Hi all hardware mod experts/hobbyists.
As we are all moderate to heavy phone users, we need a phone with a good battery life that won't die before evening. However, everyone seems stick to a hone that could work with screen on less than 6hrs, even 3000mah won't help much.
Now, I want to add 1 or 2 more batteries connect in parallel to my current stock batteries. I hope it would multiply the juice, however I would concern about Charging Voltage, safety charging current from Charging IC inside the phone, and Charging Duration. Of cause, adding extra battery will make your phone Fat, ugly and heavy but we have better battery life.
battery type : norminal voltage of Li-ion 3.6v or 3.7v, Li-Po 3.8v and some other battery even mention 3.9v or 4.0v .
Full charge :4.2v.
Charge voltage 4.2v
Current : depend on the phone
duration = capacity / current
Please upload your modified phone by add extra batteries, with your usage experience.
i found this for iPod Touch 6th Gen. He modified by soldered another battery on the back for tripple battery life
I think it is better to use a power bank, safe, easy,maybe not convenient
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I think it is better to use a power bank, safe, easy,maybe not convenient
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Yep.... It is better to use power bank.... To embed 2 or more batteries may give better time but looks too odd...
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I'd recommend to if you're gonna add another battery do it with another of the same type because phone Power Manangment IC could have troubles trying to read two or three, if wanted, different batteries, in some cases they have different data read pins(the ones that are not positive and negatives)
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If connecting batteries, they should be same voltage and amperage. To get longer run times at the same voltage you connect both positive together, and both negatives together. If they are the same, lets say 3000 mah, then you while get 6000mah. Approximately twice the run time. If one battery is 1500mah, and the other is 3000mah, then you will only get 3000mah when they are connected. They will both only charge to 1500mah, or the lower amperage. If you connect the batteries from one positive to the other negative, on a 3.2 volt battery, then you will double the voltage to 6.4volts and blow out circuits on your device. Personally, I carry solar charged battery packs. I also have an AGM battery for a lawnmower that is 300amps, which will charge my phone for weeks. Any questions feel free to ask. I was a yacht mechanic, so I had to install and fix DC and AC portable power systems.
You better try some software optimization to get a better battery life,like a custom ROM & kernel, root your device,a good app for battery & performance boost which personaly use is called greenfy and it realy improves the battery life by hibernating apps,anyway 3000 mAh should be enough for most phones and better you lose your warranty rooting it,not trying to burn your phone's circuits with other batteries
Hi ! got 5000mah battery installed on my OP3, but it still says OP_3000mah.. How to modify this? Does this need to be rooted? Thanks!
Hi,
I recently did this to a Samsung Galaxy A3 2016 that I had multiple units of. One had a good screen and a battery, but the board was dead. The other one had a dead LCD and no battery. I turned them into one.
All you need to do is make sure that the voltage of the batteries is about the same, and then just solder the + of the first one to the + of the second one and the - of the first one to the - of the second one. Make sure to solder it to the pins beyond the battery controller, so that the second battery doesn't overheat or expand. Then just insert/solder the whole thing into the phone. DON'T use cells without a charge controller.
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This is what I did with the housing afterwards. I screwed 2 separate frames together, which allowed me to house the second battery with no problem. No glue was used and this is very solid.
The pictures are old, I later put a camera lens on it and a new back. I also got a separate NFC antenna, which I stuck on the top battery since the original antenna is on the bottom one.
I hope this helps.
And as for the battery capacity being displayed in the phone, I'm sure most applications such as AccuBattery or Ampere just display the capacity according to the model of the phone. I know that phones CAN measure the voltage of the battery (or batteries in our case), but I'm not entirely sure about phones being able to measure the capacity of the battery on their own. I know my modded phone displays 2300mAh despite the actual capacity being around 4400mAh after the mod.
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Due to its big display, battery of BA often drains very fast so we need powerful supply. A guy from PDAviet has come up with a new solution. He uses two Nokia BL 5C standard battery to make better, longer & more powerful batt than the original one.
