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Ok had a play with ZL and XZ in a local store..I am surprised by these things:
As we know most things about the XZ i wont go onto those points..rather ZL.
1. ZL is more brighter and better contrast than XZ..And no the values of calibration were set to 0 on ZL..i put up sony live wallpaper [purple] on both and ZL was visibly more brighter and vibrant!I Wonder what was sony thinking not giving its flagship that same screen? :/
2. Sound through headphones and speakers both were better on ZL..Dont know why? i can understand speakers bcoz of water proofing.
3. Easier to use due to small size and withe same size screen is a plus.
And alas i am confused :/ Dont wanna loose the build quality of XZ but want a brighter screen too!
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Ok had a play with ZL and XZ in a local store..I am surprised by these things:
As we know most things about the XZ i wont go onto those points..rather ZL.
1. ZL is more brighter and better contrast than XZ..And no the values of calibration were set to 0 on ZL..i put up sony live wallpaper [purple] on both and ZL was visibly more brighter and vibrant!I Wonder what was sony thinking not giving its flagship that same screen? :/
2. Sound through headphones and speakers both were better on ZL..Dont know why? i can understand speakers bcoz of water proofing.
3. Easier to use due to small size and withe same size screen is a plus.
And alas i am confused :/ Dont wanna loose the build quality of XZ but want a brighter screen too!
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Could have been better if you can provide pictures.
they didnt let me do that there..i was at a local store..I'll try to pursue next time..But trust me ZL is more brighter..Can there be a mod to increase XZ brightness??..
Bcoz it looks dull in comparison! But i want the XZ only
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Was it a demo unit or a retail unit ? All demo units have the ****TY JDC panels. Retail models in most countries have the Sharp panel (same as the one on ZL)
I guess both were demo units..Coz there was some videos of each's advertisemnt going on once u leave them doing nothing..but cud be some screen saver too. but i could be wrong too! bcoz one guy bought the XZ and it looked same.
P.S. Also look here even pocketnow notices the screen difference..guess we will have to wait for gsmarena -
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=siiv2XltFXY
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ZL uses Sharp screen only, whereas Z first batch has panel lottery and demo units get poor panels. So you can't compare that way. GSMArena got the second worst panel (JDC) so obviously ZL review they will rate the display better but it's pointless as they didn't review Z with sharp panel.
Z with sharp panel will be same as ZL.
So how do i know which is the sharp panel? anyway of knowing from the box? bcoz they will open it only if i buy it!
XZ brightness is fine, whatever you and the others say is exaggerations!
I just received my ZL on Friday, i must say the ZL is more comfortable to hold in my hand and screen is a bit better. sad but going to sell my Z soon
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Xperia z has infrared option...?
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gclancer said:
I just received my ZL on Friday, i must say the ZL is more comfortable to hold in my hand and screen is a bit better. sad but going to sell my Z soon
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Do you have a picture that shows the screen of the z and zl? I am quite curious because i am about to get the zl but is discouraged after reading reviews regarding the screen of the z.
Did you tried to uncheck AutoBrightness, and set the brightness level at maximum level? Doing so i found XZ to be very bright. In fact too bright for normal usage. Sony should tweak AutoBrightness in the next update. Also should discard gray theme. Replace it with black. Bad mistake that gray.
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Do you have a picture that shows the screen of the z and zl? I am quite curious because i am about to get the zl but is discouraged after reading reviews regarding the screen of the z.
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Brightness on the ZL is set to the lowest but color wise is still more vibrant than the Z
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its the second time ive seen comparisons like this, not only could the exact same screen be calibrated differently towards warmer and darker colours, (software, not hardware) but if you look closer they are different pictures, and picture colours could have been tweaked before its displayed on screen for exanple take a screen shot of wallpaper vuew it with bravia on, then do another screen pic and save as wallpaper. “Ohh! Look everyone my, my screen is more vivid and has better contrast then your screen! Yeah! You suck! Iam the winner, martin sheen is winning"
Dunno about you guys, but I don't have my brightness set up all the way on my XZ. It's too bright for my taste. 60-80%max.
Maybe thats why my battery lasts so long?
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Dunno about you guys, but I don't have my brightness set up all the way on my XZ. It's too bright for my taste. 60-80%max.
Maybe thats why my battery lasts so long?
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i leave mine @ 40% with autobrigthness "on". works well for me even under the desert sun... at noon.
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its the second time ive seen comparisons like this, not only could the exact same screen be calibrated differently towards warmer and darker colours, (software, not hardware) but if you look closer they are different pictures, and picture colours could have been tweaked before its displayed on screen for exanple take a screen shot of wallpaper vuew it with bravia on, then do another screen pic and save as wallpaper. “Ohh! Look everyone my, my screen is more vivid and has better contrast then your screen! Yeah! You suck! Iam the winner, martin sheen is winning"
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No even using live wallpapers the ZL screen looks better than XZ
Use calibration software ported from zl.
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JDC is actually the superior panel.
Please see the thread on panel identification. Someone posted comparison pics.
Sharp Panel is inferior and abysmal.
