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The best camera is the one you have with you. That's why I bought the xperia z1:
http://filipedasilva.pt/blog/?p=512
Great pics
Wow amazing pics, I haven't found the perfect configuration for my XZ1..could you share in what mode you took them (Resolution, Superior Auto, Manual?? HDR on??)
Cool ! For a month now, i dont think my z1 could actually take photos like that. When i try to take a photo of mysekf, i always get half of my face blur. Maybe its bec of some autofocus malfunction, and when i use flash, i get pale complexion, feels like in a horror movie. But I find ur photos amazing , and would absolutely try taking pictures on like that.
Is it hard to post this few photos to xda forum? You must post link to your OWN gallery? It's not advertising site, it's developer site.
Wysłane z mojego C6903 przy użyciu Tapatalka
Here mine: http://daddye.vsco.co
Please teach us how to take pictures like you do with the z1
I can't upload photos to the forum and I don't know the absolut url since my blog doesn't allow right click!
It's not like i'm earning money with clicks jeez.
I took the photos in manual mode 8 MP, iso 50, touch to focus and adjusted the colors with exposure compensation. I've also used scene mode landscape with sucess.
I don't mess with automatic superior. Indoors I don't get so good results... and usually go manual with iso max 800 so that the noise correction don't mess with the photos.
But when the light is right, it can take great pics!
Whoa, looking stunning there. At some points I know that Z1 camera is truly decent in terms of pixel, but its ability to capture these awesome photos is something. Also it's because you're a photographer, ain't you ? That's why they turn out this amazing.
Why 8 mp mode instead of 20?
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Yes i'm a professional photographer.. but I did nothing fancy with the photos.. just a little bit of contrast. It's just a matter of taste.
I choose 8 MPs because with 20 the format is 4:3 and I kind of like framing landscapes with 16:9..
Beautiful photos, will try manual mode for now :laugh:
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Why 8 mp mode instead of 20?
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I'd assume because 20MP has hardly acceptable quality due to ridiculous amount of noise. mind that 20 MP is the pixel count of professional full frame cameras like Canon 5d mk2. on FF the count adds some quality, on microscopic phone sensors it just adds noise (not to mention that to have a lens that can benefit from 20MP you would have to spend several times more than the cost of xperia z1). limiting photo size to 8mp allows some better noise handling, as data from several pixels can be averaged.
Watch video below
The focus when close or macro is perfect with all smartphones (standard, Zenfone 2, Nexus 5, Nexus 6, ...) but with the Z3 Compact... look :
VIDEO:
drive.google.com/file/d/0B_nG40-uFJh7NUk0WTlMWTBjcVU/view?usp=sharing
Am I alone with this issue ?
Is it normal ?
Software or hardware ?
Can you try and tell me?
Thanks
I do not have any issues with close up or macro photos, they work perfectly fine, in fact, i find it working better then on any iphone or samsung ive tried so far...
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I do not have any issues with close up or macro photos, they work perfectly fine, in fact, i find it working better then on any iphone or samsung ive tried so far...
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Really???
Can you post a close macro sample of a key on your keyboard please. Like in my video.
Thanks
you cannot have the lens has close, but with the amount of details you'll still have a better macro than the older camera
this is because of the f2.2 lens
the z3 tends to indeed take better macro shots than the competition (yay! one thing the camera does sort of decent).. but yeah you cant stick the camera too close like you would with another phone. i know, it feels "unnatural" but try 1 more centimer away and compare the resulting picture instead
quick demo:
lens too close: https://lh6.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAOJA/qfnJKKFHX6Q/w1525-h858-no/DSC_1097.JPG
lens 1 cm away: https://lh4.googleusercontent.com/-...AAAOJQ/3eElMevMZ3g/w1525-h858-no/DSC_1098.JPG
/me goes clean this keyboard now
Thanks man, your pictures have the same "problem" of mine. So it's not a problem with my Z3C but it's normal for all models.
But I am a little sad about that because YES the pictures are good but when I see the PERFECT focus at 2cm with a 200$ phone... and my Z3C completly blur at the same distance... I don't understand.
I'm not here for know if the Z3C is a good phone or not... but only for know if when you watch my video (1sr post) and ou try to take the same picture thad me in the video, you have the same blur result ?
But anyway I saw your sample and you have same pictures than me. Thanks for help and taking pictures for me man
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Look! That AWESOME focus of my chinese basic phone vs. Z3 Compact at the SAME distance :'(
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If someone can try the same with money at the same distance and post result, THANK YOU VERY MUCH!
