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Does anyone know about this Blue Tooth headset - it's a dog tag with ear buds. Looks great, but can't seem to find it in the USA. Does anyone have one and if so how do you like it and where can I get it?
Fry's has them
http://shop4.outpost.com/product/54...prKSJ8pDg**.node1?site=sr:SEARCH:MAIN_RSLT_PG
Thanks!
Does anyone have one? Pros? Cons?
BT3030 - my feedback
I just got a Jabra BT3030 a few days ago and I have used it a few times now. Here is a quick feedback.
First impression right out of the box is that the build quality is pretty good. The controls have a silicone / rubber 3D texture over a stainless steel backing that makes them easy to find and operate. The controls are also big enough to be used with gloves (important to me since I use it while doing outdoors activity). The most frequently used buttons are the largest (full width of the device) and at opposite ends, good design.
The BT3030 comes both with a neck strap (nice metal one, can be replaced with anything you like) and a plastic clip to clip it to a shirt pocket, etc... The clip looks and feels pretty flimsy and I wouldn’t trust it for anything more than just preventing the BT3030 from flapping around when on the neck strap.
Finally in the box there is a set of headphones (in the ear style), two pairs (small and large) ear bud shell, an AC charger, a “getting started” guide and the usual legal notices.
My BT3030 powered up right out of the box, but I still charged it for a couple of hours before using it. One of the great thing is that it uses a mini USB port for charging. This is a critical selection factor for me as I am trying to standardize on mini USB for as many devices as I can to make my like easier - and not have to carry one charger per device.
Pairing with my ATT Tilt was a breeze and I got it going within a couple of minutes.
As mentioned earlier, the BT3030 comes with a set of headphones (look nice enough), but since there is a standard 3.5mm stereo headphone jack connector, you can use you favorite headphones (I use a pair of Sony MDR-EX71 - not top of the line, but still pretty good one). The headset connector is on the side of the unit, which isn’t the greatest for cable management: I would have preferred it on top, where the neck strap attaches, but that’s a minor detail.
For music testing I used both the windows media player as well as PocketMusic 5.0. and there the results are mixed.
On the plus side, the BT3030 works as advertised.
I was able to record voice tag for contacts and use the voice calling feature with no problem.
I made a few phone calls with it and the sound quality was very good at both ends (or so was the persons I called claim).
Listening to music, I am able to start / stop / skip to next / previous track with both applications.
When a calls comes in while listening to music, there is a beep in the headphones and your can decided to take (click on the call button) or ignore (click and hold the call button) the call. You can terminate the call by pressing the call button. Music playing will resume automatically within a few seconds of the call been terminated (by either party). On the music application side, I found that Pocket Music would take longer (10+ seconds) to resume playing and it would reset at the beginning of the song that was played while interrupted while Window Player would resume within 5 seconds where it left off.
Finally, there are no independent volume settings for call / music, which could be a problem depending on what you listen / etc…
On the minus side, a few issues:
Volume management: when you press the volume up / down on the BT3030, it is not clear which volume it is controlling: the BT3030, the Tilt system volume or the music application volume. After some testing, I came to the conclusion that they all operate independently and that the volume buttons on the BT3030 control the internal amplification volume of the Jabra BT3030 itself.
Max volume: which bring the next complain. The max volume on the BT3030 is just shy of what I need (I am getting older, but I am not deaf yet ) . For regular listening (loud music, both ear buds plugged it), it is adequate. My major use is for listening to podcasts when I ride my mountain bike (got keep you brain occupied during these longs grinds uphill) and between the usually lower volume level of the podcasts and the wind noise generated around the ear buds, the max volume generated by the BT3030 is just a few click short of what I need.
Fast forward / reverse: This last issue has to do with the inability to fast forward / reverse through music. I was expecting that keeping either the << or >> buttons pressed on the BT3030 would fast reverse / forward through the current song. Well, it doesn’t work, it just skips to the previous / next song in the playlist. At this point I am not sure whether it is a limitation of the BT3030 itself or a issue with the Bluetooth profile.
