) than one who constantly treats them like ****.
There's also the principle of the thing. I absolutely 100% refuse to work with the devices of any company that commits frequent GPL violations. Even if Xiaomi finally stops violating the GPL, they'll have to work hard for their long-standing track record of extremely poor behavior.
Same reason Samsungs are currently near the very bottom of my priority list, despite them having lots of users. Being lied to shamelessly on a regular basis (such as claiming that N8013 UEALGB was a "leak" and they didn't have to provide kernel source matching that build, despite it being preinstalled on every N8013 sold in the USA) leaves a lasting negative impression.
We should soon see a forum on here. The only reason it wasn't is because they want the source code and we should have that Oct 25 the can't wait.
Ive had my xiaomi mi2 for a little over a month and really like it. Can't wait til we see a forum Here.
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And do you think once the kernel is released some dev could enable the LTE in Mi2S?
Seems that the processor Snapdragon 600 has LTE integrated.
But maybe is not that easy...
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And do you think once the kernel is released some dev could enable the LTE in Mi2S?
Seems that the processor Snapdragon 600 has LTE integrated.
But maybe is not that easy...
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Its not possible. Its not set up for it. Its a hardware change to get lte. The mi3 is 3g only so the earliest I see lte is mi3s.
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A hardware change?? But the snapdragon 600 has not the LTE chip integrated? Samsung S4 has the same processor and has LTE...
I am not an expert, just wondering...
Yes, the S600 does have LTE built-in.
But if the device does not have LTE amplifier on board, you could enable/use LTE, but you'll get really poor network reception.
It's already been done on the Nexus 4, but was not really usable as-is. The lack of amplifier makes it a bad idea. It's only good for the proof-of-concept.
I understand now.. it's a pity... Thank you for the info.
Now the question is, would you buy a phone like Mi2S without LTE,?
now that the 4g is extending more and more, and thinking that the phone should last at least 2 years... I am not sure if i should buy it or not...
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A hardware change?? But the snapdragon 600 has not the LTE chip integrated? Samsung S4 has the same processor and has LTE...
I am not an expert, just wondering...
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http://www.anandtech.com/show/6541/the-state-of-qualcomms-modems-wtr1605-and-mdm9x25
Pay close attention to the RFFE block in the first diagram.
The Snapdragon 600 has NO integrated modem. The MDM9xxx does support LTE, IF paired with a WTR1605L - not every device has an L variant, and even if it does, band support requires the right components (PAs, filters) in the RFFE chain.
Yes, seems clear that Xiaomis Mi22s/a will never support LTE.
Waiting for Nexus 5 to choose my next phone...!
Ok guys, is there any point in maintaining this thread ?
when no dev is really interested in working on this one of the best hardware phone ?
I mean other than off topic discussion, nothing really in particular to ROM Dev for Mi2/2S going on in this thread especially.
It is upto the Moderator to decide what best can be done for the fate of this thread & hence Xiaomi Mi2/2S !!!
Thanks a lot for your precious time.
Take care.
OK guys so the Xiaomi kernel is already open sourced. That's a good new.
Will we see a forum here soon??
Hi
I think this might attract the attention of developers especially Entropy, Pulsar & other prominent persons...
waiting for their final word on the development of Omni ROM for Mi2....
Let's be honest to ourselves here guys, out beloved Moto X Style was officially released in September which means this phone has now been out for at least 3 months and while all the effort that has since been put in this devices by key developers and people from day 1 up till now is very much appreciated and will continue to be appreciated, the development of this device compared to most flagships has been slow motion.
I am just trying to understand what the hell went wrong with this phone that made it end up with such super slow motion development, as when I originally bought the device I was thinking this phone would be at least in the top 20 most active phones on XDA development wise.
It had so much going for it, easy root, easy unlockable bootloader, a pretty much almost complete stock version of android, kernel sources released and motorolas good track record of updating their flagship phones in a timely manner and good hardware to accompany the great bloatware free stock software and a cheap price compared to some other flagships from other companies such as Samsung and Sony
With all this in mind I thought developers would flock to this device and we would have a massive development forum with loads of options between custom roms, mods, themes and other tweaks etc
But this is far from the case and I know the Nexus 6P being released probably had something to do with it, Still this should have been at least in top 20
At first I thought when Android 6.0 MM will be released development will increase then we needed the kernel sources as that was apparently not enough, then we had kernel sources but apart from 1 or 2 roms showing up being in alpha stages nothings changed too much.
This is such a disappointment to say the least.