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you cant at same distance, other phone prolly has a f2.0 lens
since its higher mp it doesnt matter if u go back a centimer tho
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you cant at same distance, other phone prolly has a f2.0 lens
since its higher mp it doesnt matter if u go back a centimer tho
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So when you see my two pictures, the difference, you have (and all Z3C) the same thing ?
Nobody can with Z3C take a picture of money at the same distance than me in my sample?
other phone prolly has a f2.0 lens ? So the Z3C doesn't ?
Z3 has a f2.2 Lens
And nope cant take picture that close but if i take it further away and zoom it looks the same
I can take that pic on my z1c (f2.0 lens) hehe
Thank you
Lets see what this excellent compact has to offer photo wise.
Please share your photos taken and settings used, and if altered after.
Quick photo at work, Superior Auto 23mp, no edits.:
One I took last night and a bunch I took this morning on a trip to the allotment. All auto mode, a couple using digital zoom (which seems pretty good on the Z5c):
https://goo.gl/photos/wD8KWu9QyJsc3p4J6
(Note that these aren't full size - they are from the "free" version of Google Photos). Focus is fast and accurate and definitely seems to offer a more pleasing result than my Z3c did in auto mode. The daytime shots were shot in overcast conditions (i.e. normal UK weather!)
A few close up's I took just now when the sun came out!
23mp superior auto, unedited..
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Can anyone confirm this for me, in full 23MP manual mode, is the ISO set to auto and cannot be selected? Also are the SCN modes still limited to 8MP? thanks
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Can anyone confirm this for me, in full 23MP manual mode, is the ISO set to auto and cannot be selected? Also are the SCN modes still limited to 8MP? thanks
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23mp = ISO locked
SCN modes still limited to 8mp yes.
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Can anyone confirm this for me, in full 23MP manual mode, is the ISO set to auto and cannot be selected? Also are the SCN modes still limited to 8MP? thanks
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Yes, all reviews on net said SCN can now shoot at 23MP but I think SCN still got ISO locked that's how SCN works. In manual, you surely can pick any ISO you want(I can even do that on my Z1c).
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5-review-1293p5.php
he 8MP limit when using Superior Auto is gone and you can now shoot full resolution 23MP images
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Yes, all reviews on net said SCN can now shoot at 23MP but I think SCN still got ISO locked that's how SCN works. In manual, you surely can pick any ISO you want(I can even do that on my Z1c).
http://www.gsmarena.com/sony_xperia_z5-review-1293p5.php
he 8MP limit when using Superior Auto is gone and you can now shoot full resolution 23MP images
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What reviews show that SCN can go up to 23MP? Show me, because even in one of Sony's videos, in order to go to SCN mode, you have to select manual mode, 8MP and then SCN, check the video below.
https://youtu.be/eO-0HuXqgFU?t=250
As for ISO and full 23MP, it seems liked like Jiyeon90 said and from this preview/review
http://twentyfirsttech.com/2015/09/24/sony-xperia-z5-first-impressions/
Now, Sony forces you to limit your resolution to 8 MP if you want to manually set the ISO, denying you the ability to take advantage of the full 23 MP or even 20 MP the camera can use. With Sony’s perennial issues with the automatic camera algorithm (which has not even been rectified), you now get photos with truckloads of noise when you select a resolution above 8 MP as you’re forced to use Auto ISO.
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So clearly no, 23MP manual mode does not have selectable ISO, it is locked to auto, if you want custom ISO, you need to use 8MP.
There's supposed to be a camera app overhaul by the end of the year, right?
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November is what was written in the sony video at the bottom of the screen. Not holding my breath that this will bring manual settings support like ISO at 23mp or even shutter speed.
More from today when sun came out..
23mp superior auto unedited
ascariss said:
What reviews show that SCN can go up to 23MP? Show me, because even in one of Sony's videos, in order to go to SCN mode, you have to select manual mode, 8MP and then SCN, check the video below.
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oh, you are right. 23MP only auto ISO in manual and SCN still limited to 8MP and only unlocked 23MP for SA mode. And the low light performance even worse than Z2 ... Though I real like the instant focus of Z5c but it really driven me back from my next phone planning bcoz this baby is freaky expensive and seems not worth of it now.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-xperia-camera-unlocked-t3071161
But I think you guys could ask for zezadas to do a cam mod later since we already got 20MP SCN now on Z1/Z2/Z3 with root and even manual shutter speed up to 1s.
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More from today when sun came out..
23mp superior auto unedited
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Any chance you could upload your photos somewhere with the full size? Attached thumbnails never give a proper impression of the a photo.
If you click the thumbnails you'll get a big popup image (you can right click and open in a new window or download the original image).
