I just got my Moto X Pure Edition (THIS one) and I really want to root it and get all the things I had with my G3 and back when I had an JB'd iPhone 4s, but my experience with the G3 was terrible.
I ended up having to RMA it 4 times through my insurance because there was something I was using on the G3 that slowed it to a vista-esque pace, and despite lots of reading on this site and others I managed to brick it :silly: 4 times :silly: in 4 different ways just trying to put it back to stock. It cost me far too much money but I was stupid enough to keep trying before finally settling on stock to avoid more issues.
I love this new phone, but I know I could tweak it more to what I like and from what it looks like in Heisenberg's Guide it is fairly safe and simple as far as roots go. I feel so stupid having screwed up with the LG that I don't want to try it. I'm a CS major and I've spent so much time messing with all sorts of things I never thought it would be a problem.
So my question is, within the realm of using Xposed and a few root apps/functions (no custom ROMs or anything just because I can't afford not having a phone for a week if I ruin it again), is it relatively safe to root the X Pure and are these tools (Universal Tool, Restore to stock tool) or a manual set of steps a good bet for returning to stock and removing root? I just want to make sure if I end up over my head I can get back to stock and be happy with what is already a great phone. Sorry if I sound like a huge _____ but I'm still in school and I want to avoid further grief as best I can.
From what I've been hearing, the 808 is a tricky processor... Besides xposed and regular terminal code changes, such as screen density, you should be good. Although, if your going in and messing with code idk what to say, experienced devs are even having a tough time getting this thing to boot on their custom ROMs...
You probably shouldn't mess with your phones anymore.
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Another thing just to keep in mind when talking people about your qualifications, saying you are getting your Computer Science degree is pretty broad. First, we don't know what year you're in and second we don't know your concentration. I have a BBA for instance. A BBA in what though? If I went applying to random jobs, or trying to network that would leave more questions than answers. What do I have a BBA in? Well mine is in Management, so yes I can do basic accounting, financing, marketing, but my concentration is being able to interpret financial data and making decisions that would benefit a company or organization. Does that make me advanced enough to be an accountant, even though we both have BBAs? Hell no! Same goes for CS. You may be getting your computer science degree, but are you majoring in Network Security, Hardware, C++, Java, Oracle, etc... There is so much information missing that just stating "I'm getting my CS degree" isn't enough for anyone to give you a solid answer, especially not knowing what year you are in. If you are a junior, then you've just barely scratched the surface of what you will be studying for the next 2 years. Just a little FYI for future sakes :thumbup:
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Well that's helpful.
Didn't think to specify, my bad, yeah I'm just a junior and I feel like I haven't learned much in the way of things. I just want to get a few small things from xposed and others, no plans on changing anything myself
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You bricked 4 G3s. It's time to find a new hobby. I suggest one that doesn't include the destruction of expensive electronics.
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I own Oneplus One and rooted immediately with blisspop rom. I can't use phn without root access coz almost all ma apps need root permission. Yes its risky to root a costly device but if u need it so desperately den u should definitely root it....
Again, thanks for the positive input. I bricked them following the stock flashing methods on this website, I wasn't just shooting in the dark. And out of another half dozen phones I've only ever had an issue with the G3. Can you not? I'd like to learn here, not argue.
U having plm installing recovery on ur g3???
When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.
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When it comes to just simply rooting and installing xposed, I don't see how you can brick it following step by step instructions. I will say this. If you brick it and you can't figure out how to get it back to stock, Motorola has made it clear you're on your own. So there's that, but using a simple toolkit can make a worlds difference in preventing mistakes. Yes, you'll feel like an amateur, and let's be honest, you are right now, but it beats losing $400.
You also just got it and you have no idea if you have any hardware issues that many have had to RMA within the first week for. So maybe sitting on it for a week or 2 couldn't hurt to eliminate that possibility as well (Bad CPU/GPU, Speaker, Light Leakage, loose parts when shaken, excess battery drain/heat, and turbo charge randomly not working, etc.). Motorola/Lenovo were at first being lenient about replacing these even with unlocked bootloaders and even giving people a month to send these back, they are wising up and change the rules since people have been making such a big fuss about the bootloader thing, and posting about the one month holding time (now I've read recently it's 3 days?), so just be careful, that's all.
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Sounds like a solid plan. With the G3 rooting was always easy but the only known way that I had found for the t mobile model was to use the LG flashing tool that looked a lot like the one they used in-house to restore it, and despite following a pretty straightforward guide there were 3 different errors I got right towards the end of the process that would lock the phone in a download mode state. After using TWRP to get it back to being usable I'd still be stuck with root, and trying a few other ways would screw me.