Summary:
Plus:
- Works as advertised
- Mini USB interface for charging
- Small, rugged, splashproof
Minuses
- Flimsy clip
- Max volume not enough
- Fast forward / Reverse not working
Denis
Got mine today..
So far so good - it is wasy to set up and exactly what I needed. Not one for those big earclip type of devices.
As mentioned by Denis the volume on the BT3030 could be higher and I would like to see more detail in the instructions. Still figuring out what the light paterns mean.
Do you think it is good for sports? I sweat a lot, and I'm afraid it might damage the headset/dogtag... I live in South America, but there's a friend abroad who might bring me one of those, and I was thinking about one of these or the LCD ones.
Sports
It seems tough enough for that kind of thing to me - it's metal and rubber. THe ear buds seems to been suitable as well plus comforatble
How's the sound quality with this thing for both calls and music? I have the Tritton AX Bluestream:
http://www.trittontechnologies.com/products/TRIBH102.html
AKA Sonorix C3:
http://www.sonorix.com/eng/index.php
and it's essentially the same thing. Mini review:
Pros:
-looks sleek
-OLED screen is very nice
-all features work well with Tilt (Kaiser), including music, calling, music controls, pairing
-Mic seems to work fairly well, but you have to clip it somewhere where your voice easily reaches it and don't expect any background noise cancellation.
Cons:
-maybe I'm picky, but the music sound quality sounds slightly worse than a 128kbps MP3 file, especially during complicated rock songs. In other words, if you're the type who always used the headphones that came with your audio players, it will probably be fine. Metallica sounds okay, but you lose some of the quality in the drums, guitar solos, and symbals. Bass is pretty okay. It seems it's mostly the higher frequencies that are lost.
-controls are very minimal and often confusing. There's like 20 different button combinations to do different things.
-Received sound quality during calls is fairly bad. You can understand what the other person is saying, no doubt, but its VERY "tinny" sounding. Like listening to headphones from a foot away.
-Doesn't automatically pair on power up.
Sound
The sound is good not great - It would be nice if it was just a touch louder. But here is what I really like - you get 3 different size ear buds - in noisy situations putting both in works wonders for calls. I just took it on flight and the ear buds are great for keeping out ambient noise.
Does anyone know if the fast forward / rewind is supposed to work?
As I mentioned in my previous post, I cannot do a fast FW or fast RW with te BT3030. Is that an issue with thie Jabra or with all BT headset (profile issue?)?
Thanks
epauldc29 said:
The sound is good not great - It would be nice if it was just a touch louder. But here is what I really like - you get 3 different size ear buds - in noisy situations putting both in works wonders for calls. I just took it on flight and the ear buds are great for keeping out ambient noise.
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In the other post ledrocnoc said that the volume controlled it's own internal sound. Were the Kaiser system volume and the music player sound at max and it's still slow?
Tilt and player volumes were at maximum...
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In the other post ledrocnoc said that the volume controlled it's own internal sound. Were the Kaiser system volume and the music player sound at max and it's still slow?
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In my case both the phone (ATT Tilt) and the player (Pocket Music and Windows Media Player) were maxed out. The volume controls on the BT3030 did not seem to affect either of these.
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In my case both the phone (ATT Tilt) and the player (Pocket Music and Windows Media Player) were maxed out. The volume controls on the BT3030 did not seem to affect either of these.
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Oh, I see, but what I meant to ask was if you thought the volume was still low with all volumes (kaiser, player and dogtag) at max. I ended up writing "slow" instead of "low"
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Oh, I see, but what I meant to ask was if you thought the volume was still low with all volumes (kaiser, player and dogtag) at max. I ended up writing "slow" instead of "low"
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That's what I thought you meant ("low" instead of "slow") and what I thought I answered . I just wasn't clear, but yes, with the volumes on the phone and player application and the BT3030 maxed out, it still is fairly "tame" (not ear splitting as one would expect it). Maybe we can thank the lawyers for that (you know, if you physically can't make the volume very loud, you can't hurt your hearing), or maybe the engineers (trying to preserve battery life by limiting the volume)...