If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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If only I could understand why this is happening maybe something could be done to fix this or increase the development of this phone, I dont know maybe get some developers from the nexus 6p forums on here some how ...
Any ideas why this has happened and if anything can be done to increase development?
IS THERE ANY WAY WE AS A COMMUNITY CAN GET MORE DEVELOPERS TO WORK ON THIS DEVICE?
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
When i had the one plus one there were so many roms that was a brain storm... I prefer some and reliable roms than a plethora where you get confused!!!
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
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IMO you hit the nail on the head. I love this phone. I had the MXPE 2014 as well, was not a fan. Also owned the original, Loved it.
This MXPE has been great in imo, the lack of development has not been disappointing to me. The stock rom is really pretty good, there are minor tweaks that can be done but most can do these on their own.
I used to be a flash-aholic, but like @GretaLewd has stated...custom roms tend to break things. I'm more in favor of kernel development. But how many different kernels can you have? One way or another they'll be the same.
I also own a Nexus 6P, but my MXPE is my go to device.
I see users complaining about this phone constantly, I really don't think it matters what phone you put in the hands of those users...they would still find fault and complain.
Motorola and Lenovo did good by this device, I just hope they keep up with incrementals for a while.
Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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Good thread. Would love to hear more thoughts
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Ordered the device today. Hope slow development doesn't disappoint me on this device, as others have stated...
I have been using this device for 2 months now. I am happy with it an didn't face a single issue. I can do a little bit tweaking myself using Xposed.
So far the slow development doesn't bother me.
Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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Only buy a device for what it can do out of the box, not what you hope it will be able to do with additional modding and development... Nothing else is guaranteed!
As it stands I'm very happy with my rooted stock Style, not need for custom roms.
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That's a good way to approach Android phones I suppose but I believe
it's still nice to buy a phone that's great out of the box and good development wise, usually flagships tend to have good development and then the mid range and low end phones tend to get smaller developments but I guess there's an exception to everything.
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Isn't the 64bit cpu reason because it takes more work to get cm/aosp roms?
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I doubt that's the reason since 64 Bit has been the standard since Lollipop and pretty much all the flagships have a 64bit cpu since the beggining of 2015 but that doesn't stop other development forums from flourishing.
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I think it's due to a combination of factors, such as :
1) The popularity of the phone/ manufacturer. These figures show Lenovo/Motorloa in 5th place for sales, having a 3.7% market share in Q3 2015
2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
3) With phones getting more expensive, more people are put off from unlocking their bootloader due to warranty issues
4) I'm no longer convinced about the benefits of custom ROMs - seems a lot of the time they break more things than they fix. Maybe a lot of other people now think the same.
5) Some apps, for example ones for mobile banking or subscrition TV & Video, will not work with a rooted phone.
In the past I've had various phones from various manufacturers, and I'd say if you get your kicks from installing custom ROMs, then buy a Nexus.
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Thank you for your break down on your thoughts of the subject and I must admit you've mention some very valid points here especially Point 1,2 and 5 but I think out of all of these its Point 1 and 2 that are the most significant, I suppose Motorola have a really small market share explains the lack of adoption between developers when comparing to some of the more prominent manufacturers such as samsung.
and The Android Stock OS has improved significantly within the past couple of years adding some new features that previously people had to root their phones to acomplish such as full app permission controls and backing up app data which google does for you now.
You need to follow development before buying a device these days. i.e. always wait at least 1-2 months. If you follow the development forums you would get an idea if developers are interested in said device or not. I for one, bought it right after I found out that AICP (CM12) rom was being developed. I was interested in running CM13 instead of other AOSP variations. And before I got the device the first (almost daily driver) builds were already uploaded.
Once cm is solid quite a few roms will pop up. Won't be long now.
Official MM has only been out for our phone for a little over a month. give it some time it may pick up. either way it's still an awesome phone out the box... and as stated above, once CM13 is stable im sure we'll see some of the other custom ROMs that are based off it.
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2) The OS (Android) has improved a lot over recent years, to the extent where a lot of people (like me) are happy to stay with stock
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This is a great point, but I'd like to add that this is especially applicable to our MXPE. We're really close to stock as it is, so there's little motivation to go ROM to debloat like there is on Samsung, LG, and similar phones. On the flip side, we have a lot of really neat features (active display, approach, accelerator gestures, voice controls) that we would lose if we went ROM.
For me, these two points combine, leaving me with little motivation to ROM my phone, especially since I can could get most of the advantages of CyanogenMod with something like GravityBox, which will allow me to keep the Motorola features (I'm currently unrooted because of the warranty, but I'll be rooted in the future for sure) . Of course, these are my own personal opinions, but I suspect that they reflect at least some of the mindset of this community.