Here's an 8MP image (auto), slightly more challenging conditions as a mix of bright and dark in the sky - you can see a bit of lens flare.
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Any chance you could upload your photos somewhere with the full size? Attached thumbnails never give a proper impression of the a photo.
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First time I have hared photos (full size) from Google photos, hope they work..
https://goo.gl/photos/7b1uSbEPN28bKADt6
https://goo.gl/photos/bQixmxtXopxL1gzo9
https://goo.gl/photos/NX8UAsAP45uiR5zT7
https://goo.gl/photos/bMqK7TEXTQuxqp8dA
https://goo.gl/photos/74nDsJsTbsUKTcdQ6
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First time I have hared photos (full size) from Google photos, hope they work..
https://goo.gl/photos/7b1uSbEPN28bKADt6
https://goo.gl/photos/bQixmxtXopxL1gzo9
https://goo.gl/photos/NX8UAsAP45uiR5zT7
https://goo.gl/photos/bMqK7TEXTQuxqp8dA
https://goo.gl/photos/74nDsJsTbsUKTcdQ6
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Yep, you also have the blurry left area (top left then bottlenecks through the left edge then gets more blurry on the bottom left corner).
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Yep, you also have the blurry left area (top left then bottlenecks through the left edge then gets more blurry on the bottom left corner).
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What would be a good photo test to show this left blur issue?
I did try to take a photo of a a4 text sheet and it seemed OK?
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Here is a photo of a flyer, I don't see any left edge blurring?
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What would be a good photo test to show this left blur issue?
I did try to take a photo of a a4 text sheet and it seemed OK?
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Try a brick wall on a bright day.
milesg said:
If you click the thumbnails you'll get a big popup image (you can right click and open in a new window or download the original image).
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The full size image on the forums is not the full size original when I click view full image
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First time I have hared photos (full size) from Google photos, hope they work..
https://goo.gl/photos/7b1uSbEPN28bKADt6
https://goo.gl/photos/bQixmxtXopxL1gzo9
https://goo.gl/photos/NX8UAsAP45uiR5zT7
https://goo.gl/photos/bMqK7TEXTQuxqp8dA
https://goo.gl/photos/74nDsJsTbsUKTcdQ6
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Appreciated very much. There is still some fine noise in the photos but it is not as horrible as in the samples in the pre production units. The blurriness on the left is evident in some photos indeed.
The thesebastian in the other camera thread made a good suggestion, turn the phone 180 and take a photo to see if the blurriness moves to the right or stays on the left. If moves to the right, it might be hardware, if not, perhaps software.
http://www.gsmarena.com/iphone_6s_galaxy_s6_xperia_z5-review-1329p2.php
Xperia Z5 took top honors, and the ranking look more like the Dxomark ranking
I honestly dunno how the Z5 managed to win. The whole contest was stacked against it. I didn't have to look at the pics to know that it wasn't gonna do well using the 23 MP mode in low light (gah!).
But the worst part was the flower pic on the balcony. The Z5's FOV was so large, it detected it as a low light outdoor scene, rather than a photo of flowers. How can they run a "blind" test when the pics are so different that one camera will detect it as a different scene?!?
Based on the GSMArena and Android Authority (not-so-)blind tests, I still don't have a clear understanding when SA will act flaky. I don't believe it's a lack of OIS because if it were, the 6S would have suffer from the same problem. Bad focusing algorithm under certain conditions? Not correctly detecting landscape scenes with close objects?
@joe_dude, SA has received some interesting changes - it's too shy to use high ISO now lol
Check out these two, not my best efforts as I had to shoot with both hands
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22325128049/in/album-72157659529471088/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889222884/in/album-72157659529471088/
Now that it's too shy to go for high ISO, let's take a took at these three. One of my goals was to capture that logo (please excuse the mess) that no other phone could do it for me so far
Z3+ detected this as low-light, shot at ISO 4000 & got its job done without breaking any sweat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889541194/in/album-72157659529471088/
So I pulled out Z5, SA detected some motion & selected 'night scene' & gave me this!!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22324812888/in/datetaken/
By then SA figured out things have stabilized, a tripod sign showed up right below the 'night scene' icon & I got this
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22499088172/in/datetaken/
Finally, I realized that the sucker was set to 20mp (I'd never use that for indoor/evening/night or even day shots). Anyways, Z5's key strength is color & you can't rush in SA mode. Stabilize your hands & wait for that tripod to show up & then shoot if you want to use that night scene selected by SA.