Bottom line, with all the volumes maxed out, even with a decent pair of headphones (Sony MD-EX71), it's just OK, not loud by any means (and not, I do not have any hearing problems).
Ow.. that's a shame. I was really looking into this, but there are situations where I need some volume. Guess I'll have to look for another Bt headset.
Thanks a lot.
jym04 said:
Ow.. that's a shame. I was really looking into this, but there are situations where I need some volume. Guess I'll have to look for another Bt headset.
Thanks a lot.
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Same here, I might end up returning this unit and give a try to the Motorola S705. Same price, not as "rugged", but includes a radio and hopefully a little more "ooomf" in the power department!
You may wanna wait for the motorola s605, seen 'em at CES, similar in size to the Jabra bt3030's but also include fm tuner, but unlike the s705's theres no dislay. They were quoting them at 59 bucks when they come out Q2 2008. I was impressed with 'em, if they hadn't been wired down they would have probably fallen in my pocket as I was leaving (kidding of course.....or am I?)
I've just also had a BT3030 for myself. About £40 including UK postage is not too high a price. I'd rate this headset 4 stars over 5 and recommend it to those who have a good phone that supports Bluetooth 2.0 with A2DP and AVRCP.
* Agreed with ledrocnoc that the miniUSB charging port is a unique and cool thing about this headset. I just wonder if I could simply use a USB-miniUSB cable to connect the headset to my laptop then I could throw away hasles of the charging adapter. (@ledrocnoc: do you think I could do this? would there be any problem with voltage or stuffs? Thanks.)
* I'm using the BT3030 with a PDA (HTC Universal / O2 Xda Exec) with built-in Bluetooth 1.2 and with a laptop with built-in Bluetooth 2.0 (both devices come with A2DP and AVRCP). To be honest, I'm so disappointed at the (music) sound quality when using with the PDA. There're much background noise and crack-sound; and even worse, sound distortion is quite noticable. On the contrary, when using with the laptop, the (music) sound is very very good and those disappointments disappear. I guess the main cause is the low transfer rate of Bluetooth 1.2 on my PDA, not the headset itself.
* Until now, I couldn't pair the headset with the BOTH devices (PDA & laptop) simultaneously as advertised. Anybody struggling the same problem? One more thing, pairing process isn't as easy and fast as I expected. Sometimes the laptop couldn't detect and connect the BT3030, but thing's going fine with the PDA.
* I especially love the idea of exchangable earphones. Now I can use my preferred SONY's earphones with this headset (bluetooth adapter, to be exact), although the accompanied Jabra earphones are also very good.
I got a Motorola S705 and I am pretty happy with it...
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(@ledrocnoc: do you think I could do this? would there be any problem with voltage or stuffs? Thanks.
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This should work. My understanding is that miniUSB is a standard and all devices are interchangeable electrically.
My experience is that if some "chargers" (or USB ports) aren't compatible with some devices it just won't charge them, I have never burned any devices by plugging them with other chargers, etc...
Now, as the title of my reply says, I've returned my BT3030 and I got a Motorola S705, for less $ and it provides more functionality! Here is a quick review:
The pluses so far:
- Mini-usb connection for charging (again, important to me, as I like to minimize the number of chargers I take on the road)
- LCD interface. It's just basic menus, but at least you know exactly what the device is doing instead of trying to decode a combination of LED colors and blinking rate (like on the BT3030)
- Radio... I didn't think I needed it, but it's actually pretty handy. A couple of times I was listening to a radio show in the car when I had to get out... I just tuned the S705 to the same radio station and off I was, show uninterrupted
- Joystick control: I was concerned early on that this would be a pain, but for my use it actually gives me a better control / feel (I use it mostly riding my mountain bike, so I have to be able to operate it with gloves). On the BT3030 I always pusked the wrong button, with the S705, the buttons for answering the phone is on the side and the joystick controls the audio functionality.
