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Right I know it's too early to guess regarding the development of the Z2, but I checked out the Z1 subforum, and I'm unimpressed to be honest.
The Z1 was released September 2013. The HTC M8 was released April this year. The M8 is fast approaching the number of threads/kernels/ROMS.
Why are the Sony devices being left behind? I'm still waiting for my Z2, but I have something in the back of mind telling me the M8 will excel with development and stay updated/refreshed longer.
Any thoughts?
I have an M8 and a Z1 - awaiting my preorder of the Z2.
I'm actually selling the m8 as I actually prefer the Z1 over it. For me I much prefer look and feel and to be fair the only thing that I feel I will miss will be the gestures etc. However I believe some of those will be on the Z2 so no biggie.
The other is the screen as the z1 is inferior in that dept. But most important for me the Z1 pisses all over the M8 camera everyday.
So for me development or not I'm happy with stock and the far superior camera (like I said that is very important to me).
Can't wait to get my Z2.
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This is something I am worried about too. Doesnt look like many developers / cooks are going for sony devices. M8 and S5 forums are already brimming with kernels / mods / roms (I know z2 is yet to be released worldwide) but there is only a very limited amount available even for z1.
Part fun of being in this community is the development. To be honest, I find it more interesting to follow a device that's an underdog from the beginning. I went and looked in the Z1 development part of XDA and I saw CM11 ,paranoidandroid... Thats enough for me by far. It will be fun to study how Z2 develops.
I have no fear, only joy.
This also bugs me a lot. I currently have HTC desire HD which came with 2.2. So far I have flashed 2.3 4.0.4 4.1 4.2 4.3 and 4.4. Till 4.1 I have flashed both sense and asop roms. Does Z2 will keep up like this?
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The good old Desire HD one of the best phones I've had. I'm still using a sensation at the moment because of the brilliant devs on this site.
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Lack of need for "development" was one of the reasons why I ordered a Z2.After four years of Samsung on my i9000 and i9300 and the need to root it to remove the bloat,wherafter "enjoying " the "development of CM / PA/ Slimrom etc ,and the frustration of the poor results of this development,
I decided to go for the best phone available atm because Sony stays very close to "stock "android the way I enjoy it on my N7.
Maybe from now on I can only enjoy this beautifull phone without ending up running around in circles as a "flash.a.holic" again.
For those who wish to persist in their "flashing" habits : good luck with it....
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The good old Desire HD one of the best phones I've had. I'm still using a sensation at the moment because of the brilliant devs on this site.
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Sony plan on releasing a new flagship every 6 months so they will quickly leave you behind in official updates, so really one would hope that they can benefit from ROMs.
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Lack of need for "development" was one of the reasons why I ordered a Z2.After four years of Samsung on my i9000 and i9300 and the need to root it to remove the bloat,wherafter "enjoying " the "development of CM / PA/ Slimrom etc ,and the frustration of the poor results of this development,
I decided to go for the best phone available atm because Sony stays very close to "stock "android the way I enjoy it on my N7.
Maybe from now on I can only enjoy this beautifull phone without ending up running around in circles as a "flash.a.holic" again.
For those who wish to persist in their "flashing" habits : good luck with it....
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Meant to quote you in post above
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Samsung S3 ownwers are left behind on 4.3,their choice : stay on 4.3 or use any of the CM/PA/Slimrom 4.4.2 Roms.
This leads to a phone with the latest android version,the price you have to pay for it: camera malfunction,bluetooth sound stutters and sound issues for heavy gamers are only a few of the problems.I went up and down between 4.3 and 4.4.2 many times and learned my lesson ;better stay on the version thats working properly ( Samsungs Rom )
Sony updates all Z phones to Kitkat in may,so even with a Z of one year old you are not left behind.
Even if Sony leaves me behind at any time in future I will remember the lessons learned....
I'll release an early cm build next week if all goes well
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brouwerchris said:
Samsung S3 ownwers are left behind on 4.3,their choice : stay on 4.3 or use any of the CM/PA/Slimrom 4.4.2 Roms.