As far as using the tools, are the 2 I linked in the OP the proper ones to be using? I'll definitely hold off on it for a while to make sure nothing comes up, thanks for that info. I'm guessing the 2 year protection plan is moot if I'm stuck with no way to erase evidence of a software issue arising from root, so that's a thing to think about as well. Do you know if unlocking the bootloader voids that protection plan? I'm looking for the TOS.
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I could not have said this any better.
Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.
I have always rooted my phones from my original HTC incredible, galaxy nexus, HTC DNA, and HTC ONE M8... that being said I am very familiar with HTC and how they work and I always had the HTC RUU file ready in case of emergency but never had to use it. I'm not sure if Motorola has a RUU file or a Fastboot IMG like Nexus devices that can bring your phone back from the dead as this is my first Moto because I never wanted to deal with the encrypted bootloader on the VZW moto phones.
I honestly can say that I have been finding root less and less needed since my M8 and I dont think I will unlock or root my Pure Edition.
The reason is that there is no bloat that I cant get rid of, I see no need for a custom kernel since the newer processors are really fast, it basically runs stock android so its not bogged down by Sense or touchwiz.
I honestly can say I like the minor additions Moto has made with the Pure Edition... I have used exposed and I really dont see the use for most of its functions for more than a week before its just gimmicky.
Once updates are stopped or the Development community is way ahead of OTA updates we will still have an easy OEM process to unlock root and flash. But for now I'm sticking with what I paid for... The Moto experience
My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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If you follow step by step instruction you will be ok.... I have rooted tons of phones and bricked a couple but was able to fix them. Its a chance you take but hey if you mess up it is a excuse to get a new cell lol. But honestly your streak with rooting is bad, maybe you shouldn't try anymore.
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Judging from the attitudes of you two it's a wonder I stopped using this forum. Thanks fellas, really shows the quality of the community here.
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I'm sorry I offended you. Based on your history I think it a bad idea for you to mess with your phone. Not what you wanted to hear but I honestly think it's the truth. Not all computer science majors can handle phone tech. How many of your classmates have iPhones? How many of them with Android phones root?
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My favorite XDA line in ages, "I feel I haven't learned much in the way of things"
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Come on, don't pigeon hole everyone on XDA. You had to have known you were going to receive some sarcastic replies. That's like Plaxico Burress asking what kind of gun he should buy next. The consensus here seems to be genuine. You shouldn't mess with root anymore but it's your money. Thing is, rooting is not hard and not dangerous if you follow directions closely, yet you've managed to brick several devices. I rooted my phone to install Xposed but due to battery issues I have stopped using it. Look in the Xposed thread for more info. I would say just wait, its not worth it now IMO.
IMO, the only reason to root is to install AdAway.
Can't stand Ads. But other than that, the experience that Motorola has set up for us is perfect. I won't be adding anything else like Xposed, or install a custom ROM until I get bored with my phone, which will probably be in another six months. I've set myself up with an unlocked bootloader and root for when the time comes though. But for now, I'm happy.
I gotta say that to me (sophmore in college as a Biology major, completely unrelated to compsci), it seems pretty hard to brick a phone just trying to root it. Especially with the very detailed guides that Hesisenberg has set up for us, thank that man.
You gotta decide if what you plan on doing with your root is worth it though. I spent about 1.5 hours rooting my phone, and I'm not even sure that the time was worth AdAway.
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From what I gather from trolling on both XDA and the Tmo forums this update is bricking phones regardless of root, voodoo, ocfl, kernel perhaps people should avoid the update pending a more in depth investigation of what exactly is going on. If gps is needed flash the JI2 files found here and that should hold you over for now. This is a worse problem than the ones that came in the captivate and the sprint galaxy s.
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I updated manually through odin and it worked just fine. I first went back to stock and started fresh. Gps test found six birds and locked on four thats the best I ever had sitting in front of my doorstep in a heavily wooded area. It would usually find at the most two and would not lock to any. So far so good.
Only speaking for myself.... I flashed it and it's fine. I hope this isn't just a bunch of people freaking out that phone stays at the Galaxy S splash screen for a while and remove the battery or something, thereby f*cking up something. But I don't doubt you.
How to fix your phone and apply the update:http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=803492
My concern comes from the overwhelming amount of people that seem to have that problem I for one I'm going to play it safe and wait til a stable rom based on this release is well released.