- Volume: the S705 can definitively crank out more volume out of the same headset than the BT3030. Not by much, but enough to make worth it (volume issue was a deal killer for me on the BT3030). Note on the volume issue: it will probably not be a problem for most people. What I found out is that the podcast that I listen to most frequently are actually recorded pretty low compared to other podcasts and regular music. Since I have yet to find an automated way of doing volume leveling on podcast (iTunes can, but it ain't compatible with my phone), this has been a key issue for me.
- Headphone jack positioning: on the S705 the headset plugs in at the top of the devices, just in front of the lanyard. This is great if you have a headset with a straight jack, as you can wrap the headset cord around the lanyard, up to your neck and keep the wires from dangling all over the place. On the BT3030, the jack in on the side, which I think would be goodif you had a headset with a right angle jack.
Neutrals:
- Battery life: seems pretty good, but honestly I haven't pushed it. I am sure I'll run out of battery on my phone (ATT Tilt / HTC Kaiser) before the S705 runs out.
- Durability: the BT3030 was "splash proof" and had a nice solid feel with the rubber thingy around it. The S705 feels more fragile, but I've had it during a couple of wet rides and it hasn't been a problem so far. Time will tell.
- Sound quality: good enough for my application (listening to podcasts and music will I ride my mountain bike. These long grinds uphills get really boring really fast without it!).
- Range: not critical for me as my phone is in my backpack or in my breast pocket, but I've been able to get 20 feet a couple of time where I had to walk away from the phone. Good enough for my application!
Cons:
- Bluetooth connection? I've had some instance of Bluetooth connection dropping on the phone side. This is weird because the symptoms are a dropped connection and when I look at the phone, bluetooth is turned off. I just need to turn bluetooth on again and everything works again. I've never had that happen with other bluetooth devices before on that phone, so it would point to the S705, but it doesn't make sense to me...
- Fast FW/ Rev: not sure if this is an issue with the device, the BlueTooth remote control profile or the music player on the phone, but there is no fast forward / reverse functionality. Hitting the >> or << function either with a stab of a continuous push only skips the the next / previous song. I had the same problem with the BT3030 and it's a pain when listening to podcast (where you might want to listed again to a section of particular interest or just skip over something boring).
- Lock switch: it would be nice if there was a switch to lock out the buttons to prevent unintended operation.
Overall 4.5 stars out of 5, so far so good! We'll see about the durability!
Loud A2DP, a chimera, an uncatchable dream still, even if we are walking towards the end of the first 2K decade.
I've tried a lot of them, wasted a lot of money, all of them were dull, low volumed craps of silicon got me everytime going back to wires.
But now I discovered something really worth mentioning. It's not 100% perfect but yes it's 96% perfect (I had Motorola S705 and i'd give it 20%), loud, clear and screaming.
Gentlemen it's Nokia's BH-500. 3.5mm audiojack for your fave earphones and loud loud LOUD.. Espec on my kaiser this thing rocks. It's almost like listening to Pocket Music wired something like a volumeclick down no more..
After everything been through I HAVE to spread the good news guys. No more wasted money on A2DP. (They should allow testing before you buy but they don't. If they did I'be rich )
I'm looking for non-wired now. I'll give BH-503 a try (princess Leia kindastyle). It's new to the market and I trust Nokia in the sound dept. (N91 is the best and loud MP3 player ever ever) so I'll keep you informed..
I thought about getting a stand alone mp3 player, but considering WinMo already has a player it would save me a considerable amount of cash. The only thing I'm worried about is the sound quality since this was designed to be a phone after all. Has anyone done a comparison with a decent pair of headphones? Any word which direction i should point myself into?
the oem head phones can be very uncomfortable for
prolonged periods of time,
i suggest you buy a usb to 3.5mm converter
which can be found on ebay or amazon for as little as
$1.50, as for the sound quality, it is very good on
some decent headphones, it all comes down to
what headphones you pair it with, if you use the
oem headphones than the sound quality is
acceptable but not great. i would also suggest you
use tcpmp to play those other formats with higher sound
quality, and S2P for an easy to use media player.
hope that helps.