All credit go to trongkhoi_designcorp (PDAViet)
Detail Tutorials can be found here:
Code:
http://translate.google.com/translate?prev=hp&hl=en&u=http%3A%2F%2Fpdaviet.net%2Fshowthread.php%3Ft%3D45908&sl=vi&tl=en
You need two good BL-5C Nokia Battery and some simple tools to do this. Hope you guys can manage it thru these illustrations below. Here we go
* Step 1: Unhousing
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http://img22.imageshack.us/img22/6376/vtc0157ku6.jpg
Give it a try and see. It's very easy. This new modded batt much better than original BA one. Sorry for my English.
Great !!!
That means I have a chance to "repair" my battery for low price
Thank You Very Much!!
If anyone made it , please write here how it works ( how much time BA is working on this modded battery)
Thx
good idea
hi,good idea but there is 4 poles in BA,and nokia hav 3 poles,how did u connect the 2 batteries?i think parallel,but the poles,and + & -,how did u know?give us good map to connect it exactly,thnx
plz refer to the link (google translated) for more details. After unhousing the BA batt (using a knife to remove the batt label), you will see the 2 separated connectors (-) and (+) in the small circuit -which tells the phone when the batt is fully charged.
on the BL-5C, there are 3 poles, but you only need to care about the (+) one, which you can find printed on the shell. the (-) is the metal core of the batt.
just open the BA batt and you can find it easy (with the help of the pictures above)
thnx
but there is a simple question,we need for this circuit? or we dont use it?
and the current will icrease twice,i think,thnx
You dont need to remove the small circuit like in the pic above, just keep it and use two original connectors of the batt if you like. have a look:
The original BA batt also contains two small batt (like two BL-5C) but with smaller capacity to make a total of 1490mAh.
You can replace these two original batts with other two 1020mAh BL-5C to make a total power of 2040mAh. Remember that the total capacity of the two new batts shouldn't exceed 2000mAh as the chager can stand a maximum of 2000mAh.
so nice
nice work,thnx for this good idea,i will try it,it is will increase the time of the battery work time,thnx again.
we need to keep the curcuit as it will tell the fone the remain power of the batt and when it is fully charged. if you are noobie, just keep the original connectors. or you use a soldering tool to solder the wire directly to the circut (like the illutrastions)
hnyuk49 said:
You dont need to remove the small circuit like in the pic above, just keep it and use two original connectors of the batt if you like. have a look:
The original BA batt also contains two small batt (like two BL-5C) but with smaller capacity to make a total of 1490mAh.
You can replace these two original batts with other two 1020mAh BL-5C to make a total power of 2040mAh. Remember that the total capacity of the two new batts shouldn't exceed 2000mAh as the chager can stand a maximum of 2000mAh.
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2020mAh is the battery capacity (see - it says mA-hour) and 2000mA is maximum charging current (for the charger, it is about 300mA when you charge it on USB). So if you put bigger battery - it will take longer to be fully charged. I'm planing to put 4 cells for a long time, but I'll have to make a bigger plastic back for the battery.
p.s. while removing allu-battery cover, you will certainly break some little plastic holders so it will look a little messy, but when you put it on the phone it looks as new
how to tell if your mod battery is indeed 2020mAh ?
that means long working time and long charging time.thnx
great tutorial, maybe i will try it on my old batteryes
GREAT!!!
I have a double-size battery housing for BA. I will fill it with 4 Nokia batteries!!
Thanks!
cgone said:
GREAT!!!
I have a double-size battery housing for BA. I will fill it with 4 Nokia batteries!!
Thanks!
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Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you do that your battery will finish charging the day the cows come home...
Sounds like a cool idea though
egzthunder1 said:
Someone correct me if I am wrong, but if you do that your battery will finish charging the day the cows come home...
