FireTV 2 gave up its Digital Optical output in favor of a MicroSD card slot. This means legacy equipment equipment without HDMI inputs are not supported. Further if you have a AV device that does accept HDMI input but DOES NOT have Dolby Digital Plus Decoding, Neflix will be silent as its sound is DD+. You can downcode it Stereo in Netflix settings but no more 5.1 Surround.
The good news is that NEW Roku now has a Digital Optical output. Roku lost a lot customers last year to FireTV over this issue. Now Amazon has shot themselves in the foot and sending them, at least me, back to Roku.
Totally agree, one of the negative things in this new FireTV 2nd Gen., is the lack of Digital Optical output in favor of a MicroSD card slot.
But maybe we could use the following Audio Adapter/Audio Extractor :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RQ41KK2/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2BUXD0L1W5AKG
I personally have not tested this adapter, so I am not sure if it is compatible or not with the HDMI Output of the new FireTV units !
Others things that Amazon should have updated in this new FireTV (2nd Gen) are :
- USB 3.0, instead of only USB 2.0.
– Gigabit Ethernet, instead of Only 100mbit ethernet.
– HDMI 2.0, because Only HDMI 2.0 can pass 60Hz for 4k, and the New FireTV only comes with HDMI 1.4 that can only passes 4k at 30Hz.
- 4K at 60fps (not only 4K at 30fps), but it will need to have the HDMI 2.0
- More Memory internal memory 3-4GB instead of the current 2GB, and 16-32GB of storage memory instead of the current 8GB.
- NTFS support for external storage, instead of only FAT32.
However, I must say in favor of the FireTV, that although the Nvidia Shield already have some of the above features, is also true that it cost twice than the fireTV US$200.00 !
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Totally agree, one of the negative things in this new FireTV 2nd Gen., is the lack of Digital Optical output in favor of a MicroSD card slot.
But maybe we could use the following Audio Adapter/Audio Extractor :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RQ41KK2/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2BUXD0L1W5AKG
I personally have not tested this adapter, so I am not sure if it is compatible or not with the HDMI Output of the new FireTV units !
Others things that Amazon should have updated in this new FireTV (2nd Gen) are :
- USB 3.0, instead of only USB 2.0.
– Gigabit Ethernet, instead of Only 100mbit ethernet.
– HDMI 2.0, because Only HDMI 2.0 can pass 60Hz for 4k, and the New FireTV only comes with HDMI 1.4 that can only passes 4k at 30Hz.
- 4K at 60fps (not only 4K at 30fps), but it will need to have the HDMI 2.0
- More Memory internal memory 3-4GB instead of the current 2GB, and 16-32GB of storage memory instead of the current 8GB.
- NTFS support for external storage, instead of only FAT32.
However, I must say in favor of the FireTV, that although the Nvidia Shield already have some of the above features, is also true that it cost twice than the fireTV US$200.00 !
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I had no idea all those things were lacking. when i heard 4k i had not idea they didnt put hdmi 2.0..... i cant think of any other produt thats been recently released that still runs on hdmi 1.4
ulises.rodriguez said:
Totally agree, one of the negative things in this new FireTV 2nd Gen., is the lack of Digital Optical output in favor of a MicroSD card slot.
But maybe we could use the following Audio Adapter/Audio Extractor :
https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00RQ41KK2/ref=ox_sc_saved_image_2?ie=UTF8&psc=1&smid=A2BUXD0L1W5AKG
I personally have not tested this adapter, so I am not sure if it is compatible or not with the HDMI Output of the new FireTV units !
Others things that Amazon should have updated in this new FireTV (2nd Gen) are :
- USB 3.0, instead of only USB 2.0.
– Gigabit Ethernet, instead of Only 100mbit ethernet.
– HDMI 2.0, because Only HDMI 2.0 can pass 60Hz for 4k, and the New FireTV only comes with HDMI 1.4 that can only passes 4k at 30Hz.