Short Answer.
Yes the Hermes makes a great MP3 player, a little complex to use, but still a great MP3 player.
Long Answer.
I find it to work rather well. However I very rarely use it with headphones, I have the audio out, feeding my headunit in my car. So it plays through 9 speakers. (2 tweeters, 4 mid range, 2 mid bass, and 1 sub) People are amazed that all my music is played through my phone and the controllability I have over selection is very awesome. I have even used my phone as a substitute for DJ equipment. I set up all the speakers and amps, plugged in my phone and got the music playing, then setup all the electronic equipment and moved over to Virtual DJ with a laptop and External Drives. When the night was winding down, I went back to the phone with a pre-programed play-list and had all the gear except speakers and amps loaded and packed 30mins before the party was even done.
I have found some strange behaviour that i'm hoping someone else can test out on their Galaxy S.
I have found that some headphones seem to work fine with the phone for music playing but others result in the sound being distorted with the vocals being very faint as if the left and right channel are cancelling each other out (with vocals generally being on left and right channel).
The packaged Samsung headphones appear to work properly although the quality seems average. I tried my iPhone headphones but these resulted in the strange sound distortion described above. I also tried a pair of cheap Sennheiser which were a free give away with a purchase from Richer Sounds and they worked well. Another pair of no-name cheap headphones exhibited the same distortion problems as the iPhone headphones.
Oddly, the FM radio sounded ok with all the headphones, it's just the music player that has the problem. I have also tried a couple of other music apps including the doubletwist player to rule out the software.
I'm considering taking it back to the shop to swap for a replacement. I'd be grateful if anyone could try out some headphones (particularly iPhone ones) on their Galaxy S and report their results to see if this is just a quirk with my phone or the Galaxy S in general.
Many Thanks
I just need some clarification because I know that a headset, and not headphones, is delivered with the Iphone. If it was a headset then I might suspect that different Iphones use different polarity as opposed to Samsung. Try out the Samsung headset on the Iphone.
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Obviously not the problem. I must have skipped over the radio experience.
I can't post a link to it, but I remembered that GSMArena did a thorough review of the SGS. If you find your way to it, go to page 6 and see the sound chart at the bottom. SGS is superior in sound to iPhone. Perhaps the iPhone headset/headphones and the cheap ones are not sufficient for the SGS? I'm guessing
I had a similar experience when I tried to use the Samsung Spica headset on my HTC Hero. It seems that it might be a difference in polarity as suggested above.
Does all the headsets that give distorted sounds have a microphone on them? (E.g. not headphones)
the iPhone's headphones have extremely high distortion regardless of the media using to play them. The SGS is probably just overpowering them because they are very loud headphones as well/easily powered.
No it's nothing to do with them being overpowered.
I have an expensive pair of etymotic in ear headphones that are exhibiting the very same problem. Strangely I found a fix. They have a microphone on them and pressing in the answer button on them seems to fix the problem. I have taped the button down now and everything works perfectly. The second that button is released though, everything goes back to being faint, muffled and distorted.
Odd!
PS. This isn't just with the music player. I noticed it first watching a video.
It sounds like Samsung has their own way of producing the 3.5mm port with regards to the microphone support.
The Samsung headset distorts music on my HTC Hero.
The HTC headset distorts music on my gfs Galaxy Spica
To be clear, are you saying the problem only affects headsets with microphones? I have etymotic er4p headphones and it would be a deal breaker if they didn't work right with this phone.
If its only showing up in the media player, check that you havent enabled the 5.1 button in the the top right of the player. This can really screw with the sound and entire frequency ranges can be lost. I'm guessing this is whats happening.