Sounds like a cool idea though
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No problem, I have a 2000mAh charger It's usually fully charge the standard BA battery within 20-30 minutes
cgone said:
No problem, I have a 2000mAh charger It's usually fully charge the standard BA battery within 20-30 minutes
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Neat! Let us know how that works out. I have an extended battery as well (about 2.5 years old) and I believe that it is beginning to loose some steam, so I would consider doing that if it truly works...
xplode said:
great tutorial, maybe i will try it on my old batteryes
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Dont catch on fire xplode
WOW! Nice one. This is good news for me. Got lots of old nokia phones here with BL-5CA batteries 3.7v. I'll give it a try. If something bad happened please send flowers to my house. LOL will report back...
as of now here's what I've got.
Sorry for the big pic size...now I am having a hard time disassembling nokia batteries...
keep us posted on this red hanks. this kind of stuff excites me.
Would anyone recommend using this battery rather than the one it comes originally with the device?:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/DESIRE-Vision-High-Capacity-Battery/dp/B004ARTND4/ref=pd_cp_ce_1_img
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Would anyone recommend using this battery rather than the one it comes originally with the device?:
http://www.amazon.co.uk/DESIRE-Vision-High-Capacity-Battery/dp/B004ARTND4/ref=pd_cp_ce_1_img
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hmm seems legit, alot of people are using those red hong kong batteries and reporting good...its worth a shot, i believe you would have a higher battery life with this.
Don't believe the hype: http://batteryboss.org/
Most batteries that are only a little more than the default are generally useless. The only useful ones are the huge, significant jumps like from 1300mah to 2500mah or something. A jump of 200mah will make nearly no difference due to inefficiency.
It's also rather common for the capacity claims of those third-party batteries to be somewhat - erm - optomistic.
Exactly, simply look at good Branded AA rechargables and then compare to those oem ones, you will notice that all good branded state real capacity, while those cheaper ones state capacities that are not realisting, probably even not possible to produce, simply because if it was possible, then Energizer, Duracell, Sanyo would be offering them, but they are not.
So I bought second battery for my Z which is genuine, simply because I think those batteries have to be better, somehow verified by HTC, because it's in HTC interest for the battery to las as long as possible. So it's safe to assume you can't pack more power into the same package, anything advertized for 1500 has to be either 1300 or even less (cheaper components).
The only replacement battery that worked for me before was extended battery double in capacity and also double in size for Touch Pro2, it came with custom back cover. It really lasted londer that 2x smaller one.
I have invested in Micro USB Portable Emergency Charger Fit HTC Desire Z It holds 1500 MAh. Haven't tested it yet, just charged fully.
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Thanks for the info guys then I think I won't be buying this. Highly appreciated.
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Exactly, simply look at good Branded AA rechargables and then compare to those oem ones, you will notice that all good branded state real capacity, while those cheaper ones state capacities that are not realisting, probably even not possible to produce, simply because if it was possible, then Energizer, Duracell, Sanyo would be offering them, but they are not.
So I bought second battery for my Z which is genuine, simply because I think those batteries have to be better, somehow verified by HTC, because it's in HTC interest for the battery to las as long as possible. So it's safe to assume you can't pack more power into the same package, anything advertized for 1500 has to be either 1300 or even less (cheaper components).
The only replacement battery that worked for me before was extended battery double in capacity and also double in size for Touch Pro2, it came with custom back cover. It really lasted londer that 2x smaller one.
I have invested in Micro USB Portable Emergency Charger Fit HTC Desire Z It holds 1500 MAh. Haven't tested it yet, just charged fully.
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Kindly give us a feedback on your findings about the portable charger.
Thanks.
Underclock to lowest for screen off
Control sync times (can still use auto)
make sure you turn screen off when not using the phone
then you can easily get at least 24 hours use from it without the need for a bigger battery.
If I had no morals, I would source some cheap batteries from China that were clearly over-rated in terms of their capacity (or get some made up like that, with a higher capacity printed on than they really are), and then sell them on eBay with that over-inflated capacity.
I'm sure the number of batteries returned would be minimal, because it's so hard to really "prove" that the capacity is really less than that indicated.
Hi all, my new Samsuyng Galaxy S2 does not power on anymore.
I installed a new rom and the phone went in a kind of loop rebooting.