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Only speaking for myself.... I flashed it and it's fine. I hope this isn't just a bunch of people freaking out that phone stays at the Galaxy S splash screen for a while and remove the battery or something, thereby f*cking up something. But I don't doubt you.
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It wasn't hanging on the Galaxy S splash screen. It was hanging at the Vibrant screen. The logcat clearly shows an endlessly looping segfault.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8525623#post8525623
I have an excerpt of the log, which is similar to another user who had the same issue.
Points of commonality so far with another user who had stock + root + brick is we both disabled the boot sounds + titanium backup + rom manager.
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My concern comes from the overwhelming amount of people that seem to have that problem I for one I'm going to play it safe and wait til a stable rom based on this release is well released.
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Considering that the people who contribute to the XDA and T-mobile forums represent a fraction of the installed base, "overwhelming" may be an overstatement.
"Lots" of people also report successful installs.
i flashed through odin, so did my roomie, and his friend got the ota. everything went smoothly. i think that we are not hearing nearly as many people that the update went well compared to those who have had issues. we all had root, blackbar mod, mobile ap, captivate camera, and i had gps from ji5. no problems. do a nandroid and put it in a safe place then go for it.
Worked fine for me as well.
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From what I gather from trolling on both XDA and the Tmo forums this update is bricking phones regardless of root, voodoo, ocfl, kernel perhaps people should avoid the update pending a more in depth investigation of what exactly is going on. If gps is needed flash the JI2 files found here and that should hold you over for now. This is a worse problem than the ones that came in the captivate and the sprint galaxy s.
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The only people who should probably avoid the JI6 OTA, are people who fail to understand they have a responsibility for their own potential grief when they mod their phones in ways T-Mobile and Samsung cannot easily account for.
Granted we should hold T-Mobile's butt to the fire if their OTA is indeed soft bricking or hard bricking bone stock unmodified phones, but I don't see any clear evidence of this at all. And it's not too surprising either, as very few people who come here have bone stock devices, and fewer still are willing to revert to bone stock simply to test.
Rather what I see are people utilizing these wonderful forums to do wonderful things to their phones without having to have developed anything remotely approaching a keen understanding of what they've actually done. It's ridiculously easy to mod these phones without having the first clue what you're doing. This leads to many mis-perceptions which easily turn into noise.
There is a level of responsibility you have to take upon yourself if you're going to participate actively in modifying your device. For some it's just easier to deny this responsibility and quest for someone to blame. That may not always be the case, but it's clearly taking place with some few people over this OTA.
Agreed. We are an incredibly tiny segment of the universe of smartphone users out there. The vast majority of people buy an iPhone or Android make calls, sync their contacts and calendar, surf the web, email and text. If you started talking about rooting or jailbreaking they'd look at you like you're insane. The people rooting and modding their phones are a tiny minority, and we assume all the risk when we do it because this is not normal and customary use of the phone. Most people use their phones stock, and people who don't are assuming the risk of things going bad.
I'm fairly convinced after the Captivate OTA fiasco that you put your phone at real risk of not being able to get successful OTAs if you flash custom ROMs or kernels. The deepest I'm willing to go is rooting and lagfixing, but even then I know I'm playing with uncertainty.
masterotaku said:
The only people who should probably avoid the JI6 OTA, are people who fail to understand they have a responsibility for their own potential grief when they mod their phones in ways T-Mobile and Samsung cannot easily account for.
Granted we should hold T-Mobile's butt to the fire if their OTA is indeed soft bricking or hard bricking bone stock unmodified phones, but I don't see any clear evidence of this at all. And it's not too surprising either, as very few people who come here have bone stock devices, and fewer still are willing to revert to bone stock simply to test.
Rather what I see are people utilizing these wonderful forums to do wonderful things to their phones without having to have developed anything remotely approaching a keen understanding of what they've actually done. It's ridiculously easy to mod these phones without having the first clue what you're doing. This leads to many mis-perceptions which easily turn into noise.
There is a level of responsibility you have to take upon yourself if you're going to participate actively in modifying your device. For some it's just easier to deny this responsibility and quest for someone to blame. That may not always be the case, but it's clearly taking place with some few people over this OTA.
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+1 to one of the most cogent comments I have ever seen here.
One footnote about the risks for ordinary end users: If T-Mobile's OTA process bricks a stock phone, apparently the carrier's typical procedure is to replace the phone. If the phone is not stock, the customer is probably on his own for a remedy. Pottery Barn rules are real. Smarphones are not cheap, and having your phone number tied to this handheld computer (or at least the carrier) by contract makes device failure harder to cope with.