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No even using live wallpapers the ZL screen looks better than XZ
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I agree. Compared my Zl screen with three XZ screens at two different sony stores & found that ZL screen indeed has better viewing angles & colour vibrance than those on XZs. I tested same wallpaper using album app at full brightness & bravia engine enabled (adapt to light checked) in all the units. Sorry that i can't provide any photos of the same.
Hi everyone
I know that there are several topics that reviewed the device but I thought this might be useful when comparing the Z1 vs SGS4, if not please let me know and I will delete it
I just received my Xperia Z1 couple of hours ago (from EE through P4U white one) I have been playing with it and tested most things (apart from the camera)
first I was worried from the review saying the screen is bad or the battery life is poor but the phone I am holding is impressive over all
I compared it against the Xperia S and iPhone 4s and I came to quick conclusion which is if you owned any of the two and liked it you will definitely like the Z1 it is better than the two in every single aspect that you would think of (assuming you don't mind the size).
now the comparison between the Z1 and SGS4
first the phone is heavier, however, I think this is an advantage as the phone feels premium (it doesn't feel heavy to an extent that worries you that it might hurt your hand)
by looking at the devise it feels so big but comparing it with SGS4 (side by side) it is not that big. Keep in mind that this still different from one person to the other, but the size doesn't bother me.
Now with the screen
I was really worried to get poor screen, so I though I would start with it. I put both phones side by side, turned off auto brightness put them at max brightness and the surprise is the Z1 is SIGNIFICANTLY brighter than my SGS4. I then opened google search to compare the white and surprisingly, the Z1 is ALOT whiter you can easily say which is better. then searched in google images for various things and compared the images on both phones and ALWAYS the Z1 is better than the SGS4. Now I am happy.
lets move to the battery
I have played with the phone for 1 full hour, the screen was on, wifi on opened couple of websites used the camera a lettle, downloaded apps used various apps and the battery went down by ~10% which is really impressive. This means the phone would last around 10 hours of continues use (this really depends on what you are doing as different things consume different amount of the battery) but then keep in mind that the device is new and the battery tends to get better with time. now I am even happier.
now these things what worried me the most but I am perfectly happy with the phone and would recommend it to anyone. if anyone has any question please let me know and I will try to answer it for you. I will be out in a while and will be back in few hours and will try to answer questions by then.
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Hi everyone
I know that there are several topics that reviewed the device but I thought this might be useful when comparing the Z1 vs SGS4, if not please let me know and I will delete it
I just received my Xperia Z1 couple of hours ago (from EE through P4U white one) I have been playing with it and tested most things (apart from the camera)
first I was worried from the review saying the screen is bad or the battery life is poor but the phone I am holding is impressive over all
I compared it against the Xperia S and iPhone 4s and I came to quick conclusion which is if you owned any of the two and liked it you will definitely like the Z1 it is better than the two in every single aspect that you would think of (assuming you don't mind the size).
now the comparison between the Z1 and SGS4
first the phone is heavier, however, I think this is an advantage as the phone feels premium (it doesn't feel heavy to an extent that worries you that it might hurt your hand)
by looking at the devise it feels so big but comparing it with SGS4 (side by side) it is not that big. Keep in mind that this still different from one person to the other, but the size doesn't bother me.
Now with the screen
I was really worried to get poor screen, so I though I would start with it. I put both phones side by side, turned off auto brightness put them at max brightness and the surprise is the Z1 is SIGNIFICANTLY brighter than my SGS4. I then opened google search to compare the white and surprisingly, the Z1 is ALOT whiter you can easily say which is better. then searched in google images for various things and compared the images on both phones and ALWAYS the Z1 is better than the SGS4. Now I am happy.
lets move to the battery
I have played with the phone for 1 full hour, the screen was on, wifi on opened couple of websites used the camera a lettle, downloaded apps used various apps and the battery went down by ~10% which is really impressive. This means the phone would last around 10 hours of continues use (this really depends on what you are doing as different things consume different amount of the battery) but then keep in mind that the device is new and the battery tends to get better with time. now I am even happier.
now these things what worried me the most but I am perfectly happy with the phone and would recommend it to anyone. if anyone has any question please let me know and I will try to answer it for you. I will be out in a while and will be back in few hours and will try to answer questions by then.
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open a black image... turn of the lights and see it in dark... how deep black is the black... and does normal viewing angle effect the blackness.. i do not want to know unpractical viewing angle...
Thanks for info,
for camera shootout between my Z1 and 5S, http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...xperia-z1-share-you-view-on-the-better-phone/ also daily blog review of Z1 ongoing, so check out earlier posts.
jos_031 said:
open a black image... turn of the lights and see it in dark... how deep black is the black... and does normal viewing angle effect the blackness.. i do not want to know unpractical viewing angle...