The default headphones work fine for me if a little tinny, but with my Senheissers, the results are very pleasing. Apart from a slight gap between tracks that should seemlessly play through, I prefer using it to my iPod Touch. Being able to change tracks and volume without unlocking is a nice feature.
I threw my iPod headphones out years ago, they're the most ridiculous design ever, with the cable tapping the inside sleeve all the time when you walk or run.
k2snowboards88 said:
To be clear, are you saying the problem only affects headsets with microphones? I have etymotic er4p headphones and it would be a deal breaker if they didn't work right with this phone.
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It sounds like that the problem is with headsets with microphones, yes. Not sure if it happens with all 3rd party headsets w/ mic though.
Considering you have etymotic, and ClownShoes a few posts up have problems with this brand, I guess you're out of luck unless you wanna tape the answering button like he did.
The er4p is just headphones, so it sounds like i'm in luck.
Got my GS a few days ago and im having exactly the same problem with the Etymotic hf2 Headset with mic. So yeah it looks like it the mic that causes the problems.
sim87 said:
Got my GS a few days ago and im having exactly the same problem with the Etymotic hf2 Headset with mic. So yeah it looks like it the mic that causes the problems.
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It's a little bit crude, but taping the button down does work.
I have the same issue with with Monster Studios even with the cable without the integrated mic. Would be great to have some sort of fix.
Headphone issues
Just thought I would post what I knew about the issue, both me and my dad purchased the same pair of headphones to use on mp3 players (the headphones are ultimate ears metro fi 220 vi's if I remember correctly, these have an in-line microphone as well as a single button for answering calls and to control music playback). Whilst I experienced no distortion when using them on my iPod Classic, my Dad's Creative player would produce the issues described above - he found that either taping the button down or slightly pulling the headphones out would solve the issue however it ended up annoying him so much that he went back to using another set of headphones.
I don't know what causes the issue but I just thought I would let people know
i have some sennsihaur sport headphones which work fine no problems. i also a monster fm transmitter in the car.. again no problesm.. just make sure the volume is not on max but 1 setting below max.
Hmmmm, a few problems here. Obviously the standard Samsung headphones are fine, no humming, no background noise. However if I connect the following:
1. Standard Apple iPhone (with mic) loads of background noise, humming etc
2. Shure (no mic) loads of background noise, humming etc
3. B&O (no mic) loads of background noise, humming etc
4. Shure (with mic adaptor) loads of background noise, humming etc greatly reduced by pressing the mute key.
Using the Shure adaptor with the others resulting in the same as 4.
Needless to say I'm not happy!
That's too bad. Not being able to use my Shure with the phone renders it useless for music and that IS important.
In the SERVICE MODE *#*#197328640#*#* there is an audio menu
there you can change the headset settings too like NR noise reducion.
i did not test and changed the settings but when i had the samsung omnia2 last year
i had some problems with my headset and fix it in in the sevice menu.
when you gonne do some tests write down the orginal settings before you try.
hope this will help some of you..... and post the results
im sure its the jack, cos the galaxy s has a 4pole trrs at left/right/mic/ground
iphone compatible headset have a 4pole trrs at left/right/ground/mic
thats why pressing the mic button clears up the sound as it closes the circuit
so it a matter of finding an adaptor that switches the mic and ground terminals
I have a tf10vi and im trying to diy one
will post the results
Just saw the post and thought I would check mine again, not that I noticed anything....anyway tried few songs and different types and all are sounding amazing, I use Sure 530 so music needs to be no lower than 256 to get the best out of the phones, most of my music tracks are 320bit.
Friends obviously a LOT of Nexus 7 owners have complained about sound issues, from obviously defective units to the simple issue of volume being inadequate for use
My question is what is "normal" on this device? anyone know a db / sound-pressure at radius specification?
other than obvious noise through a speaker, how does anyone know if their unit is "normal" ?