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@joe_dude, SA has received some interesting changes - it's too shy to use high ISO now lol
Check out these two, not my best efforts as I had to shoot with both hands
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22325128049/in/album-72157659529471088/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889222884/in/album-72157659529471088/
Now that it's too shy to go for high ISO, let's take a took at these three. One of my goals was to capture that logo (please excuse the mess) that no other phone could do it for me so far
Z3+ detected this as low-light, shot at ISO 4000 & got its job done without breaking any sweat.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21889541194/in/album-72157659529471088/
So I pulled out Z5, SA detected some motion & selected 'night scene' & gave me this!!
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22324812888/in/datetaken/
By then SA figured out things have stabilized, a tripod sign showed up right below the 'night scene' icon & I got this
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22499088172/in/datetaken/
Finally, I realized that the sucker was set to 20mp (I'd never use that for indoor/evening/night or even day shots). Anyways, Z5's key strength is color & you can't rush in SA mode. Stabilize your hands & wait for that tripod to show up & then shoot if you want to use that night scene selected by SA.
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Thanks a lot! After looking at your pics, I also went back to Tim's 20 MP vs. 8 MP comparison pics.
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/22126137922/in/photostream/
https://www.flickr.com/photos/[email protected]/21515893794/in/photostream/
If you look at the EXIF info, they both used the same shutter speed, but the 8 MP used a higher ISO. Better exposure and less noise, so 8 MP mode is better for low light, as Tim has shown. Tim also waited for the tripod symbol for his 20 MP night shots.
So my question is this: Does the tripod symbol show up for non-night scenes? Like in moderate to bright light? It seems to me the Z5 has two AF modes - fast vs. slow AF. Fast AF is super fast, but only good for capturing a specific subject (and tends to blur the background). Slow AF does full scene analysis and takes longer. It would explain why people are getting such wildly varying results with the Z5.
Anyone wanna test and see? Please?
I don't remember seeing tripod symbol in any non-night mode. Tim's 20mp was done in tripod night mode? The ISO seems a bit high though (ET also seems smaller). It looks more like a regular night mode. But I could be wrong. Tripod mode basically drops ISO, increases ET even more (the max I have seen so far is 1/1 s) compared to 'regular' night scene as you could see from my last two EXIFs . I'd have to do a 20mp vs 8mp comparison soon. Z5's SA is quite different than the SA we had on previous Xperias!
Edit: I forgot about the brightness slider in new SA mode. It lets you control the ISO - well, indirectly.
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I don't remember seeing tripod symbol in any non-night mode. Tim's 20mp was done in tripod night mode? The ISO seems a bit high though (ET also seems smaller). It looks more like a regular night mode. But I could be wrong. Tripod mode basically drops ISO, increases ET even more (the max I have seen so far is 1/1 s) compared to 'regular' night scene as you could see from my last two EXIFs . I'd have to do a 20mp vs 8mp comparison soon. Z5's SA is quite different than the SA we had on previous Xperias!
Edit: I forgot about the brightness slider in new SA mode. It lets you control the ISO - well, indirectly.
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Sorry, you're right. There's is only one pic in Tim's collection that activated tripod mode (in 8 MP SA) I believe, and it had an exposure time of 0.8 sec. From the various pics I've seen, it seems the limit for SA is 1/8 sec without the tripod icon. I hope Tim's reading this. Something new to play with! :victory:
Still not sure why some pics from various reviews have AF problems in moderate to good lighting. Are there any extra icons that pop up after a short time when it gets a solid "lock" on a scene?
Edit: Wait a minute... is there a landscape icon that pops up in SA during scenery shots?
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Sorry, you're right. There's is only one pic in Tim's collection that activated tripod mode (in 8 MP SA) I believe, and it had an exposure time of 0.8 sec. From the various pics I've seen, it seems the limit for SA is 1/8 sec without the tripod icon. I hope Tim's reading this. Something new to play with! :victory:
Still not sure why some pics from various reviews have AF problems in moderate to good lighting. Are there any extra icons that pop up after a short time when it gets a solid "lock" on a scene?
Edit: Wait a minute... is there a landscape icon that pops up in SA during scenery shots?
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Only extra icon beside the tripod (mutually exclusive) is a runner icon. It basically means SA is 'busy' trying to find out a suitable scene mode. So if it's not there, I think we got the 'lock' lol
SA Landscape mode has some icon (same as the one you'd get from manual -> scene -> landscape) , but it rarely shows up lol Actually I haven't seen any icon at all
while taking most of the daylight shots. I think SA doesn't want to tell you much proly because it feels confident in those cases lol
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Only extra icon beside the tripod (mutually exclusive) is a runner icon. It basically means SA is 'busy' trying to find out a suitable scene mode. So if it's not there, I think we got the 'lock' lol
SA Landscape mode has some icon (same as the one you'd get from manual -> scene -> landscape) , but it rarely shows up lol Actually I haven't seen any icon at all
while taking most of the daylight shots. I think SA doesn't want to tell you much proly because it feels confident in those cases lol
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Hmmm... those are the same icons as on my Z Ultra. The runner means it detects movement, I believe. It takes a few seconds to go into night mode, and tripod icon needs something to brace against to appear. So how quickly/easily does the night mode and tripod icon appear?