I agree with others, that custom roms are often more trouble than they're worth. The only reason to use them these days is if your device isn't going to be updated to the latest version of Android.
Ever since moto introduced 99% stock android + moto display, roms have been entirely unnecessary for me. I used to rom my phones to gain greater flexibility + customizability. Now that I have stock android + Xposed, I doubt I will ever flash another custom rom again.
I'm still waiting for custom super roms that will make this device best in the market. Why can we have a rom with 1080p display, tweak kernel with better control for heating issue for overall battery life and speed?
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The biggest issue is that developers don't support devices they don't own. With the launch of the nexus 6 (not the 6p) most developers got it and had no need to update to a y newer devices.
Also to the comment that all flag ships are 64 bit this is not the case. If you look the most popular devices as far as developers are concerned are non 64 bit.
Also as android matures you will see less and less roms. As it will be come harder. There are very few real development teams. Most are just kitchen sink roms. A base with tons of cherry picks and a new name. Nothing even worth looking at twice. But more developers are closing up the source of their projects because of these types of roms.
To be honest most users have no point in flashing roms. Only those that like the development side of it will continue to mod roms and flash things.
Guys... I have no idea why this phone doesn't have any custom rom already.
The phone is good the processor is famous and already has many roms for it google cam is also supported.
I request if anyone by any chance can contact a developer for a rom. By telegram, WhatsApp or any social media. And if none of those agrees to make it because they doesn't have this phone, then I and I know many of you will be willing to test the rom for improvement.
I bought this phone 2 weeks ago at very cheaper rate but now I think I should have taken any other phone.
Previously I owned Moto droid turbo and Asus zenfone 2.
Both phones have great development till now.
It's a humble request. Please find someone.
The problem with this phone is that not so many people bought it despite the great specs. I think people gave up since Zf5 is already released.. Look at Zf2, so many roms!
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Guys... I have no idea why this phone doesn't have any custom rom already.
The phone is good the processor is famous and already has many roms for it google cam is also supported.
I request if anyone by any chance can contact a developer for a rom. By telegram, WhatsApp or any social media. And if none of those agrees to make it because they doesn't have this phone, then I and I know many of you will be willing to test the rom for improvement.
I bought this phone 2 weeks ago at very cheaper rate but now I think I should have taken any other phone.
Previously I owned Moto droid turbo and Asus zenfone 2.
Both phones have great development till now.
It's a humble request. Please find someone.
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I am surprised as well that there's no custom stuff available either.
However, this is the first device I've had where I haven't put a custom ROM on it or even rooted and I'm finding I'm not missing a whole lot. My needs are probably pretty modest but I find that stock it's doing everything I want already.
I used to at least root to get Adaway installed but with browsers that have ad-blocking built-in and the rest of my apps generally being paid ad-less versions I don't even miss that. There's always Blokada/DNS66/etc. if I need to.
We're even on Oreo too now.
So, honest question - what features do you want from a custom ROM for our phones?
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I am surprised as well that there's no custom stuff available either.
However, this is the first device I've had where I haven't put a custom ROM on it or even rooted and I'm finding I'm not missing a whole lot. My needs are probably pretty modest but I find that stock it's doing everything I want already.
I used to at least root to get Adaway installed but with browsers that have ad-blocking built-in and the rest of my apps generally being paid ad-less versions I don't even miss that. There's always Blokada/DNS66/etc. if I need to.
We're even on Oreo too now.
So, honest question - what features do you want from a custom ROM for our phones?
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Well first of all I love the vanilla look of android.
I know I can get that by rooting but that's not what I want. I want a fresh raw android with some features like built in root support, good battery(vanilla android can get more out of this 5000mah), full pixel master and google camera support, splendid support, a little loud speaker(after oreo I think it sound low), ambient display(gotta use that amoled), and customisable options like in RR.
And there is one mod which can make your earpiece the secondary speaker to give stereo effect... That would be pretty dope.
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Well first of all I love the vanilla look of android.
I know I can get that by rooting but that's not what I want. I want a fresh raw android with some features like built in root support, good battery(vanilla android can get more out of this 5000mah), full pixel master and google camera support, splendid support, a little loud speaker(after oreo I think it sound low), ambient display(gotta use that amoled), and customisable options like in RR.
And there is one mod which can make your earpiece the secondary speaker to give stereo effect... That would be pretty dope.