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when lights off, you would see black as grey this is back lit screen where all pixels lights even black ones unlike SGS4 AMOLED where each pixel is lit on its own.
but then you won't watch a completely black screen. when you look at screen with different colors (images, videos ...etc) you won't notice the grayish black and when lights are on, the black is deep to a level similar to the SGS4 (you won't notice any difference)
viewing angle is very good ( the colors fade a bit when you look at almost flat device). In other words it stays perfect all the way until it is almost flat where the colors fade a bit which wouldn't be very noticeable and no one would even look at a device from that angle. normal angle where few people looking at the phone won't cause any issue and the image will be crystal clear.
gavinfabl said:
Thanks for info,
for camera shootout between my Z1 and 5S, http://gavinsgadgets.wordpress.com/...xperia-z1-share-you-view-on-the-better-phone/ also daily blog review of Z1 ongoing, so check out earlier posts.
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Thanks for the source. I wounder why people doing camera comparison do not include reference image (from pro cameras) because the first two images in this source, the color is slightly different between the Z1 and 5s and we can't really tell which shows the real color. Apart from that the Z1 looks brighter, sharper and with more noise while the 5s is more blurry and seems to have pink tint that I had in my previous Xperia S. So the Z1 images are not prefect but hopefully an update can improve it. Still need to test mine when I get back.
ahomad said:
Thanks for the source. I wounder why people doing camera comparison do not include reference image (from pro cameras) because the first two images in this source, the color is slightly different between the Z1 and 5s and we can't really tell which shows the real color. Apart from that the Z1 looks brighter, sharper and with more noise while the 5s is more blurry and seems to have pink tint that I had in my previous Xperia S. So the Z1 images are not prefect but hopefully an update can improve it. Still need to test mine when I get back.
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They are my photos and from my blog
So what you are saying is to take the same shots with all the phones and use a DSLR for comparison? I will say the 5S overall has more natural colours, the Z1 does sometimes blur on edges, but otherwise its a tricky one. Also Z1 will get updates from Sony to fix a number of its bugs and tweak the camera which is exciting really.
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They are my photos and from my blog
So what you are saying is to take the same shots with all the phones and use a DSLR for comparison? I will say the 5S overall has more natural colours, the Z1 does sometimes blur on edges, but otherwise its a tricky one. Also Z1 will get updates from Sony to fix a number of its bugs and tweak the camera which is exciting really.
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yup that what I meant, but you were there thats fair enough. I think sony are trying to make there images brighter in order to get better picture in low light situation, so you get brighter images but then this sometimes affect the colors. Anyway, I tested my Z1 camera (didn't compare it to SGS4), the images are good but as everyone said before, the Z1 can do alot better. Comparing the hardware between the Z1 SGS4 and iPhone 5s, the Z1 is ALOT better (bigger sensor and G-lens) however, sony were always weak in the software department but we hope (as everyone said before) that future updates make the camera performs alot better than this.
This is the app I used to test: https://play.google.com/store/apps/details?id=engn.test.screencolor&hl=en
Contrast - Black: Squares 6 and above are clearly distinguishable, 4 and 5 are just about visible
Contrast - White: All squares are distinguishable
Color Scale - Brightness: All squares are distinguishable
Color Scale - Saturation: Highest 4 squares are equally saturated on all but orange, light blue and grey
This is with an AUO panel and default white balance - I'm hoping someone with a JDI panel (or indeed another AUO) can weigh in with their observations.
what is wrong with your display then?
I have the JDI (Novatek) and confirm the same crushed black levels with Color Test and Display Tester - except that only 7 and above are distinguishable. White contrast and brightness are the same as yours, but color saturation tests vary between the two apps .... personally I trust Display Tester better, which shows blues only are moderately over-saturated.
The crushed blacks are definitely noticeable in dark scenes with or without X-Reality. The panel is quite warm compared to others, and the White Balance settings are somewhat useless since they involve an overlay filter, it seems, and so just darken the screen.
ghtop said:
I have the JDI (Novatek) and confirm the same crushed black levels with Color Test and Display Tester - except that only 7 and above are distinguishable. White contrast and brightness are the same as yours, but color saturation tests vary between the two apps .... personally I trust Display Tester better, which shows blues only are moderately over-saturated.
The crushed blacks are definitely noticeable in dark scenes with or without X-Reality. The panel is quite warm compared to others, and the White Balance settings are somewhat useless since they involve an overlay filter, it seems, and so just darken the screen.
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Yeah not too happy with the white balance setting compared to voodoo/cm colour settings on my old galaxy s, but gets the job done for the most part. Call me crazy but I like it even warmer than default
And hopefully there will be some software improvements to the display in Kitkat
how can i know if my device use JDI or AUO panel?
It says on the back of the screen
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how can i know if my device use JDI or AUO panel?
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Assuming you don't like the idea of dismantling your phone to check the back side of the panel you might want to follow my instructions in this post.
Yes Louis has the best way, sorry for my late reply, only just got my screen back in. Mines a JDI
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Z1c black w9 telenor-hungary auo-panel (no "blue" problem)
To dark, the dark areas (too high contrast/gamma), dislike me...
But, good deep-black.
Automatic background light regulation not a good idea (automatic brightness: OFF, x-reality: OFF ).