:silly:
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Hmmm... those are the same icons as on my Z Ultra. The runner means it detects movement, I believe. It takes a few seconds to go into night mode, and tripod icon needs something to brace against to appear. So how quickly/easily does the night mode and tripod icon appear?
:silly:
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Man, ZU & Camera. It's my favorite Xperia though. It was also the phone that forced me explore manual mode
I think there is another runner icon (without two white bars) that appears during the mode selection. I think it means 'busy' ? On Z2, I mostly get 'only tripod' SA mode. The one I was talking about is NS + tripod (or low-light + tripod). I don't think you'll get it right after opening the camera (proly because of the mandatory initial movement). It's not that hard to get it right before the next shot though - around 1 second or less. I do apply mild downward force from both index fingers & upward one from left thumb. My hands are not super steady, so I think anyone can do it after few trials. But remember the longer ET, so I think tripod may backfire at times hehe
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Man, ZU & Camera. It's my favorite Xperia though. It was also the phone that forced me explore manual mode
I think there is another runner icon (without two white bars) that appears during the mode selection. I think it means 'busy' ? On Z2, I mostly get 'only tripod' SA mode. The one I was talking about is NS + tripod (or low-light + tripod). I don't think you'll get it right after opening the camera (proly because of the mandatory initial movement). It's not that hard to get it right before the next shot though - around 1 second or less. I do apply mild downward force from both index fingers & upward one from left thumb. My hands are not super steady, so I think anyone can do it after few trials. But remember the longer ET, so I think tripod may backfire at times hehe
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Yeah, I think the ZU was the best phone of all time (when it came out). On light use, I've gotten 4 to 5 days out of it on a single charge. And Kitkat 4.4 and Lollipop 5.1.1 have been rock solid. If there were a Z5 Ultra (or Z6 Ultra), I'd get it in a heartbeat.
Anyway, I should be able to do some testing with the Z5 and a G4 shortly (yea!), but I don't have a lot of free time, so I'm gonna try to grab a bunch of shots and analyze them later. Oh well, RL comes first.
Hope to see the update which will bring proper software to the table, Specially low light performances. Cause sensor is really good yet the software, specially SA doesn't do a great job.
P.S: I really hope one of these great Dev come up with an idea to use the camera beyond Sony could expect it so they can hire him or just use that software.
Like this one. Never tested but thought of giving it a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-xperia-camera-unlocked-t3071161
chesterr said:
Hope to see the update which will bring proper software to the table, Specially low light performances. Cause sensor is really good yet the software, specially SA doesn't do a great job.
P.S: I really hope one of these great Dev come up with an idea to use the camera beyond Sony could expect it so they can hire him or just use that software.
Like this one. Never tested but thought of giving it a shot.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/crossdevice-dev/sony-themes-apps/mod-xperia-camera-unlocked-t3071161
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Yeah, a fully unlocked camera would be really cool. Well, for us geeks anyway. I think Sony's simplified manual modes are still not simple enough for the average consumer. But that's a problem with the average consumer, not the phone. xD
As for low light performance, let's see how it does in comparisons using the default 8 MP SA. Even if the tests don't adjust for its 24mm lens, I think it'll do a lot better than in 23 MP mode.
If things go well I might have my Z5 next week.
And do some proper testing with Z5 and Z2 which I know really well since I have it for over 1,5 years.
I should do a proper comparison. All the questions will be answered.
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I honestly dunno how the Z5 managed to win. The whole contest was stacked against it. I didn't have to look at the pics to know that it wasn't gonna do well using the 23 MP mode in low light (gah!).
But the worst part was the flower pic on the balcony. The Z5's FOV was so large, it detected it as a low light outdoor scene, rather than a photo of flowers. How can they run a "blind" test when the pics are so different that one camera will detect it as a different scene?!?
Based on the GSMArena and Android Authority (not-so-)blind tests, I still don't have a clear understanding when SA will act flaky. I don't believe it's a lack of OIS because if it were, the 6S would have suffer from the same problem. Bad focusing algorithm under certain conditions? Not correctly detecting landscape scenes with close objects?