This leads to a phone with the latest android version,the price you have to pay for it: camera malfunction,bluetooth sound stutters and sound issues for heavy gamers are only a few of the problems.I went up and down between 4.3 and 4.4.2 many times and learned my lesson ;better stay on the version thats working properly ( Samsungs Rom )
Sony updates all Z phones to Kitkat in may,so even with a Z of one year old you are not left behind.
Even if Sony leaves me behind at any time in future I will remember the lessons learned....
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Samsung S3 has the exynos chipset, that makes it harder to develop for, but the kitkat roms on there aren't as buggy as you say, they will most likely be stable by the time Sony finally rolls out their kitkat update to the Z (possibly it's last update ever knowing Sony). I personally hate the idea of buying a Smartphone and in a year it feels ancient and like a thing from the past, I am not rich enough to update my phone so often and most contracts are lasting 2 years. The aftercare you get from Sony is too poor for me personally
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I'll release an early cm build next week if all goes well
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Any idea of rooting this phone with locked bootloader? so we all can happily back up the TA partition.
While we're on the subject, is there a guide I can read explaining this Sony stuff? Mainly regarding the root process/DRM keys etc etc?
I'm new to Sony
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While we're on the subject, is there a guide I can read explaining this Sony stuff? Mainly regarding the root process/DRM keys etc etc?
I'm new to Sony
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This is all about DRM/TA partition.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=2292598
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I'll release an early cm build next week if all goes well
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@krabappel2548: Might be too early to ask you this question, but doesn't do any harm to ask I guess.
I really can't wait to replace the stock ROM with CM, but on the other hand I wouldn't want to loose functionality that is ROM specific, most importantly camera functions. As far as I understand it is not possible to install the Sony stock camera in another ROM because it comes with a whole framework (which I guess can't be ported?!). In addition to that I'm under the impression that previous versions of the xperia Z shot better pictures in low light with the stock ROM.
Do you know if we're gonna loose the camera app and it's features or is it possible to port it over to CM?
If you could shed some light onto this issue, I would appreciate that.
Hopefully there'll be GP edition of this!
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@krabappel2548: Might be too early to ask you this question, but doesn't do any harm to ask I guess.
I really can't wait to replace the stock ROM with CM, but on the other hand I wouldn't want to loose functionality that is ROM specific, most importantly camera functions. As far as I understand it is not possible to install the Sony stock camera in another ROM because it comes with a whole framework (which I guess can't be ported?!). In addition to that I'm under the impression that previous versions of the xperia Z shot better pictures in low light with the stock ROM.
Do you know if we're gonna loose the camera app and it's features or is it possible to port it over to CM?
If you could shed some light onto this issue, I would appreciate that.
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No, stock camera app won't work on cm, but you can always use 3rd party apps
I'm almost finished with device tree for Z2
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No, stock camera app won't work on cm, but you can always use 3rd party apps
I'm almost finished with device tree for Z2
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Well, it seems like the Sony camera is way better than any 3rd party camera out there, that's why I asked. I'll open up a new thread and see where that takes us.
btw. do you think we will be able to backup the TA partition on the Z2? I still haven't rooted my device
I think as Android improves with every iteration, OEMs are slowly learning that simple is good. The stock feature set on the Z2 is fantastic, as in the camera. Less and less people are going to be willing to sacrifice things like the native camera app when the perceived benefit of switching to a custom ROM diminishes.
Personally, the first thing I did when I got my Z2 was install Google Now Launcher for a vanilla Android look and feel, but I wouldn't even consider doing a build of my ROM for this phone at this point in time because the stock features are brilliant a they are.
I don't think lack of development is an indicator of an unsuccessful phone anymore, but rather the opposite.
HTC devices are inherently going to have a lot of development as long as they continue with Sense, because Sense is such a user polarizer.
I think the current state of the factory ROM after .55 update is quite stable with some small issues. I am content with the current ROM. It is snappy, no lag and smooth. No carton-ish icons or effects like the Samsung phones
Just like we were informed, version 23.0.1.A.0.167 is on its way...
Apparently, we'll get many Z3 features...
So...first leaked info was correct (about changing nr from 17 to 23... Lets wait and see will second info be correct.