- sorry my bad english -
solution for "crushed blacks" here : http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=51945091
that's good
Darkimmortal said:
This is the app I used to test:
Contrast - Black: Squares 6 and above are clearly distinguishable, 4 and 5 are just about visible
Contrast - White: All squares are distinguishable
Color Scale - Brightness: All squares are distinguishable
Color Scale - Saturation: Highest 4 squares are equally saturated on all but orange, light blue and grey
This is with an AUO panel and default white balance - I'm hoping someone with a JDI panel (or indeed another AUO) can weigh in with their observations.
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AUO Panel here. Results are pretty much similar in mine.
Color Scale - Saturation: The last 4 squares on the right end are clearly distinguishable for all except yellow and bluish green. Just about distinguishable for the green line.
On an unrelated note, I noticed that the INDOOR brightness level on the AUO panel is getting decreased by at least 4 levels on a scale of 100, when I put the slider to the lowest end and checked 'Adapt to lighting conditions'. You can see the difference very clearly by checking and unchecking the 'adapt to light' check box. Might save some battery during indoor use or ebook reading.
XPERIA Z2 VS XPERIA Z1 SCREEN COMPARE
Link here(source):
http://www.xperiablog.net/2014/02/25/xperia-z2s-ips-display-goes-up-against-the-xperia-z1/
The viewing angles are obviously much much better on the Z2, but some of the head on shots were weird...the Z1 were actually BETTER in some of them. For example:
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xperia-Z2-display_7.jpg
the circle thingys have much more detail in the Z1.
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xperia-Z2-display_4.jpg
The water has more contrast in the Z1
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xperia-Z2-display_9.jpg
Same thing over here. Z1 is less washed out.
Is it because the Z2's screen is brighter?
kantk20111 said:
Is it because the Z2's screen is brighter?
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I think you got it. This and the fact that we are watching at photos of the respective screens rather than the displays themselves. Camera images always bring some distortion in such comparisons. Anyway, the truth remains to be seen with a naked eye. :cyclops:
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The viewing angles are obviously much much better on the Z2, but some of the head on shots were weird...the Z1 were actually BETTER in some of them. For example:
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xperia-Z2-display_7.jpg
the circle thingys have much more detail in the Z1.
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xperia-Z2-display_4.jpg
The water has more contrast in the Z1
http://www.static.xperiablog.net/wp-content/uploads/2014/02/Xperia-Z2-display_9.jpg
Same thing over here. Z1 is less washed out.
Is it because the Z2's screen is brighter?
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I think it's just because it's on the Z2 brighter screen.
Z1 looks better in some pics in terms of color. IT might also look better when facing the screen directly because of higher pixel density.
THE Z1 has an awesome screen when facing it headon, super accurate colors (more of all the IPS) ecc ecc... so head on it should be on par with the Z2...
Hey guys,
I am thinking of buying one of this mobiles. They both seems very good, got 3GB of RAM, big display (i want some bigger phone), but.... I am wondering which one have better display and which one got better battery. This is probably the most important for me.
If someone have more experience and use some of this i would appreciate your thinking.
Thanks in advance.
Note 4
Luckily for you, I've owned both phones since the month each got released.
Note 4:
Pros- bigger battery ( I've noticed slightly longer battery life)
- outstanding screen
- Pen
- Removable battery
- dont need to turn off phone to remove micro sd
- Ir blaster
- plethora of cases/accessories
Cons:
- Phone sometimes feels cumbersome to use
- Touchwiz sucks
Xperia z5
Pros:
- Sexy as hell
- Waterproof
- Normal screen size
- Camera button
Cons:
- Back gets warm pretty quick
- Doesn't have any of the pros listed for note 4
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Get the note. Every time I use my note 4 for something I notice how much crisper the screen is, and I hate not having that on the Xperia. Samsung did a really good job packing a ton of features in the note 4 and the screen will keep it future-proof longer than the Xperia. I actually prefer the note 4 to note 5. ( buy the unlocked version and install note 5 rom on it, you'll get the note 4's removable back + new software)
I also owned both and I should say Z5 screen is way superior to note 4.at least mine.I still have note 4 and can answer questions if you have any.
PS:note is easier to root and flash CM if you care.I had to return my Z5 because of lack of root for locked BL.I'm back to my Z2 and N4 is collecting dust.lol.
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Man,
Thanks a lot for this brief.
I always think that Sony have better display, probably because I am a big fan of Sony. But now when I see that Note wins bots display and battery I will for sure go for Note 4.
Just one more thing, because i am not that kind good with android and software. When you installed new custom rom to Note 4 you had no bugs or something like that? I found on forums that it can be very bad doing this so i need your opinion?
Thanks in advance!
Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
I would still choose Z5 but for different reasons: 1 performance, note 4 has a weaker cpu and gpu, z5 camera is more sophisticated than note 4 camera except z5 camera has no OIS and lacks several manual functions, but me and many others can live with that, Z5 has real radio, Z5 has water proof support and z5 has dedicated camera button.
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So many different opinions.
@ TheWarKeeper
Can you please tell me your experience with battery. I need it for my job and i am using a lot of calls, email-s, social networks.... Can it last at least one day.
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Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
I would still choose Z5 but for different reasons: 1 performance, note 4 has a weaker cpu and gpu, z5 camera is more sophisticated than note 4 camera except z5 camera has no OIS and lacks several manual functions, but me and many others can live with that, Z5 has real radio, Z5 has water proof support and z5 has dedicated camera button.