- 4K at 60fps (not only 4K at 30fps), but it will need to have the HDMI 2.0
- More Memory internal memory 3-4GB instead of the current 2GB, and 16-32GB of storage memory instead of the current 8GB.
- NTFS support for external storage, instead of only FAT32.
However, I must say in favor of the FireTV, that although the Nvidia Shield already have some of the above features, is also true that it cost twice than the fireTV US$200.00 !
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The gizmos don't work. DD+ requires either a chip or firmware to decode it. The gizmo's will pass sound but down-code it to stereo. There is a box out there for a few hundred that does do it. I haven't paid any attention to this for a year but Sono's couldn't handle DD= either back then.
I'm kind of thinking Tivo Bolt and ditching DirecTV. Since I'm trapped in the Carolina deluge and bored, I went up into the attic and traced to RG-6 runs to assure I could put an antenna up there. Took up a little mini-TV and it could a get a few stations.
Time to cut the cord. Tivo Bolt does 4K, has Digital Optical, accepts a "cable card" or OTA, and has a I 1TB HD. Their commercial skipping software sounds too good to believe. Downside is $400 but that's less than three months DTV.
schneid, you also could check the following links, where you will find more detailed information and also comparison of the New Fire-TV (2nd Gen) versus the Fire-TV (1st Gen) :
https://developer.amazon.com/public...re-tv/docs/device-and-platform-specifications
http://www.aftvnews.com/amazon-announces-new-fire-tv-with-4k-ultra-hd-and-alexa-voice-control/
http://www.aftvnews.com/benchmark-comparison-of-1st-2nd-generation-fire-tv/
http://www.aftvnews.com/the-new-4k-...-interface-or-4k-apps-and-thats-a-good-thing/
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The gizmos don't work. DD+ requires either a chip or firmware to decode it. The gizmo's will pass sound but down-code it to stereo. There is a box out there for a few hundred that does do it. I haven't paid any attention to this for a year but Sono's couldn't handle DD= either back then.
I'm kind of thinking Tivo Bolt and ditching DirecTV. Since I'm trapped in the Carolina deluge and bored, I went up into the attic and traced to RG-6 runs to assure I could put an antenna up there. Took up a little mini-TV and it could a get a few stations.
Time to cut the cord. Tivo Bolt does 4K, has Digital Optical, accepts a "cable card" or OTA, and has a I 1TB HD. Their commercial skipping software sounds too good to believe. Downside is $400 but that's less than three months DTV.
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I think you may only be partially correct about the "gizmo" referred to by the poster. It claims that it will output AC-3 (DD 5.1), but don't know if it will extract the AC-3 signal from the DD+ signal to pass to optical (I doubt it).
And, even if the FTV2 had SP/DIF output, it would still not be able to do DD+ as this requires at least an HDMI 1.3 connection.
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I think you may only be partially correct about the "gizmo" referred to by the poster. It claims that it will output AC-3 (DD 5.1), but don't know if it will extract the AC-3 signal from the DD+ signal to pass to optical (I doubt it).
And, even if the FTV2 had SP/DIF output, it would still not be able to do DD+ as this requires at least an HDMI 1.3 connection.
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All true. DD+ is HDMI only and requires a chip. I tried one straight-through gizmo that split off an optical feed. and Netflix output stereo. Have an five port HDMI switch with Stereo and Optical outputs. Don't work either, although the Stereo out feeds my whole-house stereo ceiling speaker system, so that was a win. Got the the stuff from Monoprice.
So I'm wondering if the FireTV1 would not be able to do 4k as well?
With HDMI 1.4 and 30fps it should work.
Probably not with h265, but with h264 most likely.
Imho the FireTV2 update is a joke.
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So I'm wondering if the FireTV1 would not be able to do 4k as well?
With HDMI 1.4 and 30fps it should work.
Probably not with h265, but with h264 most likely.
Imho the FireTV2 update is a joke.
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I almost ordered it from Amazon Sunday. Glad I read of some gotchas before I clicked. For me, especially being rooted and not seeing a 4K until widely adopted, I'll stand pat. I's lose more than I'd gain.