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Agreed. We are an incredibly tiny segment of the universe of smartphone users out there. The vast majority of people buy an iPhone or Android make calls, sync their contacts and calendar, surf the web, email and text. If you started talking about rooting or jailbreaking they'd look at you like you're insane. The people rooting and modding their phones are a tiny minority, and we assume all the risk when we do it because this is not normal and customary use of the phone. Most people use their phones stock, and people who don't are assuming the risk of things going bad.
I'm fairly convinced after the Captivate OTA fiasco that you put your phone at real risk of not being able to get successful OTAs if you flash custom ROMs or kernels. The deepest I'm willing to go is rooting and lagfixing, but even then I know I'm playing with uncertainty.
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I've flashed this phone more times than I can count at this point. Soft bricked it at least a dozen times. But all that self imposed grief has got me to where I am now, where I can (hopefully) reliably recover from just about anything. I still cross my fingers every time I crank up Odin3 v1.3, but I no longer visibly sweat!
We're fortunate in that these phones are surprisingly difficult to hard brick for the most part, and that given a bit of legwork one can recover from nearly any bad scenario.
It's better to flash stock ROM and then JI6 ROM manually like me and it works for me like a charm !
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It wasn't hanging on the Galaxy S splash screen. It was hanging at the Vibrant screen. The logcat clearly shows an endlessly looping segfault.
http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?p=8525623#post8525623
I have an excerpt of the log, which is similar to another user who had the same issue.
Points of commonality so far with another user who had stock + root + brick is we both disabled the boot sounds + titanium backup + rom manager.
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Then I don't know if what I'm about to tell you or not, but I have and use Titanium Backup and ROM Manager. Odin went through smoothly. That leaves the boot sound as the culprit. Had a couple of things metamorphed as well as mobile AP and the GPS files from JI2 installed, if that helps.
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Then I don't know if what I'm about to tell you or not, but I have and use Titanium Backup and ROM Manager. Odin went through smoothly. That leaves the boot sound as the culprit. Had a couple of things metamorphed as well as mobile AP and the GPS files from JI2 installed, if that helps.
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Even though you installed ROM manager, have you used it to install Recovery? Did you have a current ROM backup update.zip file created on your internal sdcard?
I'm just gonna throw my 2 cents in here...i did the update over an edge network and everything was fine..I have rooted then unroot and the ocl
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Whats the probability of bricking my phone if I root it and install some apps vs rooting it and installing roms? I tried to look around for info on this and found an article on another site that says it's kind hard to brick a phone since there are 3 safety measures in place? Sorry, a tad paranoid here, first smart phone.
close to 0 unless you really start to do some really wrong things
Its tough to be beyond recovery. The only surefire way I've seen is clicking "phone" instead of "pda" in odin. This forum is great and everyone is very helpful. Before flashing a new rom, read a much as possible. You should be fine.
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Its tough to be beyond recovery. The only surefire way I've seen is clicking "phone" instead of "pda" in odin. This forum is great and everyone is very helpful. Before flashing a new rom, read a much as possible. You should be fine.
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ok thanks, is it easy to flash to stock? I saw the way to do it in odin wasn't sure if there is something even easier.
The probability of bricking your phone if inversely proportionate to the amount of reading you do before you flash something!
If you stick to the proven, tested, well documented stuff and read, then re-read, the directions you will be fine.
If this is your first android device, I would strongly encourage reading a lot and a few times before attempting...Fascinate is a bit different from other android devices as well the way the system works...I have had eris, droid, incredible and the x...and with the fascinate still read and re-read everything before attempting. One tiny missed step could cause hours of hassle and recovery time...
Just to give you some directions...here are good threads to read:
-ROOT, Recovery, Update and More...
-How to flash Voodoo Kernels and more...
Also, don't be afraid to ask questions... it's always better to ask, then mess something up.
What are you trying to do?
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If this is your first android device, I would strongly encourage reading a lot and a few times before attempting...Fascinate is a bit different from other android devices as well the way the system works...I have had eris, droid, incredible and the x...and with the fascinate still read and re-read everything before attempting. One tiny missed step could cause hours of hassle and recovery time...
Just to give you some directions...here are good threads to read:
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Also, don't be afraid to ask questions... it's always better to ask, then mess something up.
What are you trying to do?
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I want to root the phone to get rid of annoying bing and install the wireless tethering app. Then I wanted to install voodoo to hopefully fix the lag which I sometimes get. I'm just concerned about the ease of reverting to stock. I am kinda interested in custom roms or themes but not entirely sure of the benefits of the roms or the safety of installing either.