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All cool things, I especially miss ambient display (had it on my Moto X Play and on some other devices with CM/Lineage) - using KinScreen/Gravity to try and simulate it but yes, full-blown ambient display is awesome. Not sure why ASUS didn't implement this.
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All cool things, I especially miss ambient display (had it on my Moto X Play and on some other devices with CM/Lineage) - using KinScreen/Gravity to try and simulate it but yes, full-blown ambient display is awesome. Not sure why ASUS didn't implement this.
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The built in "stock" ambient display in this thing is unlike the others. It gives out COLORS, not black and white. I tried with ambient display enabler for xposed and... got really disappointed.
Like, what a waste for an AMOLED
Also, is your panel bleeding some grey in the middle when it's full black?
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Also, is your panel bleeding some grey in the middle when it's full black?
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I can't say I notice that - can you give me an example of when you see that? Like a black background or similar?
Hey, I am here to find way to bring you Lineage OS. If you really want it just collect a donation to pay an used/ a new zenfone 3 zoom. Then a dev can work on it.
If you wish I can do this job and participate to the coast of the device.
Up to you guys
Battery drain
Doesn't feel like 5000 mah battery.
To much buggy rom.
Need custom rom badly.
Developers pls help
Developpers are busy making lineage OS for Bourgeois devices they dont care for broke people.
Because thats the true spirit of modding: Making Lineage for Samsung 12
Yes, we do need a custom ROM for this, badly. I can't imagine this to require a lot of effort to just port a Zenfone 3 ROM and fix the camera (correct me if I'm wrong).
McFy said:
Hey, I am here to find way to bring you Lineage OS. If you really want it just collect a donation to pay an used/ a new zenfone 3 zoom. Then a dev can work on it.
If you wish I can do this job and participate to the coast of the device.
Up to you guys
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I definitely agree to you sir.
You can get the help of @codeworkx guys. :laugh:
If some developers manage to work LineageOS for 3 Zoom I believe that custom roms will be more possible to be created.
Common developers
Pls develop some custom rom for this device having awesome hardware.
GCmod camera photos shot on this device come better than iPhone 7.
It's an highly capable device which needs AOSP/RR roms
Android Pie officially launched this Monday August 6th by the floor of the carriage will have to buy another device to be able to take advantage of the new ones of the system Artificial intelligence.
Custom ROM for Zenfone 3 zoom
Thanks for this. So you're looking for a zenfone 3 zoom to work on? Is that it, or would you want more donatin on top?
Come on guys, I'm up for this. I bought my 3 zoom in the UK for £172 brand new. Between 10 of us, £20 each to McFy?
how about it?
You still up for that, McFy?
thanks
McFy said:
Hey, I am here to find way to bring you Lineage OS. If you really want it just collect a donation to pay an used/ a new zenfone 3 zoom. Then a dev can work on it.
If you wish I can do this job and participate to the coast of the device.
Up to you guys
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Thanks for this. So you're looking for a zenfone 3 zoom to work on? Is that it, or would you want more donatin on top?
Come on guys, I'm up for this. I bought my 3 zoom in the UK for £172 brand new. Between 10 of us, £20 each to McFy?
how about it?
You still up for that, McFy?
thanks
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Why not I am interested by a new phone to work on, no no, as student I don't earn money, so such hint could help me to have a new phone and bring lineage for you guys, I am ok if you guys are ready, I can try as soon I am less busy Because of summer to make a build.
Regards
@McFy, is your offer still valid?
guys, seriously, this zenfone 3 zoom is for ~140$ on banggood.
it needs just ~14 ppl x 10$ or 28 ppl x 5$ to deliver it to the developer.
i'm first one in the line but doing this by myself will not be enough.
after we have some serious comittments here we can think of some social campaign or -- as you can see from McFy profile -- donating him directly through paypal.
who would like to participate? please add your nick and amount you're ready to participate.
1. geos_ - up to 10$
2.
geos_ said:
@McFy, is your offer still valid?
guys, seriously, this zenfone 3 zoom is for ~140$ on banggood.
it needs just ~14 ppl x 10$ or 28 ppl x 5$ to deliver it to the developer.
i'm first one in the line but doing this by myself will not be enough.
after we have some serious comittments here we can think of some social campaign or -- as you can see from McFy profile -- donating him directly through paypal.
who would like to participate? please add your nick and amount you're ready to participate.
1. geos_ - up to 10$
2.
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Sure it is
This sound as a nice idea to me, I am ready to pay 10$
Regards
I'd be maybe 3rd then. But for now I've noticed white noise in right earphone when sound is played, and I'm not 100% sure is that software or hardware issue.
How long It would take to build a LineageOs?