I imagine 4k has a lot of moving parts that must move in unison. Too complicated for me.
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The Xoom's HDMI port doesn't support video out without the $129 dock according to cnets review.
No. Really? For real? Well, the inability to support hdmi output doesn't justify $800. =[
Not all of us who has extra bucks to get the speaker dock. What the...? How about the standard dock?
the cnet review reported that they tried it directly from the xoom and couldn't get it to work until they used the $129 dock, so I doubt the regular dock will work unless this is another feature that will be added later.
Taken from the Motorola Xoom Support site:
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XOOM - HDMI
What is the HDMI port for?
You can snap photos and capture videos, then sit back and enjoy them on your home HDTV flat screen. Your tablet’s HDMI port lets you connect it to other HDMI devices.
Note: Xoom offers video playback in 1080p HD but the display is optimized for 720p. Output in 720p via HDMI
HDCP via HDMI
Does the XOOM support HDCP via HDMI?
HDCP allows you to share HD videos to televisions. The XOOM will not support this feature at launch. A future software upgrade will enable this device to support HDCP via HDMI.
HDMI Mirror mode
When using HDMI, the bottom 80 pixels of the display where the navigation keys and notification menu are displayed is not projected on the external display. This is done by design and is not a defect with either the device or the external display.
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YUP all TRUE!!
Had to get that Piece of Loaded Crap to get HDMI out...
But worth it all!! Love the ability to Google Video Chat with another XOOM, got one extra for me sis at New York (next day ship)!!
I really want to get the Xoom for all that its capable of, but every feature that makes it stand out seems to come with the statement..will launch at a later date.
I have a micro hdmi to full hdmi that i use for my xoom and evo to connect ot my 65inch tv. It works great and I love it but in my bed room i have a 30 inch tv and it only has dvi input. So i bought a hdmi to dvi adaptor and was so happy to get it and my luck it doesnt work. The tv doesnt detect the input and says its not active. I got the tv to display the xoom a few times but the tv pops up a box saying Signal test...which is what it does when there is no signal/input. I tried to plug it into my monitor with the dvi adaptor and the screen is blank. Really makes me sad i was so exited. I pluged my evo into the cable with the dvi adaptor and it does work so im not sure why the Xoom is having issues. I also plugged in my laptop into the tv with a full hdmi cable and used the dvi adaptor and it worked perfectly. Not sure if anyone else has the same issues. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Alex
xRepinsSporx said:
I have a micro hdmi to full hdmi that i use for my xoom and evo to connect ot my 65inch tv. It works great and I love it but in my bed room i have a 30 inch tv and it only has dvi input. So i bought a hdmi to dvi adaptor and was so happy to get it and my luck it doesnt work. The tv doesnt detect the input and says its not active. I got the tv to display the xoom a few times but the tv pops up a box saying Signal test...which is what it does when there is no signal/input. I tried to plug it into my monitor with the dvi adaptor and the screen is blank. Really makes me sad i was so exited. I pluged my evo into the cable with the dvi adaptor and it does work so im not sure why the Xoom is having issues. I also plugged in my laptop into the tv with a full hdmi cable and used the dvi adaptor and it worked perfectly. Not sure if anyone else has the same issues. Any help would be appreciated.
Thanks
Alex
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Does that TV display 1080p? The Xoom will mirror itself in 1080P - If that TV cant handle it, it wont display it. Most old school 30 inchers are 720p max
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Does that TV display 1080p? The Xoom will mirror itself in 1080P - If that TV cant handle it, it wont display it. Most old school 30 inchers are 720p max
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really it has to be 1080p. prob no way currently to lower that :/ grr I really need it to work but not at the price of a new tv. Thanks for the help. hopefully someone can get it to work. wish i new more about it.
xRepinsSporx said:
really it has to be 1080p. prob no way currently to lower that :/ grr I really need it to work but not at the price of a new tv. Thanks for the help. hopefully someone can get it to work. wish i new more about it.
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To be honest, if its working fine with the cable on another TV;
then its either the adapter or the TV input - but the most logical explanation, is that the TV cannot display 1080p.