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Please read the whole review clearly. The flower test was going to test the flash system not other things, S6 LED flash is very well designed confirmed by all other reviews. In reality, 99% of smartphone users are using Auto so they just let all shot with Auto which is a reasonable testing method though I understand it is unbelievable to some xda members here.
There's no review against Sony I've seen on net regarding the question of fov because we are testing the whole camera module now, not solely the sensor raw performance, or else we'll also need to take out the OIS on S6 bcoz it's unfair to Z5. The fov on Z5 is wider but it also got many more pixel counts while S6 got a smaller fov with 16MP and the same happened on 6S as well, it is a fair race.
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Please read the whole review clearly. The flower test was going to test the flash system not other things, S6 LED flash is very well designed confirmed by all other reviews. In reality, 99% of smartphone users are using Auto so they just let all shot with Auto which is a reasonable testing method though I understand it is unbelievable to some xda members here.
There's no review against Sony I've seen on net regarding the question of fov because we are testing the whole camera module now, not solely the sensor raw performance, or else we'll also need to take out the OIS on S6 bcoz it's unfair to Z5. The fov on Z5 is wider but it also got many more pixel counts while S6 got a smaller fov with 16MP and the same happened on 6S as well, it is a fair race.
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There is lots of incompentence in reviews regarding the camera. He is right regarding FOV as that affects how the camera measures what is in focus. Due to the wider FOV of the Z5 it put focus on the background which took up more sensor space than the flowers. This resulted in upping ISO to combat dark environment. Also becouse the Z5 has wider FOV the photos has to be taken a bit closer else they need to zoom in the Z5 photo (disadvantage for Z5) and something several tests do and it is not professional.
Look at this, this is photos from a comparision at Phonearena which provided unmodified full resolution photos of all cameras. I have downscaled the 23MP Z5 image to 16MP to be same as G4 and S6 and also changed the aspect ratio. You can clearly se the concept of how wider FOV provides unfair advantage to competition but with same aspect and same MP size you can see the Z5 races well against the G4 and S6 unlike what the OP of this thread showed which was the zoomed in Z5 vs the competitions non zoomed in view. That's why most reviews and comparisions with the Z1+ range phones gives the competition an unfair advantage which doesn't translate to real world detail as you downscale the image for given media you use or just as is.
First photo is Z5 (1/64 ISO 80), second S6 (1/33 ISO 80) and third G4 (1/30 ISO 100). I wonder though why the Z5 didn't choose shutter speed of around 1/30 to get a more lit up capture.. Guess they need to iron that out with updates or some kind of anti shaking mechanism kicked in making shutter faster.
EQ2000 said:
There is lots of incompentence in reviews regarding the camera. He is right regarding FOV as that affects how the camera measures what is in focus. Due to the wider FOV of the Z5 it put focus on the background which took up more sensor space than the flowers. This resulted in upping ISO to combat dark environment. Also becouse the Z5 has wider FOV the photos has to be taken a bit closer else they need to zoom in the Z5 photo (disadvantage for Z5) and something several tests do and it is not professional.
Look at this, this is photos from a comparision at Phonearena which provided unmodified full resolution photos of all cameras. I have downscaled the 23MP Z5 image to 16MP to be same as G4 and S6 and also changed the aspect ratio. You can clearly se the concept of how wider FOV provides unfair advantage to competition but with same aspect and same MP size you can see the Z5 races well against the G4 and S6 unlike what the OP of this thread showed which was the zoomed in Z5 vs the competitions non zoomed in view. That's why most reviews and comparisions with the Z1+ range phones gives the competition an unfair advantage which doesn't translate to real world detail as you downscale the image for given media you use or just as is.
First photo is Z5 (1/64 ISO 80), second S6 (1/33 ISO 80) and third G4 (1/30 ISO 100). I wonder though why the Z5 didn't choose shutter speed of around 1/30 to get a more lit up capture.. Guess they need to iron that out with updates or some kind of anti shaking mechanism kicked in making shutter faster.
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I gonna repeat it again. The S6 flash system is excellent so it is actually the S6 flashed the object beautifully(6S also performed correctly just not as nice as S6). On the other hand, though I don't deny the wider fov might be a bit affected to the detecting of environment but from the flash lighting it spreading out, it is clearly the flash system on Z5 doesn't come close to S6.
Though the Z5 got wider fov but it also got more pixels plus bigger sensor size to fullfill the wider scene so you can't just said that they are all not fair to Sony. If you put it in this way, it would be unfair to Samsung or Apple turned out this time.