On a side note dang how did you afford all the phones or did you just trade them up as you went?
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I want to root the phone to get rid of annoying bing and install the wireless tethering app. Then I wanted to install voodoo to hopefully fix the lag which I sometimes get. I'm just concerned about the ease of reverting to stock. I am kinda interested in custom roms or themes but not entirely sure of the benefits of the roms or the safety of installing either.
On a side note dang how did you afford all the phones or did you just trade them up as you went?
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I have 3 lines with vzw, so I do have updates once in a while
My eris, I had less than 30 days and traded it in for droid...then sold droid on ebay and bought the incredible....then returned the incredible within 60 days because of bad battery and poor call quality....then got the x...well the x was just too big, so i returned it and bought an incredible off ebay... that one was actually perfect...and finally got the fascinate with one of line upgrades...and sold incredible .....that's quite a history now that I look at it
As far as mods, follow the links I posted above...on the voodoo one, definitely read and re-read to make sure you understand and won't miss steps. If anything, you can always restore back to stock using odin...although hoping you will not end up to need it.
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I have 3 lines with vzw, so I do have updates once in a while
My eris, I had less than 30 days and traded it in for droid...then sold droid on ebay and bought the incredible....then returned the incredible within 60 days because of bad battery and poor call quality....then got the x...well the x was just too big, so i returned it and bought an incredible off ebay... that one was actually perfect...and finally got the fascinate with one of line upgrades...and sold incredible .....that's quite a history now that I look at it
As far as mods, follow the links I posted above...on the voodoo one, definitely read and re-read to make sure you understand and won't miss steps. If anything, you can always restore back to stock using odin...although hoping you will not end up to need it.
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I went from eris to droid to fascinate. I took a gamble on ebay by starting the bid on a fascinate at $175. I won it for the initial bid and sold my droid on craigslist for $200 so I actually made money getting a better phone. Win.
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I have 3 lines with vzw, so I do have updates once in a while
My eris, I had less than 30 days and traded it in for droid...then sold droid on ebay and bought the incredible....then returned the incredible within 60 days because of bad battery and poor call quality....then got the x...well the x was just too big, so i returned it and bought an incredible off ebay... that one was actually perfect...and finally got the fascinate with one of line upgrades...and sold incredible .....that's quite a history now that I look at it
As far as mods, follow the links I posted above...on the voodoo one, definitely read and re-read to make sure you understand and won't miss steps. If anything, you can always restore back to stock using odin...although hoping you will not end up to need it.
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Ah alright, yeah the plan is to not need it unless I have to take the phone in for some reason xD. Right now I just realized I'm not sure how to get this damn hard case I bought off the phone... anyway is odin the only way to unroot?
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I went from eris to droid to fascinate. I took a gamble on ebay by starting the bid on a fascinate at $175. I won it for the initial bid and sold my droid on craigslist for $200 so I actually made money getting a better phone. Win.
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That does sound like a win!!!! I sold my incredible for like $360 and got fascinate for $199...not bad either
If your worried about bricking your phone your good. Its when people think they know what they are doing, that's when you mess **** up. Just remember PDA not PHONE when using Odin... PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA PDA.... NOT PHONE....
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I have a virgin mobile intercept.. second one due to bricking my first one.
I was woundering what the safest way would be to root the phone. I mainly want better performance.. not really worried about anything else.
Hopefully someone could tell me what the safest and most stable kernel and recovery would be. I've been reading up a lot but still confused about what to pick out and what method to use to flash the kernel and recovery.
Thanks all.
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It is somewhat laughable all of these wannabe phone modders who brick their phones, then run right back to the retailer where they bought the phone and cry so that they get a new one, then go right back to attempting to brick their phone again.
Hey, here's a thought ....if you brick your phone while attempting to mod it ....its yours...live with it. Don't run back to the retailer like a baby, rather, attempt to unbrick the phone yourself. Maybe then you'll learn something, because lord knows you're not learning modding, 'responsibility' (or anything else) this way.
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It is somewhat laughable all of these wannabe phone modders who brick their phones, then run right back to the retailer where they bought the phone and cry so that they get a new one, then go right back to attempting to brick their phone again.
Hey, here's a thought ....if you brick your phone while attempting to mod it ....its yours...live with it. Don't run back to the retailer like a baby, rather, attempt to unbrick the phone yourself. Maybe then you'll learn something, because lord knows you're not learning modding, 'responsibility' (or anything else) this way.