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It's not black and white. LCDs can and tend to be able to display proper white (sometimes you need to tweak it via white balance settings but YOU can have it unlike OLEDs) while OLEDs tend to have difficulty with it and never truly achieves proper whites and you have to calibrate with time due to OLEDs organic nature. But in contrary OLEDs displays deep blacks due to switching of the organic pixel (LCDs cant switch of becouse the R G B channels are just filters on top of the backlight). White is more important though as that is what is used most in apps, themes and so on. And due to the OLED being organic the blue, red and green pixel component each have a life length and blue has less than the other 2 which means having bright/white things displayed on your OLED would shorten the blue components life length faster resulting in uneven colors on the screen, "burn-ins" and it just gets worse with time.
LCDs dont have this problem becouse the only thing you lose with time is the brightness due to the backlight getting worn and so you can compensate by increasing brightness intensity. And Sony TFT and IPS LCD for their Z1+ lineup comes with Triluminos which adds an extra component to help the pixels and extends the color range to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC color profile which is far more than a regular LCD can do giving rich and accurate colors that without problems rivals OLEDs while still being proper and true to life without typical OLED oversaturation. Triluminos also helps with the black but cant rival OLEDs 'pixel switching off' blacks.
Now latest OLEDs from Samsung does better than older but they still tend to oversaturate since they also can display beyond standard sRGB color scheme that is the standard but cant really accomodate to it like an LCD with Triluminos can due to its organic nature and how it works.
You want precision that holds for years and proper white you go with Z5 but if you want deep blacks, "popping" colors and less precision you go with OLED. OLEDs also have better response time but that would mostly only be of importance if you play games at fast framerates.
In my opinion, you should also consider the UI of Samsung and Sony because TouchWiz (Samsung UI) is notorious for lagging as months passed by and when multitasking, while Sony UI is always smooth and rarely lags. :good:
I had a Note 4 before getting a Z5P. Stock Samsung is garbage. You have to look into AOSP/CM for the Note 4 and it may not be 100% stable. The Note 4's camera is definitely though. Z5 camera is only good on paper but in real world situation Note 4 wins easily. Z5 has way too many pixels can't produce a good image unless the source is extremely well lit.
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It's not black and white. LCDs can and tend to be able to display proper white (sometimes you need to tweak it via white balance settings but YOU can have it unlike OLEDs) while OLEDs tend to have difficulty with it and never truly achieves proper whites and you have to calibrate with time due to OLEDs organic nature. But in contrary OLEDs displays deep blacks due to switching of the organic pixel (LCDs cant switch of becouse the R G B channels are just filters on top of the backlight). White is more important though as that is what is used most in apps, themes and so on. And due to the OLED being organic the blue, red and green pixel component each have a life length and blue has less than the other 2 which means having bright/white things displayed on your OLED would shorten the blue components life length faster resulting in uneven colors on the screen, "burn-ins" and it just gets worse with time.
LCDs dont have this problem becouse the only thing you lose with time is the brightness due to the backlight getting worn and so you can compensate by increasing brightness intensity. And Sony TFT and IPS LCD for their Z1+ lineup comes with Triluminos which adds an extra component to help the pixels and extends the color range to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC color profile which is far more than a regular LCD can do giving rich and accurate colors that without problems rivals OLEDs while still being proper and true to life without typical OLED oversaturation. Triluminos also helps with the black but cant rival OLEDs 'pixel switching off' blacks.
Now latest OLEDs from Samsung does better than older but they still tend to oversaturate since they also can display beyond standard sRGB color scheme that is the standard but cant really accomodate to it like an LCD with Triluminos can due to its organic nature and how it works.
You want precision that holds for years and proper white you go with Z5 but if you want deep blacks, "popping" colors and less precision you go with OLED. OLEDs also have better response time but that would mostly only be of importance if you play games at fast framerates.
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The problems with white balance for oled displays are long gone, those issues were only present in the first few oled screens ever produced because back then the organic material for red and green were degrading at a different level than the blue.
My Galaxy S6 has the purest white any LCD dreams of and also a much bigger color gamut, also it has a fraction of the pixel response time of any gaming tft lcd out there producing less ghosting and blurring when in motion, on top of the pure blacks as you acknowledged also.
As for the over saturation, the oversaturation comes by default to boast the contrast capabilities of the oled screens, normally found in test units, my galaxy s6 for example came out of the box with such a toned down saturation that nobody would even dare to call it an OLED, but anytime i want to enable eye popping colours i just change the color scheme from the display settings itself.
Theres no reason to vote for a LCD anymore, except if you are concered about buying a monitor/tv thats always ON and not bothered with image quality, then LCD is best as it doesnt suffer from burn in issues, or color degradation, but frankly thats just about it.
EDIT: i also forgot to mention that the best LCD screen ive ever come across in any phone was the Xperia Z1 Compact screen, perfect color reproduction at everything, which put Xperia Z2, Xperia Z3 (both normal and compact) and Xperia Z5(Again, both normal and compact) screens to shame.