After 4 or 5 reboots, now it's totally bricked.
I cannot power it on (everything remains black, no screen, no lits, nothing).
I cannot debrick it using my jig cable (no life signs).
Have I to take back it to Samsung?
TIA
Luca
Have you pulled the battery before trying the jig?
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I did.
I noticed with my digital multimeter that the 3x100K + 1K are gining 240 K... Perhaps not good quality.
May I use a 300 Kohm resistnace instead?
TIA
Luca
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I would just buy a jig from ebay. Since it bootlooped there probably still is hope.
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yes, buy a pre made jig...
and then take it back to samsung if it doesnt work
I had a problem with my phone not powering up. It was going into a boot loop, and then just not giving any life signs. However, it turned out that not powering up was due to the battery being completely drained (showing less than 2.6v). I just used a few probes and elastic bands to put 4v across its terminals at 500mA for a half hour, which gave it some charge, and then put it back in my phone. This worked. So, if you haven't got access to a spare battery, check your battery's voltage. It needs to be at or higher than about 3v to power up your phone. (4.2v is full, 3.0v seems to be the lowest that will power the phone). If you have access to a power source, just connect it up and put 4v across the terminals. Remember to connect the positive of your source to the positive of your battery and negative to negative as well.
If you have a full LiIon battery, you can ever connect them positive to positive and negative to negative, and this trick will also work.
mrnaz said:
I had a problem with my phone not powering up, but going into a boot loop a few times, and then just not giving any life signs. However, it turned out that the boot loop was due to the battery being completely drained (showing less than 2.6v). I just used a few probes and elastic bands to put 4v across its terminals at 500mA for a half hour, which gave it some charge, and then put it back in my phone. This worked. So, if you haven't got access to a spare battery, check your battery's voltage. It needs to be at or higher than about 3v to power up your phone. (4.2v is full, 3.0v seems to be the lowest that will power the phone). If you have access to a power source, just connect it up and put 4v across the terminals. Remember to connect the positive of your source to the positive of your battery and negative to negative as well.
If you have a full LiIon battery, you can ever connect them positive to positive and negative to negative, and this trick will also work.
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This.
I dont know if its all android devices but some phones in bootloop do not recharge battery.
Ffbf said:
This.
I dont know if its all android devices but some phones in bootloop do not recharge battery.
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Yep. It's not just that that phone in bootloop didn't seem to charge, it's also the fact that in bootloop, the phone allowed itself to power up even though the battery voltage is below cutoff level. The phone cuts off at about 3v, but my battery was well below that level when it was dead. I charged it manually with the power supply as described in my previous post, and upon the next power up it seemed to boot normally.
Thus I suspect that the bootloop was due to some error allowing the phone to power up with the battery below cutoff voltage, and as soon as the OS loaded, it realized how low the battery was and powered down. This may be a cause of bootloop in other instances as well. Investigation is in order.
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(4.2v is full, 3.0v seems to be the lowest that will power the phone)
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I have 3,27 volts...
I did not understand how you externally recharged it.
lmerega said:
I did.
I noticed with my digital multimeter that the 3x100K + 1K are gining 240 K... Perhaps not good quality.
May I use a 300 Kohm resistnace instead?
TIA
Luca
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You should definitely try to approach 301K with the resistors.
Mine read 300K (3x100K @5%) and works just fine.
I bought 1x200 + 1x300 + 1x1... Now it is 301kOhm perfectly.
I'll try again.
Now I am charging my battery with an external charger
Nothing to do
Now I have exactly 301 KOhm resistance.
My battery is charged to 4.00 Volts.
No way.
Last chance:
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Looking to this picture I cannot understand if the PINs are looking from the front of the connector or the back.
I connected as it were seen from the front of the connector (as if I were looking inside it).
So i took the first 2 left.
Is it correct?
Thanks
lmerega said:
Nothing to do
Now I have exactly 301 KOhm resistance.
My battery is charged to 4.00 Volts.
No way.