Currently there is no way to scale down the mirroring - maybe in the future tho!
its strange because I can get the tv to show the xoom sometimes but i get that test box floating around even tho i can see the image. so it works kindof. little zoomed in and no way to disable the test feature. Really sucks because that was one of the main reasons I liked the xoom so much. wanted to play my N64 emulator on my tv from my bed lol. Tv was free so cant complain i guess. Just need to save for a newer one.
Pretty sure the output is 720p. It doesn't upscale.. it chops off the bottom to fit 1280x720.
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to connect ot my 65inch tv.
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Is that all
No that's the one in my office. 70 in my living room. 5 inches makes a difference.......that's what she said. Sorry I had to
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Just spent all my money on a HD projector and the xoom so might have to wait for the bedroom TV...wall to small for projector in bedroom so it goes it the media room. Just need a nice media server for it. Haven't found one I like yet
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Ive been trying to do this too and have discovered why its not working. Basically the Xoom does not output the required 5 volts needed to project the signal through the DVI adapter and onto the monitor. The only way around this is to add the 5 volts the best way I can see to do this is to purchase this (or something similar, I'm pretty sure there is a US made equivalent):
http://www.keene.co.uk/electronics/multi.php?mycode=PS1DVI
5V Mini DisplayPort to HDMI Converters
Here is a nice one from Monoprice that also supplies the required 5 volts.
Go to Monoprice.com and search for:
Mini DisplayPort to HDMI Converters
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Mini DisplayPort | to DVI (2 DVI Output) Converter
This video converter lets you connect your Mac or other computer with Mini DisplayPort or Thunderbolt data port to a pair of high-resolution DVI displays!
The MMP-MDMP2D01 converter uses the Mini DisplayPort input standard, which can also be used on computers with the newer Thunderbolt data port. The converter then sends the video output to two DVI+I (digital only) displays at resolutions up to 1920x1080p.
By using HDMI circuitry, the converter supports full HDMI High Speed capabilities, including 225 MHz/2.25 Gbps per channel bandwidth (6.75 Gbps total) and 12-bit per channel (36-bit total) deep color modes. The unit comes complete with a 33" Mini DisplayPort M/M cable and a 5 VDC AC adapter (US and Canadian UL listed).
I bought an HDMI cable today so I can put Netflix onto my TV. I have an older HDTV, from 2004. It's a Panasonic model number pt-47x54j. When I plug my tablet into it, the little Android dude pops up onto the TV and and says 720p? I checked the owners manual and it says that the TV is only capable of 1080i, or 480p and 480i. I plugged my tablet into a more modern HDTV and it works just fine. Crystal Clear. Is there any way that I can get my a500 to work on my Panasonic TV? Attached is a screenshot of my TV's owner's manual on the page where it talks about HDMI inputs. Thanks in advance...
From the best of my knowledge you can't change this.Athens beat solution I could offer is Logitech Google TV.it rocks.and 70.00 amazon.
It can't be changed without hacking the drivers -- and even then micro HDMI is only capable of 720p output. All you can do is use a different TV or an adaptor (probably cheapest, but may lower video quality).
erica_renee said:
From the best of my knowledge you can't change this.Athens beat solution I could offer is Logitech Google TV.it rocks.and 70.00 amazon.
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It can't be changed without hacking the drivers -- and even then micro HDMI is only capable of 720p output. All you can do is use a different TV or an adaptor (probably cheapest, but may lower video quality).
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Thanks. At this point, I'm just using my tablet to watch the movies on. That's good enough for me. Once my TVs start breaking and/or if I get this dream job that I'm currently chasing after, I'm going to get a more modern TV and all of my HDMI cable worries will go away. I put the Netflix App on my phone too. My 3 year old freaking loves it!! He is always asking for my phone to watch cartoons on. It's hilarious. haha
Of course, I'm still going to try to figure this crap out with my current TV. That's the fun part.
haag498 said:
It can't be changed without hacking the drivers -- and even then micro HDMI is only capable of 720p output. All you can do is use a different TV or an adaptor (probably cheapest, but may lower video quality).