Reviewers(and customers) are only interested to test the whole camera module because it is a final product. They are not engineers to test individual parts and theirs raw performance.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/11/02/samsung-in-talks-with-sony-for-new-galaxy-s7-camera-sensor/
It is funny how Samsung is now trying to deal with Sony to put the Z5 sensor(IMX300) on the upcoming S7.
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I gonna repeat it again. The S6 flash system is excellent so it is actually the S6 flashed the object beautifully(6S also performed correctly just not as nice as S6). On the other hand, though I don't deny the wider fov might be a bit affected to the detecting of environment but from the flash lighting it spreading out, it is clearly the flash system on Z5 doesn't come close to S6.
Though the Z5 got wider fov but it also got more pixels plus bigger sensor size to fullfill the wider scene so you can't just said that they are all not fair to Sony. If you put it in this way, it would be unfair to Samsung or Apple turned out this time.
Reviewers(and customers) are only interested to test the whole camera module because it is a final product. They are not engineers to test individual parts and theirs raw performance.
http://www.sammobile.com/2015/11/02/samsung-in-talks-with-sony-for-new-galaxy-s7-camera-sensor/
It is funny how Samsung is now trying to deal with Sony to put the Z5 sensor(IMX300) on the upcoming S7.
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Yeah, I just read that too. It'll be interesting to see if Sony gives Samsung the new sensor, and what Samsung can do with it.
In any case, the Z5's flash is rated better by DXOMark than the S6. So it was obvious that the GSMArena's flowers flash test had some kind of problem. I mean just look at the pic - the Z5's pic was mostly of the night sky, while the S6 and 6S were mainly on the flowers. Because they didn't consider the FOV and framed the shot incorrectly, the Z5 detected it as a night scenery pic with flash fill, not a flash pic of flowers. There are examples from other reviews that show the Z5's flash working well and as expected.
Reviewers are expected to understand and be knowledgeable about the product they are reviewing. Would you ever buy a car magazine where the reviewers don't know what kind of engine is in the car, or how much gas it uses? Reviews that give false, misleading and/or incomplete information are bad for everyone.
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First photo is Z5 (1/64 ISO 80), second S6 (1/33 ISO 80) and third G4 (1/30 ISO 100). I wonder though why the Z5 didn't choose shutter speed of around 1/30 to get a more lit up capture.. Guess they need to iron that out with updates or some kind of anti shaking mechanism kicked in making shutter faster.
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The ISO part, I can answer, since I've tested it. SA uses face detection (or moving objects) to prevent motion blur. Whenever the "people" icon appears on screen, the ISO and/or shutter speed goes up. I dunno if Sony really needs to do that, but I guess sometimes a usable shot is better than a blurred shot...? SA constantly fiddles with the exposure time, depending on the objects/movements it detects. So far, I haven't gotten pics with bad lighting though. Maybe it was fixed in the latest firmware?
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The ISO part, I can answer, since I've tested it. SA uses face detection (or moving objects) to prevent motion blur. Whenever the "people" icon appears on screen, the ISO and/or shutter speed goes up. I dunno if Sony really needs to do that, but I guess sometimes a usable shot is better than a blurred shot...? SA constantly fiddles with the exposure time, depending on the objects/movements it detects. So far, I haven't gotten pics with bad lighting though. Maybe it was fixed in the latest firmware?
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Ah that explains it and no I dont believe they need to as it seems way to aggressive. Also this would mean the photo was taken in SA 23MP mode. In such conditions manual would be far better.
Have you gotten around testing the FV-5 app? I get 'Night Mode' equivalent with it at 21MP which makes for great low light 'high detail' photos. Works great and it handles the shutter speed and ISO in a good balanced way. This sample is 21MP, 0,77, ISO 250 at night on the Z1 with FV-5 "Long" mode holding it fairly stable with my hands and elbows on the table.
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Yeah, I just read that too. It'll be interesting to see if Sony gives Samsung the new sensor, and what Samsung can do with it.
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I'm going to buy Z5c today(not sure, but most probably, if I could find a cheaper one for sales) and let me see how well the camera. Actually, I think it is worthless to discuss the camera before any big updates.
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Ah that explains it and no I dont believe they need to as it seems way to aggressive. Also this would mean the photo was taken in SA 23MP mode. In such conditions manual would be far better.
Have you gotten around testing the FV-5 app? I get 'Night Mode' equivalent with it at 21MP which makes for great low light 'high detail' photos. Works great and it handles the shutter speed and ISO in a good balanced way. This sample is 21MP, 0,77, ISO 250 at night on the Z1 with FV-5 "Long" mode holding it fairly stable with my hands and elbows on the table.
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No, I'm still playing with SA. As much as I want to fiddle with the camera, I'm gonna have to cut the experimenting short to get back to other RL things. Sigh. But thanks for the suggestion... I'll keep in mind!