Here's the link...
https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=24754
Almost a direct port from Z3 it one would think
I doubt but atleast it is 4.4.4 and not 4.4.2, i would even be happy with 4.4.3
good share, PTCRB has been my best freind since 2011
Only source I trust. It looks like huge changes are coming. Hopefully camera improvements from Z3 new image processing algorithm Sony implemented
Envious_Data said:
Almost a direct port from Z3 it one would think
I doubt but atleast it is 4.4.4 and not 4.4.2, i would even be happy with 4.4.3
good share, PTCRB has been my best freind since 2011
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As I said...there are XDA users who actually knows what they are talking about.
The guy who leaked this info is one of them
This will be 4.4.4 and Sony should surprise us all with a new ROM features...
Now, that's leaked info and maybe it's not correct but I'm 99% it'll be like that...
Lets wait few days (weeks) and we'll see...
Envious_Data said:
Almost a direct port from Z3 it one would think
I doubt but atleast it is 4.4.4 and not 4.4.2, i would even be happy with 4.4.3
good share, PTCRB has been my best freind since 2011
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YAY Well, I am happy if the new fw doesn't destroy the ""no bug"" reputation of the current fw.:silly:
There may be good and bad news from this update
Sony usualy are able to make things work after some time and what i mean by this is that there may be 0 quality loss from unlocking your bootloader because sony were able to already do this but the bad news is the fw/sw side may say otherwise
They cant do it with Z3 because the tech is so new
Also since its 4.4.3/above alot of bugs should have been fixed those of which including the focal precision issues and also the wifi stability issues and finaly not to include the loop process bug
What i expect: responsive, fast and a cleaner OS, less bugs realy
Envious_Data said:
There may be good and bad news from this update
Sony usualy are able to make things work after some time and what i mean by this is that there may be 0 quality loss from unlocking your bootloader because sony were able to already do this but the bad news is the fw/sw side may say otherwise
They cant do it with Z3 because the tech is so new
Also since its 4.4.3/above alot of bugs should have been fixed those of which including the focal precision issues and also the wifi stability issues and finaly not to include the loop process bug
What i expect: responsive, fast and a cleaner OS, less bugs realy
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However, the question as to whether unlocking bootloader will affect camera quality on Xperia devices has not been answered technically. (I am not referring to all those layman answers), So I am still optimistic.
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However, the question as to whether unlocking bootloader will affect camera quality on Xperia devices has not been answered technically. (I am not referring to all those layman answers), So I am still optimistic.
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Logicly no, it should not.
Simply due the fact Sony has the hardware for the camera sorted out with Z2
Im optomistic just because of this fact.
No app 2 sd
Hopefully it fixes my Google now issues
kamalmawa said:
Only source I trust. It looks like huge changes are coming. Hopefully camera improvements from Z3 new image processing algorithm Sony implemented
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Get those bootloaders locked
PS: I find the current Z2 camera's images too blurry. The image as it looks before taking the pic is MUCH crisper than after you press the button. And mine isn't even unlocked!!
chesterr said:
No app 2 sd
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You still need app2sd when you got 32gb internal? Z2 is a flagship device, SPEED is everything.
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You still need app2sd when you got 32gb internal? Z2 is a flagship device, SPEED is everything.
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Wow you got 32gb internal storage, lucky you. Are you sure you're using Z2?
I have had 4.4.4 for a while now..... #NexusLife #NexusLad
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I actually just swapped from a Nexus 5 to a Z2, couldn't be happier, nice to have a much better camera and not have to resort to mods to get everything just the way I like it. Although if Sony's UI wasn't so light I don't think I could adjust after running stock for so long ha ha, I will regret this decision when L is released, but I can always use my N5 for a little while
I have a question regarding the update, I am rooted, locked bootloader, completely stock FW however, I have Xposed installed and a few modules turned on. Could I get the update by uninstalling xposed before applying the update, or will root still stop the OTA? I'm only asking because this will be the first OTA I'll get with my new Z2 and the smoother it goes, the better.
Tom.