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micro HDMI itself is capable of 1080p, but the tablet will only output 1080p if there's a 1080p stream (such as a 1080p movie). Netflix will not do 1080p, though.
Since the Ouya only has Ethernet, AC, USB and HDMI. Will it be possible to connect to a standard TV by RCA connector or by a scart?AV? VGA? Composite?
Hi, so far the Ouya isn't known to produce analog video signals, only digital (via the HDMI out) thus, to use it with a analog tv you would either need a video amplifier (with HDMI in and AV-Out) or a signal convertor.
If you currently don't have one of those then I would suggest buying a HD-TV as the two methods I advised you of would cost at least $100 anyway.
I'm assume you mean composite or component, and RCA stereo audio output. If so, Ouya has only stated HDMI.
As the above said, you would need an digital to analog converter. An amplifier wouldn't help you in this situation. Unfortunately, you'll spend more on the converter than you would the Ouya. Well, maybe you can find an old used FuryHD for $100 to handle video. There are other issues you have to take into account such as will the converter tweak the signal to make sure your TV will accept it is a big one.
I had to go that route when I setup a home theater PC, and my HDTV predated DVI; it only had component HD input, but the HTPC had display port. I got an HDFury2, which just came out, and ran about $250 at the time. That was cheaper than buying a new good quality 55" HDTV.
Hopefully that was helpful.
Thanks for the information guys, look like I will just pick up a cheap Hd TV.
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you have a lot choices depending on the size you want.
Anyone having this issue? It will play around 10-15 secs then it will prompt me this.. Only happening on 4K contents. The problem is I cannot uninstall Netflix as it was embedded on the shield. I already signout, restart the machine but still getting this.
Is the shield TV connected to a HDCP 2.2 compliant HDMI input on your TV?
Also, try another account. I used to have this problem a lot on the built-in Netflix app on my samsung TV, and for some reason changing from my kid's profile to mine playing the exact same thing would work.
I have never seen this on my Shield TV, unless my internet connection drops...
do you think hdmi rated 10.6gb is not enough?
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do you think hdmi rated 10.6gb is not enough?
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I am not sure...
But 10.2Gb/s is hdmi 1.4 / HDCP 1.4...while HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 is 18Gbps.
Did you try the HDMI cable provided with the Shield? This is the one I use and have no problem.
And again, the input used on the TV has to be HDCP 2.2 compliant. On my Samsung TV (2014) for example, only HDMI 3 can do HDMI2.0+HDCP 2.2 (only 30hz), all other inputs are HDMI 2.0 (at 60hz) but non HDCP 2.2 compliant.
What TV brand / model do you have?
MrBungle67 said:
I am not sure...
But 10.2Gb/s is hdmi 1.4 / HDCP 1.4...while HDMI 2.0 / HDCP 2.2 is 18Gbps.
Did you try the HDMI cable provided with the Shield? This is the one I use and have no problem.
And again, the input used on the TV has to be HDCP 2.2 compliant. On my Samsung TV (2014) for example, only HDMI 3 can do HDMI2.0+HDCP 2.2 (only 30hz), all other inputs are HDMI 2.0 (at 60hz) but non HDCP 2.2 compliant.
What TV brand / model do you have?
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I'm sorry it's 10.2gb
Here's my dilemma.. YouTube on shield was set to 2160p played without any issue.. Not a single buffer. Very smooth
I checked the settings on shield it was set to 4K 30hz. Yes I'm using the provided hdmi from shield going to my 4K Sony receiver.
My tv is Vizio 4K 2015 model. At the back of the TV I have 4 HDMI. It was set to hdmi 1 which is 30hz. I tried swapping to HDMI 2 60hz but I'm getting the same problem.