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Friends obviously a LOT of Nexus 7 owners have complained about sound issues, from obviously defective units to the simple issue of volume being inadequate for use
My question is what is "normal" on this device? anyone know a db / sound-pressure at radius specification?
other than obvious noise through a speaker, how does anyone know if their unit is "normal" ?
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My speaker is defective, and in need of going out for repair/replacement, but the volume seems like it will be fine for my needs once the rattle/vibration is fixed. It only happens at certain frequencies, so I can still get a solid sense of the output level.
Trying to determine the exact db at a specific distance isn't going to do you much good, because it will be based on either the loudest frequency, or 1khz. The 1khz rating is somewhat reasonable to use, but what if there's a massive spike there (and on small speakers, there generally is). Say it could hit 95-100db at 1khz, it still will likely only hit about 5db at 40hz. See where I'm going with this?
I don't know, I could grab my spl meter, and run a whole series of tests at 1 meter in a quasi-anechoic environment (though it's really cold outside here), if you're really that keen on finding out precise measurements of the frequency output over the 20-20 range. Seems a little overboard for a 7" tablet though. I would consider the volume more than adequate for listening to the news, or voip calls, but there isn't a tablet that exists where I would be happy with the sound of the speakers for music.
Of course, I'm kind of picky about these things.
From what I see in the boards, there are three types of view points on the output.
1. Plenty good for normal use.
2. Terribly low for music.
3. Flat out broken, so you can only turn it up half way (the second is my current situation).
Also, don't forget that the speaker is in the back, so you'll have to keep it turned around or bouncing straight off of a hard surface, to get the full output to your ears. Some cases may also significantly reduce the output as well.
more questions: if we presume/conclude "there is a volume problem even when the speakers are not defective", then two follow-on questions:
1. is it JUST speakers?
2. combo of lousy speakers and a problem with the DSP/firmware/software/etc.... ?
I think it is 2 but I'd love to hear a root cause on the whole issue.
with SOME music sources I can get through the speakers a little bit louder response, at FULL volume max'd - than I can with MX Player on a video with the Player set on Volume Boost [200%].
in the case of MX Player, its basically worthless through the speakers both from a dynamics standpoint [obvious...] and just volume unless you are in a stone-quiet area and are craning toward the device to hear.... and you have acutely good hearing.
Then, if one is unconcerned about warranty: anyone have suggestions on replacement speaker that perhaps would help?
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more questions: if we presume/conclude "there is a volume problem even when the speakers are not defective", then two follow-on questions:
1. is it JUST speakers?
2. combo of lousy speakers and a problem with the DSP/firmware/software/etc.... ?
I think it is 2 but I'd love to hear a root cause on the whole issue.
with SOME music sources I can get through the speakers a little bit louder response, at FULL volume max'd - than I can with MX Player on a video with the Player set on Volume Boost [200%].
in the case of MX Player, its basically worthless through the speakers both from a dynamics standpoint [obvious...] and just volume unless you are in a stone-quiet area and are craning toward the device to hear.... and you have acutely good hearing.
Then, if one is unconcerned about warranty: anyone have suggestions on replacement speaker that perhaps would help?
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When I connect the Nexus 7 to my car stereo inline, via the headphone output, I get mixed results. I generally have to crank the car stereo way up, which can cause voltage induction through the 1/8" to RCA connector, if I have the Nexus charging simultaneously.
Now granted, induction of this sort is not something that is a Nexus only problem, and has more to do with the quality of cable shielding. If I move the USB charger so that it doesn't line up with the headphone output wire, the problem is reduced.
However, the issue is more that the headphone output is somewhat inconsistent, so that means that some audio will require me to turn the stereo to a level where the inductance is moot, and sometimes I will have to turn up the stereo to the point where charging and listening to audio through the car stereo is just brutal. Of course, you weren't asking specifically about car audio, but it leads to my theory.
Now, here in lies why I think it's you're "#2". If it were purely hardware, there shouldn't be that great of a difference from the headphone jack, assuming relatively similar reference volumes from the source. So software would seem to be at play here, as well as hardware.