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dude you need to chill out, not everybody is technologically inclined. everybody messes up at one point in time, im sure you have. so how about instead of saying stupid **** you actually try to help people....hmmmm? how about that?
Lol, he's just the forum douchbag, and of course I'm going to get a new one if I'm under warranty. Far from technologically inclined, of done a lit, just didn't take my time. There's a reason I don't use XDA, the community seems to be filled with smart ass hot heads that don't care to help. Could of at least pointed me in the right direction then sit there and call me a... baby..? Lol.. amusing at the least.
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I would recommend
You head over to the dev section - there are a bunch of different ways to root this phone - i personally used the data cable method for my phone and the apk for my girlfriends phone - both have resorted in perma root.
Since you have bricked this device before when attempting to mod it - i recommend you don't worry about custom rom/recovery right away - focus on getting the device rooted and removing some of the annoying bloat with a tool like Root Toolbox or Titanium Backup.
Hope that helps a little. Let me know if I can be of further use.
Search "Samsung Intercept Root sdx" and look for the one about an apk. Worked flawlessly.
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I am not as blunt as "old_dude" but I agree completely with his point. When I bricked my first droid, which was a LG Optimus. I spent about 40 hrs at the computer fixing it. But I got it back to perfect working condition. I learned more about "Android" in those 40 hrs than I can describe. Not to mention the pride of fixing something most can't. So if you want to be any kind of Droid person fix it your self. Also alerting retailers to the fact you are trying to root your phone is pretty dumb. Even if you think they don't know, the phone you turned in has a log that lists everything you did from the moment you first turned it on!
I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
VaKo said:
I have mine setup the way I want it, and AFAIK there is no way of rooting without wiping during the unlock process. So until then, I will have to live without the ability to change the main font. Which is a shame, but meh.
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True, that's unappealing...just when it's perfect you have to wipe and then you have to set it up again. I used to worry more about that but now that I've had to set-up again about 5 or 6 times I've become a master at doing it quickly and better than before. I totally love having root...wouldn't do it any other way.
I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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I just don't see too much of a need until we get some source code and custom roms.
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undervolting each freq by 125mV is way to good to pass up
no way would I ever use stock
It's just not the right time. I wait until a "real" custom rom comes out.
What for? I can use my SD card if I need to. Which I don't. Got 3.2 a couple of days ago. If I want to play with roms and overclocking I have my phone rooted. But for now I don't need it.
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Really?
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I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
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How about people that want to get movies from the Android Market but you can't if you are rooted. That's not fear, that's not wanting to loose features. That's just one example, I am sure there are plenty of others. So maybe you shouldn't be a self-righteous pr*k and realize there may be reasons beyond your comprehension.
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Good point. Any more reasons?
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For all the positive posts on this forum, and how helpful the "experts" are for us neophytes, this post is a huge fail. I'm not sure I could state the value of why it is even here........
Am I pissed I paid $500 for a computer that doesn't do what it claims? Yes. Am I pissed the salesperson sold me a bill of goods? Yes. Am I pissed I didn't have the chance to understand what I was reading about the unit and bought it anyhow? Yes.
Am I afraid to brick my device? Yes. Am I worrying when I read a full page of "if you do this" on the screen, while rooting, I lose my warranty and evil will come to my door? Yes. Am I afraid, while knowing the instructions provided on this forum are pretty darn good, that I might miss something and cause the end of life as we know it on this planet? [ or, at least having to explain to my wife why our $500 paperweight needs dusted off ]. Yes.
So, I'm in. I've used what I've learned here and taken the risk, however small you may think it is. But I'm 50, not 20. I'm considered a "nerd" in my circle of friends, but I can't carry the water for most of you guys. So, yes, I'm a bit worried about killing it. So what?
And unless you're better than I think you are (and I have no doubt you're pretty darn good - seriously), in computers there is no such thing as 100%.
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
I Agree
I cannot imagine using any of my android devices without at least su file capabilities
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It's here so that we can understand why people won't root their Xoom. Getting some good answers.
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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Give me one good reason I should.
While rooting would give me some slight benefit, the juice is simply not worth the squeeze. I am happy with what Ive got and have seen no compelling reason why I should go through the trouble since SD support isnt even an incentive anymore and it was the only thing I was lacking.
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This is great because it says that people love the Xoom right out of the box, or fresh from the stock update.
As I said, having experienced both, I will choose the ability to truly customize to my hearts content. But for those who are happy with plain vanilla, enjoy!
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I dare say people don't root because they are happy as they are, while those of us who enjoy using all of our devices are dumbstruck by people not doing so.