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I actually just swapped from a Nexus 5 to a Z2, couldn't be happier, nice to have a much better camera and not have to resort to mods to get everything just the way I like it. Although if Sony's UI wasn't so light I don't think I could adjust after running stock for so long ha ha, I will regret this decision when L is released, but I can always use my N5 for a little while
I have a question regarding the update, I am rooted, locked bootloader, completely stock FW however, I have Xposed installed and a few modules turned on. Could I get the update by uninstalling xposed before applying the update, or will root still stop the OTA? I'm only asking because this will be the first OTA I'll get with my new Z2 and the smoother it goes, the better.
Tom.
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AFAIK you can install OTA if you don't have custom recoveries installed. cause it gives you this signing issue thing.
what you can do is that when the update is released to your area download FTF file and create a pre-rooted update file using PRFCreator and install it manually.
Great news, we can expect this update? Besides bug fixed.
I hope this will fix my WiFi and Bluetooth issues. I haven't even been able to turn those on for days It would be so stupid having to send a phone that's only a month old for repair...
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I hope this will fix my WiFi and Bluetooth issues. I haven't even been able to turn those on for days It would be so stupid having to send a phone that's only a month old for repair...
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I hate to say it, but that sounds like a defective unit to me. I use the Bluetooth regularly for hours on end to connect to a Wireless HiFi on my desk and I have zero problems with it. Same for pairing to my G Watch and SmartBand. I had a similar issue with an HTC One X years ago, both the WiFI and Bluetooth were just super crappy, I sent it in for repair and never had the same problem again.
Tom.
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I hate to say it, but that sounds like a defective unit to me. I use the Bluetooth regularly for hours on end to connect to a Wireless HiFi on my desk and I have zero problems with it. Same for pairing to my G Watch and SmartBand. I had a similar issue with an HTC One X years ago, both the WiFI and Bluetooth were just super crappy, I sent it in for repair and never had the same problem again.
Tom.
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I know, it's probably just wishful thinking. But there are quite a lot of people who are having problems with the combination of WiFi and Bluetooth. Though the one proposed solution (flashing .55) I found didn't work for me at all.
Hey other Z1s owners, it looks like our Z1s got lollipop certification before the Z3 on T-Mobile (D6616)
Z1s T-Mobile https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=24176
Z3 T-Mobile https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=26399
LaosPerson said:
Hey other Z1s owners, it looks like our Z1s got lollipop certification before the Z3 on T-Mobile (D6616)
Z1s T-Mobile https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=24176
Z3 T-Mobile https://www.ptcrb.com/vendor/complete/view_complete_request_guest.cfm?modelid=26399
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In all fairness, though, how many times did a KitKat update get certified before it was finally released? (And then they pulled the one that got released for a bit...)
Quick addition - 14.5.B.xxx version number... the previously certified C6903 update was 14.5.A.xxx... might we be seeing 5.1?
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In all fairness, though, how many times did a KitKat update get certified before it was finally released? (And then they pulled the one that got released for a bit...)
Quick addition - 14.5.B.xxx version number... the previously certified C6903 update was 14.5.A.xxx... might we be seeing 5.1?
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Well KitKat from Sony was being scandalous and unstable when released but to my knowledge lollipop hasn't had major hiccups on the z3 or z2, but only time will tell and T-Mobile has said themselves it will released so there will still be hope. And it could be 5.1, T-Mobile may be waiting for that to release on their phones since 5.0 itself wasn't even that stable on nexus even though they did release lollipop on other phones but because they're more popular
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I'm guessing the first version of kitkat that we expected was 4.4.2 and wasn't stable. When we finally did get an update we were one of the first to get 4.4.4. So let's hope we are getting an update soon and for me I hope it fixes the interment touch screen issue that I've had since the beginning and many others have dealt with.
Lollipop = Great Bootloader still locked? = SUCKS
To the best of my Google search ability I still have not found a confirmed was to unlock the Bootloader for the Tmobile Xperia z1s
I am excited for Lollipop, but if anyone has heard or can point me in the direction of the Bootloader unlock for this phone I'd be thrilled.
Thanks
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To the best of my Google search ability I still have not found a confirmed was to unlock the Bootloader for the Tmobile Xperia z1s
I am excited for Lollipop, but if anyone has heard or can point me in the direction of the Bootloader unlock for this phone I'd be thrilled.
Thanks
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Bootloader remains locked - no unlock has yet been released for the phone, and at this point I doubt there ever will be, short of Sony taking pity on the remaining users.