As far as the speakers go, I don't think you'll be able to replace the internals. They're a very awkward shape, which probably doesn't help, and there is very little room in there.
Your best bet would be to find out if there is an external speaker option which can easily work for tablets. I listened to an Ipad 4 last night, and it wasn't good either. I think you have to consider the size of these things. A speaker the size of your pinky nail, can only be asked to do so much. Trying to cram one the size of your thumbnail in there, won't do much more, and just wouldn't fit.
now we're talking real issues. thank you.
yes, compared to any of my other android or pc or apple devices this one is uniquely odd
all as you have noted. inconsistent, output device matters, etc.
I admit I'm skewed by the ipad Mini - if you get a chance, sample that in terms of speaker performance. I have not access to Ipad 4 in my shop.
in my case, there is no distortion that I can observe/detect with my ears - clear enough, but there's not much substance there, oddly except for notifications which are crystal clear at full volume, if not particularly loud [my ancient droid optimus is louder - obnoxiously so which is why I keep it on vibe].
bladebarrier said:
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When I connect the Nexus 7 to my car stereo inline, via the headphone output, I get mixed results. I generally have to crank the car stereo way up, which can cause voltage induction through the 1/8" to RCA connector, if I have the Nexus charging simultaneously.
Now granted, induction of this sort is not something that is a Nexus only problem, and has more to do with the quality of cable shielding. If I move the USB charger so that it doesn't line up with the headphone output wire, the problem is reduced.
However, the issue is more that the headphone output is somewhat inconsistent, so that means that some audio will require me to turn the stereo to a level where the inductance is moot, and sometimes I will have to turn up the stereo to the point where charging and listening to audio through the car stereo is just brutal. Of course, you weren't asking specifically about car audio, but it leads to my theory.
Now, here in lies why I think it's you're "#2". If it were purely hardware, there shouldn't be that great of a difference from the headphone jack, assuming relatively similar reference volumes from the source. So software would seem to be at play here, as well as hardware.
As far as the speakers go, I don't think you'll be able to replace the internals. They're a very awkward shape, which probably doesn't help, and there is very little room in there.
Your best bet would be to find out if there is an external speaker option which can easily work for tablets. I listened to an Ipad 4 last night, and it wasn't good either. I think you have to consider the size of these things. A speaker the size of your pinky nail, can only be asked to do so much. Trying to cram one the size of your thumbnail in there, won't do much more, and just wouldn't fit.
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I run with my phone in a running pouch and it is positioned in the small of my back and when it is there, bluetooth stutters and struggles to keep a signal at times. To make it work I have to either position it in the front or in my hand. I didn't have this issue with either the Nexus 6 or even the Fire Phone. Does anyone else have similar issues?
I do. If my phone is in my pocket, or my daughter is using it in the back seat of my car it stutters constantly. When I run if I don't have it on the arm nearest the BT receiver of the headphones it stutters. BT is supposed to be good for a decent range depending on the version, but I have to keep my N6P ridiculously close to whatever its connected to.
Mine works fine with no stutter for me in either phone or music. I use it up to about about 25 feet. This is when connected to my car.
I notice this also. I came from a Nexus 6 where I used my Wireless headphones and always kept a good connection at long ranges.
But on the Nexus 6p when using the same headphones I can't move that far from the phone before it starts to cut out.
Also been terrible for me, 6.0.1 had stuttering. 7.0 has caused a very annoying bug where the music plays at full volume until you press up or down on the volume buttons of the phone. My car's bluetooth adapter will clip any audio going through it when playing at full blast, very annoying having to always juggle the source volume when starting a song.
My power beats 2... Cut out when phone is in right trouser pocket. I notice it now I walk around the city with no suit jacket. Been talking to beats, they want me to post them off... Wait 2 weeks. Forget that I know it's the phone....
Radio for Bluetooth is obviously on the other side of my body, I could put phone in my left pocket but I am right handed. (Bluetooth on headphones must be on my left)