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+1 I have no reason to root.
the speed, battery life, etc. etc. are all fine for what I use it for - nothing heavy - just a replacement for browsing the web and a few games like angry birds
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there's no real custom roms out that give you any benefit to flashing a new rom, and I am on 3.2 - not even put an sdcard in the xoom yet.
all movies/tv shows are streamed direct to TV or to Xoom via Plex, so i dont need extra space to store movies,
I only have the wifi version so i dont need space for travelling around with 3g.
the only time I may need more space and thus an sdcard would be if i go on holiday and want to take a few films on the sd - but even in a readonly state i can do that by loading films onto an sd and sticking it in now...
my only grief was that motorola were taking an aeon to push out any updates to the UK image I had on - but flashing the US fixed that and I decided I dont need to go any further down the rooting process... I'm happy - surely that's the best way to be
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Your answer to my post, leads me to believe I missed the point and tone of your OP. I took quite a bit of attitude, perhaps mistakenly. If so, accept my apologies please.
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I was basically trying to get some conversations started as to why and why not to root the WiFi xoom so people on this forum understand where the other team is coming from. Thought this thread title and my choice of words would draw some good debate. And it would keep the debate here and not all over the forum.
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I get what people are saying here, if you're happy with what you've got then by all means you should stick to it. No-one should be telling you what to like.
However, I do support the OP. If you are NOT happy with what you've got but there is a fix for it, why not just apply the fix instead of complaining?
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I keep reading post after post about how pissed off someone is that they don't have SD support, and now that they have it with the 3.2 update, they are pissed that they have to hook it up to their computer to write to it.
My question to them is this:
If you can root your Xoom, put a custom kernel on it and have full access to your sd card, then take it back to stock if you need to send it back to Motorola, why don't you stop being a baby and just do it?
I mean, you care enough to complain on this forum so that we all have to read about how upset you are, but you are unwilling to follow the simple steps spelled out here to fix it?
Today I had an epiphany . I figured it out. It's not that they feel that they shouldn't have to; they just don't want to admit the true reason. These people are afraid to root their Xoom. If they weren't afraid, then they would be rooted already and moving on with their lives, instead of complaining on this forum and getting all upset about it.
I mean, it's 100% fixable. There is no other logical explanation.
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I for one am too new to Android to root my Xoom. I have a G2x phone. It has a one step Root method and a one step Recovery method. I'm ok with that. But looking at all the ABD steps and the instructions on how to make them work....I feel its too complicated for a limited return at this time.
If someone put together the Bible of rooting the Xoom, that does NOT begin with , " This assumes you have an understanding of xxx", then maybe I would...
I took the Xoom out of the box...I want to Root, do this, then this, then this. Include what needs to be installed, what to type, etc, etc.
If that sounds whiney...so what, you asked.
Without root it beats the purpose of checking in every day. I used to check XDA multiple times a day. Now I check it every other day and there's always nothing interesting. If we had ROOT man it'll be different. Miss downloading flashing roms. Waiting for new updates with new features. I miss ROMS but without an unlocked bootloader this phone is F'ed. Locked down till lord knows when. Seriously thinking about buying another galaxy. I sold my note 4. Should of kept it lol
¡what a day, what a LOVELY DAY!!
I feel your frustration, but have to say one thing here. I've been using Android since the G1, I've rooted every device I've owned (too numerous to list) until now. The GS7E is really quite amazing, even without root. I had planned on leaving it stock as long as I could tolerate it anyways, so I was not entirely crushed to learn it was locked down so tightly. I mean, had root been a requirement for me, I'd have gone with a Nexus - where bootloader unlock is a right, not a gift.
I do miss proper hosts based ad blocking, but Samsung/Android Pay make up for the shortcomings of root-free ad blocking. The ability to change dpi without root (although it breaks Android Pay, but a quick reboot sets that right) and the AOSP like appearance of the Good lock screen helps me not miss Xposed. And the fact that things simply work, without the additional burden of wondering if it was something I flashed causing weirdness on my device, means I can spend more time playing with my phone... and less time backing up, flashing, restoring, adb'ing, fastbooting, installing/updating drivers, and debugging.
Would I have it the other way around? Certainly, but either way is a compromise, and there is no going back. So, perhaps it's good (for me) that we don't have root. Or, I might already be missing Samsung/Android Pay, and the stability of the stock rom.