So for me the Xperia Z5 screens are dissapointing and white balance by default is over the top, too much RED, to calibrate it properly youll loose other screen abilities.
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TedNall said:
So many different opinions.
@ TheWarKeeper
Can you please tell me your experience with battery. I need it for my job and i am using a lot of calls, email-s, social networks.... Can it last at least one day.
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The phone should last a day as long as you dont push it and dont enable brightness to maximum all the time.
If it doesnt well, you can always get a pocket charger as the competition of z5 will last only a slightly more time which is negligible.
I would choose the Xperia Z5 over the note 4 anyday though, its a great phone and it wont dissapoint any average user.
Xperia Z5 only dissapoints enthusiasts like myself but not because of its quality, quality is great, but because of DRM and locked features which makes no sense beying locked.
What are you guys talking about? Note 4 has one of the best screens on the market. Near perfect white balance (6562K) and 99% Adobe RGB. Just use Photo Mode. Adaptive Display mode is over saturated but optional.
http://www.displaymate.com/Galaxy_Note4_ShootOut_1.htm
Also color burn is an old issue from Galaxy Nexus devices and earlier. Samsung displays have burn-in protection.
Moving from Note 4 to Z5P was definitely a downgrade in color accuracy and white balance, but upgrade in pixels. I honestly thought I would care more, but I actually don't. I rather have no screen door effect in VR and higher resolution. Now if Samsung released a 4K AMOLED screen...
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The problems with white balance for oled displays are long gone, those issues were only present in the first few oled screens ever produced because back then the organic material for red and green were degrading at a different level than the blue.
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They still suffer from uneven colors and shades over the display.
My Galaxy S6 has the purest white any LCD dreams of and also a much bigger color gamut, also it has a fraction of the pixel response time of any gaming tft lcd out there producing less ghosting and blurring when in motion, on top of the pure blacks as you acknowledged also.
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The whites are though life dependant and Triluminos widens the color gamut to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC profile.
As for the over saturation, the oversaturation comes by default to boast the contrast capabilities of the oled screens, normally found in test units, my galaxy s6 for example came out of the box with such a toned down saturation that nobody would even dare to call it an OLED, but anytime i want to enable eye popping colours i just change the color scheme from the display settings itself.
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Interesting. So kind of cheating for tests/demoing regarding readability as you cant have both maximum readability and accurate colors.
Theres no reason to vote for a LCD anymore, except if you are concered about buying a monitor/tv thats always ON and not bothered with image quality, then LCD is best as it doesnt suffer from burn in issues, or color degradation, but frankly thats just about it.
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The highlighted part goes against your first comment. All 3 color channels degrade independantly of each other based on what is displayed and how colors are used. Blue is still used the most.
EDIT: i also forgot to mention that the best LCD screen ive ever come across in any phone was the Xperia Z1 Compact screen, perfect color reproduction at everything, which put Xperia Z2, Xperia Z3 (both normal and compact) and Xperia Z5(Again, both normal and compact) screens to shame.
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I have not tunned the Z5c LCD but it does actually for my unit use to much blue. Though my Z1 has near perfect white balance with minimal tweaks aswell as boosting impressive contrast, top notch color reproduction and good viewing angles. For being a TFT LCD with Triluminos it is quite close to IPS LCD regarding viewing angles except when brightness on displayed material goes above a certain threshold but immensly better than a regular TFT LCD. I have a JDI panel btw.
So for me the Xperia Z5 screens are dissapointing and white balance by default is over the top, too much RED, to calibrate it properly youll loose other screen abilities.
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Strangely enough it either goes for to much red or blue. Maybe panels come with different "qualities" and/or different assembly fabrics and quality. As long as you dont have to 'mute' a color channel to much to get good whites it should be OK else you lose brightness and contrast.
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CLShortFuse said:
I had a Note 4 before getting a Z5P. Stock Samsung is garbage. You have to look into AOSP/CM for the Note 4 and it may not be 100% stable. The Note 4's camera is definitely though. Z5 camera is only good on paper but in real world situation Note 4 wins easily. Z5 has way too many pixels can't produce a good image unless the source is extremely well lit.
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Aint as clear cut as you think regarding the camera.
http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...v10-galaxy-note-5-nexus-6p-camera-comparison/
EQ2000 said:
Aint as clear cut as you think regarding the camera.
http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...v10-galaxy-note-5-nexus-6p-camera-comparison/
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The camera is really bad in real world situations. Despite what you read in reviews that only test extremely bright or extremely dark environments, taking photos at home or indoors is pointless. People's faces will look like they were smeared with peanut butter. http://imgur.com/0OhbSaq
It performs worse http://imgur.com/Pfd76nR than my Note 4 http://i.imgur.com/wOvr0kl.png in indoor lighting, which means the camera was a straight-up downgrade for me. I don't bother trying to take pictures unless they're daylight or I can use flash which, to make matters worse, is still extremely weak. This all seems like extremely crappy postprocessing smudging pixels together and there's no way to turn it off since there's no RAW support.