Last chance:
Looking to this picture I cannot understand if the PINs are looking from the front of the connector or the back.
I connected as it were seen from the front of the connector (as if I were looking inside it).
So i took the first 2 left.
Is it correct?
Thanks
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The resistors have to be between pin 4(ID) and pin 5 (GND).
Most of the guys here at XDA are familiar with the hardware components inside Iconia tablets as well as very fond of all hardware weaknesses and strengths of that particular device.
As no surprise its battery capacity is …I would say, insufficient for that kind of a portable device especially given what brilliant job the engineers from apple had been done to Ipads.
Anyway, let’s move on the subject of this post.
The original battery has the specs as follows: 7.4V ,3260mAh .
My experience was quite straight forward – 3.5 hours video playback (display 60% dimmed down) ,4.5 hours wifi browsing/downloading , after 8 hours in stand by ( Wifi ,GPS turned off) battery drained about 25 percent .
That’s very close to a regular notebook and is not exactly what I expected from a 3G / Wifi tablet.
The good news is that not only Acer’s devices are paired with short lasting batteries, so no one should regret choosing Iconia tab, and even better news is about to come soon if we can craft our own supporting battery and make this gadget work overnight .
The battery charger is providing current of 12V 1.5A (1500mAh) and 12V is happen to be one of the most popular voltage used in cars and therefore wide range of cars accessories as well as security cameras and so forth. A brief eBay search led me to a Chinese made super duper battery for security cameras which may be my happy ticket. 12V 9800mAh sounds like a spoon of honey to me. Of course the battery pack looks horrible (OEM cells, blue PVC insulating tape) but it cost less than you might think.
If paired with fancy spiral cable and appropriate DC jack this 350g battery may fit comfortably in your leather belt pouch and feed your lovely monster tab for about 6 + hours
The real power consumption of the tab is about 3260mah / ~3.5h = 800-1000 mA
After simple math we may see that battery with 9800mAh may charge the tab for about 6.5 hours
So my way of thinking is with fully charged internal and external batteries we have about 3.5 hours internal capacity then charge for about 1.5 hours (totally 5 hours ) then another 3.5 hours on internal battery then charge 1.5 hours and so forth until the supporting battery pack is almost drained. If the math in the following chart is correct we may recharge the internal battery up to 4 times without being chained to the wall socket
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So my hope posting this thread is that someone might like to join me in this experiment and share the results. I’m not an electrician and perhaps I may be wrong about my expecting results but if so, I’d like to be advised by someone who knows more than me and would like to put his/her contribution to get this mission complete
Uh. You didn't post a single question, what do you expect? Someone to confirm that yes, the external battery can be used to charge the tablet once you make a proper cable for it?
Yes, it can be used for that. And yes, it'll provide several hours of extra mileage.
It's the general section, no question required. Its a discussion, get over yourself.
Edit, I see it weighs 300 grams, pretty light. Do you have a link?
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I think it's a pretty sound idea. My question would be, how do you charge the external battery pack?
Most devices have an internal voltage regulator, that shuts the connection when a battery is sufficiently charged to prevent over-charging. Without this little device, you could overcharge your extra battery and possibly explode it.
Charging units (comes with the tab) only convert from AC to DC, not regulate the cut-off supply, at least as far as I know. So you would have to devise a method to supply the correct amperage and voltage, and, shut off when charged.
I got one of these external battery packs. I keep it in my backpack, and it'll recharge my tablet and phone several times over.
heldc said:
I got one of these external battery packs. I keep it in my backpack, and it'll recharge my tablet and phone several times over.
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Question, what do you use to re-charge the external battery pack?
Inquiring minds wanna know.....
EDIT, just checked the link. Too bad there's no NewEgg in Moscow, but lots of chinese batteries!!!
It comes with a charger, you plug it into the wall, or your solar panel, or your car.
heldc said:
I got one of these external battery packs. I keep it in my backpack, and it'll recharge my tablet and phone several times over.