Ill try uninstall updates on Netflix as soon as I get home and keep you posted. Or probably try rooting the hell out of the shield and sideload netflix from play store
ad78 said:
I'm sorry it's 10.2gb
Here's my dilemma.. YouTube on shield was set to 2160p played without any issue.. Not a single buffer. Very smooth
I checked the settings on shield it was set to 4K 30hz. Yes I'm using the provided hdmi from shield going to my 4K Sony receiver.
My tv is Vizio 4K 2015 model. At the back of the TV I have 4 HDMI. It was set to hdmi 1 which is 30hz. I tried swapping to HDMI 2 60hz but I'm getting the same problem.
Ill try uninstall updates on Netflix as soon as I get home and keep you posted. Or probably try rooting the hell out of the shield and sideload netflix from play store
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Here's the deal...youtube doesn't care about content protection, so anyone with a 4k tv can stream 4k content from youtube. HDMI 1.4 will support 4k resolution at 30hz no problem, so no problem with youtube. Netflix however, cares. So streaming Netflix in 4k requires all your involved components (shield TV, receiver, TV) to be HDCP 2.2 compliant (HDCP = High-Bandwidth Digital Content Protection) + HDMI cables supporting the necessary bandwidth for 4k+HDCP2.2 (18Gbps).
4k receivers might have all HDMI inputs HDCP2.2 compliant, some have 1 only, some have none, all depending of how old and how much you paid for it.
If I were you, before uninstalling netflix updates and stuff, I would connect the shield TV directly to the TV (no receiver), and see if the problem persists. From what I read online, if you have a 2015 Vizio M series, only input 5 will do 4k+HDCP 2.2
"Only one HDMI input, Input 5, is compatible with both newfangled HDMI connection protocols, namely HDMI 2.0 and HDCP 2.2 copy protection. The former allows 4K frame rates up to 60Hz, the fastest currently available. The latter allows the TV to accept copy-protected 4K content over HDMI, from devices like the Sony FMP-X10 media player, the Nvidia Shield playing back certain copy-protected content such as Netflix 4K, and forthcoming 4K Blu-Ray content. 2015 4K TVs from Samsung, Sony and LG offer multiple so-equipped inputs.
The other four are version 1.4, meaning they can handle 1080p sources up to 60Hz and 4K sources up to 30Hz. Of those four, only two support HDCP 2.2."
http://www.cnet.com/products/vizio-m-series-2015/2/
I spent hours and hours reading about all that stuff...and this is a huge headache for consumers!!!! To get my system where I want it to be, I'd have to spend $400 on a "Samsung evolution kit" + another $500 on a receiver!! Just because of all that HDCP BS...
Thanks man.. What a good read. I'll try your recommendation for sure.
so i directly inserted the HDMI cable from TV to shield showed all "ultra HD" menu.. i just realized that my 4K sony receiver is not HDCP 2.2 supported. Damn!
definitely, my 4K vizio TV is HDCP 2.2 capable since i can play netflix ultra HD on it.
thanks..
ad78 said:
so i directly inserted the HDMI cable from TV to shield showed all "ultra HD" menu.. i just realized that my 4K sony receiver is not HDCP 2.2 supported. Damn!
definitely, my 4K vizio TV is HDCP 2.2 capable since i can play netflix ultra HD on it.
thanks..
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Yep...As I said 4K is going to be a massive headache for consumers...Netflix, Amazon, 4k bluray players, STBs etc will all require HDCP2.2... Many people are going to buy those new 4k TVs, to soon realize that their receivers, soundbars and other peripherals won't be able to work anymore. It's really a pain considering how much a good receiver costs...
What makes it even more of a BS is that this whole thing is only about content protection and encryption of the video signal to avoid piracy...guess what, it's already been cracked. All the 4k content from Netflix is already available on torrents. Yet we have to spend extra $$$ on hardware for legitimate content we are already paying for. Anyways...
Glad I could help!
good thing i bought the receiver after Nov 1. which is qualified for holiday returns until Jan 15.
thanks again
4k on Shield Tv
Yes having the same problem, Netflix is saying it's the bitrate from the ISP, but have a Roku4 that streaming fine on the same network. Netflix is saying the ISP is singling out the Shield and capping it. Hmm