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The camera is really bad in real world situations. Despite what you read in reviews that only test extremely bright or extremely dark environments, taking photos at home or indoors is pointless. People's faces will look like they were smeared with peanut butter. http://imgur.com/0OhbSaq
It performs worse http://imgur.com/Pfd76nR than my Note 4 http://i.imgur.com/wOvr0kl.png in indoor lighting, which means the camera was a straight-up downgrade for me. I don't bother trying to take pictures unless they're daylight or I can use flash which, to make matters worse, is still extremely weak. This all seems like extremely crappy postprocessing smudging pixels together and there's no way to turn it off since there's no RAW support.
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I own the Z5c and cant relate to what you are sayinh although it sure needs some white balance and algorithm tweaking. In your photo comparision it looks like the Z5 photo was taken with zoom and possibly older firmware vs just a crop from the Note 4. Without ISO and shutter speed info it's also quite pointless "comparision". Exif would show it zoom was used and much more. I can say though that not even with ISO 6400 in low light does my Z5c produce such bad image quality. Only with zoom.
And the test I linked to is properly done with information and different scenes with different lighting conditions unlinke the "tests" by random people on the interwebs posting photos without exif data nor information and croppings where you have no orignal fullsize photo as reference either. Who has more credibility, that test or your "test"? Anyway it's pretty much settled in stone that the Z5 is better.
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I own the Z5c and cant relate to what you are sayinh although it sure needs some white balance and algorithm tweaking. In your photo comparision it looks like the Z5 photo was taken with zoom and possibly older firmware vs just a crop from the Note 4. Without ISO and shutter speed info it's also quite pointless "comparision". Exif would show it zoom was used and much more. I can say though that not even with ISO 6400 in low light does my Z5c produce such bad image quality. Only with zoom.
And the test I linked to is properly done with information and different scenes with different lighting conditions unlinke the "tests" by random people on the interwebs posting photos without exif data nor information and croppings where you have no orignal fullsize photo as reference either. Who has more credibility, that test or your "test"? Anyway it's pretty much settled in stone that the Z5 is better.
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And you missed the point...
The point is, these are real world samples. The first shot was me at a wedding. Yeah, it's zoomed, but not the point. The point is the heavy smearing of pixels the post processor does, ruining the quality, just because to Sony all noise is bad.
The second was my Note 4 and Z5P both taking a picture at the exact same distance of something I have at home in dim lighting. The Z5 is straight up worst and if you can't see that, that's some serious " fanboyism" there. And yeah, my Z5P running 6.200, so no, it's not an "older firmware." You don't need EXIF data to see the point I'm making. In dim lighting, the Z5 severely underperforms. But you rather believe my sharing of these photos is part of some conspiracy to maliciously fake a comparison so the Note 4 is better go right ahead.
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Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
Well then.check it from the mouth of note 4 users.The quality control is aweful as it was with N3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
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TheWarKeeper said:
Lol, comparing an OLED display vs any LCD display and pretending that LCDS can be on par or better than OLED displays is so dillusional its actually funny!
Well then.check it from the mouth of note 4 users.The quality control is aweful as it was with N3.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/note-4/general/note4-amoled-screen-quality-t2906365
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Thanks for the link! This pretty much validates my points about OLED flaws.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-replacement-s6-due-to-screen-t3074865/page95
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They still suffer from uneven colors and shades over the display.
The whites are though life dependant and Triluminos widens the color gamut to 85% of Adobe RGB 1998 ICC profile.
Interesting. So kind of cheating for tests/demoing regarding readability as you cant have both maximum readability and accurate colors.
The highlighted part goes against your first comment. All 3 color channels degrade independantly of each other based on what is displayed and how colors are used. Blue is still used the most.
I have not tunned the Z5c LCD but it does actually for my unit use to much blue. Though my Z1 has near perfect white balance with minimal tweaks aswell as boosting impressive contrast, top notch color reproduction and good viewing angles. For being a TFT LCD with Triluminos it is quite close to IPS LCD regarding viewing angles except when brightness on displayed material goes above a certain threshold but immensly better than a regular TFT LCD. I have a JDI panel btw.
Strangely enough it either goes for to much red or blue. Maybe panels come with different "qualities" and/or different assembly fabrics and quality. As long as you dont have to 'mute' a color channel to much to get good whites it should be OK else you lose brightness and contrast.
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Aint as clear cut as you think regarding the camera.
http://www.manilashaker.com/sony-xp...v10-galaxy-note-5-nexus-6p-camera-comparison/
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Ok well it makes me think that you didnt own a proper OLED phone, maybe you did own a bad one in the past and the screen was crap (defective).
First of all, OLED screens do not result in color saturation shift when degrading because the software inside their panel drivers automatically correct the color shifting, (my galaxy s2 still has top notch colors).
As for the cheating, i have no idea what you mean by that, you can saturate the colors or desaturate them at your will, i dont know what cheating is involved because there isnt any cheating at all xD
I have tuned my Xperia Z5 screen and i had to keep red to minimum and blue and green almost to max to get a proper white balance, doing so, resulted in severly desaturated colors and bad luminosity (as the panel software disallows maximum brightness values when colors are calibrated).