Yay?
At this point, I'm not going to bother even upgrading to Lollipop on my Tmo Z1s. After waiting so long for a reliable root to be released, I'm not going to upgrade and have to wait again.
I'm fine with 4.4.4, and besides, I'm about to JUMP! And this time I'll be sure to get a device that's easily rootable. :good:
chriscosta77 said:
At this point, I'm not going to bother even upgrading to Lollipop on my Tmo Z1s. After waiting so long for a reliable root to be released, I'm not going to upgrade and have to wait again.
I'm fine with 4.4.4, and besides, I'm about to JUMP! And this time I'll be sure to get a device that's easily rootable. :good:
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Galaxy s6 is easily rootable since it's a popular device so the gangbangers are at work to break into its system for root, htc m9 possibly easy to root too, upcoming lg g4 should be too. Basically popular flagship manufacturer phones
I gave mine to my sister. NEVER again will I purchased a Sony.
epsix said:
I gave mine to my sister. NEVER again will I purchased a Sony.
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The problem lies in carrier bought Sony devices, the non tampered by carrier versions are fine.
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Galaxy s6 is easily rootable since it's a popular device so the gangbangers are at work to break into its system for root, htc m9 possibly easy to root too, upcoming lg g4 should be too. Basically popular flagship manufacturer phones
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I decided to use my upgrade, and get the T-Mobile Samsung Galaxy Note 4. Yeah, it's not bleeding edge new, but I wanted a device that had established dev community and ROM support, and I wanted the fancy Note 4 S-Pen features, and that nice large Super AMOLED screen. The S6 looks nice but I really wanted the big screen and the removable back cover was very important to me, so that I could by the spare battery kit. I don't really care about benchmarks, but the SD 805 is no slouch, and I think it'll be able to handle any apps or games that I'm going to use, that are coming out in the next 2-3 years, at least. Getting Lollipop isn't a priority either, as it seems the early versions are buggy and battery life on the S6/Edge has been less than stellar.
My technolust has been quelled for at least another year. :victory:
I did a quick search, but nothing came up. Will updating to 5.0.2 break root for us on the .56 firmware?
EDIT: realized it has only been certified not released.
It probably would... I'm not updating until there's root. Took forever to get root after I bought my z1s and since my OPO crapped out, I'm not losing root. Lol
Have any notice about c6943?
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Have any notice about c6943?
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Nope, is your z1 still seriously running jellybean?
leknessmonster said:
I did a quick search, but nothing came up. Will updating to 5.0.2 break root for us on the .56 firmware?
EDIT: realized it has only been certified not released.
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Seeing as they've certified a second build now, I'm guessing it'll be a bit longer before we see an upgrade. Remember, the 4.4.4 upgrade wasn't exactly the first attempt Sony had at putting KitKat on a C6916.
Sigh....
Still no 5.0.2 for my unbranded z1s here, it is said that z1 family has many fixes that were very annoying in the z3
I have lollipop
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T-mobile I suppose, too bad unbranded still nothing
Sony are busy congratulating themselves about bringing the new android 6 Marshmallow upgrade to Sony devices.
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Think it's pretty crappy that the Z1 and Z1 compact are not included. Great expected life cycle for their products. Most new handsets in UK are on a 2 year contract. Shame they can't provide updates for at least that long before expecting you to get a shiny new phone (with another 2 year contract).
Seriously thinking that the Z1C will be my last Sony product.
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marshmallow z1c
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Sony are busy congratulating themselves about bringing the new android 6 Marshmallow upgrade to Sony devices.
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Think it's pretty crappy that the Z1 and Z1 compact are not included. Great expected life cycle for their products. Most new handsets in UK are on a 2 year contract. Shame they can't provide updates for at least that long before expecting you to get a shiny new phone (with another 2 year contract).
Seriously thinking that the Z1C will be my last Sony product.
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That would be really a shame, the z1c isn't "old" and there are no hardware limitations for getting an update. z1c was released in Europe January/February 2014.
I was opitimistic until today that my device would get the Marshmallow update. I'm curious if they will at least deliver security fixes for 5.1.1.