FYI, I did more analysis on the IFA photo you had posted. Believe it or not, I think the Z5 was correct with the exposure. Look closely at the pics - in the other two pics, the model was over-exposed. In the Z5 pic, she had a nicely balanced colour and brightness. The other phones did not do face detection, so measured the exposure based on the entire frame, and not on the model. Since the pic was primarily of the model, the Z5 took the picture as it had been intended.
This is part of the problem - we assume if the Z5's pic looks different, it is "incorrect". I'm starting to understand SA tries to do a lot, although sometimes it will guess incorrectly. But I think Sony needs to tweak SA to work better/more consistently.
Hey Folks
I just wanted to share this with everyone...
I'm running OS. v. 4.101.. (Aug 2017)
I love this phone, its awesome, great Audio.. really fast, no stutter or lag.... 32Gb Internal w/SDCard, although I think the screen on the original XAU was a LITTLE brighter and more vivid..
Like some folk here.. I started out having Camera Shake / Blurry Images when taking a shot in Manual Mode and Ive been having the same red, purple noisy tint in very Low Light in Manual Mode that some have also posted about, but it can be a struggle to take steady shots in Manual Mode in daylight as well.. However, thanks to the Newer updated imaging algorithm found in the XZ1 and XZP which from what Ive read, SONY have used in our XA1U... it functions really great in Auto Mode, so SONY phones can now be used as great Point and Shoots.. and we no longer have to struggle anymore with ISO 50 or 100, WB and Metering.
But in Manual Mode, Ive found that by permanently keeping the camera at 12MPX (both Auto and Manual Modes)... gives great steadier shots... 20 and 23MPx modes, for me, give Blurred and poor image quality, kinda like camera shake. .. But as everyone knows MPx don't mean squat in "true" photography, only on YouTube and less MPx means less processing, so steadier image. Used to be the same in the older "Z" series where 8MPx was the magic number..
Also, in Manual Mode.. goto settings and set the Metering to "Centre" weighted, so your light metre is set to your point of focus and when you half-press the shutter to focus.. don't hold the focus for too long as it can shift, like most cameras will.
Give it a try and Lets know if it works for you.
Thanks for the suggestion. While I didn’t change all the settings you recommended, simply bumping the resolution down to 12 megapixels has improved many things, including shutter lag and processing speed. I noticed when using manual, taking photos from a moving car resulted in unusable images with ghosting or extreme shutter lag. It was very frustrating for a while there. 12 mp is slightly less sharp but also less noisy... I can live with it.
I’ve been a Sony Xperia user for a while now and I’ve always had mixed feelings about their smart phone Cameras. Megapixels are always high, with several innovative camera features and ‘firsts’, but image quality has never lived up to other brands.
I have taken amazing shots with these, but those are almost always outdoors and in sunlight.
The camera on results on the XA1 are essentially the same as I’ve gotten on all the Z series phones (Go figure, since it’s the Z5 camera sensor).
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Hey Folks
I just wanted to share this with everyone...
I'm running OS. v. 4.101.. (Aug 2017)
I love this phone, its awesome, great Audio.. really fast, no stutter or lag.... 32Gb Internal w/SDCard, although I think the screen on the original XAU was a LITTLE brighter and more vivid..
Like some folk here.. I started out having Camera Shake / Blurry Images when taking a shot in Manual Mode and Ive been having the same red, purple noisy tint in very Low Light in Manual Mode that some have also posted about, but it can be a struggle to take steady shots in Manual Mode in daylight as well.. However, thanks to the Newer updated imaging algorithm found in the XZ1 and XZP which from what Ive read, SONY have used in our XA1U... it functions really great in Auto Mode, so SONY phones can now be used as great Point and Shoots.. and we no longer have to struggle anymore with ISO 50 or 100, WB and Metering.
But in Manual Mode, Ive found that by permanently keeping the camera at 12MPX (both Auto and Manual Modes)... gives great steadier shots... 20 and 23MPx modes, for me, give Blurred and poor image quality, kinda like camera shake. .. But as everyone knows MPx don't mean squat in "true" photography, only on YouTube and less MPx means less processing, so steadier image. Used to be the same in the older "Z" series where 8MPx was the magic number..
Also, in Manual Mode.. goto settings and set the Metering to "Centre" weighted, so your light metre is set to your point of focus and when you half-press the shutter to focus.. don't hold the focus for too long as it can shift, like most cameras will.
Give it a try and Lets know if it works for you.
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Thanks for this, I definitely see some improvements as you mentioned yourself...
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