I never liked the Xperia Z1 screen, a small tilt resulted in horrid washed out colors, Xperia Z1 Compact is a completely different beast with the best IPS panel ive ever seen in any phone 1800:1 contrast ratio (native)!
As for that complaint in the note 4 forums, its obvious that the user of that phone suffers from the typical defective screens that samsung fails to stop at production, uneven color or tints of any kind on the screen is not a characteristic of an oled screen, its a characteristic of a defective unit, i have to change 2 galaxy s6 untill i got 1 with perfect colours, i had to change 1 galaxy s2 to get the good screen and the galaxy s4 i got it with perfect color reproduction from start.
Finally, LCD screens were always the worst type of screens in term of image quality and color fidelity, even at professional image editing level which means wasting thousands of dollars on a proper IPS LCD screen, professionals were never really satisfied with its color reproduction and instead choose to use old school CRT monitors (myself included).
The only reasons why LCDs are successfull is because of good marketing, they suck at color accuracy, they suck at pixel response time and they suck at image definition. (My OLD Sony CRT ran 75hertz at 2048x1536)
It was a joy to use in any type of situation, movies, playing games and image editing software.
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Ok well it makes me think that you didnt own a proper OLED phone, maybe you did own a bad one in the past and the screen was crap (defective).
First of all, OLED screens do not result in color saturation shift when degrading because the software inside their panel drivers automatically correct the color shifting, (my galaxy s2 still has top notch colors).
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You still lose luminosty and or/color representation quality when correcting the other channels to lowest common denominator uniformly. S2, S3 and played with S4 and S5. The former ones wher just horrible. You could almost spot the pentile matrix design and colors overly saturated. "Eye bleeders"! :laugh:
As for the cheating, i have no idea what you mean by that, you can saturate the colors or desaturate them at your will, i dont know what cheating is involved because there isnt any cheating at all xD
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Contrast ratio tests which is what is mostly looked at compared to proper color output.
I have tuned my Xperia Z5 screen and i had to keep red to minimum and blue and green almost to max to get a proper white balance, doing so, resulted in severly desaturated colors and bad luminosity (as the panel software disallows maximum brightness values when colors are calibrated).
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You mean you had to set green and blue close to 255? That sounds like your screen is way off. I might look into mine later and see how much it needs to be tweaked via the white balance setting.
I never liked the Xperia Z1 screen, a small tilt resulted in horrid washed out colors, Xperia Z1 Compact is a completely different beast with the best IPS panel ive ever seen in any phone 1800:1 contrast ratio (native)!
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Well then that was the AUO panel. They made an ugly one by having different panels. I got the good one, JDI and I can tilt it and have very close results to that of an IPS LCD as long as the displayed graphics aint overly bright (lots of white) where it then performs worse but then I am talking about extreme viewing angles. Btw OLED also looses quality when tilting at sides and has 'color switching' and black suffers (if pixels aint switched off).
Finally, LCD screens were always the worst type of screens in term of image quality and color fidelity, even at professional image editing level which means wasting thousands of dollars on a proper IPS LCD screen, professionals were never really satisfied with its color reproduction and instead choose to use old school CRT monitors (myself included).
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Still better than having uneven colors and blotches. Nothing worse than having a display that looks like a CRT that has been abused with a magnet (not as bad though but still!).
The only reasons why LCDs are successfull is because of good marketing, they suck at color accuracy, they suck at pixel response time and they suck at image definition. (My OLD Sony CRT ran 75hertz at 2048x1536)
It was a joy to use in any type of situation, movies, playing games and image editing software.
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Well I did wait for the longest before switching to LCD from a CRT. Loved my Sony Trinitron monitor. Atleast it failed with pride.
As for that complaint in the note 4 forums, its obvious that the user of that phone suffers from the typical defective screens that samsung fails to stop at production, uneven color or tints of any kind on the screen is not a characteristic of an oled screen, its a characteristic of a defective unit, i have to change 2 galaxy s6 untill i got 1 with perfect colours, i had to change 1 galaxy s2 to get the good screen and the galaxy s4 i got it with perfect color reproduction from start.
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Right.. 3 on a row, 5 on a row, most/all retail store display units.. Then going by what you say Samsung has horrible QA for their OLED displays and you are in for a ride in the lottery. Tons of people in the 95 page thread going through multiple units all with the pink/green blotches with varying severity. Pretty few getting a rplacement display that has none. All showing some color hues and some reporting it going worse by time. You even got a video showing differences in white point color to at same display color settings!
I even checked at local mobile phone store and S6, Note 5 units had color blotches on a white background. Some better some worse but still there.
Just Google it.
https://www.google.com/search?q=s6+...en&ie=UTF-8&gws_rd=cr&ei=91W2VuCDMseyO9WDq7gB
http://forum.xda-developers.com/galaxy-s6-edge/help/pink-tint-near-screen-t3081656
http://forum.xda-developers.com/gal...-replacement-s6-due-to-screen-t3074865/page95
https://www.buyfromwhere.com/galaxy-s6-the-ugly-truth-about-its-screen/
Lots of users getting this with hard evidence to prove it. #Pink#Gate
You guys looks like one work at Samsung and one at Sony ??