When you say that you will now switch to another brand - well, please tell me, who sells a smartphone < 4,7 " with high end hardware and better support?
Good question grisu59964. Hopefully by the time my contract is up in May 2016 something new and shiny will catch my eye.
I've had Sony phones since they bought into Ericsson and to be honest they're not always great. Loved the 1st Walkman phone. (still have it in a drawer) But the Xperia U stands out as a particularly bad example. It couldn't even run Sonys own update to ICS.
Still, even with its faults like not locking the screen while its against my ear during a call, or the mysterious battery drains, random restarts, music player volume and the previous shoddy updates I do kind of like my Z1C.
I guess it's nearly time to root and add a nice custom 6.0 rom.
Lets post that we need it
https://talk.sonymobile.com/t5/Soft...arshmallow-Which-Xperias-will-be/td-p/1033227
And comment here
http://blogs.sonymobile.com/2015/10/06/sony-xperia-and-android-6-0-marshmallow/
Seems that the Z1 will be included in the second batch, so hopefully that means that the Z1C will be included as well.
http://www.phonearena.com/news/Comp...ow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
Thats sad. I still hope 6.0 will come to z1 even if its not in the list. Like some said, there is no sence on leaving the z1 behind with a Snap 800. I would like very much to see the efficiency of the battery saving that has been developed in 6.0.
yes, it is sad, but I hope there will be CyanogenMod 13 very soon
I was just about to buy a z1c too lol, guess I'll go with the samsung alpha.
Do your duty! - https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
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I was just about to buy a z1c too lol, guess I'll go with the samsung alpha.
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http://www.phonearena.com/news/Complete-list-of-phones-to-get-Android-6-Marshmallow-leaks-includes-Samsung-Sony-and-LG_id74400
This link said Z1/Z1c actually will be in second batch but guess that will be in the middle of 2016.
I've got a S6 and Z1c. In my experiences, Samsung camera focus speed blows Z1c away(picture quality indeed Z1c still doing good though not as nice as S6) but if you need waterproof and microSD then Z1c better and much cheaper. Alpha is a bit expensive, you should compare it with Z3c in this price range.
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I was opitimistic until today that my device would get the Marshmallow update. I'm curious if they will at least deliver security fixes for 5.1.1.
When you say that you will now switch to another brand - well, please tell me, who sells a smartphone < 4,7 " with high end hardware and better support?
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Quiet simple : xiaomi is the choice i will change to. It's a software engineer, using the phones as a bridge between user and software. They're producing without win merges, the only contra is the online selling and the shipping duration. Regarding price - hardware related stuff it's the best at the moment.
WieserZ1C said:
Quiet simple : xiaomi is the choice i will change to. It's a software engineer, using the phones as a bridge between user and software. They're producing without win merges, the only contra is the online selling and the shipping duration. Regarding price - hardware related stuff it's the best at the moment.
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Unfortunately, Xiaomi has only devices starting at 5" display size (size comparison). And who says that Xiaomi will provide software support in two years? Unfortunately, not really an alternative.
For now, I hope that CM 13 will make us forget that we use officially obsolete hardware.
heck. Z1 Compact is exact same specs of Nexus5 and not getting Android 6.x?
Z1C is more than capable. its just that Sony wants us to upgrade to Z5 Compact, so they won't make official marshmallow rom for it.
its the usual term : planned obsolesence.
As the updates are flowing in, i feel we've been followed much closely now, so on second thoughts, I'd go back to symbian and have Linux based laptop, sorted. Why can't we port gingerbread on contemporary handset? An OEM will never be complete and a custom rom would never match OEM's algorithms, catch 22. Look where CM had started and what now it has become same sh*t in different way.
Every company wants control but I have faith in Developers, especially independent. And all this "security" thing is overrated, what are trying to hide anyway? rather from whom? I mean, as a consumer.
Have you signed this petition?
https://www.change.org/p/sony-mobile-company-android-6-0-marshmallow-for-sony-xperia-z1-compact
Go for it. Takes just a few seconds.
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Z1c is mini Z1, witch is 95% Z2. why oh why not do it.
I get the original Z that has S4 pro processor ... but Z1 has SD800 and Z2 SD801 witch is same just bumped up frequencies ...