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Thanks! I will save that and order one soon, as I am looking to do a prolonged photo shoot with my tablet in "follow-mode" displaying the shots as I take them, and was looking for a reliable way to keep it juiced.
To power up, you consume Red Bull. But your phone just needs its adaptive fast charger. Rate this thread to express how quickly the Samsung Galaxy A7 (2018) can charge. A higher rating indicates that it charges extremely fast.
Then, drop a comment if you have anything to add!
From 8% to 100% mine takes an hour more or less
Now this is interesting.
I am using usb power meter alongside the supplied charger and cable in the box and I found that even after the phone showed 100% charge it continued to draw current (~300mAh) for another 20 minutes until stopped entirely.
So my total charge time from 0-100% was 2 hours and 44 minutes.
Also for the first ~60% charge the phone draw the full 1.55 amperes and after that gradually dropped down to 0.50 amperes.
While the charger runs little bit hot the phone was cold the entire time.
2 hours to charge from 15% to 42 %
too long
This is way too much. You have probably got defective charger/cable.
But! If you are trying to charge it from a pc then is normal as regular usb ports supply only 0.5A instead of the 1.55A from the original charger.
I just realize charger is defective
Should i fix it or buy new one
Idk if its the cable or adapter
Nowadays chargers are basic inverters with few more stuff.
They have very few components inside but sometimes, usually after hard hitting/dropping on hard surfaces the soldering can get damaged with varying consequence between simply stopping working to working abnormally as lowering voltage, current, overloading and many other things.
For example I had a strange case with fully working charger with healthy components and solder joints but was working on random intervals. It was caused by solder whiskers touching nearby naked track and causing shorts. If it was cheaper charger it would blow, but in this one the overvolt protection was able to save it.
And this is why you can just buy usb power tester like this one
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or even simpler like this one
so that you can check what kind of power your phone actually receive from charger/power bank/pc etc.
Our phone does not have fast charge. As such it will not charge faster no matter how powerful charger and cable you can equip it with. For example I have one with 2x2.4 Amperes supporting QC charger mods and etc. - it will draw only up to 1.55 Amperes within 5 Volts range.
The normal USB 2.0 port can supply with max 0.5 Amperes, USB 3.0 within the basic implementation can supply under 1 Ampere.
In simple language this means with usb 2 it would take up to 8 hours to charge from 0 to 100%, with usb 3 it would take about 4 hours and half from 0 to 100% battery.
Of course depending on the manufacturers you can find usb 3 and 3.1 ports that are able to supply way more current, even values like 3 Amperes and higher.
This is why the best way to charge your phone is to use the supplied charger. The cable is also very important because of the current depending on the used wire gauge.
With cheap cable (using thin wires) you would not only be unable to use the available current, you can find yourself in the middle of fire.
But there is a big problem, the price sometimes doesn`t represent the needed quality.
Notice I`m not talking about durability. I can show you cables strong enough to endure 10 kilograms but with so thin wires that can`t carry over 0,5A trough them.
Put your trust only on products that are widely commented and tested by the buyers.
Now, I have tested the cable supplied with the phone. Although it easily handles the 1.55A current used by the phone if you put over 2A it will get really, really warm. This means the wires are big enough but are not expected to handle high current. In simple words don`t use this cable for other things than charging this phone, just to be safe.
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TLDR;
If you don`t have the necessary skills don`t try to repair it. Any repair error can easily make it burst in flames. Better try with another charger but make sure it can get you at least 1.5A otherwise it would take really long time to charge.
Is there a fast charger available for this phone??
blake .l said:
Is there a fast charger available for this phone??
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yes, I recommend oppo charger. In just 2hrs the batt will be full.
Is there a way to charge faster? In my case I can charge my phone maximally at 5.19V / 1.42A. Charging from 0% to 100% phone with such parameters takes more than 3 hours, because amperage is adaptive.
kamil79123 said:
Is there a way to charge faster? In my case I can charge my phone maximally at 5.19V / 1.42A. Charging from 0% to 100% phone with such parameters takes more than 3 hours, because amperage is adaptive.
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try to use oppo chargers