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I feel your frustration, but have to say one thing here. I've been using Android since the G1, I've rooted every device I've owned (too numerous to list) until now. The GS7E is really quite amazing, even without root. I had planned on leaving it stock as long as I could tolerate it anyways, so I was not entirely crushed to learn it was locked down so tightly. I mean, had root been a requirement for me, I'd have gone with a Nexus - where bootloader unlock is a right, not a gift.
I do miss proper hosts based ad blocking, but Samsung/Android Pay make up for the shortcomings of root-free ad blocking. The ability to change dpi without root (although it breaks Android Pay, but a quick reboot sets that right) and the AOSP like appearance of the Good lock screen helps me not miss Xposed. And the fact that things simply work, without the additional burden of wondering if it was something I flashed causing weirdness on my device, means I can spend more time playing with my phone... and less time backing up, flashing, restoring, adb'ing, fastbooting, installing/updating drivers, and debugging.
Would I have it the other way around? Certainly, but either way is a compromise, and there is no going back. So, perhaps it's good (for me) that we don't have root. Or, I might already be missing Samsung/Android Pay, and the stability of the stock rom.
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That's cool bro, but like you I like the s7 edge. But being XDA I miss coming here to look for roms and being exited about getting an update. Yea I can customize it how I want it. Yes there no YouTube adds with RED. but being XDA that's just what I miss lol. Should probably just delete the app. Not like I'm going anywhere with this phone. Still believe rooting isn't a necessity with the galaxy s7 edge. I can't use Samsung pay so I could care less .
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I would like root mainly for adaway. Other than that I don't need to do anything. I honestly don't have time for the flashing game anymore.
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i want root for viper4android and changing mixerpaths file its just not loud or clear enough without those 2 things
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I would like root mainly for adaway. Other than that I don't need to do anything. I honestly don't have time for the flashing game anymore.
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Plus one. And for viper4android . Other wise this phone is perfect and I love samsung pay
sonkameja said:
Mods are even more useless letting skinomi threads fly in general discussion area, and deleting comments
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I could not disagree more. Mods are even more important in device forums where there is no active development, as the entire device forum becomes a pissing contest where everyone who doesn't have anything to contribute just argue with each other - making it even harder to find what useful information there is.
I appreciate the work mods do here due to the fact that the mods here are volunteers who don't get paid (with anything but insults from people like you apparently).
So if you are mad at the mods for removing something you posted, perhaps you should read the forum rules to understand why your post was removed. That and take it to PM, instead of *crapping on all mods in a public post.
I upgraded to this from a note 3 and I'm devastated to learn the bootloader is locked. I'm tempted to return the device or sell it after its payed off. We should make a group that shows interest in not locking the bootloader of the Note 6 do when it's released at least there was a movement.
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nano303 said:
Without root it beats the purpose of checking in every day. I used to check XDA multiple times a day. Now I check it every other day and there's always nothing interesting. If we had ROOT man it'll be different. Miss downloading flashing roms. Waiting for new updates with new features. I miss ROMS but without an unlocked bootloader this phone is F'ed. Locked down till lord knows when. Seriously thinking about buying another galaxy. I sold my note 4. Should of kept it lol
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Yep. Getting my s5 back. Im sick of no root. Battery draining. Im sick sick of it
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I think without root I have become a more productive person with life in general
I just want root so I can delete the unwanted apps and for cyanogen roms.
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the reason we don't have root is simple... no one is working on it.
anyone capable of actually doing it has already been hired by the people who don't want you to do it
After using this device for a month or so I really don't care about root. Yes I would like adaway and Viper but all in all I would make the same choice all over again.
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htc 10 all the way, rooted
matteosaeed said:
htc 10 all the way, rooted
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Lol
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matteosaeed said:
htc 10 all the way, rooted
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Screen is too small and the quality is garbage compared to OLED, otherwise I'd agree.
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Is there anyone actively working on root that I can get with? I haven't been in the dev game for a long time, but browsing the web without adaway is getting ridiculous
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Screen is too small and the quality is garbage compared to OLED, otherwise I'd agree.
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It is not that small bigger than the s7 that I had. The oled and amoled is great but it feels more fluid on the HTC with this LCD. Rooted and custom ROM, that beats the s7 and edge any day of the week. Battery is going great now. I am at 51 percent with 3 hours sot unplugged since 8 this morning and now it is almost 8.
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It is not that small bigger than the s7 that I had. The oled and amoled is great but it feels more fluid on the HTC with this LCD. Rooted and custom ROM, that beats the s7 and edge any day of the week. Battery is going great now. I am at 51 percent with 3 hours sot unplugged since 8 this morning and now it is almost 8.
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Sorry no offense but who cares.
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