Meh ..
Side question, If I Bootloader unlock my Z1c, i know i lose the DRM keys, but what exactly i lose in functionality ? lower camera performance like on Z3c?
It would be shame if Sony would just drop Z1c. Leaving it with Stragefright 2.0... The phone should get the update.
I won't change this phone for at least another 1 1/2 years, so marschmallow would be great to stay with...
shame on sony, if they drop the suppport..
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It would be shame if Sony would just drop Z1c. Leaving it with Stragefright 2.0... The phone should get the update.
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I thought 5.1 fixed it - http://www.ibtimes.com/android-511-...ria-z1-z1-compact-z-ultra-rolling-out-2096910 - or is there another one?
So i receive many questions about this via PM and other topics as i have a good contact with ZTE so i thought I'd create one where you guys can post your comments.
Ive raised this topic to them and they are discussing it. I will keep this main post updated with what i hear.
Update 05/01/17
Official Bootloader Unlock is coming. It was delayed through there not being a great process to release it and the various updates the ZTE have provided to fix bugs. I am still on a root version of b03 and there is a stock b09 version currently. However, the root version i was given is great and works flawlessly. Ive been promised that another root release is coming very soon and will become official.
Potential EU Bootloader Unlock - Needs testers! Thanks @DrakenFX:
http://forum.xda-developers.com/axon-7/how-to/guide-how-to-unlock-bootloader-stay-t3461165
Why did USA get a bootloader unlock?
> The phone has been released to the open market there and under USA law they can remove the warranty if a bootloader is requested. From what i have read/understand in EU they have to commit to their warranty no matter what.
> It was all decided hastily internally within the USA team without contacting the worldwide team, neither had a clue of what each other was doing, but due to my efforts it looks like they are communicating.
> ZTE promise they dont want to discriminate.
What is happening with the EU?
It is coming. You wont lose warranty.
i got my Axon 7 today in germany from Saturn and in the dev menu i had the option for OEM Bootloader unlock, i thought european weren't supposed to have that?
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starvirus
Starvirus said:
i got my Axon 7 today in germany from Saturn and in the dev menu i had the option for OEM Bootloader unlock, i thought european weren't supposed to have that?
Best Regards
starvirus
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It's on all phones. It doesn't do anything.
Starvirus said:
i got my Axon 7 today in germany from Saturn and in the dev menu i had the option for OEM Bootloader unlock, i thought european weren't supposed to have that?
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starvirus
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It's on all phones. It doesn't do anything.
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Even doesn't do anything on his own when enable, is needed when official bootloader unlock arrive.
thought a fastboot oem unlock would suffice, but didn't try it yet.
But that they kept that option there is just pure torture
What ZTE should realize regarding the bootloader unlock is that they have 2 options to build trust with the customers, especially considering last year's Axon has not received Marshmallow and will not receive Marshmallow (at some point customer service said it would, which makes the whole thing even worse).
Either let people unlock the bootloader and provide long term software support through the dev community or promise updates for at least 2 years. Buying what is essentially a flagship device (and *the* flagship of ZTE) and then possibly not receiving anything beyond Nougat (which I expect them to deliver at the very least because of Daydream) would be a huge letdown. I can accept that with <200€ phones, whose hardware probably doesn't really hold up anyways after 2 years, but I expect more from a 400€ phone that is the top of the line from that brand. This holds true especially considering that the other two big competitors in the same price range (the OP3 and the Honor 8) do provide at least one of those assurances. So far, the Axon 7 does not and that's worrisome given both some of the flaws in the current software (notification bell, video playback issues etc) and their own history with last year's Axon.
Bad news but it is starting to look unlikely in Europe that we will get a bootloader unlock. They will try to give us an official confirmation via social media soon.
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Bad news but it is starting to look unlikely in Europe that we will get a bootloader unlock. They will try to give us an official confirmation via social media soon.
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tbf, idc if they fix the querks of MiFavour and we still got Root
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Bad news but it is starting to look unlikely in Europe that we will get a bootloader unlock. They will try to give us an official confirmation via social media soon.
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that's realy sad, will have to start looking for another phone and send the axon7 back
Thats a deal breaker..
Can't we get any solutions for the europe phones from the A2017U unlock? Are they so different?
Really bad news. I hope they will re-think this decision
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recieved mine today and right after unpacking i saw this thread with the bad news.
if there's no new info about the bootloader untill the end of next week it's gonna get returned.
not gonna gamble on someone maaayyybe finding an exploit in a year...
Oh well, they better rethink this or OP3 it is. Been on the edge the whole time. But wanted to give it a go due to the cool hardware. I can still cancel that order on the Axon and will probably do that as soon as this get official.
Please help me.
We have the US version with the 20B update from which you can unlock your boot loader with the 20B_boot update.
One guy has flashed the b02 version for the Europe devices on his A2017U US phone. Correct?
Can't we flash the 20B version to our Europe A2017G phones and unlock them with the 20b_boot version?
Can't we check which files and how the boot update changed the boot loader and do it some way manually on our phones?
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Can't we check which files and how the boot update changed the boot loader and do it some way manually on our phones?
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Not really -- the OTAs are block level patches, not file patches. Someone would have to dump and compare the partitions before and after. The system image would probably be easy, fastboot is provided as a full image, but for the other images (boot and recovery), you'd have to dive into the assembly and/or tear apart the kernel.
I'm actually kinda glad they decided to **** europe over with the bootloader. I was on the fence whether to buy the P8 Plus or wait for the Axon 7.
Now I don't have to worry about this anymore, ZTE made the decision so much easier
The P8 has the better battery and camera anyhow. Cheers to everybody
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I'm actually kinda glad they decided to **** europe over with the bootloader. I was on the fence whether to buy the P8 Plus or wait for the Axon 7.
Now I don't have to worry about this anymore, ZTE made the decision so much easier
The P8 has the better battery and camera anyhow. Cheers to everybody
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Thats your choice.
The Axon 7 has better screen and sound anyhow which matters to me. Pretty solid phone for the price even without an unlocked bootloader. Theres already root so cant really complain, what do you expect for a £360 phone!
They didnt really **** europe with the bootloader, it was never guaranteed or announced. But glad your decision is made easier.
The 3 year warranty with the axon 7 was too good to pass on
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Thats your choice.
The Axon 7 has better screen and sound anyhow which matters to me. Pretty solid phone for the price even without an unlocked bootloader. Theres already root so cant really complain, what do you expect for a £360 phone!
They didnt really **** europe with the bootloader, it was never guaranteed or announced. But glad your decision is made easier.
The 3 year warranty with the axon 7 was too good to pass on
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Giving one group a choice and deny this choice to another group, that's ***ing one group over IMHO
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Thats your choice.
The Axon 7 has better screen and sound anyhow which matters to me. Pretty solid phone for the price even without an unlocked bootloader. Theres already root so cant really complain, what do you expect for a £360 phone!
They didnt really **** europe with the bootloader, it was never guaranteed or announced. But glad your decision is made easier.
The 3 year warranty with the axon 7 was too good to pass on
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All valid points. But no unlocked bootloader = no custom roms = no buy, simple as that.
Especially with a company with a bad or at very least doubtful reputation to provide software updates for a reasonably long/adequate period.
But as you say, that's my choice. And from what I can tell many others will make the same choice. Owning an Android is all about freedom of choice and customization, especially for people her on XDA (obviously). I do like the phone but I don't necessarily like the software on it, or at least not all of it.
I would go for the One+ 3, but no SD card slot = no buy.
I have owned enough android phones to know what I consider essential features and I buy my phones accordingly.
And I actually consider a 1440p screen on a phone a slight negative due to increased power consumption while I gain nothing with higher pixel density (not interested in using mobile VR).
Sound is better, true, but I listen exclusively with headphones so nice speakers are a bonus. My Bluetooth speaker still has better sound
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Giving one group a choice and deny this choice to another group, that's ***ing one group over IMHO
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This.
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And I actually consider a 1440p screen on a phone a slight negative due to increased power consumption while I gain nothing with higher pixel density (not interested in using mobile VR).
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I think 1080p is an absolutely fine resolution for 5.5", but 1080p PenTile? Eh. Not quite hitting the mark for me.